Round 1:
DGB is the first person to look town.
As of page 7 we have a Tammy / Nacho / Iso / DC scumpile.
I think I'll be able to solve this one.
Thank you for 150 Nacho!
Vi is probably town, but I'll read Thor's progression.
Reading your progression entails entirely rereading Vi, probably several times.
And Vi isn't a good person to focus D1 effort on most of the time but eh.
Even without looking at Vi's posts (though I did that and couldn't find the mapping to the timeline), your timeline isn't incriminating.
In fact I would go so far as to say it is boring and sucks
Probably a desire for meaningful conversation existed and then you looked like scum so Vi pointed this out.
That doesn't even preclude 'meaningful conversation' and even if it did, you looking like scum would naturally take priority anyway.
@Cyouni:
In re: roundabout language - See "no more than one".
In re: all game - I misjudged Cyan based on his endgame play.
As for Nacho, in the rare instances that I've been able to work with him (the rarity being particularly bothersome considering the number of games I've played with him) it has worked out very well.
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Thor seems to be under the impression that holding reasonable pro-Town discussion with someone who does starts the game off with two scummy moves is an idea I should have stuck to.
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Quote from "llamarble 202" »
As of page 7 we have a Tammy / Nacho / Iso / DC scumpile.
You literally just named my entire Town list. Combined with how you asked for a reserved seat on the Viwagon, I'm not exactly psyched.
It seems odd that you'd choose this to pick at - that line of logic doesn't really address the point. It's oblique at best.
Say Iso concedes the point - it's not analogous to the situation in the previous game. The whole point about them appearing to be busing still exists. That retort means nothing.
His argument was that we were bussing because it worked so well in the last game for scum.
Even if we presume that all three of his scumspects are going to base a large amount of their play on the last game they completed together as opposed to their scum play over probably a large number of years having play experience as scum - that still begs the question of why he thinks it is bussing in the first place, and I was asking him if he saw us as scum, and then decided we were bussing - or if he saw us voting, decided it was bussing,a nd then decided we were scum.
It's actually a very direct and important question about what he said he was seeing - how do you not see that and, indeed, see it as a dodge of his point?
If his point was that you were busing solely because it worked in the previous game, sure.
You're misreading that - that was addressed at dC. (I felt it necessary to leave in the massive nested quote for context, which is most likely causing the problem.)
I agree - asking how Iso sees that as busing is an important question.
However, the point dC was making revolved around Iso's argument being solely "busing worked in the previous game, so they're busing now". The whole retort he was describing was solely based on attacking the simile, which wasn't even the argument.
Obviously he finds the situations identical, since the question's even being asked. I'd like to see your explanation.
He finds them similar.
I do not and am asking him to justify how they are similar.
Do you find them similar? If so, why, if not, why do you think I should need to try to defend myself from a nonsensical attack?
For the sake of my sanity, please specify where the differences lie instead of just saying "no, they're not".
The general circumstances are similar, but the specifics I'm not so sure about.
I'm not seeing the connection here. Clarify it for me.
Timeline
1. Vi says she normally avoids me because Thor iz motormouth lulz!!1!
2. Vi decides not to ignore me this game.
3. She says it was because I actually talked normally at the end of last game, so she thought we could have meaningful conversation instead of usual Thor bluster.
4. I say, if that's what you wanted, why did you open conversation with an attack on me? That would, naturally, make me react negatively, especially since it was a dumb attack.
5. Vi says, well, naw, you looked scummy, so I had to attack.
6. I say, well, since that was your first interaction with me, why are you explaining this idea of pro-town communication with me, since clearly that was *never* a goal.
7. Vi grows a second mouth and starts talking around the point.
8. I decide that she did #3 as a pro town sounding meaningless post, and that she never intended to do that, and therefore she's lying to cover up the truth, and therefore is scum.
9. I call her scum and ask others to look at the interaction.
10. You find it too difficult to do (probably because the Iso feature sucks, and you skimmed all the posts anyway)
11. I write a timeline.
Make sense?
