I don't think anybody has posted this yet, and I've seen a few people confused about the math, so hopefully this helps. This is the probability Y that you hit at least one artifact off a Tezzeret, assuming that there are X artifacts left in your deck out of a total of 50. This is meant to show the probability of you not missing completely the first time you activate him.
I don't think anybody has posted this yet, and I've seen a few people confused about the math, so hopefully this helps. This is the probability Y that you hit at least one artifact off a Tezzeret, assuming that there are X artifacts left in your deck out of a total of 50. This is meant to show the probability of you not missing completely the first time you activate him.
Ive been testing out some new phyrexia cards in a new tezz build ive been working on, im not sold on it yet, its straight UB. but cards that stand out to me so far are Vault skirge, phyrexian metamorph, and hex parasite. hex parasite is mad good, he is annoying as hell. the 2 major shrines that will see play, the white one and red one, those things are brutal, but hex parasite comes down and eats them right up, kills tumble magnets, chalices, sphere of the suns, planeswalkers....god he is amazing so far. Phyrexian metamorph is a HOUSE! saved my but so many times, copying inferno titans, opposing vault skirges, then buffing with tezz -1, lotus cobras, stoneforge mystics.....lol. the guy is amazing to say the least.
my build runs spellskites, i was going to run precursor golem, but i was told if you want to save your golems with spellskite, you have to pay to redirect the copied spells, is it true the spell is immediately copied when they cast it to target precursor?
my build runs spellskites, i was going to run precursor golem, but i was told if you want to save your golems with spellskite, you have to pay to redirect the copied spells, is it true the spell is immediately copied when they cast it to target precursor?
my build runs spellskites, i was going to run precursor golem, but i was told if you want to save your golems with spellskite, you have to pay to redirect the copied spells, is it true the spell is immediately copied when they cast it to target precursor?
I would think that when an opponent targets Precursor with a spell, you'd have a chance to respond before the Precursor's ability triggers on the stack. So if an opponent bolts a Precursor, you'd be able to redirect it to Spellskite before the trigger of the Precursor hits the stack. I could be wrong though.
I would think that when an opponent targets Precursor with a spell, you'd have a chance to respond before the Precursor's ability triggers on the stack. So if an opponent bolts a Precursor, you'd be able to redirect it to Spellskite before the trigger of the Precursor hits the stack. I could be wrong though.
the bolt will target percursor.
it will get copied for each golem.
u will spellskite one or all bolts. they will target spellskite.
so the trigger effect of bolt being copied cannot be undone (without stifle as someone said above) but u can respond to each bolt.
i think.
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I don't think anybody has posted this yet, and I've seen a few people confused about the math, so hopefully this helps. This is the probability Y that you hit at least one artifact off a Tezzeret, assuming that there are X artifacts left in your deck out of a total of 50. This is meant to show the probability of you not missing completely the first time you activate him.
my build runs spellskites, i was going to run precursor golem, but i was told if you want to save your golems with spellskite, you have to pay to redirect the copied spells, is it true the spell is immediately copied when they cast it to target precursor?
its more like 6 life if you want to save all ur golems
you probably have 1-2U open, it won't always cost 6 life. This point aside, can you re-direct all the bolts at once, or will you need two spellskites on the board to save all the golems? also, how often do we need to actually save all the golems?
The stack will let you put all 3 bolts onto a single Spellskite, because it won't start taking damage until the stack starts to resolve, the leftover bolt will fizzle.
Precursor Golem, while being a house, is losing face to be honest. It hardly compares to Phyrexian Metamorph which is far better in that 2 of slot. Sure he does not put out extra guys but he gives you so many toolbox options that blue has never really had before (in creatures) that it is just sickening.
My 2 cents is that Precursor Golem no longer has a home with Tezzeret unless you are maind decking something like Turn Aside, which is a horrid card.
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Some other SB possibilities:
Disfigure (Dismember?)
Cranial Extraction (Sadistic Sacrament?)
