"There's a mole. That's the only option; and if we can't trust each other, who can we trust?" There was clearly a tension in the air that had not been there before.
"Friends, no need to worry! There is always a bright side." Shockwave was trying his best to cheer up the team. "Let me make you some sandwiches. Eating always makes me feel better."
As Shockwave made his way to the kitchen, he tripped over a robot leg hanging out of the rubble in the corner. The momentum carried him directly into iRebel, knocking them both to the floor.
"Oops! I'm so sorry iRebel. Here, let me hel-" The blow came swiftly from behind.
"He's lost it. He's attacking Shockwave! Kill him!"
"I knew he couldn't be trusted. That buffoon."
"I'm sorry friends. I just wanted to make some sandwiches."
If everyone had remained calm for a few more seconds they would have realized it was an accident. Shockwave lay motionless on the ground. As the shock wore off, FIGHTING noticed the leg in the direction that Shockwave had come.
"What...have...we...done?"
Shockwave has died. He was:
Doctor Zoidberg, Town Delayer
Dr. Zoidberg is the loveable idiot of the Planet Express crew. You were originally hired to be the crew doctor but you never told anyone that you are a doctor of art history. You are very very poor and desperate for acceptance.
You’ve come to love earth as it has provided you a lot of personal freedom. Freedoms that you didn’t have on Decapod 10 and you’ll do whatever it takes to not return there. Through your daily routine you’ve heard that there are those planning on taking over Planet Express and you will destroy them. If you don’t bungle it and get killed first that is.
Zoidberg: “Fry, it's been years since medical school, so remind me. Disemboweling in your species: fatal, or non-fatal?”
Abilities:
You are a town delayer. Each night you may PM me the name of a player. That players actions will be delayed until the next night.
"I can't handle this anymore. If we've lost him..."
As the group makes it's way up to iRebel's room the realization hit them. He was gone.
As the door opened, the scene was almost peaceful. iRebel in his bed, arms folded and eyes closed, as if in deep in thought. A smile crossed a face or two, as that was the same pose you had seen him in countless times before. The only thing out of place in the room was the pillow lying on the floor.
"He's gone."
iRebel has died. He was:
Professor Farnsworth, Town Delivery Assigner and Doctor
At 172 years old you have seen some stuff. You’re also a little bit crazy, a little bit brilliant and a whole lot of honorary Globetrotter. As the owner and CEO of Planet Express you are in charge of the day to day operations. Or at least, you were. Now you have a whole crew that supports you and you just tell them where to deliver things.
Born in a prison you have lived a fruitful life but you are not willing to give it up yet. With the rumblings of a takeover popping up here and there you have doubled down on making Planet Express a profitable and reliable company. By any means necessary.
Abilities:
Doctor: Each night you may PM me the name of a player. That player will be saved from any attempted kills by some invention.
Delivery Assigner: Each night you may PM me the name of a planet listed below. You know that each planet corresponds with a player, but you don’t know which. That player will steal the shipment intended for that planet. (They will be given a random one shot ability)
You cannot deliver to yourself but you may use the delivery and the doctor abilities in the same night.
You may vote
Planets you may assign a delivery to:
Decapod 10
Earth
Osiris 4
Vergon 6
Neptune
Amphibious 9
Omicron Persei 8
Nintenduu 64
Robot Hell
Cyclopia
Vinci
Other Information:
Gender: Male
Species: Human
Planet: Tova 9
"There is no point anymore."
"Of course there is. We can't let iRebel's legacy fail. With all this tragedy we have to double down and right this ship."
The nods came one at a time. One of you will run Planet Express and rebuild it to it's former glory. One of you will carry on iRebel's memory. One of you will avenge them all.
Day 5 has begun.
With 5 players alive it takes 3 to lynch.
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Okay everyone, it's FIGHTING. It's FIGHTING, it's FIGHTING, it's FIGHTING, and it may also be Idle Muse which would put us in lylo, if that were true.
I KNOW it can't be Idle Muse alone because Shock was telling the truth. That would explain the multiple N2 kills... but I got roleblocked yesterday and Idle couldn't have done that so he'd have either needed an accomplice or there's someone else out there whose ability could also explain the delayed kill.
Look back over FIGHTING. Day 2 opens with the naked vote on Rhand and then basically stops contributing for the day. Notice the period of time where she could hammer Idle but wants to give it 24 hours (meanwhile Cythare shifts the momentum back toward Rhand). Compare that hammer approach with that of Yesterday where she quick hammered Shock, discussion and the day was ended. I had no opportunity to try to sway anyone back to her because the day was over so quickly.
Pay attention to when Cythare is CCed how she initially tries to shift the direction toward Rezombied prior to my expressing concern that she was in it with Cythare and then notice the change in her tone and approach entirely as she's all systems go on Cythare and now decides that she has to be the mafia Dr.
Her role prior to the mass claim just outed scum PRs and there's very little need for a role like that with a tracker and iRebel handing out abilities such as investigational ones.
I was roleblocked trying to find out her role (sure, it could be WIFOM but Idle couldn't have done it and I don't see Rez or Void doing that... much more likely she didn't want me to find out her role).
It's all there. Rezombied and Void, you are the other town players and I am pretty sure that Idle is her partner in crime but we know can't be scum alone. Please re-read FIGHTING and let's get a town win (with Idle being the other scum if the game doesn't end).
@Void and Rezombied - it's FIGHTING and Idle together and we're in lylo.
Opportunistic was Idle's hammer on Rhand when the discussion was starting to flow toward Cythare. Opportunistic was FIGHTING's hammer on Shockwave barely into the Day, not Void's vote on Shockwave.
