I tested it against Jund from the last 5k that people at the card store netdecked so the jund from this 5k might have changed, but im guessing it didnt because honestly in jund what is there to change, add more terminate, fleshbag maindecked, run burst lightnings, the jund basis imo is pretty much the same with a few tiny changes
I wasnt testing top 8 nissa list because I dont know what it is. How could I know the top 8 nissa list 3 weeks before the nashville 5k? I was just testing my own mono green eldrazi jund, which is much worse without the nissa and elf synergy, but still had a very favorable matchup vs jund.
Maindecking GSS, that is the moral of the story here. Try it.
So pretty much what your saying is..
The extent of your testing was a Monument list that wasn't the one at Nashville against a Jund list that wasn't the latest.
I mean, I agree that GSS is great against jund. But I don't see why you're lambasting this dude for saying he just tested a list when you haven't tested it either.
The extent of your testing was a Monument list that wasn't the one at Nashville against a Jund list that wasn't the latest.
I mean, I agree that GSS is great against jund. But I don't see why you're lambasting this dude for saying he just tested a list when you haven't tested it either.
Im not lambasting him. Im not saying he's a bad player. He just asked if I thought the list he posted was different from the one at the 5k. I told him yes the monogreen without GSS would have alot more trouble with Jund and if you maindeck 4 GSS the matchup becomes much more in your favor.
I am just going to out on a limb right now and say they 3 nissa decks in the top 8 have GSS maindecked.
Im not lambasting him. Im not saying he's a bad player. He just asked if I thought the list he posted was different from the one at the 5k. I told him yes the monogreen without GSS would have alot more trouble with Jund and if you maindeck 4 GSS the matchup becomes much more in your favor.
I am just going to out on a limb right now and say they 3 nissa decks in the top 8 have GSS maindecked.
you are playing against nubs who are running different deck lists from the 5k.
Aaaand you don't even know the 5k Jund list. Someone posted on the other 5k list that their group's modified Jund list (changed from the Philly 5k list) beasts the Nissa Monument matchup 70/30.
In short, yes, frychikn's list is suboptimal. [EDIT: Oh he also had it in the board. So if Nissa Monument rolls Jund with GSS mained, should he still go 2-1?] But you can't say either A) what list the jund decks he played ran or B) what the Nashville Jund lists ran.
And why do you call Vampires twilight.dec? Respect other players and just call it what it is.
Second, about the Jund and Elves matchup. I did beat elves today twice to zero, but that was because I drew double blightning and then Elf into another blightning. That's not the point, look, elves is a nice deck. I don't see where the removal is, sure, wild hunt is great, but that is an easy target for Jund [Pulse, Bolt, Terminate, Bit Blast] Everybody is saying that it is GG when elves drop monument, but against any deck, isn't that GG? I love that Jund is getting a test but I don't see elves staying around for long. My best example is Boros. Everybody and their mother's were playing this deck. It died in a couple weeks.
Get the deck while you can, I'm not, but we'll see how long it lasts.
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Im not lambasting him. Im not saying he's a bad player. He just asked if I thought the list he posted was different from the one at the 5k. I told him yes the monogreen without GSS would have alot more trouble with Jund and if you maindeck 4 GSS the matchup becomes much more in your favor.
I am just going to out on a limb right now and say they 3 nissa decks in the top 8 have GSS maindecked.
Come back and mock and insult me if I'm wrong.
Mock/insults go here.
There was a GW Eldrazi deck. Oh snap. Splashed for Path. Guess how many GSS maindecked? 0? And not even 4 in the board (3 to be fair)?
In fact, the other two lists ran 3 in the main as well.
Nobody cares about top 16, if elves didn't make three top eights, nobody would be talking about it.
Yes, people do care about the top 16, it allows for more data gathering and a better picture of what did well. Many articles that analyze an event will go beyond the top 8. If nobody cared about the top 16, why would places like star city even bother posting more than first 8?
Yes, people do care about the top 16, it allows for more data gathering and a better picture of what did well. Many articles that analyze an event will go beyond the top 8. If nobody cared about the top 16, why would places like star city even bother posting more than first 8?
Your not getting my point, but you will eventually.
Your not getting my point, but you will eventually.
Great Stable Stag is great in the metagame right now. It gives Jund a problem and vampires.
I know. I was saying that the green elves would be running 4 maindecked GSS before the decklists came out and people told me I had no idea what I was talking about. Then some schmoe called me out saying "these lists had only 3 GSS maindecked, you are an idiot"
GSS is great, at worse game 1 he is a 3/3 for 3 and you can just side him out if opponent isnt running black or blue
I know. I was saying that the green elves would be running 4 maindecked GSS before the decklists came out and people told me I had no idea what I was talking about. Then some schmoe called me out saying "these lists had only 3 GSS maindecked, you are an idiot"
GSS is great, at worse game 1 he is a 3/3 for 3 and you can just side him out if opponent isnt running black or blue
Yeah great.. I'm just some schmoe that was pointing out you were wrong, and taking you up on your sarcastic agreement. Which you made with me.
I don't dispute that you were right about GSS being good in the Jund matchup. Because I never disputed that. All I was saying is that you had done 0 testing with the lists because they simply hadn't been out yet. And even then it depends on the jund list. You just keep saying the same thing over and over again without showing testing results or anything.
I'm not calling you out because you're wrong, I'm calling you out because you were just being flamey when some other guy asks for proof.
Also you didn't say anything about mono-greenness.. you just said that you'd "go out on a limb" and say that "all three Nissa decks in the top 8" were running GSS maindecked.
Yeah great.. I'm just some schmoe that was pointing out you were wrong, and taking you up on your sarcastic agreement. Which you made with me.