Ratchet Bomb
Hex Parasite
What is the main idea?
I believe that Torpor Orb is a viable MD card in today's metagame, as it hoses a lot of opposing strategies - on the play, possibly even faster than the opponent has counter mana up. The natural companion to 2cc non-creature artifact, then, is Tezzeret. When looking for creatures which do not suffer from Torpor Orb, Phyrexian Obliterator from New Phyrexia is a powerhouse. The mana base has had to bend a bit in order to incorporate Tezzeret & P.Obliterator into the same deck, but this seems to be manageable. With ETB abilites blocked, but with too little blue mana to run a proper countersuite, Spellskite is a logical choice for a 2drop blocker and protector of both Torpor orb and late-game creatures. Since the curve stops at 4, I am experimenting with Dark Tutelage to gain card advantage over the opponent.
The weakest MD slots:
Porcelain Legionnaire (well, it races and blocks decently, and is a non-black creature)
Phylactery Lich (decent stats, but Torpor Orb is counterproductive)
Plans against main obstacles:
1) Stoneforge Mystic & Sword of Feast and Famine:
- 4x Inquisition of Kozilek -> hit Sword or Mystic
- 3x Torpor Orb (preferably T2 on the play)
- SB 4x P.Revoker
3) Valakut, Molten Pinnacle & Primeval Titan:
- 3x Torpor Orb
- 4x Inquisition of Kozilek (to take out one ramp spell)
- 5x creature removal against Lotus Cobra/Noble Hierarch/Birds of paradise
- 4x Spellskite to take some of the damage
- SB 4x Tectonic Edge
About the spellskite/bolt/golem issue, yes it would be 3 separate targets, so it would be UUU or 6 life, or some combination.
@ Karhumies -Vault skirge is pretty awesome in this deck. I would totally run him over Porcelain Legionnaire. Also, Torpor Orb maindeck just isn't necessary. Have you been able to obtain BBBB consistently for the Obliterator?
Does anyone here have an updated Mind Hammer build they'd like to share? The backbone would be similar to Sukenik's build I guess. Real changes I'd probably make is the inclusion of Sphinx, Spellskites and Preordains.
My 2 cents is that Precursor Golem no longer has a home with Tezzeret unless you are maind decking something like Turn Aside, which is a horrid card.
Precursor Golem still gives you wins off of the ultimate more than any other source. I think 2-3 golems are still almost mandatory in Tezzeret lists for this factor alone. Myr Battlesphere may get pushed out of consideration as a 1-of by the new options but Precursor Golem is still unique in what it offers the the list, both in terms of power for mana and for quickly getting to 5 artifacts to end the game on the ultimate.
Precursor Golem still gives you wins off of the ultimate more than any other source. I think 2-3 golems are still almost mandatory in Tezzeret lists for this factor alone. Myr Battlesphere may get pushed out of consideration as a 1-of by the new options but Precursor Golem is still unique in what it offers the the list, both in terms of power for mana and for quickly getting to 5 artifacts to end the game on the ultimate.
Such a poor argument for the inclusion of precurser golem. Tezzeret's ultimate is a game ended for sure, but his weakest ability by far in tue long run of things. Battlesphere is a way stronger booster to Tezzeret's ultimate in that it leaves dudes behind when he leaves play. Both I feel are very weak options for tezzeret because their utility is rather sub par and both are shaky win conditions for their cost to effectiveness
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Such a poor argument for the inclusion of precurser golem. Tezzeret's ultimate is a game ended for sure, but his weakest ability by far in tue long run of things. Battlesphere is a way stronger booster to Tezzeret's ultimate in that it leaves dudes behind when he leaves play. Both I feel are very weak options for tezzeret because their utility is rather sub par and both are shaky win conditions for their cost to effectiveness
Agreed.
as for phyrexian metamorph, I love the heck out of him. I ended up replacing precursor golems with vault skirges. i still dont like my new build, but ill continue testing and making changes as i go.