If Idle was really trying to figure the game out, he'd be considering FIGHTING as being opportunistic for the hammer at the very least as well as Void, not just Void alone.
Mechanically it makes sense as well. Cythare was a human Dr and the town has two protective roles. It makes more sense that the scum team is at least mostly human and that Cythare would have multiple people to choose to protect from TK rather than just protecting the same person all game long.
I bet that Idle killed iRebel on Night 3, it got delayed by shock, and FIGHTING roleblocked me. Then the iRebel kill came through last night and iRebel protected correctly last night.
The only other explanation of events is that there's just one scum member left who can only roleblock or kill and they chose to roleblock me as opposed to kill anyone on N3. That strategy seems dubious but, if it were the case, I certainly don't see a scum player forgoing a kill solely to create WIFOM around FIGHTING's role, it would be because that player didn't want me to find out FIGHTING's role.
We know that it's not possible for Idle to be scum alone.
Rezombied's claim makes sense with the game and his reactions and votes accordingly make sense as well. He wasn't on the Shock wagon yesterday. He's town.
Void - meta read from Blue, sure, and I trust that a lot more with Blue having flipped town... but it also doesn't make sense for him to encourage me not to target Idle Muse with the role cop only to then roleblock me from targeting FIGHTING to create WIFOM around FIGHTING? If he's scum alone, why not just role block the role cop in general rather than keeping it off of Idle.
Plus - FIGHTING should be dead now. After the mass claim, her role is lethal to scum as it basically acts as a cop because she can verify if players are who they say they are. iRebel had FIGHTING and Shock as his two suspects, he clearly wasn't going to protect FIGHTING. With that kind of investigation ability after a mass claim, scum should have killed her by now.
Void and Rezombied, we need your votes on FIGHTING Today, when she flips scum, Idle Tomorrow.
Plus - FIGHTING should be dead now. After the mass claim, her role is lethal to scum as it basically acts as a cop because she can verify if players are who they say they are. iRebel had FIGHTING and Shock as his two suspects, he clearly wasn't going to protect FIGHTING. With that kind of investigation ability after a mass claim, scum should have killed her by now.
Would you please explain this better, DCIII? The whole thing.
Plus - FIGHTING should be dead now. After the mass claim, her role is lethal to scum as it basically acts as a cop because she can verify if players are who they say they are. iRebel had FIGHTING and Shock as his two suspects, he clearly wasn't going to protect FIGHTING. With that kind of investigation ability after a mass claim, scum should have killed her by now.
Would you please explain this better, DCIII? The whole thing.
FIGHTING's role can verify the roles of players so, after a mass claim, her role can verify if players were telling the truth about their role. That role is the same ability that I had as a one shot and was roleblocked, but she has it permanently.
iRebel was the doc, but he wasn't going to be protecting FIGHTING because FIGHTING was one of his two suspects (along with Shock... reread his lengthy post about it either being FIGHTING or Shock).
So if FIGHTING was town, there are two nights now where she's been left unscathed, unprotected by iRebel, with an ability that allows her to verify the mass claim.
You target someone and learn their abilities. So, if FIGHTING was town, she's being honest about there being a roleblocker out there so, since no one claimed roleblocker, she could find that out, thereby incriminating that player.
Same with me targeting her with mine, if she can do anything in addition to what she claimed, that would incriminate her because she didn't claim it.
If a claimed vanilla has any abilities then that's opposed to what they claimed, etc.
If any of the above were true, either Rezombied or Void would have hammered to win the game.
So, from my perspective, FIGHTING is the only player who could be on a scum team that has two players left. I.E. a FIGHTING lynch either nabs us scum (very likely) or doesn't end the game because there would be only one scum left otherwise.
We also know that Idle can't be scum alone because of Shockwave's delay and the roleblock on me.
If FIGHTING is scum and the game doesn't end after her lynch, then if her role has nothing about it that would account for an extra or delayed kill, then Idle HAS to be her accomplice.
If FIGHTING is somehow town, then there's only one scum member left and that person can't be Idle. If that's the case then it would have to be Rezombied or Void alone, in which case I'd think it would have to be Void - but that's a VERY unlikely scenario, IMO.
If the game doesn't end after a FIGHTING lynch and I'm the NK Tonight, please review this post.
Been prodded. Sorry I haven't been around. As I've said many times, RL is not kind to mafia (plus I'm modding a game off site and running.... a different event elsewhere on site is stealing my internet time).
But hey I've been in worse spots before so whatever.
I have some time Tonight so I'll see what I can do.
I have been harping on about the fact that there's only one scum left. However, I think there's another possibility based on what's happened so far Today. Before I get into that, let me compile the claimed Night actions and such here.
First, the player list.
FIGHTING: Smitty and URL, Role Cop
Idle Muse: Amy Wong, Vanilla
Rezombied: Bender, Bulletproof
DCIII: Robot Santa Vanilla
Void: Lrrr, Vanilla
TK-421: Morbo, Neutral Hitman
Cythare: Mom, Mafia doctor
Guardman: Nibbler, Tracker
Shockwave07: Zoidberg, Delayer
iRebel: Professor, Inventor/Doc
Blue Electric: Fry, Backup
Rhand: Kif, Vanilla
Second, the compilation of claimed Night actions:
N1
FIGHTING: Targeted rezombied, learned about a Doctor.
iRebel: Gifts BlueElectric, protects Guardman.
Shockwave: Delays Idle Muse
Cythare: Protects FIGHTING
No Night kill.
N2
FIGHTING: Targeted DCIII, learned about a Roleblocker.
iRebel: Gifts DCIII, protects DCIII
Shockwave: No action.
