Deathrite shaman. Such a good card. Adds in such more to the midgame for when you don't have a glimpse of for some reason you fizzle. on top of that, he's an elf so even if you run out of fetches he can tap with heritage druid or birchlore rangers.
If I weren't running cradle or cavern I'd drop the crop rotation make the deck nearly all 1cmc creatures so i could use heritage druid/birchlore rangers for max mana ramping/effectiveness. Also, I'm thinking about taking out the Priest for Quirion Ranger but I haven't been playing the deck lately as I've been working on cheeri0s, bw tokens, and junkblade.
More often than not i believe having three Deathrite Shamans is a must. The flexibility that it provides grants a different angle of attack. Also, as mentioned in an article by Caleb, it becomes possible to dedicate sb slots to other matchups. Personally i've won games because of a deathrite shaman consistently gaining me life against aggro decks such as UR delver. Oh and against engineered plague, it survives
While i agree that my Deck is arguably slower than others, living wish makes it alot more versatile. Against Counterbalance and other counters i should probably sideboard a Vexing Shusher (even if its just to draw out the counter on living wish so i can make a Glimpse pass).
I'd rather use a krosan grip against counter balance than vexing shusher. And really, my main concern isn't the counter top but the terminus they've been moving around with top until just before we wreck them. That's the biggest foe of this deck. And IMO the way to deal with is Green Sun's Zenith + Elvish Harbinger + Sylvan Messenger. Or like you said, Regal Force
Also, what do you think about including an Eternal Witness in sideboard to be able to return a countered Glimpse of Nature? Because, lets face it, unless that card resolves, we won't really ramp off. It can still work somehow if you can tutor up and play an Eternal Force, that requires 8-9 mana to begin with tho.
Personally I'd rather just use 4x wirewood symbiote + elvish visonary. While it's good that it allows you to recur Glimpse back to your hand, what are you going to go off with if you fizzled in the first place? Although I'm not completely discrediting it since I've never playtested it. So it's worth a shot.
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why would it not? every elves player should be now playing deathrite shaman, it helps your almost unwinable matchup into a potential even matchup.
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Just kidding. But seriously, I don't know who was laughing at the idea of DRS, its pretty plain to see that its a legacy ready card.
I wonder how the Gitaxian Probe worked out for him. Seems like a a nice way to thin your deck and get to the good stuff. I think that's my problem ATM, I know what cards are slower that I need to take out, but there's not much to replace them with.
against control. They are there so when you try to go off and they counter something you still have the agro plan to fall back on.
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In matchups where mass removal becomes a commonly played tactic. Before Terminus, I would say to bring it in against UW control and UB/x control, or even any deck with Damnation, Wrath, Firespout, and Perish. Since white has Terminus now, I would only really bring it in against Perish.
It has lost a lot of utility due to Terminus.
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Please pardon my intrusion, oh great and wise Sages of Elvenkind. I've been wondering about something for quite awhile and unable to come up with the answer on my own.
I recall that huge splash that Elves made earlier this year. It didn't last all that long, but it absolutely did happen that multiple Elf decks were seen at top tables. I don't understand why: not that I doubt the power of the deck (I lost to it myself more often than not), but I don't understand the underlying metagame conditions that make the deck a good choice.
Burn, I get, those metagame conditions seem more straightforward to me. Elves, though, I don't. I would be grateful if someone could enlighten me. What metagame conditions does Elves do best in?
Please pardon my intrusion, oh great and wise Sages of Elvenkind. I've been wondering about something for quite awhile and unable to come up with the answer on my own.
I recall that huge splash that Elves made earlier this year. It didn't last all that long, but it absolutely did happen that multiple Elf decks were seen at top tables. I don't understand why: not that I doubt the power of the deck (I lost to it myself more often than not), but I don't understand the underlying metagame conditions that make the deck a good choice.
Burn, I get, those metagame conditions seem more straightforward to me. Elves, though, I don't. I would be grateful if someone could enlighten me. What metagame conditions does Elves do best in?
Sadly, one without Terminus. Ask anyone in this thread what their least favorite card in MtG is and thats gonna be your answer.
Notice how towards the end of the summer when Miracles got more and more infused into stoneblade, the appearance of elf decks began to diminish.