Vault Skirge is a black artifact that is removable by every burn spell in the meta. Until Sword of Feast and Famine goes away the skirges are going to be really iffy. Immunity to both Doom Blade and Go for the Throat is good but not being able to block or swing through a flyer equipped with SoFaF is a real weakness in this meta.
In any case Precursor Golem and Vault Skirge are not similar assets and can't be compared. You need to look at what finishes for the list and nothing finishes better than Precursor Golem at the moment. Myr Battlesphere has a wider scope but it comes down really late and so is a 1-of or not included.
LAND
4 Creeping Tar Pit
4 Darckslick Shores
8 Island
4 Swamp
4 Tectonic Edge
SIDEBOARD
2 Hammer of Ruin
1 Ratchet Bomb
1 Wurmcoil Engine
2 Black Sun's Zenith
3 Duress
2 Flashfreeze
2 Sphinx of Jwar Isle
2 Surgical Extraction
I've been considering Hex Parasite as a SB card for use against Planeswalkers. Also, what do you all think of Thopter Assembly in this deck? If the opponent doesn't kill it before your next turn, you get 5 1/1 flyers that can be turned into 5/5s or be used along with Tezz's ult.
Vault Skirge is a black artifact that is removable by every burn spell in the meta. Until Sword of Feast and Famine goes away the skirges are going to be really iffy. Immunity to both Doom Blade and Go for the Throat is good but not being able to block or swing through a flyer equipped with SoFaF is a real weakness in this meta.
In any case Precursor Golem and Vault Skirge are not similar assets and can't be compared. You need to look at what finishes for the list and nothing finishes better than Precursor Golem at the moment. Myr Battlesphere has a wider scope but it comes down really late and so is a 1-of or not included.
I playtested Precursor to no end, I have been playing him hard since Paris. He is strong, but his application is becoming increasingly limited as New Phyrexia sets in. There are just better cards to run for not only consistency but as well as overall strength. Sure, Vault Skirge does die to burn, but he also drops late game for one, making him SO easy to put a sword on in the same turn, even 2 swords. I get 5/5 flying life linking pro 4 color dude for 5 mana, who is a lot harder to remove then a Precursor Golem. Skirge is weak without swords or Tezzeret, but he combats aggro well, specially when complimented with spot removal and Spellskite. He works with the rest of the deck like a well oiled machine. Golem is out of my list, and he is out for good because my extensive testing has proven him to be less effective then he had previously been, even when sitting next to a Spellskite. Tezzeret's ultimate has also lost face with me because it is by far his weakest ability when it comes to general play. As a finisher it is amazing, against aggro it is amazing, but when it comes to the decks over all function and game plan, it is his weakest without a doubt.
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my build runs spellskites, i was going to run precursor golem, but i was told if you want to save your golems with spellskite, you have to pay to redirect the copied spells, is it true the spell is immediately copied when they cast it to target precursor?
i believe so yes.
I would think that when an opponent targets Precursor with a spell, you'd have a chance to respond before the Precursor's ability triggers on the stack. So if an opponent bolts a Precursor, you'd be able to redirect it to Spellskite before the trigger of the Precursor hits the stack. I could be wrong though.
the bolt will target percursor.
it will get copied for each golem.
u will spellskite one or all bolts. they will target spellskite.
so the trigger effect of bolt being copied cannot be undone (without stifle as someone said above) but u can respond to each bolt.
i think.
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yup, that sounds right
Yes, you do. but 2 life is a small price to pay!
you probably have 1-2U open, it won't always cost 6 life. This point aside, can you re-direct all the bolts at once, or will you need two spellskites on the board to save all the golems? also, how often do we need to actually save all the golems?
Precursor Golem, while being a house, is losing face to be honest. It hardly compares to Phyrexian Metamorph which is far better in that 2 of slot. Sure he does not put out extra guys but he gives you so many toolbox options that blue has never really had before (in creatures) that it is just sickening.
