How does a card like Meddling Mage work in if Im playing MtG outside of a primarily English speaking country? Specifically these situations:
0. Do you have to name the English card name when casting something like Meddling Mage regardless of your location or native language?
1. Im a German player playing in the US for my first time, I know decent English, but I don't know the English card names. I cast Meddling Mage naming Riesenwuchs. Does that count, can I call a judge to get the English name if I describe the card to him?
3. Im in Mexico at a FNM where nobody speaks very good English, only enough know the English phrases for basic MtG terminology, etc. I play Meddling Mage naming Lightning Bolt. I don't know the Spanish word for the card, does naming the English name count? (also cell service here sucks so no gathering.com ing it on my phone)
Cards are uniquely identified by their english names. As far as the game is concerned, a Savage Summoning printed in english has the same name as one printed in any other language. If an effect asks you to name a card, you don't have to say its english name as long as you can clearly and uniquely identify it to your opponent. A judge would probably help you out with this.
Yeah, you don't even have to know the name in any language. So long as you can describe the card in enough detail that it uniquely identifies the card, you're good. A judge would always help you with this process.
"Meddling Mage naming that red instant that costs 1 red mana and deals three damage" is just as good as saying "Meddling Mage naming Lightning Bolt."
Yeah, you don't even have to know the name in any language. So long as you can describe the card in enough detail that it uniquely identifies the card, you're good. A judge would always help you with this process.
"Meddling Mage naming that red instant that costs 1 red mana and deals three damage" is just as good as saying "Meddling Mage naming Lightning Bolt."
They all cost R and deal 3 damage, so your description won't be accurate enough.
BTW what you say is right, the restriction when you "name a card" are:
1. uniquely identify the card you want to name
2. the named card must be legal in the format
So you cannot say "Wrath of God" when playing Standard (people use to say that when speaking of Supreme Verdict) and you cannot say "Liliana" when playing Modern (Liliana Vess, Liliana of The Dark Realms and Liliana of The Veil are all legal choices so the first name doesn't identify a single card). In the latter example you can say "that cmc3 Liliana".
Please note that this is not nitpicking and anything not following these rules will be an illegal declaration so you will have to re-declare something legal.
As for the OP, if you have a problem like that when playing I suggest you call a judge to help you out of the problem immediately, to avoid bigger problems later in the game.
^To be fair, it is nitpicking in the vast majority of games. When someone Needles Jace or Liliana in legacy, everyone knows what they're talking about. And as with most rules disputes if there is any confusion then player communication can likely sort it out without judges needing to intervene.
Oh, I thought he was talking about playing a spell that is countering a spell with counters on it as it comes into play, but I see you guys were just discussing whether he was flashing a creature with flash in order to flash a flashback or just flashing a creature with flash but not needing flash in order to flashback a spell without flash.
^To be fair, it is nitpicking in the vast majority of games. When someone Needles Jace or Liliana in legacy, everyone knows what they're talking about. And as with most rules disputes if there is any confusion then player communication can likely sort it out without judges needing to intervene.
It is, but when your opponent call for a judge you are the one that gets the penalty, so I suggest nitpicking on your part when naming the card
I don't think there's a penalty at regular or competitive for being imprecise in naming a card. "Jace" is not a legal card in any format, so it's the same thing as Doom Blading a Mirran Crusader: you took an action that wasn't legal, so they back it up to right before the illegal action was taken. If you strongly believe the player intentionally did it do mislead the opponent then that's obviously Cheating - Fraud which is a DQ, but I think the case in the OP is about simple communication errors.
Of course, you probably know far more about the IPG than me so if you could point out a section detailing an applicable punishment in this case then I'm sure everyone in the thread could use that information.
Oh, I thought he was talking about playing a spell that is countering a spell with counters on it as it comes into play, but I see you guys were just discussing whether he was flashing a creature with flash in order to flash a flashback or just flashing a creature with flash but not needing flash in order to flashback a spell without flash.
I don't think there's a penalty at regular or competitive for being imprecise in naming a card. "Jace" is not a legal card in any format, so it's the same thing as Doom Blading a Mirran Crusader: you took an action that wasn't legal, so they back it up to right before the illegal action was taken. If you strongly believe the player intentionally did it do mislead the opponent then that's obviously Cheating - Fraud which is a DQ, but I think the case in the OP is about simple communication errors.
Of course, you probably know far more about the IPG than me so if you could point out a section detailing an applicable punishment in this case then I'm sure everyone in the thread could use that information.
At competitive, if you violate a game rule, the infraction is a Game Play Error - Game Rule Violation. (section 2.5 from memory)
Not uniquely identifying a card falls under the 'fails to make a required choice, or makes an illegal choice' bullet point in the fix section.
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1) Underrated general that I can build around but the deck must work without him/her too.
2) Every card must be legal in both banlists.
3) No infinite combo that could win (and ruin) instantly a multiplayer game.