It's more than slightly annoying to track back through the quotes when random ones simply have post numbers as an identifier.
Anyways, I need to check #7, because that's where the main issue lies.
Hey, I gave up my Viwagon seat.
Anyhow, it's my first pass. If it turns out I was wrong, I'll change my mind.
I don't particularly expect to fail to catch any scum though. Roster repetition is extremely powerful for town imo.
Round 1:
DGB is the first person to look town.
As of page 7 we have a Tammy / Nacho / Iso / DC scumpile.
I think I'll be able to solve this one.
Thank you for 150 Nacho!
Vi is probably town, but I'll read Thor's progression.
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The president of the "I can read Tammy" fan club called and said your probationary period has been extended.
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In other news, I fell asleep while trying to figure out how to change the amount of posts you see per page last night. Yes, I'm that special. I have grading and book designing to do tonight, but I will get caught up here too.
@DYH: KoL seems a fair bit more assertive/direct in this game than he did in the original. But that doesn't mean that much, it's easy to just play sloppy when you know that you're a town power role and can never actually get lynched.
There's something about this statement that's been bugging me. I don't know what it is, maybe it's nothing, but it's bugging me.
In the first game, KoL was the Doc, and just acted scummy(in a nonchalant way, not like Vierni in this game) all day long until he was ultimately forced to claim.
I've found that, in general, people tend to play much looser when they know that they can't actually get lynched(because of a role like Doc, etc).
Would you care to vote Mr. Thou with me, Tammy? I need attention too, and Nacho is just going to waffle on the sidelines, so etc.
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But other than that, aside from DYH seeming to hang out on the sidelines I don't have a lot worth saying that hasn't already been said. There are at least two people who haven't posted yet and their input should be fascinating.
I haven't seen anything vote-worthy from Thor yet. I don't pretend to know how to actually read Thor, but there are a couple things I think I've picked up that helps and haven't happened yet, so thors read remains Thor, though ever so slightly town for making me laugh.
But dyh said Tammy > fate. Is that a good thing? If not, let's string him up!
In the first game, KoL was the Doc, and just acted scummy(in a nonchalant way, not like Vierni in this game) all day long until he was ultimately forced to claim.
Acting scummy like trying to get Thorscum lynched and even asking for an extension to this end???
I think it's pretty well established that my wagon was a derpwagon. No one could give a single reason why they voted me, except that I was scum for confusing Cyan and Cyouni on page 2.
The reaction that he had seemed to fit the town personality of the curmudgeon that I got from last game. That doesn't mean I've written him off; it means that he made a townish-looking move early and hasn't done anything else too alignment indicative. Are you reading him as scummy?
I don't know. I find it odd that he made that vote based on the post made during confirmations and then didn't comment on anything else until Vi commented on the vote. Even if he thought the posts between Thor, kami and I were uninspiring, Vi had made posts as well, but there was nothing. It also really doesn't fit with his whole "I want Vi to be the focus of the day" schtick.
I looked back at the beginning of the last game and he did do an early "iso is scum" thing but he wasn't so stodgy and was a bit more interactive overall.
Mostly I'm trying to get a feel for you though.
I'm guessing him interacting more has something to do with him going a bit easier on the MSers, which is something he talked about somewhere in last game.[/QUOTE]
No, I was saying he was more interactive last game. He was convinced iso was scum at the start, but he kept scumhunting and interacting elsewhere. I remember one post where he commented on something and named three people and said something like "you're all just competing for my vote" whereas here he's just like "I found vierni, I don't need to do anything else." That's what's bothering me.
Even without looking at Vi's posts (though I did that and couldn't find the mapping to the timeline), your timeline isn't incriminating.
In fact I would go so far as to say it is boring and sucks
Probably a desire for meaningful conversation existed and then you looked like scum so Vi pointed this out.
Can you clarify how you think that works? Because I don't think it does.
Thor seems to be under the impression that holding reasonable pro-Town discussion with someone who does starts the game off with two scummy moves is an idea I should have stuck to.
Why did you ever bring it up as a reason to speak to me then?
It was never a reason, you spoke to me because you thought I was being scummy.