Terminus.... That is literally the only card holding this deck back. Im thinking of running 4 Thorn of Amethyst and 2 Thalia in the board against the U/W decks but i still dont think it will be enough. Terminus is the worst card this deck can see. They brainstorm or top it and always cast it for 1. Beat Terminus some how and elves might be good again.
I want to try something like Silence to stop them from countering glimpse. Or play noxious revival to put one of their fetches on top of there deck to stop terminus but youd have to know exactly when they are going to so that seems bad.
I want to try something like Silence to stop them from countering glimpse. Or play noxious revival to put one of their fetches on top of there deck to stop terminus but youd have to know exactly when they are going to so that seems bad.
I have a crazy idea. You know how that guy ran 4x gitaxian probes? well what about instead of 4 probes you have 4x FoW. That way when you combo off and before you attack and they use terminus you can force it.
Eh?
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I have a crazy idea. You know how that guy ran 4x gitaxian probes? well what about instead of 4 probes you have 4x FoW. That way when you combo off and before you attack and they use terminus you can force it.
Eh?
It sound pretty ambitious, but im not that experienced. Is the 4 gitaxian probes actually a good idea to have in elves?
I have a crazy idea. You know how that guy ran 4x gitaxian probes? well what about instead of 4 probes you have 4x FoW. That way when you combo off and before you attack and they use terminus you can force it.
Eh?
What's the chance you have 2 blue cards in hand (including FoW) by the time you cast it, though? I think Envelop would fit better in Combo Elves because all it requires is one card and 1 blue mana.
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Doesn't sound like a bad idea really. Do you have a decklist?
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Deathrite shaman. Such a good card. Adds in such more to the midgame for when you don't have a glimpse of for some reason you fizzle. on top of that, he's an elf so even if you run out of fetches he can tap with heritage druid or birchlore rangers.
4x Deathrite Shaman
4x Llanowar Elves
4x Wirewood Symbiote
4x Elvish Visionary
4x Nettle Sentinel
4x Heritage Druid
4x Birchlore Rangers
2x Priest of Titania
1x Viridian Shaman
1x Regal Force
1x Craterhoof behemoth
1x Emrakul, the aeons torn
4x Green Sun's Zenith
4x Glimpse of Nature
2x Crop Rotation
Land - 16
4x Verdant Catacomb
4x Misty Rainforest
4x Forest
2x Cavern of Souls
1x Gaea's Cradle
1x Temple Garden
If I weren't running cradle or cavern I'd drop the crop rotation make the deck nearly all 1cmc creatures so i could use heritage druid/birchlore rangers for max mana ramping/effectiveness. Also, I'm thinking about taking out the Priest for Quirion Ranger but I haven't been playing the deck lately as I've been working on cheeri0s, bw tokens, and junkblade.
Legacy:
combo elves
Modern:
White Rock (41-24-4 in matches. Beginning 10/14/14. Last updated 1/2/15)
List:
4 Dark Confidant
3 Siege Rhino
1 Thrun, The Last Troll
Spells - 20
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Thoughtseize
4 abrupt decay
2 maelstrom pulse
1 slaughter pact
1 path to exile
1 Disfigure
1 damnation
3 lingering souls
NCP - 4
3 Liliana of the Veil
1 Bow of Nylea
4 verdant Catacombs
2 marsh flats
2 windswept heath
2 Swamp
1 Forest
1 Plains
2 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
3 overgrown tomb
1 godless shrine
1 temple garden
1 Treetop Village
2 stirring wildwood
2 Tectonic Edge
4 Leyline of Sanctity
1 Thrun, the last troll
2 Duress
1 Creeping Corrosion
2 Stony Silence
2 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Back to nature
1 Utter End
1 Golgari Charm
Theoretically it can go off turn 2 (or turn 1 with Elvish Spirit guides):
T1: land heritage go.
T2: land, nettle, nettle, tap all 3 for 3 mana, glimpse go off.