Cythare: Protects Shockwave.
Guardman and BlueElectric Night killed.
N3
FIGHTING: Targeted DCIII; confirmed him as Vanilla.
iRebel: Gifts Void
Shockwave: Delays Idle Muse
DCIII: Was roleblocked.
No Night kill.
N4
FIGHTING: Targeted rezombied, confirmed him as Bulletproof.
Void: Was roleblocked.
iRebel Night killed.
We have no information about Guardman's Night actions.
So that's that. We know that the dead players' actions are true (minus Cythare of course) but among the living I know the following are true as well: FIGHTING: Smitty and URL, Role Cop
Idle Muse: Amy Wong, Vanilla Rezombied: Bender, Bulletproof DCIII: Robot Santa Vanilla
Void: Lrrr, Vanilla
So Muse and Void are unconfirmed. If you're curious, I thought that rezombied might have been running a gambit with Cythare to create a role dichotomy and guarantee that one of them makes it into endgame if the other gets lynched... They had to realize that there would be town protective roles, but I couldn't ignore this possibility.
Anyway, I have a theory. DCIII is 100% correct that leaving me alive is an enormous liability for scum. If I happened to catch the scum, that's game over, town win. Right?
Here's the thing. My activity this game has been abysmal. This is my worst game pretty much ever (worse than Amistarian III—ok guys let's be real I am actually Megiddo). My RL circumstances translate directly into mafia and my RL has been incredibly busy and chaotic lately, which means that I just have not had the time and my posts have been pretty drive by. This puts me in an incredibly weak position. Ok?
This is what I think happened.
Void had a gift from iRebel, which he wisely decided not to reveal. The unknown is scary, and he could have had something to screw up the scum's plans at Night. So the scum decided to block him. iRebel got killed because, with his protection and the RB already being used, there was no way to guarantee a kill on anybody else. Plus, removing a PR helps POE.
So that leaves me. Why not block me when I could expose the last scum? Why not kill me when I am one of the most experienced players left and a PR?
It's because I have zero credibility. No matter my results, the scum knows that he can push a lynch on me today.
But that doesn't make sense with the one scum theory. When I flip, my results are guaranteed to be truthful and (should I have caught the scum), they are toast.
Therefore, the truth is that there actually are two scum, despite my thoughts to the contrary. This is the only thing that makes complete sense. Leaving me unhindered at Night only makes sense if we are in lylo right now.
We can take this conclusion a step further: DCIII and Idle Muse are the scum team.
I previously checked DCIII and confirmed that he is a vanilla. But, because of how my role works, that conclusion is consistent with DCIII being a goon.
This means that Idle Muse is the scum roleblocker and DCIII is a goon, with doctor Cythare rounding out the scumteam.
With that knowledge we can reconstruct the Night actions in full:
N1
FIGHTING: Targeted rezombied, learned about a Doctor.
iRebel: Gifts BlueElectric, protects Guardman.
Shockwave: Delays Idle Muse
Cythare: Protects FIGHTING
Idle Muse: Attempts to kill (Blue/Guardman), gets delayed.
No Night kill.
N2
FIGHTING: Targeted DCIII, learned about a Roleblocker.
iRebel: Gifts DCIII, protects DCIII
Shockwave: No action.
Cythare: Protects Shockwave.
Muse: Kills (Blue/Guardman).
Guardman and BlueElectric Night killed.
N3
FIGHTING: Targeted DCIII; confirmed him as Vanilla.
iRebel: Gifts Void
Shockwave: Delays Idle Muse
DCIII: Claims to have been roleblocked.
Idle Muse: Attempts to kill (???), gets delayed.
No Night kill.
N4
FIGHTING: Targeted rezombied, confirmed him as Bulletproof.
Void: Was roleblocked.
Muse: Roleblocks Void.
iRebel Night killed.
There are actually a lot of possibilities. N1, we can be 100% sure that Muse attempted the kill. Why did he do it? I'm not sure. It would make more sense for DCIII to do it. However, in this game any player can use multiple abilities a Night (I asked about this when iRebel claimed). So it's possible that they decided to have muse block and kill on the same Night, preserving DCIII's vanilla status for down the line in the presence of a potential tracker or watcher. That would mean that the RB got delayed (according to the OP, roleblocks come after delay).
N2 we see the evidence that the delay was used. Two kills, with zero other claimed ways to kill, indicates that this is what happened. With Shockwave confirmed as the delayer, we know for sure that he did successfully delay Muse. I doubt there are two delay effects in the game (one being scum obviously), so this can only make sense. Missing RB again, but it could have gone anywhere, as before. They may have tried to block+kill the same person two Nights in a row for all we know.
N3 we get the second delay on Muse, which should be the nail in the coffin for him and the confirmation that the game state is as I say. That means that there is once again no RB. DCIII couldn't fake his role cop yet at this point, so when the kill came back blank I'm sure he was glad to be able to claim that rather than have to narrow the field.
N4 is interesting. There was only one kill. But think back: Muse got delayed N3. There should have been two kills. Do you know what that means? It means that shockwave was the intended N3 kill. If iRebel was blocked N3 (and delayed into N4), there's no way that the kill could have been interrupted, so this is the only option. This also meant that the scum could kill freely last Night and use their RB on Void, leaving me alive to be framed as I have already stated.
DCIII pushed hard on me D4 while weakly pushing away from Shock. Muse had to push on Shockwave—he had to deflect from himself and create the possibility that he was town through doubt, otherwise he might get lynched as he was under heavy suspicion. DCIII tried to form a counterwagon on me but didn't count on Muse's arguments taking hold. My admittedly quick hammer sealed that, and somewhat ironically denied the scum an instant win.
