I vote for 'yes' just to get the budget crap out of the standard deck creation forum. That forum is already crowded with garbage, and this would help to streamline it a little.
Yea I agree. It would make people happy on a bigger scale. I'm sure many people don't agree with it but want it to make everyone happy.
Yes.
Simply put, there is a need to figure out which not-as-good-as-Jace card has to be played over Jace in a specific deck. Not everybody can afford [or would like to spend ... eheh] $500 on their deck, and budget building is definitely ... it exists.
It has the side benefit of removing some of the crap from SDC.
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I think it would encourage new players to hop into a more competitive arena and give them more options then playset of Jace or Titans, etc. I wonder how many people think, "I could get back in and play some magic, oh wait, it's going to cost me $500 to play at my local fnm without getting rolled every time? Count me out."
There's definitely cheaper decks out there like RDW or Boros that are competitive enough and can still be effective even without some of the higher ticket items present. I wonder how much current card prices are driven up if people think they'll be competitive since the going rate for a competitive mythic is $40 per or $150 per set and people just accept that now.
The whole point of creating a budget forum would be to allow people to discuss current meta decks without the rules of the Developing and Competitive forums. If you create random formats such as Pauper or Uncommons only then you are just creating a whole new format not discussing or helping the people with budget problems in Standard tournaments.
If you want to discuss Pauper or other random formats just go to the casual section...
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It is about having fun, not chasing the bs rare that will probably be declared forbidden (banned) and should be.
There should be at least a budget forum with standard, extended, etc. No restrictions, just trying to save a few $$$ off of the top money decks. Any other subdivision of the formats/forums should be the preference of the individual poster to declare, if deciding to stick to some given format. One might say, "this deck falls within the xxx format parameters." At least one could say it is in the $50 to $100 price range, etc.
This forum would obviously include competitive decks, as no one plays to lose.
For fun decks, like slivers, or vampires (?), should be relegated to the casual forum.
I would really love a budget decks section. It's really hard to justify to my wife that I'd like to spend, in her words "HOW MUCH?", on a deck of cards, so I really need to think budget when I'm building decks.
I also think it's an interesting deckbuilding challenge. Can you make a competitive deck, that costs as much as 1 Primeval Titan? or 1 Jace TMS? It's not easy, but it's certainly do-able.
Yeah I could use such a forum now, I'm planning on going to states in Columbus the 9th and if I am unable to borrow the expensive cards from someone then I have to go with a budget build. But currently I'm not allowed to discuss budget in the competitive forums.
There needs to be a budget forum. (I thought there was one? Where did it go?) It has been proven that ~$100 decks can win large tournaments, such as BR Aggro and Runeflare Trap. However, no cheaper deck has competed at the top levels. I would say $100 should be the ballpark figure for budget decks that could potentially compete at the top level.
As far as pauper / non-rare decks, that's a pointless restriction that has as much to do with budget as it does playing a competely different format. Wall of Omens costs more than most rares. The focus should be on the overall deck cost being around $100 or less.
I definitely wouldn't. 150 might be hellishly unaffordable to one person while it may very well be "budget" to another. Better to let people specify their own budgets.
You still have to have some kind of number guideline. I'm not saying it should be a strictly enforced rule (i.e.: INFRACTION: $150.32 deck price!) but there should still be an agreed-upon standard for "what is budget?" Otherwise you have no consensus and won't be on the same page. I could see $150 for a 'budget' deck that was really trying hard to be tier 1, but even then, if there's no cheaper alternative for some of the expensive cards, then I don't think it qualifies as a budget deck. Sticking with my $100 ballpark figure.
It would be nice to have a place to discuss budget deck for an FNM for example. You do not always want to buy extra card for this kind of event and you want to build a deck with what you have (4 of each co/unco and 1 of each rare if you just buy 1 box / set)
I don't see why you can't build a competitive deck for 100 bucks or so. I also don't think spending 150 bucks is unreasonable if you expect to play in tournaments. They have kitchen table magic for a reason.
Yes, a budget section would be nice altough I agree with many poster here who stated that it's difficult to decide what budget is to anyone. I consider myself a budget player but it is okay for me to play fetches, garruks and eldrazi monuments and whatelse but I really don't want to play cards like Jace or Vengevine, where the singleton costs more than playsets of other already not so cheap cards.
As also already stated any player who makes decisions based upon card values is probagly a budgetplayer. Maybe it works if any player who opens a thread in the budget section explains which cards are still okay for them to get and which are out of bounds.
I don't I've ever played a competitive standard format where any single card was worth $50. I have to wonder if whether Rath-Mirrodin extended had even a single card worth that much.