Legacy:
combo elves
Modern:
White Rock (41-24-4 in matches. Beginning 10/14/14. Last updated 1/2/15)
List:
4 Dark Confidant
3 Siege Rhino
1 Thrun, The Last Troll
Spells - 20
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Thoughtseize
4 abrupt decay
2 maelstrom pulse
1 slaughter pact
1 path to exile
1 Disfigure
1 damnation
3 lingering souls
NCP - 4
3 Liliana of the Veil
1 Bow of Nylea
4 verdant Catacombs
2 marsh flats
2 windswept heath
2 Swamp
1 Forest
1 Plains
2 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
3 overgrown tomb
1 godless shrine
1 temple garden
1 Treetop Village
2 stirring wildwood
2 Tectonic Edge
4 Leyline of Sanctity
1 Thrun, the last troll
2 Duress
1 Creeping Corrosion
2 Stony Silence
2 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Back to nature
1 Utter End
1 Golgari Charm
I also do not really like the Deathrite Shaman. They are good in Jund, Team America, Aggro loam. But in elves, Scavenging Ooze was better imho.
Combo Elves [Legacy]
:symb::symg: Vampires [Modern]
:symb::symw: Tokens [Modern]
Except at this point you're comparing apples and oranges. The cards have different goals and intended uses.
Legacy:
combo elves
Modern:
White Rock (41-24-4 in matches. Beginning 10/14/14. Last updated 1/2/15)
List:
4 Dark Confidant
3 Siege Rhino
1 Thrun, The Last Troll
Spells - 20
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Thoughtseize
4 abrupt decay
2 maelstrom pulse
1 slaughter pact
1 path to exile
1 Disfigure
1 damnation
3 lingering souls
NCP - 4
3 Liliana of the Veil
1 Bow of Nylea
4 verdant Catacombs
2 marsh flats
2 windswept heath
2 Swamp
1 Forest
1 Plains
2 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
3 overgrown tomb
1 godless shrine
1 temple garden
1 Treetop Village
2 stirring wildwood
2 Tectonic Edge
4 Leyline of Sanctity
1 Thrun, the last troll
2 Duress
1 Creeping Corrosion
2 Stony Silence
2 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Back to nature
1 Utter End
1 Golgari Charm
I'd rather use a krosan grip against counter balance than vexing shusher. And really, my main concern isn't the counter top but the terminus they've been moving around with top until just before we wreck them. That's the biggest foe of this deck. And IMO the way to deal with is Green Sun's Zenith + Elvish Harbinger + Sylvan Messenger. Or like you said, Regal Force
Personally I'd rather just use 4x wirewood symbiote + elvish visonary. While it's good that it allows you to recur Glimpse back to your hand, what are you going to go off with if you fizzled in the first place? Although I'm not completely discrediting it since I've never playtested it. So it's worth a shot.
Legacy:
combo elves
Modern:
White Rock (41-24-4 in matches. Beginning 10/14/14. Last updated 1/2/15)
List:
4 Dark Confidant
3 Siege Rhino
1 Thrun, The Last Troll
Spells - 20
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Thoughtseize
4 abrupt decay
2 maelstrom pulse
1 slaughter pact
1 path to exile
1 Disfigure
1 damnation
3 lingering souls
NCP - 4
3 Liliana of the Veil
1 Bow of Nylea
4 verdant Catacombs
2 marsh flats
2 windswept heath
2 Swamp
1 Forest
1 Plains
2 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
3 overgrown tomb
1 godless shrine
1 temple garden
1 Treetop Village
2 stirring wildwood
2 Tectonic Edge
4 Leyline of Sanctity
1 Thrun, the last troll
2 Duress
1 Creeping Corrosion
2 Stony Silence
2 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Back to nature
1 Utter End
1 Golgari Charm
why would it not? every elves player should be now playing deathrite shaman, it helps your almost unwinable matchup into a potential even matchup.
Personal preference is nothing, The win is all that matters.
I will netdeck at every opportunity, but I will not let that stifle my creativity.
Style points do not appear on tournament reports.
A good deck with an incompetent pilot is nothing more than a dressed up match win.
I will crush my opponent mercilessly, and expect no less from him.
Victory is its own reward, The prize is just a bonus.
Legacy is dying
Your argument is invalid. You said
And he ran 3.
Just kidding. But seriously, I don't know who was laughing at the idea of DRS, its pretty plain to see that its a legacy ready card.
I wonder how the Gitaxian Probe worked out for him. Seems like a a nice way to thin your deck and get to the good stuff. I think that's my problem ATM, I know what cards are slower that I need to take out, but there's not much to replace them with.