And that brings us to D5. DCIII pushes strong on me, and Muse (after flopping about on Void) moves to me, putting me at L-1 and inadvertently tipping their hand. The bumrush on me was their plan. Don't fall for it. DCIII's arguments are purely predatory, trying to exploit my inactivity as well as pushing a crap argument about why I'm still alive which I have refuted several times over in this post. He has no legs to stand on.
Anyway, all of this is leading me to: Vote DCIII
I want to lynch DCIII over Muse Today. Why? Because my name is FIGHTING and I have a big dick. Join me in this fantastic town win that I have just created out of thin air. The scum are caught. We are done.
We will lynch Muse Tomorrow (or he can just concede). I am done posting for Today.
I haven't got a lot of time tonight to do quote-walls and so forth, so I'll just post what I'm thinking having read this weekend's business. This two docs thing rings really sour to me. I reaaaally don't like the double claim of inventor+doc. That comes across as bizarre as all hell to me, especially claiming he can do both each night. Is a mafia inventor a thing?? My first thought is iRebel is using his inventor role (assuming he's telling the truth about that) to shoehorn himself in as confirmed town, when only DCIII can 'confirm' that right now.
Let's assume for a sec that someone is lying about their role; I think two docs (plus a potential backup) is obviously very strong. Either we have:
1. Cythare lying (as mafia) and CCed by iRebel with a very strong (and very swingy) role. Requires iRebel to be telling the truth about an obscure role AND Cythare to be ballsy enough to false claim doc in a setup where there is very likely to be a doc (ie neutral with a multiple kill ability).
2. iRebel as mafia WITH a inventor role ccing Cythare just to get him lynched. Still requires iRebel to be a obscure combo of role and alignment, and still requires a very bold (dumb?) move CCing a claimed doc when they could have just nked him that night.
EITHER situation seems to be absurd to me. There's also...
3. iRebel is mafia without an inventor role and DCIII is scumbuddy; I haven't got time right now to check if BlueElectric breadcrumbed/admitted that she had recieved a gift from iRebel but my memory says no. This scenario seems unlikely though because it requires both mafia to have outed themself with a gambit that doesn't really achieve much! I think that that makes no sense at all and it pretty much town-confirms DCIII for me. Also this requires iRebel to have the list of planets for some other reason.
Anyway, putting that aside for now since I can't get behind any of those possibilities.
Regarding the two kills, I have been having a think; I am convinced there is either a mafia with extra kills or a mafia poisoner in this setup. No matter what the situation with Cythare/iRebel is, we also have a bulletproof (I agree with what has been said above about his behaviour helping to confirm this), had a backup, have a rolecop-esque ability (I can't really judge how powerful this is), AND we had a tracker, all against two mafia and a neutral vig... I feel it would make sense for there to be a mafia extra kill ability (presumably just one-shot) just from a balance perspective. This would mean the mafia targetted Guardman and BlueElectric N2, which sort of makes sense to me based on the game at that point.
The alternative is a poisoner; the scum could have used a delay-kill N1. I'm guessing Blue, since he had already been outed as a strong player and the scum would have known at that point that he was town and could be a problem later. If they weren't under a lot of pressure at the time, and having avoided being lynched D1, a delayed kill right then wouldn't have cost them anything but would have definitely increased confusion (as it in fact did) and maybe got a mislynch off (as it nearly did on me due to Shockwave's claimed action).
This leads me to a question: exactly how unlikely/overpowered is two docs? I appreciate that by docing each other they could prevent the mafia from killing two town indefinitely, but given the possibility of a RB, and extreme likelihood that they'd counterclaim each other at some point and one of them (if not both) would get lynched as a result of it, I'm not so sure it's so beyond the realms of possibility as has been suggested.
I'd be happy to wait a night before lynching either of them, just to get some clear information. DCIII, since you are more suspicious of Cythare, would you consider using your rolecop on him tonight to confirm his role? As I have stated above, I think DCIII is pretty much confirmed town now.
My scum suspects are:
Void - for reasons explained previously. I don't think 'Iso can always read Void' holds any water. If I know anything about Iso's meta from what I've read it's that he's overconfident about his reads.
plus one of the following
iRebel/Cythare; assuming there aren't two docs.
or
Shockwave; if there is a mafia poisoner, Shockwave is he. A delayer plus a poisoner has weird interactions and delayer seems like a logical falseclaim for a poisoner as it introduces the idea of actions being delayed without being overtly scummy; this makes sense too as to why he'd have claimed early.
or
FIGHTING; Has claimed another role which rings oddly to me, and is driving the Cythare lynch on the basis of the fact she believes his doctor claim, which seems upside down logic to me. Her case hinges on the idea that there can't be two town docs, which I don't think is as open-and-shut as it could be. If DCIII confirms Cythare as doc then I'm gonna give serious consideration to the possibility that it's Void+FIGHTING.
This quick catchup post turned long now it's 6:30am local time.
Vote Void
since I thought I already was. His recent behaviour (asking random timewastey questions about flavour and holding back from the doc debate) hasn't done anything to dispel my suspicion.
scumteam is DCIII and Idle, I'm down to vote either but since DCIII has a vote I'll vote him.
That argument has a lot of detail but is very weak and doesn't hold up. After Day 3 FIGHTING still had plenty of credibility and even after Day 4 you're telling me that the scum team left alone the recurrent investigation role because they didn't think anyone would believe her?
Look at behavior. I jumped OFF of the Rhand wagon as it was getting close to termination only to have Guardman and Idle push it through (and FIGHTING checked in and said she still liked her vote there).