I definitely wouldn't. 150 might be hellishly unaffordable to one person while it may very well be "budget" to another. Better to let people specify their own budgets.
This is exactly what should happen. A forum wide budget limit would 1, be completely unenforceable and 2, cause confusion and still leave people without a place to discuss their decks. The budget should be up to the poster.
As to what a budget deck is: It is any deck that doesn't play a certain card because of availability or price reasons. Not some arbitrary number created by forum goers or admins.
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Budget forums would be filled with casual jank. I still wouldn't have a place go if I just didn't want to buy a playset of Jace, but wanted to actually make a good deck.
I definitely wouldn't. 150 might be hellishly unaffordable to one person while it may very well be "budget" to another. Better to let people specify their own budgets.
i am underpaid and over worked and im having a baby lol, its really all about money managment and making good trades you get something really want and let go of good cards you don't really need.
i was playing pyromancer ascension for a couple of fnm's that deck was a good 120 give or take
i understand that this game takes money, and would love to make a deck for under 100. Realisticly i think at or around 150 would be a great range.
People get lucky and pull planeswalker's or bsa's you cant say hey you cant post here since your deck is worth over 100 just because they pulled a Jace, the Mind Sculptor
im not sayin the deck needs to be 150 that can be the limit.?
Yea I agree. It would make people happy on a bigger scale. I'm sure many people don't agree with it but want it to make everyone happy.
Simply put, there is a need to figure out which not-as-good-as-Jace card has to be played over Jace in a specific deck. Not everybody can afford [or would like to spend ... eheh] $500 on their deck, and budget building is definitely ... it exists.
It has the side benefit of removing some of the crap from SDC.
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There's definitely cheaper decks out there like RDW or Boros that are competitive enough and can still be effective even without some of the higher ticket items present. I wonder how much current card prices are driven up if people think they'll be competitive since the going rate for a competitive mythic is $40 per or $150 per set and people just accept that now.
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It is about having fun, not chasing the bs rare that will probably be declared forbidden (banned) and should be.
There should be at least a budget forum with standard, extended, etc. No restrictions, just trying to save a few $$$ off of the top money decks. Any other subdivision of the formats/forums should be the preference of the individual poster to declare, if deciding to stick to some given format. One might say, "this deck falls within the xxx format parameters." At least one could say it is in the $50 to $100 price range, etc.
This forum would obviously include competitive decks, as no one plays to lose.
For fun decks, like slivers, or vampires (?), should be relegated to the casual forum.
I also think it's an interesting deckbuilding challenge. Can you make a competitive deck, that costs as much as 1 Primeval Titan? or 1 Jace TMS? It's not easy, but it's certainly do-able.
As far as pauper / non-rare decks, that's a pointless restriction that has as much to do with budget as it does playing a competely different format. Wall of Omens costs more than most rares. The focus should be on the overall deck cost being around $100 or less.
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I myself am a budget player and $150 should be the point.
besides, im pretty sure most of use have bought packs already. You're bound to get at least a Fauna Shaman or a fetchland
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I definitely wouldn't. 150 might be hellishly unaffordable to one person while it may very well be "budget" to another. Better to let people specify their own budgets.
It would be nice to have a place to discuss budget deck for an FNM for example. You do not always want to buy extra card for this kind of event and you want to build a deck with what you have (4 of each co/unco and 1 of each rare if you just buy 1 box / set)
As also already stated any player who makes decisions based upon card values is probagly a budgetplayer. Maybe it works if any player who opens a thread in the budget section explains which cards are still okay for them to get and which are out of bounds.
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I am in support of a budget section
This is exactly what should happen. A forum wide budget limit would 1, be completely unenforceable and 2, cause confusion and still leave people without a place to discuss their decks. The budget should be up to the poster.
As to what a budget deck is: It is any deck that doesn't play a certain card because of availability or price reasons. Not some arbitrary number created by forum goers or admins.
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Budget forums would be filled with casual jank. I still wouldn't have a place go if I just didn't want to buy a playset of Jace, but wanted to actually make a good deck.
i am underpaid and over worked and im having a baby lol, its really all about money managment and making good trades you get something really want and let go of good cards you don't really need.
i was playing pyromancer ascension for a couple of fnm's that deck was a good 120 give or take
i understand that this game takes money, and would love to make a deck for under 100. Realisticly i think at or around 150 would be a great range.
People get lucky and pull planeswalker's or bsa's you cant say hey you cant post here since your deck is worth over 100 just because they pulled a Jace, the Mind Sculptor
im not sayin the deck needs to be 150 that can be the limit.?
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