I've been asked not to post the list. Sorry guys, you'll see on thursday, when all the champs lists go up. They should be up by then at least.
Lesurgo, the deck looks kind of ordinary, but slightly more disruptive. It's very similar to the dragonstorm deck I was testing, and I couldn't race zoo with it. The person playing dstorm is 1960, so it wasn't for lack of skill. Interesting, I'll try it out.
I've been asked not to post the list. Sorry guys, you'll see on thursday, when all the champs lists go up. They should be up by then at least.
LOL - that has to be the worst "top secret tech" I've ever seen and is amusing. You'd think that as a deck author, you'd do everything you can to get a decklist out before it becomes "Flores XXXXXX" or gets lost in the shuffle. Not that I care, but I would recommend to anyone to get your lists out as fast as possible after a result (and I am speaking from experience) so that someone else doesn't take credit for your accomplishment (especially if it's something new and original).
This just in: The unknown deck is none other then...... Battle of Wits.
As anyone who frequents these forums can tell you, this result amuses me more then anything!! =).
To confirm, the finals of FL States was a Glare Mirror, and one of my friends from a draft group at the University of Florida was on the losing end of it. He admits it was a legitimate loss with bad plays by him. Two quotes sum it up: "He has Pendelhaven?!" and "He has Vitu-Ghazi?!"
His opponent legitimately had them in play, btw.
Knute (my friend) thought the Pendelaven was a Forest, so he attacks with a Selesnya Guildmage (not enough mana to pump it) and it runs into what becomes a 2/3 saproling. This elicits the first quote. The second quote was spewed when his opponent had no blockers. Knute swings (not for lethal) and runs into a fresh-out-of-the-Vitu-Ghazi-oven saproling.
On the bright side, he went 7-2 and got in as the 8th seed. In the quarters he plays against what I think is his worst matchup - Dragonstorm. The same guy he played beat him 2-0 in the Swiss. At any rate, he wins game 1 (Hey, thanks for the three 2/2s, I'll Devouring Light your Hunted Dragon), then game 2 sides in his only copy of Ivory Mask. Turn 3, he drops the Ivory Mask, THE TURN BEFORE HIS OPPONENT WOULD HAVE GONE OFF.
And that's how you beat Dragonstorm. Render the Hellkites useless.
If someone could fill in the blanks here, that'd be great:
1st: Glare
2nd: Glare
3rd-8th: Dragonstorm, U/W Control, (four unknowns)
I went 2-3 before dropping with Karsten-Bot. Let it be known that I fail at sideboarding.
From what I recall there was at least one Mono-Green list in there, along with another Glare list. I assume the other Glare player was Julian?
(I can officially say that I'm glad that the only losses I had during my day was to Knute in the last round, Julian and the Mono-Green guy. At least I can say "Oh yeah, my only losses came from the people that T8'd." )
Solitaire there where 3 glare decks. One of those was Julian's. I think Knutt played the boros deck the first round of top 8. Julian also played against a solar pox deck (i think) in the semis. Julian wrecked with Avoid Fate. That card is just so good.:o hope that helps. Also there was 243 people there not 244 as was annouced.
LOL - that has to be the worst "top secret tech" I've ever seen and is amusing. You'd think that as a deck author, you'd do everything you can to get a decklist out before it becomes "Flores XXXXXX" or gets lost in the shuffle. Not that I care, but I would recommend to anyone to get your lists out as fast as possible after a result (and I am speaking from experience) so that someone else doesn't take credit for your accomplishment (especially if it's something new and original).
As anyone who frequents these forums can tell you, this result amuses me more then anything!! =).
I didn't make the deck, Kowal did. He then gave it to flores, who gave it to julian, asher, and paul jordan. It's already becoming Flores XXXXXXX As he won with it. Bascially it's his deck to reveal not mine. It's really good but I don't think it's the end alll be all of the format.
