Flavor: Everyone is naughty to me, however, I owe Planet Express for helping me get my naughty list back so I am going to help them out prior to returning to my regularly scheduled mayhem.
Species: Robot
Planet: Neptune
Also, I received a gift last night from iRebel (although it wasn't specified who I got it from, I'm sure it was him). I think it's also relevant to claim its ability - which is a one shot role cop.
So my claim is broken down into two parts: The boring part, and the exciting part.
So first, the boring part:
I am Professor Farnsworth, Town Delivery Assigner. I know that each planet corresponds to a player (from the list I posted earlier), but I don't know which player. Each Night, I can assign a delivery to a planet, and the player who is associated with the selected planet will steal the shipment (they get a random one-shot ability. I have no idea what abilities are available or which is doled out). I cannot deliver to myself.
Night one I delivered to Earth (Miss Blue)
Night two I delivered to Neptune (DCIII)
Flavour: I'm 172 and I've seen some stuff in my time. I'm also kinda crazy, kinda brilliant, and an honorary Globetrotter. I am the owner and CEO of Planet Express, and I have a crew who does what I tell them to.
I'm not going to give up on living just yet, even though I have had an amazing life for someone born in prison. I'll resort to any measure needed to protect Planet Express and finally make her a profitable company.
Apologies for the delay - didn't have much Internet access the past few days.
I am Turanga Leela, Town Doctor.
Night 1, I targeted FIGHTING.
Night 2, I targeted Shockwave07.
Race: Mutant
Planet: Cyclopia
Flavor: Despite my usually aggressive behavior, my biggest concern is for the safety of my fellow crewmates. Since I've learned that there might be a hostile takeover happening, I am doing my part by protecting my coworkers from the hostility.
So now for the exciting part!
I have a very big problem with this claim. Do you know why, Cythare? Because in addition to being the Town Delivery Assigner, I am also the Doctor. Which makes you scum.
Night 1 I protected Guardman.
Night 2 I protected DCIII.
Unvote; Vote: Cythare.
Cythare toDay, Idle tomorrow. GG.
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I don't have any hard numbers on this, but I'm targeted more often than a black guy driving a beat-up sedan with a broken tail-light and no license plate, and Cy's well aware of that.
So you're saying that you're a double power-role, that you can perform both Night actions at the same time, and you chose Guardman as your protect for Night 1, when you clearly indicated other people as stronger Town reads D1?
Don't get me wrong, I still believe you're town, but your counterclaim is hogwash.
I need some delayer mechanics clarification. If Idle Muse targeted Guardman Night 1, and Shockwave delayed Idle Muse's action, and iRebel protected Guardman - would Guardman no longer be protected N2 when the kill went through? That seems like awful luck. No one claimed any kind of vig action and TK's role makes me think it unlikely that the scum would have one - plus we know that Blue was a human so some of TK's targets at least would have been town - so this still seems like the only explanation for the extra death last night.
Either way, I believe the CC on Cythare as, otherwise, iRebel just incriminated himself without us being in an end game scenario - plus, I can confirm the first part of his ability, as did Blue, and I doubt that he'd give benefits to town players as scum.
My vote will be on Cythare but would like to discuss the overall power level of these claimed roles.
The Doc/ability distributor role (the second part confirmed as Blue and I both received gifts), plus FIGHTING's informational role, plus a delayer, plus a bulletproof, plus a tracker, plus a backup - considering TK's role, does that seem like an overpowered town? It does to me. It makes me think that there are some shenanigans going on within the PRs in addition to Cythare.
Basically I was assigning two of each kind of role to each category, 8 total, with 4 vanillas left over. Coming into Day 2, I knew of the existence of a doc, and I assumed that there would be another protective role based on TK's role. My role is weak so I had speculated a second investigative role, and guardman's flip confirmed that. The hitman and delayer filled out the "offensive" category nicely, and I had iRebel speculatively slotted into the utility role. Blue flipping backup filled that in.
Italicized is "confirmed to me," meaning myself and dead players. We do have some mechanical confirmation for both Shock and iRebel. * denotes an anti-town role.
So we have two roles in each category and 4 vanillas. This conforms well with my speculation.
There's two wrinkles. One, I agree that the lineup is too powerful against a two-man scumteam if said scumteam is among the vanillas, and two, iRebel is apparently an unexpected third protective role.
Now, I checked with the mod on my role: I won't receive partial role info, so the doctor I saw is NOT iRebel. This means that I believe cythare's role claim.
So we now have a protective trichotomy. One of these three is scum almost assuredly. And I don't want to automatically assume that one of the docs is the scum because A) cythare is almost 100% guaranteed to actually be a doctor, and B) Hasty modgaming will lose us the game. There's a possibility we have two docs and that rezombied is our odd man out. I want to explore this before we close out the Day.
iRebel, if you're lying about your doc claim, now is the time to tell us. I don't want to mislynch Today based on a fake counterclaim. My inner setup designer is just going nuts about this role. it doesn't make sense to me.
hm, A bulletproof actually makes a lot of sense though along with a roleblocker (which would be their other PR). I will revisit this.
