Ok, So I'm lookin to make an Azami deck, but I'm 15 cards over the limit. I need to cut those out. If anyone has any suggestions for things to add, I'll be happy to hear those too, but I'm really looking to make it legal first.
A few of the cards are in for flavor reasons (ei: Tomorrow), and other cards like Last Word are in because I like them.
I realize how good Ponder and Brainstorm are, but I just don't like them much in EDH. They're cheap low-impact one-off shots, where I'd rather have more powerful draw, like the rest of the draw you have. Plus your general is all about card draw, so you really shouldn't be worrying about that too much.
I think you have way too much card drawing here.
-Library of Leng
-Feldon's Cane
-Thought Reflection
-Upheaval (banned)
-Gather Specimens
-Ponder
-Brainstorm
-Impulse
-Opportunity
-Stroke of Genius
-Flow of Ideas
-Last Word
-Dismiss
-Magus of the Jar
-Arcanis the Omnipotent
-Riptide Director
-Jace Beleren
Thank you both for your advise, I will consider what you have said.
Are Forbid, Commandeer and Rewind good in EDH? Rewind seems a bit pointless (what am I untapping for? another counter?).
What do I want to hit withCommandeer? Aren't there other cards that are cheaper?
and Forbid seems like it would get very costly.
Thank you both for your advise, I will consider what you have said.
Are Forbid, Commandeer and Rewind good in EDH? Rewind seems a bit pointless (what am I untapping for? another counter?).
What do I want to hit withCommandeer? Aren't there other cards that are cheaper?
and Forbid seems like it would get very costly.
The reason Commandeer is good is because you should have plenty of cards to pitch for it, same with Force of Will & Foil. These free counterspells also help to protect Azami and since she is basically the engine that drives the deck she needs to be protected as much as possible. Forbid is excellent as you should have plenty of cards to pitch for the buyback. Rewind is another basically free counter. I'd probably throw in a few more utility wizards as well, Voidmage Prodigy is a serious pain to deal with.
Barrin, Master Wizard, Glen Elendra Archmage, Patron Wizard, Sower of Tempatation, Vendilion Clique, and Voidmage Prodigy(like Donald said) are all excellent wizards that would help the deck. There are a few sub-optimal choices that you're running that I noticed(like the ppl said in the previous posts) Vendilion Clique is especially good in this deck, because you really need to get rid of some stuff that people might be playing(like Obliterate) that would completely wreck your deck.
i am running an azami deck with slightly subpar wizards currently however my counterspell suite is pretty much as good as its gonna get without spending 100's of dollars on it. Honestly this is my favorite deck and I have playtested it alot, you don't need non azami card drawing, really you don't. having between 20-30 counterspells is a must however as these make up the core of what your deeck can do.
force of will
rewind
hinder
dissapate
faerie trickery
counterspell
cancel
mana drain
convolute
condescend
broken ambitions
negate
remove soul
prohibit
remand
essence scatter
rune snag
scent of brine
spell syphon
faerie trickery
spellstutter sprite
spell burst
those are a good counterspell base to start with also I would wonder why nullmage adept isn't in their and I would also put in that having 1 cost wizards is very nie even if they are bad ones. The more flash you have is the better even if you have to use bad cards.You have lots of very good cards in there but other than azami there is not much synergy. You also want at least 40 land because getting to 5 is soooooooo crucial on turn 5. I apologize if I sound a bit overbearing these are jsut my thoughts.
@Donald: Alright then, I will try to find room for Forbid and Commandeer.
@CrapforBrains: I don't know why there is no Vendilion Clique! I'll definitely add him, and possibly some of those others. Is Barrin any good? He seems very very costly.
@Jordman: I'm sure a counter strategy would be good, but I want this deck for fun, and stopping everything my opponents do, doesn't sound like much fun for them
I do have 40 land. I expected that I would not want any less than that so I'm trying to keep it at that.
It seems a bit sketchy to rely solely on Azami for draw. Are you sure nothing else is needed?
It seems a bit sketchy to rely solely on Azami for draw. Are you sure nothing else is needed?
I would definately run other draw spells other than Azami. Your current card draw base seems fine to me IMO, but I would maybe squeeze in room for Thirst for Knowledge somewhere. It's probably one of the best blue card drawers ever printed.
Other than that, Azami will be the card that is your primary engine. That's why she's your general. Remember, she doesn't have summoning sickness with her ability, so you can start drawing cards immediately. This really helps you getting away with not having to play as much draw as blue EDH decks usually do.
HOLY CRAP!! I never noticed that Thirst for Knowledge was an instant! I always thought it was a sorcery... I'll look for room for that too, despite needing to cut cards >.<
I just noticed that you aren't playing Memnarch. He is pretty much an auto-include in almost every blue deck. He breaks games wide open if your opponents can't stop him quickly.
