Extra turn cards: These give you an extra turn, which will draw you 2 cards at the least.
Not running very many lands for 2 reasons. the first is that theres a lot of artifact ramp. the second is that after i hit 2 land drops, the chances of drawing more are fairly high.
Thoughts on the list? are there any cards i missed that should be in here? anything that looks out of place?
Kami is a beast! If you go this route you probably need to pack a few more insta-win combos since people will be drawing a metric ton of hate against you as you are grinding them down. I played a deck very similar to this in a pretty cutthroat group for a while.
You have Basalt Monolith. Add Power Artifact to get infinite mana. Right now that's not too impressive with the deck, but if you add Blue Sun's Zenith, Brain Geyser, and Stroke of Genius it will be. Those three spells were the main way I killed with Kami. While you are at it, Rings of Brighthearth goes infinite with Basalt Monolith too, but it's also a KO with your Planeswalkers.
Mind Over matter with Temple Bell will kill the table with this deck. MOM is usually just seen as a combo piece to go infinite, but if you have some extra cards in your hand you can generate a lot of artifact mana, tap down a threat, pitch an Eldrazi to shuffle your yard if someone Crypts you... it's really versatile.
-Bribery, Control Magic, Body Double.
I know they are amazing, but you are running a combo/control deck. Why do you NEED them? I can't see how it makes your big picture game plan any better. Body Double would stay if you exiled the card it copied like Mimeoplasm, but no dice.
-Archmage Ascension
I tried it too and it does work, but I found that with the grip of cards I drew firing up Ascension I had the cards I needed. With a deck like this, why tutor when you can just draw it? A few tutors are good to grab the combo pieces, but you should be drawing like a champ to get there anyway.
-Coalition Relic
It's the weakest of the mana rocks here.
-Spellbook
I get why it's there, but you have these effects elsewhere and book takes up a potential win condition while doing something that's not ~that~ big of a deal. If you end your turn with ~just~ 7 cards you should be fine anyway. I looked and you have good cards.
-Honden of Seeing Wind
Azami does the same thing for 5 mana, can block in a pinch, can be used immediately, and can be activated at instant speed. Honden is okay, but you can't even copy it to abuse the draw.
By forcing everyone to draw a lot too, you might want to look at more graveyard hate too, but unless you have that to worry about you can just go with aggressive combo.
I'll be curious to see how it goes since mine worked really well and became a huge pain in the ass to play against.
Kami is a beast! If you go this route you probably need to pack a few more insta-win combos since people will be drawing a metric ton of hate against you as you are grinding them down. I played a deck very similar to this in a pretty cutthroat group for a while.
You have Basalt Monolith. Add Power Artifact to get infinite mana. Right now that's not too impressive with the deck, but if you add Blue Sun's Zenith, Brain Geyser, and Stroke of Genius it will be. Those three spells were the main way I killed with Kami. While you are at it, Rings of Brighthearth goes infinite with Basalt Monolith too, but it's also a KO with your Planeswalkers.
Mind Over matter with Temple Bell will kill the table with this deck. MOM is usually just seen as a combo piece to go infinite, but if you have some extra cards in your hand you can generate a lot of artifact mana, tap down a threat, pitch an Eldrazi to shuffle your yard if someone Crypts you... it's really versatile.
MOM seems like it would be great. especially with the huge hands ill be accumulating.
MOM and Power artifact in. Rings seems a little gimicky.... will think about it.
long term plans is great. pretty much a demonic tutor with all this draw.
I had the targeted x draw in here originally, but took them out for other stuff. going back in.
-Bribery, Control Magic, Body Double.
I know they are amazing, but you are running a combo/control deck. Why do you NEED them? I can't see how it makes your big picture game plan any better. Body Double would stay if you exiled the card it copied like Mimeoplasm, but no dice.
None of these have been particularly useful so far. Theyre out.
-Archmage Ascension
I tried it too and it does work, but I found that with the grip of cards I drew firing up Ascension I had the cards I needed. With a deck like this, why tutor when you can just draw it? A few tutors are good to grab the combo pieces, but you should be drawing like a champ to get there anyway.