Anyway. Idle Muse is probably our roleblocker. If he tried to do the N1 kill he wouldn't have been able to use the roleblock, most likely.
I actually think we should just lynch confirmed scum Muse Today like we were going to.
@DCIII: shockwave claimed he delays only the person he targeted, so the protection would apply N1 and be gone by N2. I... agree that iRebel is unlikely scum for the CC, but the fact remains that I'm not willing to lynch based on said CC right now.
@cythare: >question iRebel's claim and try to discredit him
>"but you're still town though
so....... I guess you are scum?
@cythare: >question iRebel's claim and try to discredit him
>"but you're still town though
so....... I guess you are scum?
Based on his claim, I believe iRebel is Town. He confirmed his role to DCIII by sending him a gift last Night. The role doesn't make sense to me as a scum role. Despite him looking scummy to me D1, I believe him based on his role and on how he played it at the end of D1/D2. He didn't really have much content D2 that sways me either way. What part of that was unclear?
@cythare: >question iRebel's claim and try to discredit him
>"but you're still town though
so....... I guess you are scum?
Based on his claim, I believe iRebel is Town. He confirmed his role to DCIII by sending him a gift last Night. The role doesn't make sense to me as a scum role. Despite him looking scummy to me D1, I believe him based on his role and on how he played it at the end of D1/D2. He didn't really have much content D2 that sways me either way. What part of that was unclear?
This is a complete non sequitur.
So you're saying that you're a double power-role, that you can perform both Night actions at the same time, and you chose Guardman as your protect for Night 1, when you clearly indicated other people as stronger Town reads D1?
Don't get me wrong, I still believe you're town, but your counterclaim is hogwash.
This is what you said.
That doesn't look like "The role doesn't make sense as a scum role" to me.
You were clearly smearing iRebel and trying to cast doubt on his claim, but at the same time avoiding the commitment that comes with doing so by calling him town. NOW you're saying something completely different.
@cythare: >question iRebel's claim and try to discredit him
>"but you're still town though
so....... I guess you are scum?
Based on his claim, I believe iRebel is Town. He confirmed his role to DCIII by sending him a gift last Night. The role doesn't make sense to me as a scum role. Despite him looking scummy to me D1, I believe him based on his role and on how he played it at the end of D1/D2. He didn't really have much content D2 that sways me either way. What part of that was unclear?
This is a complete non sequitur.
So you're saying that you're a double power-role, that you can perform both Night actions at the same time, and you chose Guardman as your protect for Night 1, when you clearly indicated other people as stronger Town reads D1?
Don't get me wrong, I still believe you're town, but your counterclaim is hogwash.
This is what you said.
That doesn't look like "The role doesn't make sense as a scum role" to me.
You were clearly smearing iRebel and trying to cast doubt on his claim, but at the same time avoiding the commitment that comes with doing so by calling him town. NOW you're saying something completely different.
Please explain this.
Except it's not a non-sequitur. For the reasons I previously stated, I believe iRebel is town. I've seen players counterclaim with roles they don't have before when they think the player they're counterclaiming is scum. I was rebutting his "hey guys this is my role let's lynch this guy" because that is my role. I made two statements above, and you're trying to link them together when his alignment is not tied to his counterclaim. I prefaced "I still believe you're town" with "don't get me wrong" for this reason. I'm not smearing iRebel, but I am challenging his claim.
As noted before, the Inventor role doesn't make sense as scum to me, and the way he approached it in-thread doesn't read as scummy either.
So you're saying that you're a double power-role, that you can perform both Night actions at the same time, and you chose Guardman as your protect for Night 1, when you clearly indicated other people as stronger Town reads D1?
Don't get me wrong, I still believe you're town, but your counterclaim is hogwash.
I am a double power role, and yes, I can use both per Night.
The bold sentence made me lol. Clearly the Doctor should just blindly target their top town reads and give no consideration to what the scum might do. You're a good enough player to recognise that proposition is ludicrous and a poor way to go about playing a Doctor. Doctor is a WIFOM role and requires you to try and out think the scum.
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iRebel, if you're lying about your doc claim, now is the time to tell us. I don't want to mislynch Today based on a fake counterclaim. My inner setup designer is just going nuts about this role. it doesn't make sense to me.
@cythare: >question iRebel's claim and try to discredit him
>"but you're still town though
so....... I guess you are scum?
Based on his claim, I believe iRebel is Town. He confirmed his role to DCIII by sending him a gift last Night. The role doesn't make sense to me as a scum role. Despite him looking scummy to me D1, I believe him based on his role and on how he played it at the end of D1/D2. He didn't really have much content D2 that sways me either way. What part of that was unclear?
This is a complete non sequitur.