I started Day 3 saying that we needed to look at Cythare because of Blue's flip and then aggressively pushed him after iRebel countered, despite FIGHTING saying that she wasn't necessarily willing to do so and wanted to look at Rezombied first.
I wasn't anywhere near the Shockwave wagon and FIGHTING quick hammered that.
There's no way I avoided all of those scummy plays as scum, yet FIGHTING and Idle made plenty of those scummy plays. I was actively hunting and figuring out the game all game.
I'm not lying, I'm Robot Santa, vanilla town.
My argument on FIGHTING is not predatory, the only time I mentioned anything that seems to reference inactivity was to say that she didn't so much other than blind vote Rhand on Day 2... so she's using that as a guard to make it look like she's the victim that's being preyed on here when that's not the case in the least.
My arguments focus on her actions and her behavior throughout the game. It's definitely her.
Think about it, once Cythare was cced, there was plenty of opportunity to use FIGHTING's speculation about there being a "non-partial" doc and steer the argument toward Rezombied or another player.
I pushed Cythare hard and, at that point, I started suspecting FIGHTING. Watch FIGHTING (for the first time scrutinized) change tone and momentum as soon as I push that and go all systems go on Cythare.
Void, you not voting there seals you as town because you've had two opportunities to hammer - if Rezombied is not scum, I could be hanging at any moment.
There's no way I avoided all of those scummy plays as scum, yet FIGHTING and Idle made plenty of those scummy plays. I was actively hunting and figuring out the game all game.
Out of everything in this one post/game this is by far the worst thing you have said all game.
I had several plans in place but muse putting me to L-1 killed every single one of them, so I had to improvise. You were right: my post was very detailed but did not hold up to scrutiny.
I just needed one vote though.
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i'm pretty sure i can find your ***** online within 3 minutes
I had several plans in place but muse putting me to L-1 killed every single one of them, so I had to improvise. You were right: my post was very detailed but did not hold up to scrutiny.
I just needed one vote though.
I knew Rez was town so once he voted I started to panic... needed Void to hammer quickly.
I do want to go on the record as saying that my inactivity issues were real. Other than Today, where I lurked until I could see where things were going, at no point was I trying to gain an advantage by avoiding the game.
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i'm pretty sure i can find your ***** online within 3 minutes
I think void did the right thing, for the record. There's no way I ever fire off a vote in his position then unless I'm 100% sure.
—the guy who dragged an endgame out for a month
100% agree with this. It was in the scum's best interest to have a quick Day (ideally with a lynch on Town), and while Megs did a great job on a convincing first post, it was the fact that everyone was vote-happy that caused this (DCIII included - just because his vote was on scum doesn't mean it didn't accelerate the Day faster than necessary).
While Void could have hammered scum by voting for FIGHTING, I would argue that he is the one *least* to blame here.
had dc3 not voted for fighting right off the bat, we probably wouldve had another day. Fightings post along with idles that i quoted made me think dc3+idle instead of fighting+idle. I probably should've put more thought into fighting bussing the **** out of cythare.
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"Friends, no need to worry! There is always a bright side." Shockwave was trying his best to cheer up the team. "Let me make you some sandwiches. Eating always makes me feel better."
As Shockwave made his way to the kitchen, he tripped over a robot leg hanging out of the rubble in the corner. The momentum carried him directly into iRebel, knocking them both to the floor.
"Oops! I'm so sorry iRebel. Here, let me hel-" The blow came swiftly from behind.
"He's lost it. He's attacking Shockwave! Kill him!"
"I knew he couldn't be trusted. That buffoon."
"I'm sorry friends. I just wanted to make some sandwiches."
If everyone had remained calm for a few more seconds they would have realized it was an accident. Shockwave lay motionless on the ground. As the shock wore off, FIGHTING noticed the leg in the direction that Shockwave had come.
"What...have...we...done?"
Shockwave has died. He was:
Dr. Zoidberg is the loveable idiot of the Planet Express crew. You were originally hired to be the crew doctor but you never told anyone that you are a doctor of art history. You are very very poor and desperate for acceptance.
You’ve come to love earth as it has provided you a lot of personal freedom. Freedoms that you didn’t have on Decapod 10 and you’ll do whatever it takes to not return there. Through your daily routine you’ve heard that there are those planning on taking over Planet Express and you will destroy them. If you don’t bungle it and get killed first that is.
Zoidberg: “Fry, it's been years since medical school, so remind me. Disemboweling in your species: fatal, or non-fatal?”
Abilities:
Other Information:
Shockwave07 (4): Idle Muse, Void, iRebel, FIGHTING
Idle Muse (1): Rezombied
FIGHTING (1): DCIII
Not Voting: Shockwave07
All night actions are due by 8PM Eastern Time on Friday.
Sleep well Zoidberg. Sleep well all.
"I can't handle this anymore. If we've lost him..."
As the group makes it's way up to iRebel's room the realization hit them. He was gone.
As the door opened, the scene was almost peaceful. iRebel in his bed, arms folded and eyes closed, as if in deep in thought. A smile crossed a face or two, as that was the same pose you had seen him in countless times before. The only thing out of place in the room was the pillow lying on the floor.
"He's gone."
iRebel has died. He was:
At 172 years old you have seen some stuff. You’re also a little bit crazy, a little bit brilliant and a whole lot of honorary Globetrotter. As the owner and CEO of Planet Express you are in charge of the day to day operations. Or at least, you were. Now you have a whole crew that supports you and you just tell them where to deliver things.