The general circumstances are similar, but the specifics I'm not so sure about.
Well, yeah, firetrucks, apples, and cherries are all red, but it doesn't make them all fruit. A general similarity is utterly meaningless unless you can explain why they are similar enough to be relatable to the point.
No, I was saying he was more interactive last game. He was convinced iso was scum at the start, but he kept scumhunting and interacting elsewhere. I remember one post where he commented on something and named three people and said something like "you're all just competing for my vote" whereas here he's just like "I found vierni, I don't need to do anything else." That's what's bothering me.
One of the MtGSers (I forget who...and the iso feature here sucks) though commented that this game looked more like normal Cyan.
And though i wouldn't want to swear it was about Cyan (call me >50% on this) I know one of the town players from MtGS was torn down for not playing like he normally did in the last game.
If you're going to do research on him, why is one game enough to start making value calls about his play? And if it bothers you, why wouldn't you check, say, a second or third game to get a better understanding of what is 'norm' for him?
But dyh said Tammy > fate. Is that a good thing? If not, let's string him up!
It's not a bad thing. However, I'm still nonplussed by DYH's sidelining given how well that worked in the last game, so if you want to string him up I'm not against.
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Why did you ever bring it up as a reason to speak to me then?
It was never a reason, you spoke to me because you thought I was being scummy.
That's actually the point I'm making.
While I thank you for finally saying the point you're trying to get across in a way that I can understand, it was a reason I didn't act on because you were being scummy.
If you would like for me to continue in this vein you so dearly missed, consider this logic. I can wager that everyone else on my wagon is (using your term) derpy, but of the four people there you're my top choice for scum because I know you know that what you're pushing is bad. Plus by this time I think you'd have noticed that the two people I'd expect to know Vi meta (aside from me, since I've been saying I'm god-tier gold-tier Town, but etc. y'know) have called out that I'm Town, but that doesn't seem to be convenient for you, so you're continuing as you are. I wouldn't buy Cyan as Town were it not for two other people vouching for him, and in the event that DYH turned out to be scum I'd put him back on the table. Goofball isn't acting particularly scummily beyond the lurking and lack of contributing and the fact that her vote is so flimsy it hurts to post in the same thread as it but look at post 206; it doesn't seem like something scumball would post. I can kind of buy Iso being the same person he was in the previous game; nothing really strikes me as particularly off besides the sort of stuff he was doing in the previous game.
And since the wagon on me has lingered for several pages as the only real push out there, I find it extremely difficult to believe that all four of you are tunneled Town. I think someone has a vested interest in seeing if this wagon will keep up, or at least hiding behind it.
Would you like to continue a dialogue on this subject?
(Also, you're thinking of Iso and DYH vouching for Cyan, and Iso getting attacked in the previous game.)
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Quote from Thor 219 »
Ummm...I will agree Vi has chosen a quote method that is anti-town...?
It's the same one I use on mafiascum, which back when I started using it was a vast improvement. I've been told it kills puppies, which is actually really worrisome because etc..
While I thank you for finally saying the point you're trying to get across in a way that I can understand, it was a reason I didn't act on because you were being scummy.
She said...and then proceeded to not address it.
Again.
I can wager that everyone else on my wagon is (using your term) derpy, but of the four people there you're my top choice for scum because I know you know that what you're pushing is bad. Plus by this time I think you'd have noticed that the two people I'd expect to know Vi meta (aside from me, since I've been saying I'm god-tier gold-tier Town, but etc. y'know) have called out that I'm Town, but that doesn't seem to be convenient for you, so you're continuing as you are.
Appeals to the masses aside, I'm not sure why that is supposed to sell me.
I wouldn't buy Cyan as Town were it not for two other people vouching for him, and in the event that DYH turned out to be scum I'd put him back on the table. Goofball isn't acting particularly scummily beyond the lurking and lack of contributing and the fact that her vote is so flimsy it hurts to post in the same thread as it but look at post 206; it doesn't seem like something scumball would post. I can kind of buy Iso being the same person he was in the previous game; nothing really strikes me as particularly off besides the sort of stuff he was doing in the previous game.