SRdude: its kindof funny because i was actually working on a lightning angel deck that looks a lot like yours from what i can tell until the day before states. then for some reason i decided to be retarded and play the firemane control that was in flores last article so my friend can play my lightning angel deck. basically i got screwed because my deck was good against aggro decks and i tied against a uw control first round. not until like 4 bad matchups later i relized that because i tied first round i was paired against other people that tied. sadly aggro decks dont tie. so i got screwed. also i metagamed wrong because our states was full of control. the friend i gave my lighting angel deck to wasnt the best of players so he didnt use the deck to its full potential. if i was to play the tournament over again i would play lightning angel or wu control with tech to handle turn two three drops.
I too was working on a URW aggro control deck running 10 angels before I trashed it in favour of UGW. I felt that call of the herd and loxodon heirarch were just better than serra avenger and lightning angel (they share stats, though you have more potential card advantage with the call over the angel, and the drops don't conflict).
I'm glad that the URW deck ended up being good though, if I had had the opportunity to do more testing, I likely would have ended up playing it, but I decided to dedicate my minimal testing time to a deck that I was more confident in from the get-go.
Let it be known, however, that while flores might be the first person to win with the deck, it is far from an original concept, I'm sure everyone considered the deck, and a few even tested it.
I know Ender Wiggen already posted his blurb about Nebraska States, we had 92 in attendance. I went 5-2 (11th Place) with a very aggressive U/G deck that suprised a lot of people, and was a blast to play.
ok i'm fairly sure i have recreated the U/G aggro-control deck from ny top 8 i was speaking with the gentelman after he beat a glaredeck to make top 8 and he allowed me to look thru it as it was a build i was unfamilar with and i REALLY liked the way it looked, he was using some gemstone mines for manafixing as he did mention he didn't have enough costs and breeding pools. heres the deck as best i can recreat it(i really liked it and am waiting to see the full list)
now i did get to look thru his deck and we talked a bit i am certain its 2 drifter as i commented how much i liked the idea, it may have been 1 less plaxmanta and 1 more moldervine. it was a sweet site to see 2 vipers and a looter hit, reslove viper, resolve viper, resolve looter and discard, a great way to keep a full hand
I made 6th at Florida Champs, but that's apparently already posted so I won't bother sharing my list. It was nice though-solid UW control. I lost a total of 4 games the entire 10 rounds.
From what I recall there was at least one Mono-Green list in there, along with another Glare list. I assume the other Glare player was Julian?
(I can officially say that I'm glad that the only losses I had during my day was to Knute in the last round, Julian and the Mono-Green guy. At least I can say "Oh yeah, my only losses came from the people that T8'd." )
Did monogreen t8? I beat that, but I don't remember it t8ing. I think Solar Pox, Dragonstorm, Glare, Glare, and UW...then I don't know.
And Julian's a house. He's beat me in every sanctioned match I've ever played vs. him.
oh on a sde note, i beat 3 rakdos/satanic sligh decks during the torny not losing a single game to them, WWr(NOT BOROS!) destroys that deck 100% of the time. i played 4 others just for fun on the side, all 7 were slightly diffrent in various ways, be it magus of scrool or shadow guildmage, 2 deserts no deserts etc, i DID NOT LSOE A GAME in the torny or out, if it turns out as a powerful archtype WWr will be extremly powerful in stoping it
in all honesty, the guy who won was playing a bad deck. never in my life have i seen someone draw so perfectly. he had no right to win that game. his deck was bad and he didn't know what he was doing.
dont listen to sondike. He got outplayed in the finals even though he mised. His opponent just played so tight, and his cards were just better than Dan's. Dan is just bitter because he drew all gas while his opponent drew land after land on crucial turns AND DAN STILL LOST. Dan will probably change the story around but its not true, he was plainly nad simply outplayed, and no one should believe anything he says because he is a heartless boob.
dont listen to sondike. He got outplayed in the finals even though he mised. His opponent just played so tight, and his cards were just better than Dan's. Dan is just bitter because he drew all gas while his opponent drew land after land on crucial turns AND DAN STILL LOST. Dan will probably change the story around but its not true, he was plainly nad simply outplayed, and no one should believe anything he says because he is a heartless boob.
Alright guys - enough flaming please.
I was going to attend states in NC, but didn't due to my phone bill arriving earlier than planned. (curse you Verizon)
I ended up playing a draft, winning 1 pack, and pulling an Akroma, so no major loss...