So you're saying that you're a double power-role, that you can perform both Night actions at the same time, and you chose Guardman as your protect for Night 1, when you clearly indicated other people as stronger Town reads D1?
Don't get me wrong, I still believe you're town, but your counterclaim is hogwash.
This is what you said.
That doesn't look like "The role doesn't make sense as a scum role" to me.
You were clearly smearing iRebel and trying to cast doubt on his claim, but at the same time avoiding the commitment that comes with doing so by calling him town. NOW you're saying something completely different.
Please explain this.
Except it's not a non-sequitur. For the reasons I previously stated, I believe iRebel is town. I've seen players counterclaim with roles they don't have before when they think the player they're counterclaiming is scum. I was rebutting his "hey guys this is my role let's lynch this guy" because that is my role. I made two statements above, and you're trying to link them together when his alignment is not tied to his counterclaim. I prefaced "I still believe you're town" with "don't get me wrong" for this reason. I'm not smearing iRebel, but I am challenging his claim.
As noted before, the Inventor role doesn't make sense as scum to me, and the way he approached it in-thread doesn't read as scummy either.
I am counterclaiming you because I am the Doctor, not because I am trying to pull some elaborate gambit.
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I don't have any hard numbers on this, but I'm targeted more often than a black guy driving a beat-up sedan with a broken tail-light and no license plate, and Cy's well aware of that.
So you're saying that you're a double power-role, that you can perform both Night actions at the same time, and you chose Guardman as your protect for Night 1, when you clearly indicated other people as stronger Town reads D1?
Don't get me wrong, I still believe you're town, but your counterclaim is hogwash.
I am a double power role, and yes, I can use both per Night.
The bold sentence made me lol. Clearly the Doctor should just blindly target their top town reads and give no consideration to what the scum might do. You're a good enough player to recognise that proposition is ludicrous and a poor way to go about playing a Doctor. Doctor is a WIFOM role and requires you to try and out think the scum.
Blindly, no. But I would rather target my top town reads, or at least target players that others likely think are Town. It's true that you have to out-think scum, but I usually go with people that are more likely to be town based on their previous actions.
@cythare: >question iRebel's claim and try to discredit him
>"but you're still town though
so....... I guess you are scum?
Based on his claim, I believe iRebel is Town. He confirmed his role to DCIII by sending him a gift last Night. The role doesn't make sense to me as a scum role. Despite him looking scummy to me D1, I believe him based on his role and on how he played it at the end of D1/D2. He didn't really have much content D2 that sways me either way. What part of that was unclear?
This is a complete non sequitur.
So you're saying that you're a double power-role, that you can perform both Night actions at the same time, and you chose Guardman as your protect for Night 1, when you clearly indicated other people as stronger Town reads D1?
Don't get me wrong, I still believe you're town, but your counterclaim is hogwash.
This is what you said.
That doesn't look like "The role doesn't make sense as a scum role" to me.
You were clearly smearing iRebel and trying to cast doubt on his claim, but at the same time avoiding the commitment that comes with doing so by calling him town. NOW you're saying something completely different.
Please explain this.
Except it's not a non-sequitur. For the reasons I previously stated, I believe iRebel is town. I've seen players counterclaim with roles they don't have before when they think the player they're counterclaiming is scum. I was rebutting his "hey guys this is my role let's lynch this guy" because that is my role. I made two statements above, and you're trying to link them together when his alignment is not tied to his counterclaim. I prefaced "I still believe you're town" with "don't get me wrong" for this reason. I'm not smearing iRebel, but I am challenging his claim.
As noted before, the Inventor role doesn't make sense as scum to me, and the way he approached it in-thread doesn't read as scummy either.
I am counterclaiming you because I am the Doctor, not because I am trying to pull some elaborate gambit.
Except that I am the Doctor. I'd be happy to prove it to either FIGHTING or DCIII toNight. Until then, we can go back and forth as much as you want, but it doesn't change the facts.
@Cythare:
Have you watched Futurama prior to this game?
I have, although it's been a while. Why do you ask?
Do you recall the episode where Lela had the shock collar put around her neck for extreme aggressive behavior?
Do you recall all the times that Lela was heartless enough to ditch Fry based on a coin flip?
I don't recall them, because it's been a while. That does make my doc flavor make more sense, though. I hide in my Doc target's room overnight and attack any would-be assailants.
Except it's not a non-sequitur. For the reasons I previously stated, I believe iRebel is town. I've seen players counterclaim with roles they don't have before when they think the player they're counterclaiming is scum. I was rebutting his "hey guys this is my role let's lynch this guy" because that is my role. I made two statements above, and you're trying to link them together when his alignment is not tied to his counterclaim. I prefaced "I still believe you're town" with "don't get me wrong" for this reason. I'm not smearing iRebel, but I am challenging his claim.
As noted before, the Inventor role doesn't make sense as scum to me, and the way he approached it in-thread doesn't read as scummy either.
..............