4) Synergy at all costs; stay on theme, avoid goodstuff.
"201.3. If an effect instructs a player to name a card, the player must choose the name of a card that
exists in the Oracle card reference (see rule 108.1) and is legal in the format of the game the player
is playing. (See rule 100.6.) If the player wants to name a split card, the player must name both
halves of the split card. (See rule 708.) If the player wants to name a flip card’s alternative name,
the player may do so. (See rule 709.) If the player wants to name the back face of a double-faced
card, the player may do so. (See rule 711.) A player may not choose the name of a token unless it’s
also the name of a card"
Just wanted to point out that this is actually wrong. After the release of Dragon's Maze this rule was updated for split cards. You now must name one half of a split card, not both.
201.3. If an effect instructs a player to name a card, the player must choose the name of a card that exists in the Oracle card reference (see rule 108.1) and is legal in the format of the game the player is playing. (See rule 100.6.) If the player wants to name a split card, the player must choose the name of one of its halves, but not both. (See rule 708.) If the player wants to name a flip card’s alternative name, the player may do so. (See rule 709.) If the player wants to name the back face of a double-faced card, the player may do so. (See rule 711.) A player may not choose the name of a token unless it’s also the name of a card
0. Do you have to name the English card name when casting something like Meddling Mage regardless of your location or native language?
1. Im a German player playing in the US for my first time, I know decent English, but I don't know the English card names. I cast Meddling Mage naming Riesenwuchs. Does that count, can I call a judge to get the English name if I describe the card to him?
2. Im in France and I again play Meddling Mage against a green player naming Invocation sauvage, but I only speak French so I use the French name. Which card can my opponent not cast? Feral Invocation or Savage Summoning or both?
3. Im in Mexico at a FNM where nobody speaks very good English, only enough know the English phrases for basic MtG terminology, etc. I play Meddling Mage naming Lightning Bolt. I don't know the Spanish word for the card, does naming the English name count? (also cell service here sucks so no gathering.com ing it on my phone)
"Meddling Mage naming that red instant that costs 1 red mana and deals three damage" is just as good as saying "Meddling Mage naming Lightning Bolt."
Actually:
Chain Lightning
Fever Charm
Lava Spike
Lightning Bolt
Strafe
They all cost R and deal 3 damage, so your description won't be accurate enough.
BTW what you say is right, the restriction when you "name a card" are:
1. uniquely identify the card you want to name
2. the named card must be legal in the format
So you cannot say "Wrath of God" when playing Standard (people use to say that when speaking of Supreme Verdict) and you cannot say "Liliana" when playing Modern (Liliana Vess, Liliana of The Dark Realms and Liliana of The Veil are all legal choices so the first name doesn't identify a single card). In the latter example you can say "that cmc3 Liliana".
Please note that this is not nitpicking and anything not following these rules will be an illegal declaration so you will have to re-declare something legal.
As for the OP, if you have a problem like that when playing I suggest you call a judge to help you out of the problem immediately, to avoid bigger problems later in the game.
-regarding Snapcaster Mage.
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It is, but when your opponent call for a judge you are the one that gets the penalty, so I suggest nitpicking on your part when naming the card
You are right, btw the problem remains the same with 2 candidates fitting the description of a card.
Of course, you probably know far more about the IPG than me so if you could point out a section detailing an applicable punishment in this case then I'm sure everyone in the thread could use that information.
-regarding Snapcaster Mage.
Im not so sure about this rule, playing on MTGO would tell me otherwise (you can pithing needle black lotus in rtr drafts) is modo just special?
guess pithing needling a black lotus would be worthless even if they did have it.
At competitive, if you violate a game rule, the infraction is a Game Play Error - Game Rule Violation. (section 2.5 from memory)
Not uniquely identifying a card falls under the 'fails to make a required choice, or makes an illegal choice' bullet point in the fix section.
which is a hilarious idea, but doesn't work.
mana leak is always mana leak regardless of the language. it works the same way in every instance.
Yeah, it's awful. Don't know why such cards with the same name do actually exist.
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My own rules when building a Commander deck:
1) Underrated general that I can build around but the deck must work without him/her too.
2) Every card must be legal in both banlists.
3) No infinite combo that could win (and ruin) instantly a multiplayer game.
4) Synergy at all costs; stay on theme, avoid goodstuff.
Just wanted to point out that this is actually wrong. After the release of Dragon's Maze this rule was updated for split cards. You now must name one half of a split card, not both.
201.3. If an effect instructs a player to name a card, the player must choose the name of a card that exists in the Oracle card reference (see rule 108.1) and is legal in the format of the game the player is playing. (See rule 100.6.) If the player wants to name a split card, the player must choose the name of one of its halves, but not both. (See rule 708.) If the player wants to name a flip card’s alternative name, the player may do so. (See rule 709.) If the player wants to name the back face of a double-faced card, the player may do so. (See rule 711.) A player may not choose the name of a token unless it’s also the name of a card
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