I'm not a fan. Usually you'd see the big spells as the very first plays in a turn, at which point this card does nothing. It has a use if you are making the big play on your turn and someone else tries to counter; but you'd be better with counterspell anyways, as its not as limited.
If I was playing a heavy counter deck, this might see inclusion because its a lost costed counter; but any other day I'd go bigger and better.
I'm not a fan. Usually you'd see the big spells as the very first plays in a turn, at which point this card does nothing. It has a use if you are making the big play on your turn and someone else tries to counter; but you'd be better with counterspell anyways, as its not as limited.
If I was playing a heavy counter deck, this might see inclusion because its a lost costed counter; but any other day I'd go bigger and better.
i disagree with this. when i'm playing a counter heavy blue deck, my group will always try to bait the counterspell with the less powerful threat first, hoping i'll blow my counter and they'll get the real threat to resolve. the more powerful threat is almost always cast second.
i'm not saying it's a very strong card, i'd much rather have an unrestricted counter, but i do think it's maybe playable in a counter heavy blue deck.
i disagree with this. when i'm playing a counter heavy blue deck, my group will always try to bait the counterspell with the less powerful threat first, hoping i'll blow my counter and they'll get the real threat to resolve. the more powerful threat is almost always cast second.
i'm not saying it's a very strong card, i'd much rather have an unrestricted counter, but i do think it's maybe playable in a counter heavy blue deck.
This card is worse than the following list of more situational counters which don't even see play in most heavy counter EDH decks. I would add any of these over second guess if you need an extra counter.
Although these only counter specific card types, at least they are consistent. There are so many ways to play around second guess that it is very unreliable.
Have to agree that I almost never see the big spell as the first, have the bait the counterspell out. But also agree that this counter is not nearly as good as a ton others, especially that list Capitacom posted.
I don't think people really understand this card. It's an efficiently costed counterspell that you use to protect whatever it is you played (first spell) from other counterspells (second spell).
I don't think people really understand this card. It's an efficiently costed counterspell that you use to protect whatever it is you played (first spell) from other counterspells (second spell).
Primarily yes, with a very narrow amount of limited extra use.
However, this makes it entirely worse than Dispel, since if they don't counter your first spell, you lose your protection.
Also, usually the bait for counterspells on the first cast has to be worthwhile enough to actually warrant a counterspell, which means teh real threat will be the third spell, not the second.
If the first threat wasn't threatening enough to warrant a counter, then they won't play their bomb second anyways, because your counter mana is still up.
I don't think people really understand this card. It's an efficiently costed counterspell that you use to protect whatever it is you played (first spell) from other counterspells (second spell).
...[Takes second look at card].....Whoa. Dude. That does make the card cooler actually.
This card is awful. As mentioned previously there are TONS of blue situational counters that are better than this. You may as well play Redirect, since that can protect your first spell (change the target of their counter to Redirect) in addition to doing other things.
This card is awful. As mentioned previously there are TONS of blue situational counters that are better than this. You may as well play Redirect, since that can protect your first spell (change the target of their counter to Redirect) in addition to doing other things.
Does that work? Redirect wouldn't be a valid target when you're choosing new targets as it wouldn't be on the stack yet.
Though there are at least 6-8 similarly priced and better counterspells, I'd run it if I was playing ~15-20 of them.
I guess it's one of those cards that seems better at first glance. I think it would be better if it said "counter target spell if it's at least the second spell played this turn". I was thinking that it might be better in a counter heavy deck.
Does that work? Redirect wouldn't be a valid target when you're choosing new targets as it wouldn't be on the stack yet.
Though there are at least 6-8 similarly priced and better counterspells, I'd run it if I was playing ~15-20 of them.
The target of Redirect is target spell. That is the target you choose when redirect is cast. When redirect resolves it is still on the stack, and is a legal choice for redirecting the targeted counterspell. When it finishes resolving, it is placed into the GY, and then the counterspell will be countered for lack of legal target.
Sure. It isn't the best counter and there are many stronger alternatives, but it is a better card than I originally thought.
I would put it among the worst. It has no guarantee of hitting anything you want it to. Instead of being a card in hand to hold off until you see a threat that needs it, it'll be the card in hand you hope someone plays into so you can use it.
Is this counterspell 2.0? or is this good only in certain metas?
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If I was playing a heavy counter deck, this might see inclusion because its a lost costed counter; but any other day I'd go bigger and better.
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The "Second Spell" restriction kills it.
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RNorin the WaryR <-Link! (Primer - Mono Red Control)
GUEdric, Spymaster of TrestUG <- Link! (Mini-Primer - Dredge)
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i disagree with this. when i'm playing a counter heavy blue deck, my group will always try to bait the counterspell with the less powerful threat first, hoping i'll blow my counter and they'll get the real threat to resolve. the more powerful threat is almost always cast second.
i'm not saying it's a very strong card, i'd much rather have an unrestricted counter, but i do think it's maybe playable in a counter heavy blue deck.
This card is worse than the following list of more situational counters which don't even see play in most heavy counter EDH decks. I would add any of these over second guess if you need an extra counter.
Although these only counter specific card types, at least they are consistent. There are so many ways to play around second guess that it is very unreliable.
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EDH Decks:
B Toshiro Umezawa B
W Mikaeus, the Lunarch W
G Azusa, Lost but Seeking G
UB Grimgrin, Corpse-Born BU
BGU The Mimeoplasm UGB
GUW Rubinia Soulsinger WUG
GRB Sek'Kuar, Deathkeeper BRG
Primarily yes, with a very narrow amount of limited extra use.
However, this makes it entirely worse than Dispel, since if they don't counter your first spell, you lose your protection.
Also, usually the bait for counterspells on the first cast has to be worthwhile enough to actually warrant a counterspell, which means teh real threat will be the third spell, not the second.
If the first threat wasn't threatening enough to warrant a counter, then they won't play their bomb second anyways, because your counter mana is still up.
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...[Takes second look at card].....Whoa. Dude. That does make the card cooler actually.
Still not worth a spot though unless you're really hurting for counters. I'd rather have any of the less restrictive spells over Second Guess.
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Does that work? Redirect wouldn't be a valid target when you're choosing new targets as it wouldn't be on the stack yet.
Though there are at least 6-8 similarly priced and better counterspells, I'd run it if I was playing ~15-20 of them.
Kuro, Pitlord - Life Gain/Drain MBC
Malfegor - Discard and Punishment
Ghave, Guru of Spores - Fungus Tribal
building Dralnu, Lichlord - Arcane Draw-Go
You Redirect a counterspell to Redirect itself since they're both on the stack.
If you want to protect your spell from counter, Negate is much better
Thanks, and I guess it's right there in the gatherer, too...
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Malfegor - Discard and Punishment
Ghave, Guru of Spores - Fungus Tribal
building Dralnu, Lichlord - Arcane Draw-Go
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The target of Redirect is target spell. That is the target you choose when redirect is cast. When redirect resolves it is still on the stack, and is a legal choice for redirecting the targeted counterspell. When it finishes resolving, it is placed into the GY, and then the counterspell will be countered for lack of legal target.
I would put it among the worst. It has no guarantee of hitting anything you want it to. Instead of being a card in hand to hold off until you see a threat that needs it, it'll be the card in hand you hope someone plays into so you can use it.
Retired EDH - Tibor and Lumia | [PR]Nemata |Ramirez dePietro | [C]Edric | Riku | Jenara | Lazav | Heliod | Daxos | Roon | Kozilek