My friend says that Mogg Sentry's effect can be triggered during it's owner's turn, because "an opponent" means any player since everyone is technically an opponent. I didn't think that was right, can someone please clear this up for us.
so would the same apply to him? Would he damage both players with his ability?
He is saying that at the time the card came out based on the rules at the time Mogg Sentry's ability could be used during both player's turns. He says one of his friends at college who had gone to tournaments and won a few said judges ruled it that way. Have the rules changed since then or what? Has opponent always been defined as someone other than yourself? He thinks logic dictates that "an opponent means any player in the current duel since everyone is an opponent. People that have played since the beginning and people who know the rules well, please help me put this argument to rest. thanks.
Please use card tags in future posts. The Forum Guidelines explain how to do that. -Carsten
Opponent is an english word with a completely unambiguous meaning in the context of a game. You cannot score using your own goal in soccer by arguing that your goal belongs to an opponent of your opponent and thus is an "opponent's goal".
Cards that intend to affect each player with say "each player". Cards that intend to affect only their controller's opponents will say "each opponent". Ask your friend what he think Extort is supposed to do in a single player game.
My friend says that Mogg Sentry's effect can be triggered during it's owner's turn,
A Mogg Sentry under your control (ownership being irrelevant) can trigger during any turn -- as long as a spell is being cast by your opponent. This can be a Melee during your opponent's turn, or a Siren's Call during yours.
He thinks logic dictates that "an opponent means any player in the current duel since everyone is an opponent.
I think the rules dictate that "an opponent means any player in the current duel who is not on your side".
102.2. In a two-player game, a player's opponent is the other player.
102.3. In a multiplayer game between teams, a player's teammates are the other players on his or her team, and the player's opponents are all players not on his or her team.
If Mogg Sentry's trigger condition meant "Whenever a player casts a spell", it would say "Whenever a player casts a spell".
The Mogg Sentry is controlled by you, thus the ability is too. As previously stated, it can trigger on anyone's turn, but only if he is the one casting a spell.
Sure, technically both players are opponents, but when an ability refers "you" it means you, and "opponent" means the other player(s).
what vorthospike said about controller is important..... any time the word "you" is on a card, imagine it says "this card's controller" or "this ability's controller" and any time "opponent" is on a card, imagine it says "this card's controller's opponent" or "this ability's controller's opponent"
There was NEVER a time in the rules where what you were told was correct. (about the opponent part, anyway) Maybe when he was new and didn't understand the rules he played it that way, but that does not make it correct.
As for Guttersnipe, try the exercise I just stated...
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Also Guttersnipe is worded the same way
He is saying that at the time the card came out based on the rules at the time Mogg Sentry's ability could be used during both player's turns. He says one of his friends at college who had gone to tournaments and won a few said judges ruled it that way. Have the rules changed since then or what? Has opponent always been defined as someone other than yourself? He thinks logic dictates that "an opponent means any player in the current duel since everyone is an opponent. People that have played since the beginning and people who know the rules well, please help me put this argument to rest. thanks.
Please use card tags in future posts. The Forum Guidelines explain how to do that. -Carsten
Opponent is an english word with a completely unambiguous meaning in the context of a game. You cannot score using your own goal in soccer by arguing that your goal belongs to an opponent of your opponent and thus is an "opponent's goal".
Cards that intend to affect each player with say "each player". Cards that intend to affect only their controller's opponents will say "each opponent". Ask your friend what he think Extort is supposed to do in a single player game.
A Mogg Sentry under your control (ownership being irrelevant) can trigger during any turn -- as long as a spell is being cast by your opponent. This can be a Melee during your opponent's turn, or a Siren's Call during yours.
I think the rules dictate that "an opponent means any player in the current duel who is not on your side".
If Mogg Sentry's trigger condition meant "Whenever a player casts a spell", it would say "Whenever a player casts a spell".
Sure, technically both players are opponents, but when an ability refers "you" it means you, and "opponent" means the other player(s).
what vorthospike said about controller is important..... any time the word "you" is on a card, imagine it says "this card's controller" or "this ability's controller" and any time "opponent" is on a card, imagine it says "this card's controller's opponent" or "this ability's controller's opponent"
There was NEVER a time in the rules where what you were told was correct. (about the opponent part, anyway) Maybe when he was new and didn't understand the rules he played it that way, but that does not make it correct.
As for Guttersnipe, try the exercise I just stated...