I too wrestled with this issue and have decided to go with the judge promo for the reason you mention. As much as I like old foils, in this case I think the deck would look better as a whole by going judge. Consistency wins the day. ;-)
I support the Judge Foil decision. The DCI logo looks so awesome on the lands and i haven't looked back after getting them all.
I have had my Cromat deck for a few months, but I never got around to scanning it until now. Most of my card choices are for aesthetic reasons. I have mainly Revised dual lands and some (2) Unlimited ones. Once I get around to it, I will probably upgrade to Beta's. Other than that and new releases, the deck is pretty much done. Double sleeved in KMC Perfect Size inners with KMC Super Blue outer sleeves.
Without further ado:
General and engine creatures: Mana and recursion creatures: Removal creatures: Blink, token, counter and draw creatures: Non Wild Pair creatures and mana artifacts: Wild Pair and engine cards: Tutors and library manipulation: Hand recursion and miscellany: Basic land: Dual lands: Shock lands: Fetch lands: Other lands:
Let me know what you think. It took me about 18 months to put this all together. Now that it's done, I feel like I need to put another one together. Maybe I'll do Ith next...
how does spawning pit work with wild pair? is it just a sac outlet?
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:symr::symg:Burning Elf Ball:symg::symr:
EDH
:symg:Omnath, The big green mana machine:snow:
:symr:Ashling:snow: 1v1 non-french
:symuw::symru::symrb::symgb::symgw:Pauper Child:symwr::symbw::symub::symgu::symrg:
:symg:Ruric Thar, 6 TO THE FACE!!:gruul:
Under Construction
:symu:Lord of Tressurehorn:symbr: Grixis Control
:symbr:Olivia Voldaren:rakdos: Almost mono black Control
:symbu::symbg::symgu:Progenitus:symwr: 5 Color Stompy Toolbox
how does spawning pit work with wild pair? is it just a sac outlet?
Wild Pair triggers whenever you put a creature into play. So, anytime you activate the Pit's second ability, you get to dig up a free 2/2 creature from your deck. Seems pretty good to me...
EDIT: DOH! Shoulda read it closer. "...if you cast it from your hand..."
Wild Pair triggers whenever you put a creature into play. So, anytime you activate the Pit's second ability, you get to dig up a free 2/2 creature from your deck. Seems pretty good to me...
EDIT: DOH! Shoulda read it closer. "...if you cast it from your hand..."
Guess it's just a sac outlet.
that's what i thought. i don't dislike the card, i just think there might be a better sac outlet around the same mana cost.
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:symr::symg:Burning Elf Ball:symg::symr:
EDH
:symg:Omnath, The big green mana machine:snow:
:symr:Ashling:snow: 1v1 non-french
:symuw::symru::symrb::symgb::symgw:Pauper Child:symwr::symbw::symub::symgu::symrg:
:symg:Ruric Thar, 6 TO THE FACE!!:gruul:
Under Construction
:symu:Lord of Tressurehorn:symbr: Grixis Control
:symbr:Olivia Voldaren:rakdos: Almost mono black Control
:symbu::symbg::symgu:Progenitus:symwr: 5 Color Stompy Toolbox
why do i see mostly English foils not Japanese Korean or Russian, please post some of those to many common foils.
A lot of sticky situations come up when playing EDH, and having the exact text available on the card is a big help in figuring things out. EDH is also still a casual format where some people are just getting started with MtG. It's a pain to explain card effects when you can just hand the card over and let them read it for themselves.
Spawning Pit works with Wild Pair by being part of a mechanism to recycle my creature cards. It allows my creatures to dodge removal and provide me with an upside. By getting my creatures into the graveyard, I can then use Haunted Crossroads, Reito Lantern, or Soldevi Digger to get them back in the deck, ready for Wild Pair to pull them out again when I need them. It gives me a way to repeatably get creatures from play into my library, albeit via the graveyard, so I can reuse their abilities from play.
Beyond that, I wanted a sac outlet that was non-threatening. Nobody really bats an eye when I play it. It is an inefficient way to get token creatures, and that's not what I really use it for. The tokens that I do get from it are useful for holding down the fort, but beyond that, they are rather inconsequential. Compared to Altar of Dementia, it's innocuous. People don't like getting milled and I would rather avoid the times where it is a help to the enemy. It also provides me a sac outlet that is not concerned at all with targets in case player-shroud is a factor.
@amppyou,
Having the readily available and readable text in front of me when a rules discussion arises, and it usually does, is one of the bigger reasons I advocate against foreign language cards. This is especially problematic in the college/rotating playing groups where players not familiar with me or my decks would have to have everything explained over and over again....Kinda like Saito and Jace....