I was very happy to see a mono-green build top 8 though. Gratz to that player!
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Did monogreen t8? I beat that, but I don't remember it t8ing. I think Solar Pox, Dragonstorm, Glare, Glare, and UW...then I don't know.
And Julian's a house. He's beat me in every sanctioned match I've ever played vs. him.
All I know is that my match vs. him was the only match that was overly one-sided. To be honest it's good to hear that he won out as I really want to know what he was running. The fact of the matter is that he was MDing things I was not expecting out of the Glare mirror at all and I really want to know in what proportions he was running them (especially the MD Indrik Stomphowlers that caught me off guard game one.)
And yeah, Mono-G did make it to the Top 8. Again that's another list I'd like to take a look at in more detail as it has potential...
Its really no big secret, I posted it already in the Dragonstorm thread. The Dragonstorm list was rock solid because it didn't have any of the junk people keep clogging it up with. It was sent to me by Ryan (Known online as Btape) and me and Brian just tweaked it very slightly. The post with the list is here. But for those that don't want to click, the decklist:
That decklist is amazing... in fact, the main deck is only 1 card off from what I played that went 6-2 in PA(I had a second Grozoth in place of 1 Gigadrowse, which was in the side). My sideboard was different though, I had Spell Snares which I absolutely loved having there as a one mana answer to Hide/Seek, most counterspells, and Shadow of Doubt. I just wish I wouldn't have gone up against that random discard kid in round 3, or I probably would've made top 8 here. Oh well, there's always next year, and for being the first time I've ever actually gone to states, I'm happy with how I did.
Gray Matter still hasn't put up the results for PA yet, but from what I've heard my earlier suspicions were correct and Solar Pox won here. As I said before, there were tons of them. I somehow managed to not play one all day though, and the only real control deck I played was BWr Firemane, which I crushed.
I finished 2nd in CA states (283 in attendance) with Scrub and Force. The details of the top 8 were already well covered early in this thread, but I can provide details of what I played during 9 rounds, as well as a decklist.
8 Forest
4 Breeding Pool
4 Yavimaya Coast
2 Island
1 Pendelhaven
4 Birds of Paradise
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Plaxmanta
4 Scryb Ranger
4 Yavimaya Dryad
3 Spectral Force
2 Mystic Snake
4 Call of the Herd
4 Psionic Blast
4 Remand
2 Gather Courage
2 Stonewood Invocation
SB
4 Repeal
3 Spike Feeder
3 Mana Leak
2 Gather Courage
1 Stonewood Invocation
1 Mystic Snake
1 Spectral Force
A friend of mine was playing virtually the same maindeck and went 7-0 in the first 7 rounds of swiss to draw into the Top 8; another fellow was running something pretty similar (with Mana Leak over Remand, Viper over Mystic Snake, and no Gather Courages) and finished 10th.
These account for, according to everyone I've talked to, the only three decks of this variety at California states out of 283 total. The worst finish was 10th place.
My swiss matchups:
1) UWR Tron - win
2) Solar Pox - win
3) Dragonstorm - win
4) Glare - win
5) Dutchie UG - loss (he made T4)
6) Scrub and Force with a little extra scrub - loss (he finished 10th)
7) UWR Vore - win
8) URG Sea Stompy - win
9) UR Tron - win
My breakers were pretty solid and I squeak in at 8th place.
Quarters: I massacre a Glare deck (pretty disgusting draws).
Semis: I massacre a Flare deck
Finals: I get an actual close matchup and lose game three when an aggressive mulligan doesn't work out for me.
I have submitted a report to starcity so more information about the deck will be available there when it's posted.
your build is really interesting and i'm glad spectral force did well at least in your area it's always looked like it had potential. curious though, you mentioned yavimaya coasts 2x, did you mean yavimaya dryad the 2nd time around?
your build is really interesting and i'm glad spectral force did well at least in your area it's always looked like it had potential. curious though, you mentioned yavimaya coasts 2x, did you mean yavimaya dryad the 2nd time around?
Yes, this was a typo. Fixed. I don't think I would have done very well with 8 Yavimaya Coasts and no Dryads
oh....and only 19 lands?