Sure, but the way you went ahead to try and do that looked particularly slimy. You can express doubt about somebody CCing you without trying to undermine them. It just feels like you're talking out of both sides of your mouth about this.
@iRebel: I guess I can just investigate you Tonight, though I agree with DCIII that you're very unlikely to lie about that.
@Cythare again: How are you proving that you're the doc to me again? You already targeted me once this game and I didn't get a notification or anything.
Except it's not a non-sequitur. For the reasons I previously stated, I believe iRebel is town. I've seen players counterclaim with roles they don't have before when they think the player they're counterclaiming is scum. I was rebutting his "hey guys this is my role let's lynch this guy" because that is my role. I made two statements above, and you're trying to link them together when his alignment is not tied to his counterclaim. I prefaced "I still believe you're town" with "don't get me wrong" for this reason. I'm not smearing iRebel, but I am challenging his claim.
As noted before, the Inventor role doesn't make sense as scum to me, and the way he approached it in-thread doesn't read as scummy either.
..............
Sure, but the way you went ahead to try and do that looked particularly slimy. You can express doubt about somebody CCing you without trying to undermine them. It just feels like you're talking out of both sides of your mouth about this.
@Cythare again: How are you proving that you're the doc to me again? You already targeted me once this game and I didn't get a notification or anything.
You target me and then guess "Doctor" and EtR tells you whether you were right or wrong?
Do you usually get notifications when you've been doc protected?
I'm not paying attention. I don't want to rolecop you. I already know that there's a doc, and since nobody else is claiming one (save iRebel, but my ability didn't find him since his ability does something else), it's you. So I believe your claim.
I didn't even think about rolecopping since I already know what you are pretty much 100%. DCIII can if he feels so inclined, but I think he and I should probably split up and check iRebel/rezombied.
@Cythare:
I understand that Flavor is not a strong point, but the way you spun what I said made it sound a lot more like Vigilante Flavor rather than Doctor Flavor.
Can anyone think of explanations of the way the kills have played out that doesn't involve Shockwave's delayer claim of Muse being the reason?
I know that iRebel gave me the role cop gift - so there's no way I think that he's scum and granting both Blue and myself positive abilities - which makes me trust his doc claim.
I believe rezombied's claim because he was pretty insistent that there could be other explanations for the lack of a NK on Night 1 and refused to vote Idle. I pegged him as the doc at that point - but bulletproof also makes sense. I suppose it's possible that he's in line with Idle Muse - but I find that combo very unlikely. Basically, I believe his claim.
So I'm worried about a FIGHTING/Cythare gambit right now and the only thing hanging me up on that is that I can't reconcile the two kills last night.
Cythare and Muse would otherwise be what I'd suspect, but FIGHTING's claim that there's a doc that's not a partial role seems to preclude that - unless there is a three man scum team which explains all of the town power (still would have a doc/inventor, a tracker, a backup, a delayer, and a bulletproof and the neutral could potentially be after some of them as well).
I don't have any hard numbers on this, but I'm targeted more often than a black guy driving a beat-up sedan with a broken tail-light and no license plate, and Cy's well aware of that.
Can anyone think of explanations of the way the kills have played out that doesn't involve Shockwave's delayer claim of Muse being the reason?
I know that iRebel gave me the role cop gift - so there's no way I think that he's scum and granting both Blue and myself positive abilities - which makes me trust his doc claim.
I believe rezombied's claim because he was pretty insistent that there could be other explanations for the lack of a NK on Night 1 and refused to vote Idle. I pegged him as the doc at that point - but bulletproof also makes sense. I suppose it's possible that he's in line with Idle Muse - but I find that combo very unlikely. Basically, I believe his claim.
So I'm worried about a FIGHTING/Cythare gambit right now and the only thing hanging me up on that is that I can't reconcile the two kills last night.
Cythare and Muse would otherwise be what I'd suspect, but FIGHTING's claim that there's a doc that's not a partial role seems to preclude that - unless there is a three man scum team which explains all of the town power (still would have a doc/inventor, a tracker, a backup, a delayer, and a bulletproof and the neutral could potentially be after some of them as well).
Interested in thoughts of others.
I'm pretty sure we have caught scum in muse. The Delayed kill explanation makes the most sense. There's no way the scum have a toughguy kill, and if a vig hasn't claimed by now there isn't one. The only possible explanation would be that iRebel's N1 gift was a vig shot and that blue... shot..... guardman? But I don't think that makes any sense at all.
Razor says that muse tried to commit the NK and got delayed.
I agree with you on rezombied. He WAS very stubborn about the fact that there could be alternative explanations. I also thought he was the doc that I saw... but we know how that turned out.
Now that you've reminded me of rezombied's behavior, I think our scumteam has to be just Muse and Cythare, who are the roleblocker and the doctor, respectively. iRebel has this other inventor claim that he's used in pro-town manner all game, and rezombied's D2 behavior is not believable from a scum perspective.