Here's the current state of Razia, I'm trying to make it a bit more competitive so I haven't picked up many of the foils in fear of cutting them, but once my list settles down a bit more I'll aggressively go after foils once again.
Some thoughts, I can't believe how hard it was to find a foil coalition relic. It actually feels like none exist right now. I've been checking online stores for a while now and I don't think I've seen any in stock these past couple of months. Even ABU is out, which is surprising. Other things I think are worth mentioning, is that there are a ton of non foil basics which I do hope to change soon and I'm not sure what to do about the fetches. Like you guys I really want consistency, but since I already have an old border bloodstained mire I can't really justify spending money on a new border one, also it's signed.
Oh, I realized that my Rafiq deck looks non-trivially different from the one I posted earlier in the thread, there are a lot more foils in it now so I think I should scan that deck in sometime soon.
@windfall: what is the card to the right of orims thunder?
Yup like the two posts before me said, it's a hedge-mage. The best part about this card is that both abilities are may abilities, thus I can avoid blowing up my own stuff, but it's really rare that I don't have two things to blow up. My playgroup tends to run quite a few offensive artifacts and enchantments. There's even one deck that likes to drag things out with eye of the storm and hive mind...
Oeehhh. Asian Foil Karmic Guide. I hope you have it for some time, otherwise that would have cost you a fortune
I believe I've had it for a little over a year now since the firrst time I posted it was in December 09. And they do cost quite a bit of a fortune when you can find one. I saw one end on ebay yesterday at like 105, which still isn't as much as a foil jtms these days, but for a card that is played in significantly less formats, it's quite a lot. Also I think that even english foil ones are getting up there in price. ABU had 2 a little while ago and are now out. Don't think I've seen it available at any other store recently.
I believe I've had it for a little over a year now since the firrst time I posted it was in December 09. And they do cost quite a bit of a fortune when you can find one. I saw one end on ebay yesterday at like 105, which still isn't as much as a foil jtms these days, but for a card that is played in significantly less formats, it's quite a lot. Also I think that even english foil ones are getting up there in price. ABU had 2 a little while ago and are now out. Don't think I've seen it available at any other store recently.
i recently came into good fortune! the friend of a friend decided to get rid of all his wordly possessions to minimize his carbon footprint. That guy gave my friend his entire collection, which just happened to have a foil Karmic Guide in it. Luckily, my friend doesn't care for foils, and is going to trade it for me for random stuff he needs to complete his new Karona EDH.
Is that where all the Guides have been hiding? I haven't seen one for sale for quite some time. I bought mine mid-August last year and it was a "buy as soon as you see it" deal. I had been looking for one for almost a year at that point. I thought $50 at the time was a bit steep, but seeing how rarely they pop up, I guess it is somewhat justified.
I saw the panther theme on your mods a while back, love it. It's really cool how it's modded and further personalized. wanted to note some things in your deck and ask about some card choices:
Is that Jitte foil in Sisay foil? The light doens't catch it very well.
no DCI / 2nd beta regrowth for Sisay?
Journey of Discovery > Explosive Vegetation/Skyshroud Claim? I've always found these two to shine a little better.
Coalition Relic seems better than the Masques Rocks to me.
Also, do you like the white border Nightmare / Animate Dead? thought htey kind of stuck out considering some of the other goodies. Also, are you going to be blackbordering some of those duals?
what do you think of Xiahou the One Eyed? i see him in lots of mono black decks lately. I know it takes a few cards to dedicate to engine-ing him, but his upside is pretty good.
also, i also wanted to suggest Relic Crush over Stomp and Howl.
I'm sure that you've considered all this stuff already, just wanted to get your take and throw it out there. your decks are gorgeous, and it's crazy how you've been able to pimp out all of them. I had a lot of trouble just doing one. great work, it'd be awesome to see them in person, but the pics are great quality.
...and it's crazy how you've been able to pimp out all of them. I had a lot of trouble just doing one. great work, it'd be awesome to see them in person, but the pics are great quality.
Yeah I can relate to that. It's taken forever to get Adun Oakenshield fully pimped--and it's still missing a foil Verdant Catacombs and two black border dual lands. So close! Scion of the Ur-Dragon is in the same boat. Close but still missing some stuff (foil fetches and black border duals again...not really going to try too hard--all ten of each is a tall order). Azami might actually be the most complete: just need more foil snow islands. Rubinia is missing quite a bit as is the Thrun voltron I just started. They're still pretty slick though.
I'd love to get some alters of non-foil cards. I'm just a little nervous about having mine done or buying one and being disappointed. ;-)
I recently completed pimping my X-D deck, does anyone have any suggestions as to what the best format of taking photo's is to post / how?