I don't dispute that you were right about GSS being good in the Jund matchup. Because I never disputed that. All I was saying is that you had done 0 testing with the lists because they simply hadn't been out yet. And even then it depends on the jund list. You just keep saying the same thing over and over again without showing testing results or anything.
I'm not calling you out because you're wrong, I'm calling you out because you were just being flamey when some other guy asks for proof.
Also you didn't say anything about mono-greenness.. you just said that you'd "go out on a limb" and say that "all three Nissa decks in the top 8" were running GSS maindecked.
I have been playtesting mono-green eldrazi for 3 weeks, only without the elves and Nissa, stuff like Thornling and River Boa instead-even that does decently vs Jund, a good reason is GSS so i assumed Nissa had 4 GSS maindecked based on my own experience with mono green.
I have been playtesting mono-green eldrazi for 3 weeks, only without the elves and Nissa, stuff like Thornling and River Boa instead-even that does decently vs Jund, a good reason is GSS so i assumed Nissa had 4 GSS maindecked based on my own experience with mono green.
Okay yeah, I got that part I think. I respect the testing you have done.
I'm sure Nissa-less monogreen eldrazi is interesting, esp. river boa, but it's still a different deck.
And I STILL think GSS is good in the jund matchup.
So pretty much what your saying is..
The extent of your testing was a Monument list that wasn't the one at Nashville against a Jund list that wasn't the latest.
I mean, I agree that GSS is great against jund. But I don't see why you're lambasting this dude for saying he just tested a list when you haven't tested it either.
Im not lambasting him. Im not saying he's a bad player. He just asked if I thought the list he posted was different from the one at the 5k. I told him yes the monogreen without GSS would have alot more trouble with Jund and if you maindeck 4 GSS the matchup becomes much more in your favor.
I am just going to out on a limb right now and say they 3 nissa decks in the top 8 have GSS maindecked.
Come back and mock and insult me if I'm wrong.
i dont think GSS board (which it would be on the list i showed) vs main would make the matchup go from 70/30 to 50/50.
cus i did lose games 2/3 against jund...
No.. what you said was this:
Aaaand you don't even know the 5k Jund list. Someone posted on the other 5k list that their group's modified Jund list (changed from the Philly 5k list) beasts the Nissa Monument matchup 70/30.
In short, yes, frychikn's list is suboptimal. [EDIT: Oh he also had it in the board. So if Nissa Monument rolls Jund with GSS mained, should he still go 2-1?] But you can't say either A) what list the jund decks he played ran or B) what the Nashville Jund lists ran.
And why do you call Vampires twilight.dec? Respect other players and just call it what it is.
Second, about the Jund and Elves matchup. I did beat elves today twice to zero, but that was because I drew double blightning and then Elf into another blightning. That's not the point, look, elves is a nice deck. I don't see where the removal is, sure, wild hunt is great, but that is an easy target for Jund [Pulse, Bolt, Terminate, Bit Blast] Everybody is saying that it is GG when elves drop monument, but against any deck, isn't that GG? I love that Jund is getting a test but I don't see elves staying around for long. My best example is Boros. Everybody and their mother's were playing this deck. It died in a couple weeks.
Get the deck while you can, I'm not, but we'll see how long it lasts.
Mock/insults go here.
There was a GW Eldrazi deck. Oh snap. Splashed for Path. Guess how many GSS maindecked? 0? And not even 4 in the board (3 to be fair)?
In fact, the other two lists ran 3 in the main as well.
Perhaps you didn't see that there were three Boros Bushwacker decks in the top 16?
Nobody cares about top 16, if elves didn't make three top eights, nobody would be talking about it.
Yes, people do care about the top 16, it allows for more data gathering and a better picture of what did well. Many articles that analyze an event will go beyond the top 8. If nobody cared about the top 16, why would places like star city even bother posting more than first 8?
omg they ran 3 GSS instead of 4 I am a goddamn moron:facepalm:
Also i was talking about mono green nissa, not GW nissa which ive never seen before
Your not getting my point, but you will eventually.
Great Stable Stag is great in the metagame right now. It gives Jund a problem and vampires.
I know. I was saying that the green elves would be running 4 maindecked GSS before the decklists came out and people told me I had no idea what I was talking about. Then some schmoe called me out saying "these lists had only 3 GSS maindecked, you are an idiot"
GSS is great, at worse game 1 he is a 3/3 for 3 and you can just side him out if opponent isnt running black or blue
Yeah great.. I'm just some schmoe that was pointing out you were wrong, and taking you up on your sarcastic agreement. Which you made with me.
I don't dispute that you were right about GSS being good in the Jund matchup. Because I never disputed that. All I was saying is that you had done 0 testing with the lists because they simply hadn't been out yet. And even then it depends on the jund list. You just keep saying the same thing over and over again without showing testing results or anything.
I'm not calling you out because you're wrong, I'm calling you out because you were just being flamey when some other guy asks for proof.
Also you didn't say anything about mono-greenness.. you just said that you'd "go out on a limb" and say that "all three Nissa decks in the top 8" were running GSS maindecked.
I have been playtesting mono-green eldrazi for 3 weeks, only without the elves and Nissa, stuff like Thornling and River Boa instead-even that does decently vs Jund, a good reason is GSS so i assumed Nissa had 4 GSS maindecked based on my own experience with mono green.
Okay yeah, I got that part I think. I respect the testing you have done.
I'm sure Nissa-less monogreen eldrazi is interesting, esp. river boa, but it's still a different deck.
And I STILL think GSS is good in the jund matchup.
i do too. That's why I said I bet the Nissa Monument decks are maindecking it.