Oh, and don't forget when balancing that you have to include TK as your third anti-town element. It's not just "town v. 2 scum," it's "town v. 2 scum and a hitman." With the protective role AND a roleblocker, the scum have two ways to counter TK, so they aren't even in that much danger. When you look at the setup from there it all fits pretty nicely.
I'm down to lynch either Today. Cythare is probably the most dangerous (as he's most experienced), so I'm happy to cut off the head.
So you think there are two mafia, one being a roleblocker and the other a doctor.
You think we should kill the doctor instead of killing the roleblocker and having dc3 check the doc?
I don't have any hard numbers on this, but I'm targeted more often than a black guy driving a beat-up sedan with a broken tail-light and no license plate, and Cy's well aware of that.
I don't guess anything and the mod tells me a random role that exists in the game that doesn't belong to the player I targeted.
Having admitted to being a gimmick, and therefore being experienced at mafia and/or reading, why would you think I was the doctor if your role says this? (your italics not mine).
Why would you say idle is a sure thing and then want to lynch cythare? Considering the fact that you believe cythare is a doc (#602) and rb is a more dangerous role.
Especially if iRebel isn't lying (which i think he is about the doc thing), idle should be the lynch today, and more than one night action can be performed by one person each night (which I have never encountered before).
So you think there are two mafia, one being a roleblocker and the other a doctor.
You think we should kill the doctor instead of killing the roleblocker and having dc3 check the doc?
Sorry, I misread DC3's gift as a regular cop and not a rolecop.
Just to clarify, I know for certain that Cythare is a doctor. there's no reason to check him.
Both Cythare and Muse are confirmed scum and I'll go either way. Like, just pick one. I picked Cythare because he's more experienced. It really won't matter.
I don't guess anything and the mod tells me a random role that exists in the game that doesn't belong to the player I targeted.
Having admitted to being a gimmick, and therefore being experienced at mafia and/or reading, why would you think I was the doctor if your role says this? (your italics not mine).
Why would you say idle is a sure thing and then want to lynch cythare? Considering the fact that you believe cythare is a doc (#602) and rb is a more dangerous role.
Especially if iRebel isn't lying (which i think he is about the doc thing), idle should be the lynch today, and more than one night action can be performed by one person each night (which I have never encountered before).
yeah, so my attention to this game has been subpar. this is the first day I've sat down and done any real work on this game, and trying to recreate my thought processes from memory (I don't take notes when I play mafia) has not worked out as well as I would hope.
I had forgotten about your D2 behavior until DCIII reminded me.
I was reconstructing this on the fly this afternoon from the public info and what I remembered. On D2 I knew about the doctor. You getting the way you did is what made me certain we had another protective role at the time, but I forgot about that when I made the list and today I just remembered that I had come to the conclusion that we had two protective roles, but not why.
...this will probably be the last game I play for a while. RL has been kicking my ass recently.
I don't guess anything and the mod tells me a random role that exists in the game that doesn't belong to the player I targeted.
Having admitted to being a gimmick, and therefore being experienced at mafia and/or reading, why would you think I was the doctor if your role says this? (your italics not mine).
Why would you say idle is a sure thing and then want to lynch cythare? Considering the fact that you believe cythare is a doc (#602) and rb is a more dangerous role.
Especially if iRebel isn't lying (which i think he is about the doc thing), idle should be the lynch today, and more than one night action can be performed by one person each night (which I have never encountered before).
I am not lying.
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I don't have any hard numbers on this, but I'm targeted more often than a black guy driving a beat-up sedan with a broken tail-light and no license plate, and Cy's well aware of that.
"How can we stop this? They've already killed Fry and there doesn't appear to be anything we can do! The threats are coming from every angle." DCIII looked around. "And each one has been stronger than the last."
"There's only one thing we can do. Sacrifice one of our own. It's clearly a demon that is causing these problems. Robot Satan had some unfinished business with us and I'm pretty sure that Roberto would join right in." Void glared at the crew. "You know, the stabby guy?"
"No, couldn't be Satan. He's on our side right?" At the same time the words left Rezombied's mouth, fire lept from the floor.
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Please be careful guys. Consider this a general warning to everyone.
@Idle:
My Mafia Stats are in my Sig. Look at all 15 or so games that Iso and I have played and find one game where Iso was wrong about my alignment. Seriously. Iso flipped Town and you're STILL trying to discredit him. You are Scum, please die.
I don't have any hard numbers on this, but I'm targeted more often than a black guy driving a beat-up sedan with a broken tail-light and no license plate, and Cy's well aware of that.
So I am thinking that DC should role cop Idle Muse toNight. He's claimed Vanilla, and with the probability of a two-man scum team being exceptionally high, Idle should return a result other than Vanilla.
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I don't have any hard numbers on this, but I'm targeted more often than a black guy driving a beat-up sedan with a broken tail-light and no license plate, and Cy's well aware of that.
I don't have any hard numbers on this, but I'm targeted more often than a black guy driving a beat-up sedan with a broken tail-light and no license plate, and Cy's well aware of that.