Sure. If you have a scanner, great. If not, just have a steady hand and good angle with a camera. Get a bunch of good quality jpeg images, probably shrink them a bit, and attach them to a post here to share the glory.
Also a good idea to wrap the images in spoiler tags. Saves load times and helps you present your cards in a logical fashion.
Its not huge but its a work in progress, My Maga Deck:
Main Deck, all cards spread out are either foil or non foilable originals.
Lower Row is all nonfoils, need to work on this area
All side cards are possible additions/swap outs/sideboard
I love the Artist edited cards throughout the thread. Slowly the deck is getting better looking.
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I support the Judge Foil decision. The DCI logo looks so awesome on the lands and i haven't looked back after getting them all.
how does spawning pit work with wild pair? is it just a sac outlet?
:symr::symg:Burning Elf Ball:symg::symr:
EDH
:symg:Omnath, The big green mana machine:snow:
:symr:Ashling:snow: 1v1 non-french
:symuw::symru::symrb::symgb::symgw:Pauper Child:symwr::symbw::symub::symgu::symrg:
:symg:Ruric Thar, 6 TO THE FACE!!:gruul:
Under Construction
:symu:Lord of Tressurehorn:symbr: Grixis Control
:symbr:Olivia Voldaren:rakdos: Almost mono black Control
:symbu::symbg::symgu:Progenitus:symwr: 5 Color Stompy Toolbox
Wild Pair triggers whenever you put a creature into play. So, anytime you activate the Pit's second ability, you get to dig up a free 2/2 creature from your deck. Seems pretty good to me...EDIT: DOH! Shoulda read it closer. "...if you cast it from your hand..."
Guess it's just a sac outlet.
Yeva (88/92 foils)
Raff
Scarab
Rakdos
Wort ($50 budget, 94/97 foils)
Trostani
that's what i thought. i don't dislike the card, i just think there might be a better sac outlet around the same mana cost.
:symr::symg:Burning Elf Ball:symg::symr:
EDH
:symg:Omnath, The big green mana machine:snow:
:symr:Ashling:snow: 1v1 non-french
:symuw::symru::symrb::symgb::symgw:Pauper Child:symwr::symbw::symub::symgu::symrg:
:symg:Ruric Thar, 6 TO THE FACE!!:gruul:
Under Construction
:symu:Lord of Tressurehorn:symbr: Grixis Control
:symbr:Olivia Voldaren:rakdos: Almost mono black Control
:symbu::symbg::symgu:Progenitus:symwr: 5 Color Stompy Toolbox
A lot of sticky situations come up when playing EDH, and having the exact text available on the card is a big help in figuring things out. EDH is also still a casual format where some people are just getting started with MtG. It's a pain to explain card effects when you can just hand the card over and let them read it for themselves.
Beyond that, I wanted a sac outlet that was non-threatening. Nobody really bats an eye when I play it. It is an inefficient way to get token creatures, and that's not what I really use it for. The tokens that I do get from it are useful for holding down the fort, but beyond that, they are rather inconsequential. Compared to Altar of Dementia, it's innocuous. People don't like getting milled and I would rather avoid the times where it is a help to the enemy. It also provides me a sac outlet that is not concerned at all with targets in case player-shroud is a factor.
@amppyou,
Having the readily available and readable text in front of me when a rules discussion arises, and it usually does, is one of the bigger reasons I advocate against foreign language cards. This is especially problematic in the college/rotating playing groups where players not familiar with me or my decks would have to have everything explained over and over again....Kinda like Saito and Jace....
Some thoughts, I can't believe how hard it was to find a foil coalition relic. It actually feels like none exist right now. I've been checking online stores for a while now and I don't think I've seen any in stock these past couple of months. Even ABU is out, which is surprising. Other things I think are worth mentioning, is that there are a ton of non foil basics which I do hope to change soon and I'm not sure what to do about the fetches. Like you guys I really want consistency, but since I already have an old border bloodstained mire I can't really justify spending money on a new border one, also it's signed.
Oh, I realized that my Rafiq deck looks non-trivially different from the one I posted earlier in the thread, there are a lot more foils in it now so I think I should scan that deck in sometime soon.
Sharuum the Hegemon
Mayael the Anima
Wort, Boggart Auntie
Sliver Overlord
Drana Kalastria Bloodchief
99 mountain Ashling
That would be a Japanese Duergar Hedge-Mage Gateway promo.
that's Duergar Hedge Mage, an amazing (up to) 3 for 1 from eventide.
Yup like the two posts before me said, it's a hedge-mage. The best part about this card is that both abilities are may abilities, thus I can avoid blowing up my own stuff, but it's really rare that I don't have two things to blow up. My playgroup tends to run quite a few offensive artifacts and enchantments. There's even one deck that likes to drag things out with eye of the storm and hive mind...
