When I see Healing Salve, I'm often like "Oh girl, I wish I could turn every card into this." Thanks they removed the gain life part, otherwise this would have been broken.
Wow. I'd love to be the guy that's watching the trade and then tells the guy getting ripped off just how badly he's getting ripped off right before he agrees to the trade. As a matter of fact, if I were independently wealthy and didn't have to spend my time earning a paycheck, I'd now love to make it my current mission in life to just follow Medina around at tournaments and conventions and be honest to his partners. That might ruin his current article series, but it'd make the Magic scene a better place with one less douche running around.
I can post my tournament schedule if you like. Then you can fulfill your purpose in life.
When I see Healing Salve, I'm often like "Oh girl, I wish I could turn every card into this." Thanks they removed the gain life part, otherwise this would have been broken.
When I see Healing Salve, I'm often like "Oh girl, I wish I could turn every card into this." Thanks they removed the gain life part, otherwise this would have been broken.
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Amoral bloodsuckers seem to really ruin Magic for a lot of people. But enough about John Medina.
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hilarious side note: in between the time he posted that and the time i posted in response, medina just removed his trade thread from his sig.
That's funny.
I was wondering if there was gonna be a disclaimer at the top of it, saying that you must be getting ripped off for at least 25% of the value of the trade in order to trade with this member.
this raises a bit of a quandary. it's one thing when we're discussing him as a magic subject, it's another when he actually shows up. does expressing strong opinions about a magic writer become flaming when that writer is on the forum with you? is there a certain level of fame where you're exempt from those kind of concerns (i wouldn't hesitate to call tom cruise a loony nutjob, for example)? are "bloodsucking," "scum," and "dirtbag" flaming or are they just objective descriptors in this case?
he seems to be taking it well, in any case. so i guess we don't have to worry about it too much. i'd stay away from that trade thread, though.
Or you can just hang out there and tell people prices if you want.
well, if they're trading with you without looking at prices when they're already on the internet, i don't have a lot of sympathy for them. they obviously know how to use a computer.
When I see Healing Salve, I'm often like "Oh girl, I wish I could turn every card into this." Thanks they removed the gain life part, otherwise this would have been broken.
I have no intention of bashing Medina as a person. I don't know him.
That doesn't mean I don't think Pack to Power is a disgusting exercise in dishonesty.
Here's some nice excerpts:
“What do you value Linvala at?” The tough thing was that the kid that I just traded it from was looking over my shoulder.
My trade partner accepted the price of $15 for the Linvala. I saw the kid who traded it to me out of the corner of my eye; he tilted his head like he had an epiphany.
“What do you put the Jitte at?” He responded, “Well, since it’s not used in Extended anymore… $12?”
This is when a little cash register noise goes off in my head...
this raises a bit of a quandary. it's one thing when we're discussing him as a magic subject, it's another when he actually shows up. does expressing strong opinions about a magic writer become flaming when that writer is on the forum with you? is there a certain level of fame where you're exempt from those kind of concerns (i wouldn't hesitate to call tom cruise a loony nutjob, for example)? are "bloodsucking," "scum," and "dirtbag" flaming or are they just objective descriptors in this case?
he seems to be taking it well, in any case. so i guess we don't have to worry about it too much. i'd stay away from that trade thread, though.
I really don't mind threads like this. I get flamed in my own article comments, some weeks so I'm pretty used to it.
I know that some people don't "like" me or respect what I do and I'm OK with that. Your opinion (the collective, not you personally) of me doesn't change my perception of you (again, the collective). The one thing that we all have in common is that we love this game, it's a big part of all of our lives. I try to focus on that and view you guys as "brother's in arms" under the banner of MTG. Instead of trying to figure out which of you guys are douche bags and which are not.
Admittedly I have it easy, because I don't have a blueprint of your thoughts (in written form) to pick apart and pass judgement on. Instead, I can blissfully believe that all of you are good-hearted / well-meaning gamers. You on the other hand, have my written body of work to "judge" me by and It's understandable that some of you have come to the conclusions that you have. It would be silly for me to fight these conclusions or try to disprove them. I know that your "judgment" of me is incomplete because you don't know me personally and it's silly for me to expect any of you to go through the trouble.
At the end of the day, I dont hold any ill-will toward any of you guys.
Anyways, enough of this serious talk. Who wants to trade?
I know that your "judgment" of me is incomplete because you don't know me personally and it's silly for me to expect any of you to go through the trouble.
This is fair. I don't dislike you as a person. I don't know you.
But I know all I need to know about "Pack to Power" to understand completely that it's something I fundamentally disagree with. That's all.
This is fair. I don't dislike you as a person. I don't know you.
But I know all I need to know about "Pack to Power" to understand completely that it's something I fundamentally disagree with. That's all.
This is fair, but let me ask a question.
Do you think that raw nature of Pack to Power helped or hurt the readers?
Here's a perspective to ponder. As a reader, you get to glance into the mind of a trader, you get to see the tactics that use to gain value, you get an uncensored look at the thought process behind each deal that was made.