I just noticed that you aren't playing Memnarch. He is pretty much an auto-include in almost every blue deck. He breaks games wide open if your opponents can't stop him quickly.
Azami can also tap him to draw, since he is a Wizard.
Azami is my 1v1 General so my list is setup for that. Ive been playing her for qhite awhile and heres the main things ive notcied:
Get rid of all the card draw stuff. You dont need it at all.
Get rid of all your "stealing" cards
Get rid of:
Upheaval
Spin into myth
Though Reflection
Future Sight
Sky Diamond
Eye of Ramos
Coldsteal Heart
Feldons Cane
Seneis Top
Library of Leng
Last Word
Dismiss
Etheral Usher
Tommorrow Familiar
Thalakos Deceiver
Magus of the Jar
Majus of the Future
Kaho
Arcanus
Sigil Tracer
Thawing Glaciers
Fairie Conclave
Mikokoro
Cards you could ADD:
Force of Will
Mana Drain
Daze
Foil
Negate
Turnabout Terrain Generator
Shapsharer
Intruder Alarm
Saprazzan Cove
Skill borrower Jeweled Amulet Meekstone Dreamscape Artist best way to get alot of lands into play that ive found
Darksteel Citadel Tolarian Academy Glen Elandra Archmage
Sage of Fables (glen elandra is an infinite counterspell/blocker with hiim)
Coalition Relic
Memnarch (for when you do get the deck rolling/infinite mana/turns) Inspired Sprite
Sower of Temptation Sigil Tracer
Stonybrook angler (imo Awesome) Tezzeret
Merrow harbinger
Martyr of Frost
Faerie Harbinger Diviners Wand
Sages Dousing
Most of those cards are in my list and i win most 1v1 games.
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A few of the cards are in for flavor reasons (ei: Tomorrow), and other cards like Last Word are in because I like them.
Azami, Lady of Scrolls
26 Snow-Covered Island
03 Seat of the Synod
04 Academy Ruins
05 Oboro, Palace in the Clouds
06 Lonely Sandbar
07 Dust Bowl
08 Minamo, School at Water's Edge
10 Scrying Sheets
11 Mikokoro, Center of the Sea
12 Reliquary Tower
13 Riptide Laboratory
14 Thawing Glaciers
15 Faerie Conclave
16 Temple of the False God
Wizards
17 Riptide Director
18 Sigil Tracer
19 Stonybrook Banneret
20 Surgespanner
21 Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
22 Temporal Adept
23 Rimewind Taskmage
24 Trinket Mage
25 Vedalken AEthermage
26 Willbender
27 Graceful Adept
28 Arcanis the Omnipotent
29 Ertai, Wizard Adept
30 Fallowsage
31 Heidar, Rimewind Master
32 Jushi Apprentice
33 Kaho, Minamo Historian
34 Magus of the Future
35 Scrivener
36 Thalakos Deceiver
37 Magus of the Jar
38 Venser, Shaper Savant
39 Tomorrow, Azami's Familiar
40 Ethereal Usher
41 Jace Beleren
Counter
42 Dissipate
43 Dismiss
44 Desertion
45 Cryptic Command
46 Counterspell
47 Last Word
48 Hinder
Draw
49 Ponder
50 Brainstorm
51 Impulse
52 Fact or Fiction
53 Opportunity
54 Flow of Ideas
55 Stroke of Genius
56 Rhystic Study
Time Cards
57 Beacon of Tomorrows
58 Time Stretch
59 Time Warp
60 Time Spiral
Stealing
61 Acquire
62 Treachery
63 Bribery
64 Blatant Thievery
65 Gather Specimens
Bounce
66 Evacuation
67 Inundate
68 Upheaval
69 Spin into Myth
70 Capsize
71 Mind Over Matter
72 Meishin, the Mind Cage
73 Thought Reflection
74 Future Sight
75 Mystical Tutor
76 High Tide
77 Relearn
Mana Artifacts
78 Sky Diamond
79 Mind Stone
80 Eye of Ramos
81 Coldsteel Heart
82 Sol Ring
83 Darksteel Ingot
Other Artifacts
84 Feldon's Cane
85 Gauntlet of Power
86 Sensei's Divining Top
87 Lightning Greaves
88 Ivory Tower
89 Library of Leng
90 Mindslaver
I'd also cut Library of Leng and just put in Reliquary Tower if you need infinite hand size. Also Gauntlet of Power might be unnessecary. I'd swap Feldon's Cane out for Tormod's Crypt or Relic of Progenitus.
And personally, I might be iffy on Dissipate, Last Word, and Counterspell. Maybe Forbid, Rewind, Spelljack, they pack a bit more of a punch.