Born in a prison you have lived a fruitful life but you are not willing to give it up yet. With the rumblings of a takeover popping up here and there you have doubled down on making Planet Express a profitable and reliable company. By any means necessary.
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"There is no point anymore."
"Of course there is. We can't let iRebel's legacy fail. With all this tragedy we have to double down and right this ship."
The nods came one at a time. One of you will run Planet Express and rebuild it to it's former glory. One of you will carry on iRebel's memory. One of you will avenge them all.
With 5 players alive it takes 3 to lynch.
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I KNOW it can't be Idle Muse alone because Shock was telling the truth. That would explain the multiple N2 kills... but I got roleblocked yesterday and Idle couldn't have done that so he'd have either needed an accomplice or there's someone else out there whose ability could also explain the delayed kill.
Look back over FIGHTING. Day 2 opens with the naked vote on Rhand and then basically stops contributing for the day. Notice the period of time where she could hammer Idle but wants to give it 24 hours (meanwhile Cythare shifts the momentum back toward Rhand). Compare that hammer approach with that of Yesterday where she quick hammered Shock, discussion and the day was ended. I had no opportunity to try to sway anyone back to her because the day was over so quickly.
Pay attention to when Cythare is CCed how she initially tries to shift the direction toward Rezombied prior to my expressing concern that she was in it with Cythare and then notice the change in her tone and approach entirely as she's all systems go on Cythare and now decides that she has to be the mafia Dr.
Her role prior to the mass claim just outed scum PRs and there's very little need for a role like that with a tracker and iRebel handing out abilities such as investigational ones.
I was roleblocked trying to find out her role (sure, it could be WIFOM but Idle couldn't have done it and I don't see Rez or Void doing that... much more likely she didn't want me to find out her role).
It's all there. Rezombied and Void, you are the other town players and I am pretty sure that Idle is her partner in crime but we know can't be scum alone. Please re-read FIGHTING and let's get a town win (with Idle being the other scum if the game doesn't end).
Danka.
Vote: FIGHTING
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Opportunistic was Idle's hammer on Rhand when the discussion was starting to flow toward Cythare. Opportunistic was FIGHTING's hammer on Shockwave barely into the Day, not Void's vote on Shockwave.
If Idle was really trying to figure the game out, he'd be considering FIGHTING as being opportunistic for the hammer at the very least as well as Void, not just Void alone.
Mechanically it makes sense as well. Cythare was a human Dr and the town has two protective roles. It makes more sense that the scum team is at least mostly human and that Cythare would have multiple people to choose to protect from TK rather than just protecting the same person all game long.
I bet that Idle killed iRebel on Night 3, it got delayed by shock, and FIGHTING roleblocked me. Then the iRebel kill came through last night and iRebel protected correctly last night.
The only other explanation of events is that there's just one scum member left who can only roleblock or kill and they chose to roleblock me as opposed to kill anyone on N3. That strategy seems dubious but, if it were the case, I certainly don't see a scum player forgoing a kill solely to create WIFOM around FIGHTING's role, it would be because that player didn't want me to find out FIGHTING's role.
We know that it's not possible for Idle to be scum alone.
Rezombied's claim makes sense with the game and his reactions and votes accordingly make sense as well. He wasn't on the Shock wagon yesterday. He's town.
Void - meta read from Blue, sure, and I trust that a lot more with Blue having flipped town... but it also doesn't make sense for him to encourage me not to target Idle Muse with the role cop only to then roleblock me from targeting FIGHTING to create WIFOM around FIGHTING? If he's scum alone, why not just role block the role cop in general rather than keeping it off of Idle.
Plus - FIGHTING should be dead now. After the mass claim, her role is lethal to scum as it basically acts as a cop because she can verify if players are who they say they are. iRebel had FIGHTING and Shock as his two suspects, he clearly wasn't going to protect FIGHTING. With that kind of investigation ability after a mass claim, scum should have killed her by now.
Void and Rezombied, we need your votes on FIGHTING Today, when she flips scum, Idle Tomorrow.
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Ftr, I was Role Blocked last Night.
Would you please explain this better, DCIII? The whole thing.
FIGHTING's role can verify the roles of players so, after a mass claim, her role can verify if players were telling the truth about their role. That role is the same ability that I had as a one shot and was roleblocked, but she has it permanently.
iRebel was the doc, but he wasn't going to be protecting FIGHTING because FIGHTING was one of his two suspects (along with Shock... reread his lengthy post about it either being FIGHTING or Shock).
So if FIGHTING was town, there are two nights now where she's been left unscathed, unprotected by iRebel, with an ability that allows her to verify the mass claim.
I find that very unlikely.
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Would you please explain how a Role Cop works?
You target someone and learn their abilities. So, if FIGHTING was town, she's being honest about there being a roleblocker out there so, since no one claimed roleblocker, she could find that out, thereby incriminating that player.
Same with me targeting her with mine, if she can do anything in addition to what she claimed, that would incriminate her because she didn't claim it.
If a claimed vanilla has any abilities then that's opposed to what they claimed, etc.
Why do you ask?
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I'm okay with a Idle/FIGHTING lynch toDay.
If any of the above were true, either Rezombied or Void would have hammered to win the game.
So, from my perspective, FIGHTING is the only player who could be on a scum team that has two players left. I.E. a FIGHTING lynch either nabs us scum (very likely) or doesn't end the game because there would be only one scum left otherwise.
We also know that Idle can't be scum alone because of Shockwave's delay and the roleblock on me.
If FIGHTING is scum and the game doesn't end after her lynch, then if her role has nothing about it that would account for an extra or delayed kill, then Idle HAS to be her accomplice.