If I kept quiet and didn't write this series would the readers of Pack to Power be as savvy as they are today?
I know there are trading sharks out there. I've traded to my advantage multiple times before. But in all cases, I make sure the people I'm trading with are aware of the value of the cards.
I don't have a problem with trying to turn a booster pack into a black lotus. It's pretty cool, actually.
But when you start discussing how you hope the little kid you just ripped off doesn't find out how much you really value the cards you just traded for ...or when a trader's undervaluing of a card makes "cash register noises" run through your head... that becomes a different matter entirely.
I'm all for: Help me with my pack to power quest! I want to make lots of incrementally advantageous trades until I have power! So long as the people you're trading with know that they're getting the short end of the stick. Even if it's only a little at a time.
For example. If you wanted to trade me $90 worth of Lords of the Pit, I'll give you $100 in trade for 'em. I collect pit lords, and it's a fun and interesting trade that I'm down with. I know I'm getting the raw end of the deal, but I'm fine with it. I doubt you could say the same for the small business owner who unloaded his Jitte for $12, or the little kid who had his Linvella ripped for a Temple Bell and a Sundering Titan.
I know there are trading sharks out there. I've traded to my advantage multiple times before. But in all cases, I make sure the people I'm trading with are aware of the value of the cards.
I don't have a problem with trying to turn a booster pack into a black lotus. It's pretty cool, actually.
But when you start discussing how you hope the little kid you just ripped off doesn't find out how much you really value the cards you just traded for ...or when a trader's undervaluing of a card makes "cash register noises" run through your head... that becomes a different matter entirely.
I'm all for: Help me with my pack to power quest! I want to make lots of incrementally advantageous trades until I have power! So long as the people you're trading with know that they're getting the short end of the stick. Even if it's only a little at a time.
For example. If you wanted to trade me $90 worth of Lords of the Pit, I'll give you $100 in trade for 'em. I collect pit lords, and it's a fun and interesting trade that I'm down with. I know I'm getting the raw end of the deal, but I'm fine with it. I doubt you could say the same for the small business owner who unloaded his Jitte for $12, or the little kid who had his Linvella ripped for a Temple Bell and a Sundering Titan.
But hey bro, that's just me.
I am defending the content as a whole. The Pack to Power series is educational and entertaining (for most).
The things like "cash register noise" and such were added for entertainment value. I never intended on selling the cards so to take the phase "cash register sounds" literally is a little off base.
What I want to avoid doing here is defending every individual trade (there's alot), if we put this in terms of relative value then these trades make more sense. I also want to point out that I was not allow to trade with children. All the people that I traded with were High School age or above. They were competent individuals who always have the option to say "no" or check their smartphones, friends or computers for pricing data.
When someone choses not to do this, they put themselves at risk to lose value in a trade. This says one of two things to me:
1) They don't care about monetary value.
2) They are too lazy to get the data that they need. (Not my problem.)
I often take losses on trades when trading for something that I need or want. I allow others to do the same.
I don't expect me being here or anything I say to change your mind about the series but I figured I would add my .02 for people who have the same questions/ reactions that you do.
Do you think that raw nature of Pack to Power helped or hurt the readers?
Here's a perspective to ponder. As a reader, you get to glance into the mind of a trader, you get to see the tactics that use to gain value, you get an uncensored look at the thought process behind each deal that was made.
If I kept quiet and didn't write this series would the readers of Pack to Power be as savvy as they are today?
Bro, that just makes it look like you think everyone is stupid.
you could have given the same information out, about looking out for bad traders, without being an unfair trader yourself. if you really wanted to inform readers about this unfair process.
NO!! i dont agree with you jmendina, you inspire in others, hateful thoughts.
it is wrong to advocate personal greed, and taking advantage of other people.
you spend your whole life trying to rort magic trades.
you do not help make ppl "Savvy" as you say, you encourage ppl to rip off other players, as though it were the prime importance of playing magic.
learn what "Good Sportmanship" and the word "Honesty" means
also, dont try to treat me like a naive idiot, jmendina, you are as easy to read as book. you do not "inform" players, you gloat over ripping ppl off..
i can easily tell the diffence,
also if your ever in Australia at a PTQ, i would *love* to catch up with you in person, i take great offence from attitudes like yours
Ok enough it enough. I should of stopped this earlier.
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I saw that earlier as a Tosh.O link, I was laughing so long it was great.
I went to check out the song after that, and the most liked comment on it was, "like if you came here because of the prank video"
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lol
One of my Twitter followers was kind enough to point it out in an email.
It gave me something to read over my afternoon coffee, pretty entertaining stuff here.
That link was not current, I will be changing thread again in a week but if you just cant wait to trade with me, you can do it here:
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Or you can just hang out there and tell people prices if you want.
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Amoral bloodsuckers seem to really ruin Magic for a lot of people. But enough about John Medina.
It's Jonathan Medina, for future reference.
ok.
Amoral Jonathan Medinas seem to really ruin Magic for a lot of people. But enough about bloodsuckers.
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That's funny.