This has been a weak link. out.
-Coalition Relic
It's the weakest of the mana rocks here.
Im attached to relic. will have to think about it.
-Spellbook
I get why it's there, but you have these effects elsewhere and book takes up a potential win condition while doing something that's not ~that~ big of a deal. If you end your turn with ~just~ 7 cards you should be fine anyway. I looked and you have good cards.
-Honden of Seeing Wind
Azami does the same thing for 5 mana, can block in a pinch, can be used immediately, and can be activated at instant speed. Honden is okay, but you can't even copy it to abuse the draw.
Seems good. Too bad kami isnt a wizard.
By forcing everyone to draw a lot too, you might want to look at more graveyard hate too, but unless you have that to worry about you can just go with aggressive combo.
I'll be curious to see how it goes since mine worked really well and became a huge pain in the ass to play against.
Dont think graveyard hate is necessary, but if i playtest and it looks helpful, will add it.
Rings is gimmicky and of the cards suggested it's the most iffy.
I can't see why Relic would be a hard card to cut, but I know how it is with pet cards If you are going to run Coldsteel Heart, Sky Diamond is the same thing.
You have Reliquary Tower, Venser's Journal, and Library of Leng. That's plenty.
Kami isn't a Wizard, but Teferi, Archmage, and Azami are (...and if you use Metamorph to copy Archmage it's a Wizard too - that counters a spell and comes back copying something else... I love that move. I have countered a Jokulhaups and brought it back as a copy of Jhoira). Considering you were okay running a card that would get you 1 extra card this is just fine. She's much smoother than Honden!
If Graveyard hate isn't necessary I am jealous. I have to dedicate no fewer than 5 cards per deck.
Rings is gimmicky and of the cards suggested it's the most iffy.
I can't see why Relic would be a hard card to cut, but I know how it is with pet cards If you are going to run Coldsteel Heart, Sky Diamond is the same thing.
I was thinking either diamond or a mox. most likely mox diamond or mox opal. I think opal would probably be better, as metalcraft isnt too hard to achieve.
You have Reliquary Tower, Venser's Journal, and Library of Leng. That's plenty.
And tolaria west tutors 1 of those, while fabricate and transmute artifact can tutor both of the others. Got it.
Kami isn't a Wizard, but Teferi, Archmage, and Azami are (...and if you use Metamorph to copy Archmage it's a Wizard too - that counters a spell and comes back copying something else... I love that move. I have countered a Jokulhaups and brought it back as a copy of Jhoira). Considering you were okay running a card that would get you 1 extra card this is just fine. She's much smoother than Honden!
Being able to time the draw and sometimes increase it (with the other wizards) is good. azami's legit (although she could probably draw a little hate)
If Graveyard hate isn't necessary I am jealous. I have to dedicate no fewer than 5 cards per deck.
I havent built this in paper, and am currently just playtesting it in cockatrice. Not a ton of people on there play reanimator.
Even at my local meta, theres one guy who plays half-@$$ed teneb reanimator, thats more of a Rock edh.
Im now completely sold on mind over matter. Was just playing against a rafiq infect deck, that had a lost leonin ready to kill me. Used all of my extra turn cards except time stretch (only had 9 mana) and still couldnt hurt him, as i was barely drawing any lands or artifact mana (even with 4 cards per turn) and didnt have the mana to capsize his stuff (stupid swiftfoot boots). I drew mind over matter, dropped it, discarded cards to get to 10 mana, played time stretch, drew temple bell next turn, won.
Ended up with Kami of the crescent moon.