I already feel pretty good about Idle being scum so I was considering targeting FIGHTING just to be safe in the really off chance that it's not just a two man scum team... but I can target Idle if everyone prefers.
Now that Cythare is caught, I think the game is solved and Idle is the remaining scum.
Should we take that as an admission of being scum?
I lol'd.
@DCIII:
Targeting Idle is not the best move here. Idle will swing Tomorrow barring something strange. I would choose another target from the remaining players who you think could be lying about there claimed role. This is the best move here.
Agreed on the better course of action not being targeting Idle, Void. Since FIGHTING will be able to use her ability as a role cop now that everyone's claimed, I'll verify her and she can verify someone else.
Flavor: I hate Earth! If it wasn't for a few things on Earth that help me tolerate my wife I would have destroyed the planet ages ago.
Species: Omicronian
Planet: Omicron Persei 8
Robot Santa - Town Vanilla
Flavor: Everyone is naughty to me, however, I owe Planet Express for helping me get my naughty list back so I am going to help them out prior to returning to my regularly scheduled mayhem.
Species: Robot
Planet: Neptune
Also, I received a gift last night from iRebel (although it wasn't specified who I got it from, I'm sure it was him). I think it's also relevant to claim its ability - which is a one shot role cop.
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
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So first, the boring part:
I am Professor Farnsworth, Town Delivery Assigner. I know that each planet corresponds to a player (from the list I posted earlier), but I don't know which player. Each Night, I can assign a delivery to a planet, and the player who is associated with the selected planet will steal the shipment (they get a random one-shot ability. I have no idea what abilities are available or which is doled out). I cannot deliver to myself.
Night one I delivered to Earth (Miss Blue)
Night two I delivered to Neptune (DCIII)
Flavour: I'm 172 and I've seen some stuff in my time. I'm also kinda crazy, kinda brilliant, and an honorary Globetrotter. I am the owner and CEO of Planet Express, and I have a crew who does what I tell them to.
I'm not going to give up on living just yet, even though I have had an amazing life for someone born in prison. I'll resort to any measure needed to protect Planet Express and finally make her a profitable company.
Species: Human
Planet: Tova 9
So now for the exciting part!
I have a very big problem with this claim. Do you know why, Cythare? Because in addition to being the Town Delivery Assigner, I am also the Doctor. Which makes you scum.
Night 1 I protected Guardman.
Night 2 I protected DCIII.
Unvote; Vote: Cythare.
Cythare toDay, Idle tomorrow. GG.
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Don't get me wrong, I still believe you're town, but your counterclaim is hogwash.
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Either way, I believe the CC on Cythare as, otherwise, iRebel just incriminated himself without us being in an end game scenario - plus, I can confirm the first part of his ability, as did Blue, and I doubt that he'd give benefits to town players as scum.
My vote will be on Cythare but would like to discuss the overall power level of these claimed roles.
The Doc/ability distributor role (the second part confirmed as Blue and I both received gifts), plus FIGHTING's informational role, plus a delayer, plus a bulletproof, plus a tracker, plus a backup - considering TK's role, does that seem like an overpowered town? It does to me. It makes me think that there are some shenanigans going on within the PRs in addition to Cythare.
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So as I drunkenly mentioned, I had "solved" the setup already. Here's what I knew coming into Today (including the flips)
Investigative
Tracker (Guardman)
Rolecop (FIGHTING)
Protective
Doctor (Unknown)
[Another protective role.] (Unknown)
Offensive
*Hitman (TK)
Delayer (Shockwave)
Utility
Backup (Blue)
[Inventor] (iRebel)
Vanilla (Rhand)
Vanilla (Idle Muse)
[Vanilla]
[vanilla]
4 unknown (Cythare, rezombied, DCIII, Void)
Basically I was assigning two of each kind of role to each category, 8 total, with 4 vanillas left over. Coming into Day 2, I knew of the existence of a doc, and I assumed that there would be another protective role based on TK's role. My role is weak so I had speculated a second investigative role, and guardman's flip confirmed that. The hitman and delayer filled out the "offensive" category nicely, and I had iRebel speculatively slotted into the utility role. Blue flipping backup filled that in.
With all of the claims in, I can update...
Investigative
Tracker (Guardman)
Rolecop (FIGHTING)
Protective
Doctor (Cythare)
Bulletproof (rezombied)
Offensive
*Hitman (TK)
Delayer (Shockwave)
Utility
Backup (Blue)
Inventor/Doctor (iRebel)
Vanilla (Rhand)
Vanilla (Idle Muse)
Vanilla (Void)
vanilla (DCIII)
Italicized is "confirmed to me," meaning myself and dead players. We do have some mechanical confirmation for both Shock and iRebel. * denotes an anti-town role.
So we have two roles in each category and 4 vanillas. This conforms well with my speculation.
There's two wrinkles. One, I agree that the lineup is too powerful against a two-man scumteam if said scumteam is among the vanillas, and two, iRebel is apparently an unexpected third protective role.