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NO Combo Elves
Reanimator
Trades
Burn Primer
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against control. They are there so when you try to go off and they counter something you still have the agro plan to fall back on.
Personal preference is nothing, The win is all that matters.
I will netdeck at every opportunity, but I will not let that stifle my creativity.
Style points do not appear on tournament reports.
A good deck with an incompetent pilot is nothing more than a dressed up match win.
I will crush my opponent mercilessly, and expect no less from him.
Victory is its own reward, The prize is just a bonus.
Legacy is dying
In matchups where mass removal becomes a commonly played tactic. Before Terminus, I would say to bring it in against UW control and UB/x control, or even any deck with Damnation, Wrath, Firespout, and Perish. Since white has Terminus now, I would only really bring it in against Perish.
It has lost a lot of utility due to Terminus.
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Combo Elves [Legacy]
:symb::symg: Vampires [Modern]
:symb::symw: Tokens [Modern]
Don't get anyone's hopes up.
Legacy Burn
NO Combo Elves
Reanimator
Trades
Burn Primer
:symg:Free Gaea's Cradle:symg:
I recall that huge splash that Elves made earlier this year. It didn't last all that long, but it absolutely did happen that multiple Elf decks were seen at top tables. I don't understand why: not that I doubt the power of the deck (I lost to it myself more often than not), but I don't understand the underlying metagame conditions that make the deck a good choice.
Burn, I get, those metagame conditions seem more straightforward to me. Elves, though, I don't. I would be grateful if someone could enlighten me. What metagame conditions does Elves do best in?
Overall record: 139-98-15
Total number of matches: 252
Win percentage ignoring draws: 58.649789
Win percentage including draws: 55.158730
Metagame of maverick / rock / aggro loam decks, definitely suited for elves
Combo Elves [Legacy]
:symb::symg: Vampires [Modern]
:symb::symw: Tokens [Modern]
Sadly, one without Terminus. Ask anyone in this thread what their least favorite card in MtG is and thats gonna be your answer.
Notice how towards the end of the summer when Miracles got more and more infused into stoneblade, the appearance of elf decks began to diminish.
Legacy Burn
NO Combo Elves
Reanimator
Trades
Burn Primer
:symg:Free Gaea's Cradle:symg:
What a strange decision against Terminus. Maybe better to play Gaddock Teeg, which also disables Force of Will?
Combo Elves [Legacy]
:symb::symg: Vampires [Modern]
:symb::symw: Tokens [Modern]
Eh?
Legacy:
combo elves
Modern:
White Rock (41-24-4 in matches. Beginning 10/14/14. Last updated 1/2/15)
List:
4 Dark Confidant
3 Siege Rhino
1 Thrun, The Last Troll
Spells - 20
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Thoughtseize
4 abrupt decay
2 maelstrom pulse
1 slaughter pact
1 path to exile
1 Disfigure
1 damnation
3 lingering souls
NCP - 4
3 Liliana of the Veil
1 Bow of Nylea
4 verdant Catacombs
2 marsh flats
2 windswept heath
2 Swamp
1 Forest
1 Plains
2 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
3 overgrown tomb
1 godless shrine
1 temple garden
1 Treetop Village
2 stirring wildwood
2 Tectonic Edge
4 Leyline of Sanctity
1 Thrun, the last troll
2 Duress
1 Creeping Corrosion
2 Stony Silence
2 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Back to nature
1 Utter End
1 Golgari Charm
SB
2 Meekstone
1 vexing shusher
2 krosan grip
2 choke
2 mindbreak trap
2 thorn of amethyst
4 Faerie Macabre
MD
2 Quiron Ranger
4 ELvish Visionary
1 Craterhood behemoth
2 Llanowar Elves
2 Priest of titiana
4 Heritage Druid
4 GLimpse of NAture
4 Green sun's Zenith
4 Fyndhorn Elves
1 Scavenging ooze
2 Birchlore rangers
1 viridian shaman
4 Wirewood Symbiote
1 Concordant crossroads
4 nettle sentinel
1 Sylvan Messenger
1 Evlish Archdruid
1 Ezuri renegade Leader
1 Regal Force
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Banefire
14 Forest
What's the chance you have 2 blue cards in hand (including FoW) by the time you cast it, though? I think Envelop would fit better in Combo Elves because all it requires is one card and 1 blue mana.