Sharuum the Hegemon
Mayael the Anima
Wort, Boggart Auntie
Sliver Overlord
Drana Kalastria Bloodchief
99 mountain Ashling
i recently came into good fortune! the friend of a friend decided to get rid of all his wordly possessions to minimize his carbon footprint. That guy gave my friend his entire collection, which just happened to have a foil Karmic Guide in it. Luckily, my friend doesn't care for foils, and is going to trade it for me for random stuff he needs to complete his new Karona EDH.
happy as a clam over here =].
BRGKarrthus, Tyrant of Jund
UTeferi, Mage of Zhalfir
UBWZur the Enchanter
WUBRGChild of Alara
WUBRGSliver Queen
Standard:
UW UW Pike
Mtgo Pauper:
U Tempo
Mtgo Block:
RW Aggro
I'm 14, shout-outs to all other young magic players out there!
Quotes:
I still need to do the following,
- Island, + Volcanic Island
- Wheel of Fate, + Wheel of Fortune
- Time Reversal, + Time Spiral
- Control Magic, + Treachery
- Capsize, + Rhystic Study
Other than that, my deck is set. Just working to get more foils.
I recently replaced Brainstorm for Jace, the Mindsculptor
This deck has 49 foils including the General.
Cards needing to go in but don't have.
- Island, +Underground Sea
- Swamp, + Scrubland
- Reshape, + Transmute Artifact
- Sphinx Summoner, + Bitter Ordeal
UG Turbo Land GU
Extended
BRG Jund GRB
EDH
UR Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind RU
WUB Sharuum the Hegemon BUW
B Skittles, the Blight Dragon B
R Bosh, Iron Golem R
WBG Doran, the Siege Tower GBW
WBR Oros, the Avenger RBW
I saw the panther theme on your mods a while back, love it. It's really cool how it's modded and further personalized. wanted to note some things in your deck and ask about some card choices:
Is that Jitte foil in Sisay foil? The light doens't catch it very well.
no DCI / 2nd beta regrowth for Sisay?
Journey of Discovery > Explosive Vegetation/Skyshroud Claim? I've always found these two to shine a little better.
Coalition Relic seems better than the Masques Rocks to me.
Also, do you like the white border Nightmare / Animate Dead? thought htey kind of stuck out considering some of the other goodies. Also, are you going to be blackbordering some of those duals?
what do you think of Xiahou the One Eyed? i see him in lots of mono black decks lately. I know it takes a few cards to dedicate to engine-ing him, but his upside is pretty good.
also, i also wanted to suggest Relic Crush over Stomp and Howl.
I'm sure that you've considered all this stuff already, just wanted to get your take and throw it out there. your decks are gorgeous, and it's crazy how you've been able to pimp out all of them. I had a lot of trouble just doing one. great work, it'd be awesome to see them in person, but the pics are great quality.
Yeah I can relate to that. It's taken forever to get Adun Oakenshield fully pimped--and it's still missing a foil Verdant Catacombs and two black border dual lands. So close! Scion of the Ur-Dragon is in the same boat. Close but still missing some stuff (foil fetches and black border duals again...not really going to try too hard--all ten of each is a tall order). Azami might actually be the most complete: just need more foil snow islands. Rubinia is missing quite a bit as is the Thrun voltron I just started. They're still pretty slick though.
I'd love to get some alters of non-foil cards. I'm just a little nervous about having mine done or buying one and being disappointed. ;-)
I recently completed pimping my X-D deck, does anyone have any suggestions as to what the best format of taking photo's is to post / how?
Sure. If you have a scanner, great. If not, just have a steady hand and good angle with a camera. Get a bunch of good quality jpeg images, probably shrink them a bit, and attach them to a post here to share the glory.
Also a good idea to wrap the images in spoiler tags. Saves load times and helps you present your cards in a logical fashion.
Main Deck, all cards spread out are either foil or non foilable originals.
Lower Row is all nonfoils, need to work on this area
All side cards are possible additions/swap outs/sideboard
I love the Artist edited cards throughout the thread. Slowly the deck is getting better looking.
Maga Traitor to Mortals:symb:Drana Suicidal Control:symb:
:symr:Eron the Relentless Land Muncher:symr:
:symb::symg:Skullbriar's Plants Vs. Zombies :symb::symg:
:symu::symb:Wrexial, The No Win condition :symu::symb:
Always in Search of MBC Foils and Beta/Unlimited...
One-Eyed Black | Orzhov Combo | Ooze Reanimator | Mindwheeling Pain
Hey, black decks look good pimped. What can I say.
Mono-Black Oona, Queen of the Fae
Athreos, God of Passage