Now, I checked with the mod on my role: I won't receive partial role info, so the doctor I saw is NOT iRebel. This means that I believe cythare's role claim.
So we now have a protective trichotomy. One of these three is scum almost assuredly. And I don't want to automatically assume that one of the docs is the scum because A) cythare is almost 100% guaranteed to actually be a doctor, and B) Hasty modgaming will lose us the game. There's a possibility we have two docs and that rezombied is our odd man out. I want to explore this before we close out the Day.
iRebel, if you're lying about your doc claim, now is the time to tell us. I don't want to mislynch Today based on a fake counterclaim. My inner setup designer is just going nuts about this role. it doesn't make sense to me.
hm, A bulletproof actually makes a lot of sense though along with a roleblocker (which would be their other PR). I will revisit this.
Anyway. Idle Muse is probably our roleblocker. If he tried to do the N1 kill he wouldn't have been able to use the roleblock, most likely.
I actually think we should just lynch confirmed scum Muse Today like we were going to.
@DCIII: shockwave claimed he delays only the person he targeted, so the protection would apply N1 and be gone by N2. I... agree that iRebel is unlikely scum for the CC, but the fact remains that I'm not willing to lynch based on said CC right now.
@cythare: >question iRebel's claim and try to discredit him
>"but you're still town though
so....... I guess you are scum?
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Based on his claim, I believe iRebel is Town. He confirmed his role to DCIII by sending him a gift last Night. The role doesn't make sense to me as a scum role. Despite him looking scummy to me D1, I believe him based on his role and on how he played it at the end of D1/D2. He didn't really have much content D2 that sways me either way. What part of that was unclear?
I have, although it's been a while. Why do you ask?
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This is what you said.
That doesn't look like "The role doesn't make sense as a scum role" to me.
You were clearly smearing iRebel and trying to cast doubt on his claim, but at the same time avoiding the commitment that comes with doing so by calling him town. NOW you're saying something completely different.
Please explain this.
Except it's not a non-sequitur. For the reasons I previously stated, I believe iRebel is town. I've seen players counterclaim with roles they don't have before when they think the player they're counterclaiming is scum. I was rebutting his "hey guys this is my role let's lynch this guy" because that is my role. I made two statements above, and you're trying to link them together when his alignment is not tied to his counterclaim. I prefaced "I still believe you're town" with "don't get me wrong" for this reason. I'm not smearing iRebel, but I am challenging his claim.
As noted before, the Inventor role doesn't make sense as scum to me, and the way he approached it in-thread doesn't read as scummy either.
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I am a double power role, and yes, I can use both per Night.
The bold sentence made me lol. Clearly the Doctor should just blindly target their top town reads and give no consideration to what the scum might do. You're a good enough player to recognise that proposition is ludicrous and a poor way to go about playing a Doctor. Doctor is a WIFOM role and requires you to try and out think the scum.
I am not lying.
I am counterclaiming you because I am the Doctor, not because I am trying to pull some elaborate gambit.
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Do you recall the episode where Lela had the shock collar put around her neck for extreme aggressive behavior?
Do you recall all the times that Lela was heartless enough to ditch Fry based on a coin flip?
Blindly, no. But I would rather target my top town reads, or at least target players that others likely think are Town. It's true that you have to out-think scum, but I usually go with people that are more likely to be town based on their previous actions.
Except that I am the Doctor. I'd be happy to prove it to either FIGHTING or DCIII toNight. Until then, we can go back and forth as much as you want, but it doesn't change the facts.
I don't recall them, because it's been a while. That does make my doc flavor make more sense, though. I hide in my Doc target's room overnight and attack any would-be assailants.
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Sure, but the way you went ahead to try and do that looked particularly slimy. You can express doubt about somebody CCing you without trying to undermine them. It just feels like you're talking out of both sides of your mouth about this.
@iRebel: I guess I can just investigate you Tonight, though I agree with DCIII that you're very unlikely to lie about that.
@Cythare again: How are you proving that you're the doc to me again? You already targeted me once this game and I didn't get a notification or anything.
If everybody knows I might as well just switch accounts.
I guess? I've never been CCed before.
You target me and then guess "Doctor" and EtR tells you whether you were right or wrong?
Do you usually get notifications when you've been doc protected?
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I'm not paying attention. I don't want to rolecop you. I already know that there's a doc, and since nobody else is claiming one (save iRebel, but my ability didn't find him since his ability does something else), it's you. So I believe your claim.
I didn't even think about rolecopping since I already know what you are pretty much 100%. DCIII can if he feels so inclined, but I think he and I should probably split up and check iRebel/rezombied.
I've know since your second post.
I understand that Flavor is not a strong point, but the way you spun what I said made it sound a lot more like Vigilante Flavor rather than Doctor Flavor.
I know that iRebel gave me the role cop gift - so there's no way I think that he's scum and granting both Blue and myself positive abilities - which makes me trust his doc claim.