If FIGHTING is somehow town, then there's only one scum member left and that person can't be Idle. If that's the case then it would have to be Rezombied or Void alone, in which case I'd think it would have to be Void - but that's a VERY unlikely scenario, IMO.
If the game doesn't end after a FIGHTING lynch and I'm the NK Tonight, please review this post.
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But hey I've been in worse spots before so whatever.
I have some time Tonight so I'll see what I can do.
I have been harping on about the fact that there's only one scum left. However, I think there's another possibility based on what's happened so far Today. Before I get into that, let me compile the claimed Night actions and such here.
First, the player list.
FIGHTING: Smitty and URL, Role Cop
Idle Muse: Amy Wong, Vanilla
Rezombied: Bender, Bulletproof
DCIII: Robot Santa Vanilla
Void: Lrrr, Vanilla
TK-421: Morbo, Neutral Hitman
Cythare: Mom, Mafia doctor
Guardman: Nibbler, Tracker
Shockwave07: Zoidberg, Delayer
iRebel: Professor, Inventor/Doc
Blue Electric: Fry, Backup
Rhand: Kif, Vanilla
Second, the compilation of claimed Night actions:
N1
FIGHTING: Targeted rezombied, learned about a Doctor.
iRebel: Gifts BlueElectric, protects Guardman.
Shockwave: Delays Idle Muse
Cythare: Protects FIGHTING
No Night kill.
N2
FIGHTING: Targeted DCIII, learned about a Roleblocker.
iRebel: Gifts DCIII, protects DCIII
Shockwave: No action.
Cythare: Protects Shockwave.
Guardman and BlueElectric Night killed.
N3
FIGHTING: Targeted DCIII; confirmed him as Vanilla.
iRebel: Gifts Void
Shockwave: Delays Idle Muse
DCIII: Was roleblocked.
No Night kill.
N4
FIGHTING: Targeted rezombied, confirmed him as Bulletproof.
Void: Was roleblocked.
iRebel Night killed.
We have no information about Guardman's Night actions.
So that's that. We know that the dead players' actions are true (minus Cythare of course) but among the living I know the following are true as well:
FIGHTING: Smitty and URL, Role Cop
Idle Muse: Amy Wong, Vanilla
Rezombied: Bender, Bulletproof
DCIII: Robot Santa Vanilla
Void: Lrrr, Vanilla
So Muse and Void are unconfirmed. If you're curious, I thought that rezombied might have been running a gambit with Cythare to create a role dichotomy and guarantee that one of them makes it into endgame if the other gets lynched... They had to realize that there would be town protective roles, but I couldn't ignore this possibility.
Anyway, I have a theory. DCIII is 100% correct that leaving me alive is an enormous liability for scum. If I happened to catch the scum, that's game over, town win. Right?
Here's the thing. My activity this game has been abysmal. This is my worst game pretty much ever (worse than Amistarian III—ok guys let's be real I am actually Megiddo). My RL circumstances translate directly into mafia and my RL has been incredibly busy and chaotic lately, which means that I just have not had the time and my posts have been pretty drive by. This puts me in an incredibly weak position. Ok?
This is what I think happened.
Void had a gift from iRebel, which he wisely decided not to reveal. The unknown is scary, and he could have had something to screw up the scum's plans at Night. So the scum decided to block him. iRebel got killed because, with his protection and the RB already being used, there was no way to guarantee a kill on anybody else. Plus, removing a PR helps POE.
So that leaves me. Why not block me when I could expose the last scum? Why not kill me when I am one of the most experienced players left and a PR?
It's because I have zero credibility. No matter my results, the scum knows that he can push a lynch on me today.
But that doesn't make sense with the one scum theory. When I flip, my results are guaranteed to be truthful and (should I have caught the scum), they are toast.
Therefore, the truth is that there actually are two scum, despite my thoughts to the contrary. This is the only thing that makes complete sense. Leaving me unhindered at Night only makes sense if we are in lylo right now.
We can take this conclusion a step further: DCIII and Idle Muse are the scum team.
I previously checked DCIII and confirmed that he is a vanilla. But, because of how my role works, that conclusion is consistent with DCIII being a goon.
This means that Idle Muse is the scum roleblocker and DCIII is a goon, with doctor Cythare rounding out the scumteam.
With that knowledge we can reconstruct the Night actions in full:
N1
FIGHTING: Targeted rezombied, learned about a Doctor.
iRebel: Gifts BlueElectric, protects Guardman.
Shockwave: Delays Idle Muse
Cythare: Protects FIGHTING
Idle Muse: Attempts to kill (Blue/Guardman), gets delayed.
No Night kill.
N2
FIGHTING: Targeted DCIII, learned about a Roleblocker.
iRebel: Gifts DCIII, protects DCIII
Shockwave: No action.
Cythare: Protects Shockwave.
Muse: Kills (Blue/Guardman).
Guardman and BlueElectric Night killed.
N3
FIGHTING: Targeted DCIII; confirmed him as Vanilla.
iRebel: Gifts Void
Shockwave: Delays Idle Muse
DCIII: Claims to have been roleblocked.
Idle Muse: Attempts to kill (???), gets delayed.
No Night kill.
N4
FIGHTING: Targeted rezombied, confirmed him as Bulletproof.
Void: Was roleblocked.
Muse: Roleblocks Void.
iRebel Night killed.
There are actually a lot of possibilities. N1, we can be 100% sure that Muse attempted the kill. Why did he do it? I'm not sure. It would make more sense for DCIII to do it. However, in this game any player can use multiple abilities a Night (I asked about this when iRebel claimed). So it's possible that they decided to have muse block and kill on the same Night, preserving DCIII's vanilla status for down the line in the presence of a potential tracker or watcher. That would mean that the RB got delayed (according to the OP, roleblocks come after delay).