I was wondering if there was gonna be a disclaimer at the top of it, saying that you must be getting ripped off for at least 25% of the value of the trade in order to trade with this member.
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he seems to be taking it well, in any case. so i guess we don't have to worry about it too much. i'd stay away from that trade thread, though.
well, if they're trading with you without looking at prices when they're already on the internet, i don't have a lot of sympathy for them. they obviously know how to use a computer.
That doesn't mean I don't think Pack to Power is a disgusting exercise in dishonesty.
Here's some nice excerpts:
Yuck.
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I really don't mind threads like this. I get flamed in my own article comments, some weeks so I'm pretty used to it.
I know that some people don't "like" me or respect what I do and I'm OK with that. Your opinion (the collective, not you personally) of me doesn't change my perception of you (again, the collective). The one thing that we all have in common is that we love this game, it's a big part of all of our lives. I try to focus on that and view you guys as "brother's in arms" under the banner of MTG. Instead of trying to figure out which of you guys are douche bags and which are not.
Admittedly I have it easy, because I don't have a blueprint of your thoughts (in written form) to pick apart and pass judgement on. Instead, I can blissfully believe that all of you are good-hearted / well-meaning gamers. You on the other hand, have my written body of work to "judge" me by and It's understandable that some of you have come to the conclusions that you have. It would be silly for me to fight these conclusions or try to disprove them. I know that your "judgment" of me is incomplete because you don't know me personally and it's silly for me to expect any of you to go through the trouble.
At the end of the day, I dont hold any ill-will toward any of you guys.
Anyways, enough of this serious talk. Who wants to trade?
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This is fair. I don't dislike you as a person. I don't know you.
But I know all I need to know about "Pack to Power" to understand completely that it's something I fundamentally disagree with. That's all.
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Guess I need to scope out this series to see what the fuss is about.
Fair and well said. And I agree.
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This is fair, but let me ask a question.
Do you think that raw nature of Pack to Power helped or hurt the readers?
Here's a perspective to ponder. As a reader, you get to glance into the mind of a trader, you get to see the tactics that use to gain value, you get an uncensored look at the thought process behind each deal that was made.
If I kept quiet and didn't write this series would the readers of Pack to Power be as savvy as they are today?
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I don't have a problem with trying to turn a booster pack into a black lotus. It's pretty cool, actually.
But when you start discussing how you hope the little kid you just ripped off doesn't find out how much you really value the cards you just traded for ...or when a trader's undervaluing of a card makes "cash register noises" run through your head... that becomes a different matter entirely.
I'm all for: Help me with my pack to power quest! I want to make lots of incrementally advantageous trades until I have power! So long as the people you're trading with know that they're getting the short end of the stick. Even if it's only a little at a time.
For example. If you wanted to trade me $90 worth of Lords of the Pit, I'll give you $100 in trade for 'em. I collect pit lords, and it's a fun and interesting trade that I'm down with. I know I'm getting the raw end of the deal, but I'm fine with it. I doubt you could say the same for the small business owner who unloaded his Jitte for $12, or the little kid who had his Linvella ripped for a Temple Bell and a Sundering Titan.
But hey bro, that's just me.
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I am defending the content as a whole. The Pack to Power series is educational and entertaining (for most).
The things like "cash register noise" and such were added for entertainment value. I never intended on selling the cards so to take the phase "cash register sounds" literally is a little off base.
What I want to avoid doing here is defending every individual trade (there's alot), if we put this in terms of relative value then these trades make more sense. I also want to point out that I was not allow to trade with children. All the people that I traded with were High School age or above. They were competent individuals who always have the option to say "no" or check their smartphones, friends or computers for pricing data.
When someone choses not to do this, they put themselves at risk to lose value in a trade. This says one of two things to me:
1) They don't care about monetary value.
2) They are too lazy to get the data that they need. (Not my problem.)
I often take losses on trades when trading for something that I need or want. I allow others to do the same.
I don't expect me being here or anything I say to change your mind about the series but I figured I would add my .02 for people who have the same questions/ reactions that you do.
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Bro, that just makes it look like you think everyone is stupid.
you could have given the same information out, about looking out for bad traders, without being an unfair trader yourself. if you really wanted to inform readers about this unfair process.
NO!! i dont agree with you jmendina, you inspire in others, hateful thoughts.
it is wrong to advocate personal greed, and taking advantage of other people.
you spend your whole life trying to rort magic trades.
you do not help make ppl "Savvy" as you say, you encourage ppl to rip off other players, as though it were the prime importance of playing magic.
learn what "Good Sportmanship" and the word "Honesty" means
also, dont try to treat me like a naive idiot, jmendina, you are as easy to read as book. you do not "inform" players, you gloat over ripping ppl off..
i can easily tell the diffence,
also if your ever in Australia at a PTQ, i would *love* to catch up with you in person, i take great offence from attitudes like yours
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I think it's cool that when this is all over, you can say that you turned a booster pack into a mox. I really do.
But for me, I'd like to add the caveat that I did it with all trading parties being satisfied with the trades along the way.
That would be important to me. It may take a little longer, but it's something I'd take pride in.
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