I believe rezombied's claim because he was pretty insistent that there could be other explanations for the lack of a NK on Night 1 and refused to vote Idle. I pegged him as the doc at that point - but bulletproof also makes sense. I suppose it's possible that he's in line with Idle Muse - but I find that combo very unlikely. Basically, I believe his claim.
So I'm worried about a FIGHTING/Cythare gambit right now and the only thing hanging me up on that is that I can't reconcile the two kills last night.
Cythare and Muse would otherwise be what I'd suspect, but FIGHTING's claim that there's a doc that's not a partial role seems to preclude that - unless there is a three man scum team which explains all of the town power (still would have a doc/inventor, a tracker, a backup, a delayer, and a bulletproof and the neutral could potentially be after some of them as well).
Interested in thoughts of others.
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If I had to take a guess, you're Seppel or Meggido, in that order.
As for Cythare, if he's a Doctor, he is a Mafia Doctor. There is no way in hell there are two Town Doctor's in a Mini.
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Razor says that muse tried to commit the NK and got delayed.
I agree with you on rezombied. He WAS very stubborn about the fact that there could be alternative explanations. I also thought he was the doc that I saw... but we know how that turned out.
Now that you've reminded me of rezombied's behavior, I think our scumteam has to be just Muse and Cythare, who are the roleblocker and the doctor, respectively. iRebel has this other inventor claim that he's used in pro-town manner all game, and rezombied's D2 behavior is not believable from a scum perspective.
Oh, and don't forget when balancing that you have to include TK as your third anti-town element. It's not just "town v. 2 scum," it's "town v. 2 scum and a hitman." With the protective role AND a roleblocker, the scum have two ways to counter TK, so they aren't even in that much danger. When you look at the setup from there it all fits pretty nicely.
I'm down to lynch either Today. Cythare is probably the most dangerous (as he's most experienced), so I'm happy to cut off the head.
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and cythare is 99% a mafia doctor. these are my conclusions.
I'm pretty sure we're just on autopilot now actually. Scumteam can feel free to concede.
You think we should kill the doctor instead of killing the roleblocker and having dc3 check the doc?
Are you Meggido? lol.
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Having admitted to being a gimmick, and therefore being experienced at mafia and/or reading, why would you think I was the doctor if your role says this? (your italics not mine).
Why would you say idle is a sure thing and then want to lynch cythare? Considering the fact that you believe cythare is a doc (#602) and rb is a more dangerous role.
Especially if iRebel isn't lying (which i think he is about the doc thing), idle should be the lynch today, and more than one night action can be performed by one person each night (which I have never encountered before).
Just to clarify, I know for certain that Cythare is a doctor. there's no reason to check him.
Both Cythare and Muse are confirmed scum and I'll go either way. Like, just pick one. I picked Cythare because he's more experienced. It really won't matter.
yeah, so my attention to this game has been subpar. this is the first day I've sat down and done any real work on this game, and trying to recreate my thought processes from memory (I don't take notes when I play mafia) has not worked out as well as I would hope.
I had forgotten about your D2 behavior until DCIII reminded me.
Let me direct you back to this post:
I was reconstructing this on the fly this afternoon from the public info and what I remembered. On D2 I knew about the doctor. You getting the way you did is what made me certain we had another protective role at the time, but I forgot about that when I made the list and today I just remembered that I had come to the conclusion that we had two protective roles, but not why.
...this will probably be the last game I play for a while. RL has been kicking my ass recently.
I think I've seen what I need to and do think it's likely that it's a Cythare and Idle Muse scum team.
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2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
I am not lying.
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"There's only one thing we can do. Sacrifice one of our own. It's clearly a demon that is causing these problems. Robot Satan had some unfinished business with us and I'm pretty sure that Roberto would join right in." Void glared at the crew. "You know, the stabby guy?"
"No, couldn't be Satan. He's on our side right?" At the same time the words left Rezombied's mouth, fire lept from the floor.
"YOU RANG?"
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Cythare (3): iRebel, FIGHTING, DCIII
Idle Muse (2): Shockwave07, Rezombied
Not Voting: Cythare, Void, Idle Muse
Votes should be accurate through post #617. Please let me know if there are any mistakes.
Please be careful guys. Consider this a general warning to everyone.
My Mafia Stats are in my Sig. Look at all 15 or so games that Iso and I have played and find one game where Iso was wrong about my alignment. Seriously. Iso flipped Town and you're STILL trying to discredit him. You are Scum, please die.
Thought I had already voted him...
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Should we take that as an admission of being scum?
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Twilight will last until at least 7PM.
Now that Cythare is caught, I think the game is solved and Idle is the remaining scum.
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2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
I lol'd.
@DCIII:
Targeting Idle is not the best move here. Idle will swing Tomorrow barring something strange. I would choose another target from the remaining players who you think could be lying about there claimed role. This is the best move here.
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player