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-Library of Leng
-Feldon's Cane
-Thought Reflection
-Upheaval (banned)
-Gather Specimens
-Ponder
-Brainstorm
-Impulse
-Opportunity
-Stroke of Genius
-Flow of Ideas
-Last Word
-Dismiss
-Magus of the Jar
-Arcanis the Omnipotent
-Riptide Director
-Jace Beleren
I'd add Empyrial Plate, Foil, Force of Will, Commandeer & Forbid.
Are Forbid, Commandeer and Rewind good in EDH?
Rewind seems a bit pointless (what am I untapping for? another counter?).
What do I want to hit withCommandeer? Aren't there other cards that are cheaper?
and Forbid seems like it would get very costly.
The reason Commandeer is good is because you should have plenty of cards to pitch for it, same with Force of Will & Foil. These free counterspells also help to protect Azami and since she is basically the engine that drives the deck she needs to be protected as much as possible. Forbid is excellent as you should have plenty of cards to pitch for the buyback. Rewind is another basically free counter. I'd probably throw in a few more utility wizards as well, Voidmage Prodigy is a serious pain to deal with.
If you're running Gauntlet of Power, you might as well add Extraplanar Lens. Then you can go infinite with Palinchron. If you decide to go that route, I would add Braingeyser and Ambassador Laquatus to give you instant wins.
Also, since you're already running Beacon of Tomorrows, you can add Planar Portal to get infinite turns.
force of will
rewind
hinder
dissapate
faerie trickery
counterspell
cancel
mana drain
convolute
condescend
broken ambitions
negate
remove soul
prohibit
remand
essence scatter
rune snag
scent of brine
spell syphon
faerie trickery
spellstutter sprite
spell burst
those are a good counterspell base to start with also I would wonder why nullmage adept isn't in their and I would also put in that having 1 cost wizards is very nie even if they are bad ones. The more flash you have is the better even if you have to use bad cards.You have lots of very good cards in there but other than azami there is not much synergy. You also want at least 40 land because getting to 5 is soooooooo crucial on turn 5. I apologize if I sound a bit overbearing these are jsut my thoughts.
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@CrapforBrains: I don't know why there is no Vendilion Clique! I'll definitely add him, and possibly some of those others. Is Barrin any good? He seems very very costly.
@Jordman: I'm sure a counter strategy would be good, but I want this deck for fun, and stopping everything my opponents do, doesn't sound like much fun for them
I do have 40 land. I expected that I would not want any less than that so I'm trying to keep it at that.
It seems a bit sketchy to rely solely on Azami for draw. Are you sure nothing else is needed?
I would definately run other draw spells other than Azami. Your current card draw base seems fine to me IMO, but I would maybe squeeze in room for Thirst for Knowledge somewhere. It's probably one of the best blue card drawers ever printed.
Other than that, Azami will be the card that is your primary engine. That's why she's your general. Remember, she doesn't have summoning sickness with her ability, so you can start drawing cards immediately. This really helps you getting away with not having to play as much draw as blue EDH decks usually do.
Azami can also tap him to draw, since he is a Wizard.
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Mind over Matter is busted in EDH, period.
Get rid of all the card draw stuff. You dont need it at all.
Get rid of all your "stealing" cards
Get rid of:
Upheaval
Spin into myth
Though Reflection
Future Sight
Sky Diamond
Eye of Ramos
Coldsteal Heart
Feldons Cane
Seneis Top
Library of Leng
Last Word
Dismiss
Etheral Usher
Tommorrow Familiar
Thalakos Deceiver
Magus of the Jar
Majus of the Future
Kaho
Arcanus
Sigil Tracer
Thawing Glaciers
Fairie Conclave
Mikokoro
Cards you could ADD:
Force of Will
Mana Drain
Daze
Foil
Negate
Turnabout
Terrain Generator
Shapsharer
Intruder Alarm
Saprazzan Cove
Skill borrower
Jeweled Amulet
Meekstone
Dreamscape Artist best way to get alot of lands into play that ive found
Darksteel Citadel
Tolarian Academy
Glen Elandra Archmage
Sage of Fables (glen elandra is an infinite counterspell/blocker with hiim)
Coalition Relic
Memnarch (for when you do get the deck rolling/infinite mana/turns)
Inspired Sprite
Sower of Temptation
Sigil Tracer
Stonybrook angler (imo Awesome)
Tezzeret
Merrow harbinger
Martyr of Frost
Faerie Harbinger
Diviners Wand
Sages Dousing
Most of those cards are in my list and i win most 1v1 games.
Saffi
Eldric
Gogo Godo Voltron
Azusa 1v1 viable
Zedru the Greathearted
Reaper King
EDH 1v1:
Azami Lady of the CA
Momir Vig Combo