LIST:
1x Kami of the Crescent Moon
Land (32)
1x Mikokoro, Center of the Sea
1x Mishra's Workshop
1x Reliquary Tower
25x Snow-Covered Island
1x Mouth of Ronom
1x Scrying Sheets
1x Boseiju, Who Shelters All
1x Tolaria West
Instant (21)
1x Stoic Rebuttal
1x Mystical Tutor
1x Spell Crumple
1x Pongify
1x Evacuation
1x Cryptic Command
1x Hinder
1x Capsize
1x Counterspell
1x Force of Will
1x Pact of Negation
1x Mana Drain
1x Brainstorm
1x Arcane Denial
1x Time Stop
1x Dissipate
1x Stifle
1x Trickbind
1x Desertion
1x Commandeer
1x Long Term Plans
1x Blue Sun's Zenith
1x Stroke of Genius
1x Power Artifact
1x Copy Artifact
1x Mind Over Matter
Sorcery (9)
1x Capture of Jingzhou
1x Timetwister
1x Time Spiral
1x Time Reversal
1x Transmute Artifact
1x Fabricate
1x Time Warp
1x Time Stretch
1x Temporal Manipulation
Artifact (17)
1x Temple Bell
1x Iron Maiden
1x Howling Mine
1x Font of Mythos
1x Coldsteel Heart
1x Mox Opal
1x Voltaic Key
1x Mana Vault
1x Mana Crypt
1x Basalt Monolith
1x Grim Monolith
1x Sol Ring
1x Thran Dynamo
1x Black Vise
1x Library of Leng
1x Venser's Journal
1x Everflowing Chalice
1x Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1x Jace Beleren
1x Tezzeret the Seeker
Creature (12)
1x Glen Elendra Archmage
1x Gilded Drake
1x Ethereal Usher
1x Psychosis Crawler
1x Phyrexian Metamorph
1x Consecrated Sphinx
1x Azami, Lady of Scrolls
1x Aeon Chronicler
1x Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
1x Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
1x Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur
1x Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
You win by:
Extra turn cards: These give you an extra turn, which will draw you 2 cards at the least.
Not running very many lands for 2 reasons. the first is that theres a lot of artifact ramp. the second is that after i hit 2 land drops, the chances of drawing more are fairly high.
Thoughts on the list? are there any cards i missed that should be in here? anything that looks out of place?
GRRWHazezon Tamar (Valakut)GRRW
UKami of the Crescent Moon (
Group Hug)UUHeidar, Rimewind Master [Mini-Primer]U
WKemba, Kha Regent (Stax)W
GEzuri, Renegade Leader [Primer]G
You have Basalt Monolith. Add Power Artifact to get infinite mana. Right now that's not too impressive with the deck, but if you add Blue Sun's Zenith, Brain Geyser, and Stroke of Genius it will be. Those three spells were the main way I killed with Kami. While you are at it, Rings of Brighthearth goes infinite with Basalt Monolith too, but it's also a KO with your Planeswalkers.
Mind Over matter with Temple Bell will kill the table with this deck. MOM is usually just seen as a combo piece to go infinite, but if you have some extra cards in your hand you can generate a lot of artifact mana, tap down a threat, pitch an Eldrazi to shuffle your yard if someone Crypts you... it's really versatile.
If I were to make room...
+Power Artifact
+Blue Sun's Zenith
+Stroke of Genius
+Mind Over Matter
+ Long-Term Plans
+ Azami, Lady of the Scrolls
-Bribery, Control Magic, Body Double.
I know they are amazing, but you are running a combo/control deck. Why do you NEED them? I can't see how it makes your big picture game plan any better. Body Double would stay if you exiled the card it copied like Mimeoplasm, but no dice.
-Archmage Ascension
I tried it too and it does work, but I found that with the grip of cards I drew firing up Ascension I had the cards I needed. With a deck like this, why tutor when you can just draw it? A few tutors are good to grab the combo pieces, but you should be drawing like a champ to get there anyway.
-Coalition Relic
It's the weakest of the mana rocks here.
-Spellbook
I get why it's there, but you have these effects elsewhere and book takes up a potential win condition while doing something that's not ~that~ big of a deal. If you end your turn with ~just~ 7 cards you should be fine anyway. I looked and you have good cards.
-Honden of Seeing Wind
Azami does the same thing for 5 mana, can block in a pinch, can be used immediately, and can be activated at instant speed. Honden is okay, but you can't even copy it to abuse the draw.