N2 we see the evidence that the delay was used. Two kills, with zero other claimed ways to kill, indicates that this is what happened. With Shockwave confirmed as the delayer, we know for sure that he did successfully delay Muse. I doubt there are two delay effects in the game (one being scum obviously), so this can only make sense. Missing RB again, but it could have gone anywhere, as before. They may have tried to block+kill the same person two Nights in a row for all we know.
N3 we get the second delay on Muse, which should be the nail in the coffin for him and the confirmation that the game state is as I say. That means that there is once again no RB. DCIII couldn't fake his role cop yet at this point, so when the kill came back blank I'm sure he was glad to be able to claim that rather than have to narrow the field.
N4 is interesting. There was only one kill. But think back: Muse got delayed N3. There should have been two kills. Do you know what that means? It means that shockwave was the intended N3 kill. If iRebel was blocked N3 (and delayed into N4), there's no way that the kill could have been interrupted, so this is the only option. This also meant that the scum could kill freely last Night and use their RB on Void, leaving me alive to be framed as I have already stated.
DCIII pushed hard on me D4 while weakly pushing away from Shock. Muse had to push on Shockwave—he had to deflect from himself and create the possibility that he was town through doubt, otherwise he might get lynched as he was under heavy suspicion. DCIII tried to form a counterwagon on me but didn't count on Muse's arguments taking hold. My admittedly quick hammer sealed that, and somewhat ironically denied the scum an instant win.
And that brings us to D5. DCIII pushes strong on me, and Muse (after flopping about on Void) moves to me, putting me at L-1 and inadvertently tipping their hand. The bumrush on me was their plan. Don't fall for it. DCIII's arguments are purely predatory, trying to exploit my inactivity as well as pushing a crap argument about why I'm still alive which I have refuted several times over in this post. He has no legs to stand on.
Anyway, all of this is leading me to:
Vote DCIII
I want to lynch DCIII over Muse Today. Why? Because my name is FIGHTING and I have a big dick. Join me in this fantastic town win that I have just created out of thin air. The scum are caught. We are done.
We will lynch Muse Tomorrow (or he can just concede). I am done posting for Today.
Anyway, in addition to fighting's post this post just screams at me:
scumteam is DCIII and Idle, I'm down to vote either but since DCIII has a vote I'll vote him.
Vote DCIII
That argument has a lot of detail but is very weak and doesn't hold up. After Day 3 FIGHTING still had plenty of credibility and even after Day 4 you're telling me that the scum team left alone the recurrent investigation role because they didn't think anyone would believe her?
Look at behavior. I jumped OFF of the Rhand wagon as it was getting close to termination only to have Guardman and Idle push it through (and FIGHTING checked in and said she still liked her vote there).
I started Day 3 saying that we needed to look at Cythare because of Blue's flip and then aggressively pushed him after iRebel countered, despite FIGHTING saying that she wasn't necessarily willing to do so and wanted to look at Rezombied first.
I wasn't anywhere near the Shockwave wagon and FIGHTING quick hammered that.
There's no way I avoided all of those scummy plays as scum, yet FIGHTING and Idle made plenty of those scummy plays. I was actively hunting and figuring out the game all game.
I'm not lying, I'm Robot Santa, vanilla town.
My argument on FIGHTING is not predatory, the only time I mentioned anything that seems to reference inactivity was to say that she didn't so much other than blind vote Rhand on Day 2... so she's using that as a guard to make it look like she's the victim that's being preyed on here when that's not the case in the least.
My arguments focus on her actions and her behavior throughout the game. It's definitely her.
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I pushed Cythare hard and, at that point, I started suspecting FIGHTING. Watch FIGHTING (for the first time scrutinized) change tone and momentum as soon as I push that and go all systems go on Cythare.
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Please trust me that I'm not scum in this game.
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Out of everything in this one post/game this is by far the worst thing you have said all game.
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Well done, Megiddo. Apparently I need to be better about getting people to listen to me. I had it solved.
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I had several plans in place but muse putting me to L-1 killed every single one of them, so I had to improvise. You were right: my post was very detailed but did not hold up to scrutiny.
I just needed one vote though.
I knew Rez was town so once he voted I started to panic... needed Void to hammer quickly.
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I would have said so earlier but I was trying to kill you.
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Thanks. I'm sure we'll meet again
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Congrats team, and well played for the most part town. I did not play a strong game and I consider myself very lucky to have won this one.
Ftr, this is why, in MyLo/LyLo, you don't vote until everyone else is ready to. Had this been the case, then this issue would have not come.
Don't you dare put the blame on me.
—the guy who dragged an endgame out for a month
You knew an L-1 was on the board and you waited. I can see not taking an action when you control the final vote, but still...
Although you're not completely to blame... *Glares at Rez for being so easily swayed.*
And my record on this site officially begins.
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Mafia Wins/Losses: N/A
Games in Progress: 4 (1 by replace in)
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Town Wins/Losses: 0/2
Mafia Wins/Losses: 1/0
Games in Progress: 6
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I'll have the end game and recap up this evening.
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100% agree with this. It was in the scum's best interest to have a quick Day (ideally with a lynch on Town), and while Megs did a great job on a convincing first post, it was the fact that everyone was vote-happy that caused this (DCIII included - just because his vote was on scum doesn't mean it didn't accelerate the Day faster than necessary).
While Void could have hammered scum by voting for FIGHTING, I would argue that he is the one *least* to blame here.
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