My 2 cents is that Precursor Golem no longer has a home with Tezzeret unless you are maind decking something like Turn Aside, which is a horrid card.
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Very Black Tezzeret Board Control / Beatdown
Land - 25
4x Creeping Tar Pit
4x Darkslick Shores
2x Drowned Catacomb
15x Swamp
1mana - 6
4x Inquisition of Kozilek
2x Disfigure (Dismember?)
2mana - 13
3x Torpor Orb
4x Spellskite
3x Porcelain Legionnaire (Spined Thopter?)
2x Go For the Throat
1x Doom Blade
3mana - 8
4x Tumble Magnet
2x Phylactery Lich (Gatekeeper of Malakir? Phyrexian Metamorph?)
2x Dark Tutelage
4mana - 8
4x Phyrexian Obliterator
4x Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas
(Creature count: 13C + 4Tezzeret)
(Artifact count: 7 non-creature + 7 creature)
SB - 15 (in progress!)
2x Black Sun's Zenith
1x Batterskull
4x Phyrexian Revoker
1x Torpor Orb
1x Grave Titan
2x Brittle Effigy
4x Tectonic Edge
Some other SB possibilities:
Disfigure (Dismember?)
Cranial Extraction (Sadistic Sacrament?)
Ratchet Bomb
Hex Parasite
What is the main idea?
I believe that Torpor Orb is a viable MD card in today's metagame, as it hoses a lot of opposing strategies - on the play, possibly even faster than the opponent has counter mana up. The natural companion to 2cc non-creature artifact, then, is Tezzeret. When looking for creatures which do not suffer from Torpor Orb, Phyrexian Obliterator from New Phyrexia is a powerhouse. The mana base has had to bend a bit in order to incorporate Tezzeret & P.Obliterator into the same deck, but this seems to be manageable. With ETB abilites blocked, but with too little blue mana to run a proper countersuite, Spellskite is a logical choice for a 2drop blocker and protector of both Torpor orb and late-game creatures. Since the curve stops at 4, I am experimenting with Dark Tutelage to gain card advantage over the opponent.
Core cards:
Tezzeret
Phyrexian Obliterator
Torpor Orb
Spellskite
The weakest MD slots:
Porcelain Legionnaire (well, it races and blocks decently, and is a non-black creature)
Phylactery Lich (decent stats, but Torpor Orb is counterproductive)
Plans against main obstacles:
1) Stoneforge Mystic & Sword of Feast and Famine:
- 4x Inquisition of Kozilek -> hit Sword or Mystic
- 3x Torpor Orb (preferably T2 on the play)
- SB 4x P.Revoker
2) Jace, TMS:
- 4x Creeping Tar Pit
- 4x Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas + non-creature artifact
- SB 4x P.Revoker
3) Valakut, Molten Pinnacle & Primeval Titan:
- 3x Torpor Orb
- 4x Inquisition of Kozilek (to take out one ramp spell)
- 5x creature removal against Lotus Cobra/Noble Hierarch/Birds of paradise
- 4x Spellskite to take some of the damage
- SB 4x Tectonic Edge
4) Generic aggro:
- 4x Spellskite
- 2x Disfigure / Dismember & 3x other creature removal
- 2x Phylactery Lich
- SB Back Sun's Zenith
5) Opposing Spellskite:
- Race their life loss
- Generally don't use Tezzeret's -1 ability when opponent has a Spellskite
The deck has not yet seen much serious playtesting.
Comments and questions are welcome.
@ Karhumies -Vault skirge is pretty awesome in this deck. I would totally run him over Porcelain Legionnaire. Also, Torpor Orb maindeck just isn't necessary. Have you been able to obtain BBBB consistently for the Obliterator?
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2 darkslick shore
2 creeping tarpit
3 swamp
3 island
4 tezzeret, agent of bolas
2 wurmcoil engine
2 spellskite
2 phyrexian metamorph
2 hex parasite
2 vault skirge
2 mox opal
4 everflowing chalice
2 contagion clasp
3 tumble magnet
1 sword of war and peace
1 sword of feast and famine
1 batterskull
2 black suns zenith
4 mana leak
4 preordain
2 tezzerets gambit
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You only have 2 outs G1 for twin decks, would def including some spot removal/bounce in there.