Correct. Try playing it, you'll see that 19 is plenty. Seemed like I got flooded more than I got screwed honestly.
I played the deck below at Seattle Champs. Myself and 2 others played it, all of us doing very well (and one of us, Caleb, getting 3rd). I would have been in the top 8 but I had to leave early.
after that I had to leave, with 2 rounds left. My next matchups would have been either Boros or UW control, both excellent matchups, so I am sure I would have top 8'ed.
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Lesurgo, the deck looks kind of ordinary, but slightly more disruptive. It's very similar to the dragonstorm deck I was testing, and I couldn't race zoo with it. The person playing dstorm is 1960, so it wasn't for lack of skill. Interesting, I'll try it out.
LOL - that has to be the worst "top secret tech" I've ever seen and is amusing. You'd think that as a deck author, you'd do everything you can to get a decklist out before it becomes "Flores XXXXXX" or gets lost in the shuffle. Not that I care, but I would recommend to anyone to get your lists out as fast as possible after a result (and I am speaking from experience) so that someone else doesn't take credit for your accomplishment (especially if it's something new and original).
As anyone who frequents these forums can tell you, this result amuses me more then anything!! =).
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From what I recall there was at least one Mono-Green list in there, along with another Glare list. I assume the other Glare player was Julian?
(I can officially say that I'm glad that the only losses I had during my day was to Knute in the last round, Julian and the Mono-Green guy. At least I can say "Oh yeah, my only losses came from the people that T8'd." )
I didn't make the deck, Kowal did. He then gave it to flores, who gave it to julian, asher, and paul jordan. It's already becoming Flores XXXXXXX As he won with it. Bascially it's his deck to reveal not mine. It's really good but I don't think it's the end alll be all of the format.
I'm glad that the URW deck ended up being good though, if I had had the opportunity to do more testing, I likely would have ended up playing it, but I decided to dedicate my minimal testing time to a deck that I was more confident in from the get-go.
Let it be known, however, that while flores might be the first person to win with the deck, it is far from an original concept, I'm sure everyone considered the deck, and a few even tested it.
too bad Flores' Angels is going to be the name...
4 x Yavimaya Coast
2 x Pendlehaven
6 x Island
4 x Forest
4 x Skarragan Pit-Skulk
4 x Plaxmanta
4 x Silhana Ledgewalker
4 x Call of the Herd
4 x Unstable Mutation
4 x Might of Old Krosa
4 x Mana Leak
2 x Remand
2 x Moldervine Cloak
Total Blast to play, and got a lot of heads turning, our top 8 decklists can be found at this link: http://magic.hobbytown.com/states.aspx
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now i did get to look thru his deck and we talked a bit i am certain its 2 drifter as i commented how much i liked the idea, it may have been 1 less plaxmanta and 1 more moldervine. it was a sweet site to see 2 vipers and a looter hit, reslove viper, resolve viper, resolve looter and discard, a great way to keep a full hand
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Did monogreen t8? I beat that, but I don't remember it t8ing. I think Solar Pox, Dragonstorm, Glare, Glare, and UW...then I don't know.
And Julian's a house. He's beat me in every sanctioned match I've ever played vs. him.
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in all honesty, the guy who won was playing a bad deck. never in my life have i seen someone draw so perfectly. he had no right to win that game. his deck was bad and he didn't know what he was doing.
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I was going to attend states in NC, but didn't due to my phone bill arriving earlier than planned. (curse you Verizon)
I ended up playing a draft, winning 1 pack, and pulling an Akroma, so no major loss...
I was very happy to see a mono-green build top 8 though. Gratz to that player!
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All I know is that my match vs. him was the only match that was overly one-sided. To be honest it's good to hear that he won out as I really want to know what he was running. The fact of the matter is that he was MDing things I was not expecting out of the Glare mirror at all and I really want to know in what proportions he was running them (especially the MD Indrik Stomphowlers that caught me off guard game one.)
And yeah, Mono-G did make it to the Top 8. Again that's another list I'd like to take a look at in more detail as it has potential...