By forcing everyone to draw a lot too, you might want to look at more graveyard hate too, but unless you have that to worry about you can just go with aggressive combo.
I'll be curious to see how it goes since mine worked really well and became a huge pain in the ass to play against.
WUBRGPauper Battle BoxWUBRG ... and why I am not a fan of Wayne Reynolds' Illustrations.
MOM seems like it would be great. especially with the huge hands ill be accumulating.
MOM and Power artifact in. Rings seems a little gimicky.... will think about it.
long term plans is great. pretty much a demonic tutor with all this draw.
I had the targeted x draw in here originally, but took them out for other stuff. going back in.
None of these have been particularly useful so far. Theyre out.
This has been a weak link. out.
Im attached to relic. will have to think about it.
i guess.... :/ should i run graceful adept?
Seems good. Too bad kami isnt a wizard.
Dont think graveyard hate is necessary, but if i playtest and it looks helpful, will add it.
Will probably be making those chonges. Just playtested 3-player, and ended up with 35 cards in hand (Consecrated sphinx, phyrexian metamorph), psychosis crawler, time reversal, win. its really explosive.
GRRWHazezon Tamar (Valakut)GRRW
UKami of the Crescent Moon (
Group Hug)UUHeidar, Rimewind Master [Mini-Primer]U
WKemba, Kha Regent (Stax)W
GEzuri, Renegade Leader [Primer]G
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=361257
I can't see why Relic would be a hard card to cut, but I know how it is with pet cards If you are going to run Coldsteel Heart, Sky Diamond is the same thing.
You have Reliquary Tower, Venser's Journal, and Library of Leng. That's plenty.
Kami isn't a Wizard, but Teferi, Archmage, and Azami are (...and if you use Metamorph to copy Archmage it's a Wizard too - that counters a spell and comes back copying something else... I love that move. I have countered a Jokulhaups and brought it back as a copy of Jhoira). Considering you were okay running a card that would get you 1 extra card this is just fine. She's much smoother than Honden!
If Graveyard hate isn't necessary I am jealous. I have to dedicate no fewer than 5 cards per deck.
WUBRGPauper Battle BoxWUBRG ... and why I am not a fan of Wayne Reynolds' Illustrations.
There are some good ideas, but im actually attempting to make this competitive. Thanks though.
I was thinking either diamond or a mox. most likely mox diamond or mox opal. I think opal would probably be better, as metalcraft isnt too hard to achieve.
And tolaria west tutors 1 of those, while fabricate and transmute artifact can tutor both of the others. Got it.
Being able to time the draw and sometimes increase it (with the other wizards) is good. azami's legit (although she could probably draw a little hate)
I havent built this in paper, and am currently just playtesting it in cockatrice. Not a ton of people on there play reanimator.
Even at my local meta, theres one guy who plays half-@$$ed teneb reanimator, thats more of a Rock edh.
Im now completely sold on mind over matter. Was just playing against a rafiq infect deck, that had a lost leonin ready to kill me. Used all of my extra turn cards except time stretch (only had 9 mana) and still couldnt hurt him, as i was barely drawing any lands or artifact mana (even with 4 cards per turn) and didnt have the mana to capsize his stuff (stupid swiftfoot boots). I drew mind over matter, dropped it, discarded cards to get to 10 mana, played time stretch, drew temple bell next turn, won.
Im also adding ethereal usher, since it makes aeon chronicler and psychosis crawler unblockable, and tutors for relevant things like MOM and consecrated sphinx. Also plagiarize. take advantage of giving my opponents draws?
-coalition relic
-viseling (never did enough for his cost)
+mox opal
+ethereal usher
Thanks for the help.
GRRWHazezon Tamar (Valakut)GRRW
UKami of the Crescent Moon (
Group Hug)UUHeidar, Rimewind Master [Mini-Primer]U
WKemba, Kha Regent (Stax)W
GEzuri, Renegade Leader [Primer]G