Precursor Golem still gives you wins off of the ultimate more than any other source. I think 2-3 golems are still almost mandatory in Tezzeret lists for this factor alone. Myr Battlesphere may get pushed out of consideration as a 1-of by the new options but Precursor Golem is still unique in what it offers the the list, both in terms of power for mana and for quickly getting to 5 artifacts to end the game on the ultimate.
Such a poor argument for the inclusion of precurser golem. Tezzeret's ultimate is a game ended for sure, but his weakest ability by far in tue long run of things. Battlesphere is a way stronger booster to Tezzeret's ultimate in that it leaves dudes behind when he leaves play. Both I feel are very weak options for tezzeret because their utility is rather sub par and both are shaky win conditions for their cost to effectiveness
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3 Spellskite
2 Wurmcoil Engine
3 Koth of the Hammer
4 Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas
2 Contagion Clasp
3 Everflowing Chalice
3 Galvanic Blast
2 Go for the Throat
3 Preordain
2 Slagstorm
4 Sphere of the Suns
3 Tumble Magnet
3 Creeping Tar Pit
4 Darkslick Shores
2 Dragonskull Summit
1 Island
7 Mountain
4 Scalding Tarn
1 Swamp
2 Tectonic Edge
Agreed.
as for phyrexian metamorph, I love the heck out of him. I ended up replacing precursor golems with vault skirges. i still dont like my new build, but ill continue testing and making changes as i go.
In any case Precursor Golem and Vault Skirge are not similar assets and can't be compared. You need to look at what finishes for the list and nothing finishes better than Precursor Golem at the moment. Myr Battlesphere has a wider scope but it comes down really late and so is a 1-of or not included.
ARTIFACTS:
4 Everflowing Chalice
1 Mindslaver
2 Spellskite
4 Sphere of the Suns
4 Tumble Magnet
1 Wurmcoil Engine
BLACK:
1 Duress
4 Go for the Throat
1 Surgical Extraction
BLUE:
4 Preordain
4 Stoic Rebuttal
2 Treasure Mage
PLANESWALKERS:
4 Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas
LAND
4 Creeping Tar Pit
4 Darckslick Shores
8 Island
4 Swamp
4 Tectonic Edge
SIDEBOARD
2 Hammer of Ruin
1 Ratchet Bomb
1 Wurmcoil Engine
2 Black Sun's Zenith
3 Duress
2 Flashfreeze
2 Sphinx of Jwar Isle
2 Surgical Extraction
I've been considering Hex Parasite as a SB card for use against Planeswalkers. Also, what do you all think of Thopter Assembly in this deck? If the opponent doesn't kill it before your next turn, you get 5 1/1 flyers that can be turned into 5/5s or be used along with Tezz's ult.
I playtested Precursor to no end, I have been playing him hard since Paris. He is strong, but his application is becoming increasingly limited as New Phyrexia sets in. There are just better cards to run for not only consistency but as well as overall strength. Sure, Vault Skirge does die to burn, but he also drops late game for one, making him SO easy to put a sword on in the same turn, even 2 swords. I get 5/5 flying life linking pro 4 color dude for 5 mana, who is a lot harder to remove then a Precursor Golem. Skirge is weak without swords or Tezzeret, but he combats aggro well, specially when complimented with spot removal and Spellskite. He works with the rest of the deck like a well oiled machine. Golem is out of my list, and he is out for good because my extensive testing has proven him to be less effective then he had previously been, even when sitting next to a Spellskite. Tezzeret's ultimate has also lost face with me because it is by far his weakest ability when it comes to general play. As a finisher it is amazing, against aggro it is amazing, but when it comes to the decks over all function and game plan, it is his weakest without a doubt.
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