2 Island
2 Plains
1 Adarkar Wastes
3 Boros Garrison
4 Hallowed Fountain
1 Izzet Boilerworks
4 Sacred Foundry
2 Steam Vents
4 Flagstones Of Trokair
Creatures:
4 Court Hussar
4 Firemane Angel
4 Lightning Angel
4 Serra Avenger
2 Azorius Signet
2 Boros Signet
1 Confiscate
4 Lightning Helix
4 Compulsive Research
4 Demonfire
4 Wrath Of God
3 Fortune Thief
4 Mana Leak
4 Repeal
4 Grand Arbiter Augustin IV
That decklist is amazing... in fact, the main deck is only 1 card off from what I played that went 6-2 in PA(I had a second Grozoth in place of 1 Gigadrowse, which was in the side). My sideboard was different though, I had Spell Snares which I absolutely loved having there as a one mana answer to Hide/Seek, most counterspells, and Shadow of Doubt. I just wish I wouldn't have gone up against that random discard kid in round 3, or I probably would've made top 8 here. Oh well, there's always next year, and for being the first time I've ever actually gone to states, I'm happy with how I did.
Gray Matter still hasn't put up the results for PA yet, but from what I've heard my earlier suspicions were correct and Solar Pox won here. As I said before, there were tons of them. I somehow managed to not play one all day though, and the only real control deck I played was BWr Firemane, which I crushed.
8 Forest
4 Breeding Pool
4 Yavimaya Coast
2 Island
1 Pendelhaven
4 Birds of Paradise
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Plaxmanta
4 Scryb Ranger
4 Yavimaya Dryad
3 Spectral Force
2 Mystic Snake
4 Call of the Herd
4 Psionic Blast
4 Remand
2 Gather Courage
2 Stonewood Invocation
SB
4 Repeal
3 Spike Feeder
3 Mana Leak
2 Gather Courage
1 Stonewood Invocation
1 Mystic Snake
1 Spectral Force
A friend of mine was playing virtually the same maindeck and went 7-0 in the first 7 rounds of swiss to draw into the Top 8; another fellow was running something pretty similar (with Mana Leak over Remand, Viper over Mystic Snake, and no Gather Courages) and finished 10th.
These account for, according to everyone I've talked to, the only three decks of this variety at California states out of 283 total. The worst finish was 10th place.
My swiss matchups:
1) UWR Tron - win
2) Solar Pox - win
3) Dragonstorm - win
4) Glare - win
5) Dutchie UG - loss (he made T4)
6) Scrub and Force with a little extra scrub - loss (he finished 10th)
7) UWR Vore - win
8) URG Sea Stompy - win
9) UR Tron - win
My breakers were pretty solid and I squeak in at 8th place.
Quarters: I massacre a Glare deck (pretty disgusting draws).
Semis: I massacre a Flare deck
Finals: I get an actual close matchup and lose game three when an aggressive mulligan doesn't work out for me.
I have submitted a report to starcity so more information about the deck will be available there when it's posted.
EDIT: typo
your build is really interesting and i'm glad spectral force did well at least in your area it's always looked like it had potential. curious though, you mentioned yavimaya coasts 2x, did you mean yavimaya dryad the 2nd time around?
oh....and only 19 lands?
Yes, this was a typo. Fixed. I don't think I would have done very well with 8 Yavimaya Coasts and no Dryads
Correct. Try playing it, you'll see that 19 is plenty. Seemed like I got flooded more than I got screwed honestly.
2 Quicksand
17 Swamp
4 Plagued Rusalka
4 Dark Confidant
4 Stromgald Cursader
3 Haakon, Stromgald Scourge
4 Mindslicer
4 Funeral Charm
4 Smallpox
4 The Rack
2 Loxodon Warhammer
3 Persecute
4 Sudden Death
4 Deathmark
4 Cremate
Round 1 vs. BG aggroish win 2-1
Round 2 Boros win 2-0
Round 3: Solar Pox win 2-0
Round 4: BRw Rakdos (at Table 1) win 2-0
Round 5: Dragonstorm (at Table 1) lose 0-2
Round 6: UGW control win 2-1
after that I had to leave, with 2 rounds left. My next matchups would have been either Boros or UW control, both excellent matchups, so I am sure I would have top 8'ed.
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