There is so much being written here with so little being said.
And since the wagon on me has lingered for several pages as the only real push out there, I find it extremely difficult to believe that all four of you are tunneled Town. I think someone has a vested interest in seeing if this wagon will keep up, or at least hiding behind it.
And since you ruled out everyone else, I suppose we'll make the stunning leap to me...which had nothing to do with your earlier attack on me, or finding me scummy before this push, or the point I've made against you.
Ummm...I will agree Vi has chosen a quote method that is anti-town...?
It's the same one I use on mafiascum, which back when I started using it was a vast improvement. I've been told it kills puppies, which is actually really worrisome because etc..
Hey, look, she doesn't hav time to actually address my issue even though she now claims to understand it, instead spiraling into a weird diatrabe about her wagon.
But she does have time to deflect this...whoop-de-doo.
I was a part of our D1 scumlynch, shot someone who claimed they had role information indicating I was scum, and then simply went to work removing the remaining candidates D2 after it was established we had sufficient kills to remove the whole lynchpool.
Not one of my many all star performances, but anyone who wants to say I sucked can stfu.
I'm not sure how I could say more than I already have on the subject.
And, hey. If you're not going to argue that anyone else on the wagon is scum, or that it's likely that I have four Townies on my wagon, I suppose you don't disagree with me.
And, hey. If you're not going to argue that anyone else on the wagon is scum, or that it's likely that I have four Townies on my wagon, I suppose you don't disagree with me.
Yes, clearly that is what I meant and it strengthens your position.
No, I was saying he was more interactive last game. He was convinced iso was scum at the start, but he kept scumhunting and interacting elsewhere. I remember one post where he commented on something and named three people and said something like "you're all just competing for my vote" whereas here he's just like "I found vierni, I don't need to do anything else." That's what's bothering me.
One of the MtGSers (I forget who...and the iso feature here sucks) though commented that this game looked more like normal Cyan.
And though i wouldn't want to swear it was about Cyan (call me >50% on this) I know one of the town players from MtGS was torn down for not playing like he normally did in the last game.
If you're going to do research on him, why is one game enough to start making value calls about his play? And if it bothers you, why wouldn't you check, say, a second or third game to get a better understanding of what is 'norm' for him?
I haven't gotten there yet.
Where did I say I did research on Cyan? I read the last few pages of the last game after Cyan mentioned how the last game went down, and read the first few pages of the game to see how you all interacted with each other and to see how Kami posted to see how valid Cyan's assumptions about that bussing comment was. And in that review to see if Kami's posting was as I expected it would be, it was, I noticed what I said bothered me about Cyan.
And why isn't one game enough for me to ask questions about Nacho's expectations about Cyan, seeing as how that's the one game they've played together, to get a feel for Nacho and to get a feel for Cyan? I'm not making a meta case for or against Cyan and I never said I was. I'm perfectly within my bounds to be bothered that something is different from what I see in the one game where everyone here played together and ask about it.
Also, Cyan is using that one game to make value judgments about not only Kami but also Vierni. Have you gone the chastisey route for improper meta accusations there? Because if not, why not?
(Interestingly enough, the one person I have done meta research on is the only one I've claimed to. And that's me looking through Vi's games to see if he does the reach out thing as scum.)
I liked his response to his vote because it was a town sounding reaction.
Specifics. This says nothing.
This is busy work, just like the rest of your responses and questions in this wall. It doesn't actually engage in the game nor does it offer up your own thoughts on any matters.
I can't be more specific about how a post sounds town to me. I lack the ability to describe the magical process by where a post looks like a town sounding post.
Of course you can. Everything has reasons, though the reasons may not make sense at times.
Saying that you can't specify anything at all is just a reason to avoid answering.
And it's not terribly hard to follow anyone's thoughts.
For example, I find issues with one person's statements, and not another's. It couldn't be that I don't like that person's posts, could it?
I have no idea what you're trying to say in the last portion of that post.
And my response says enough. It's telling you that I think Vi's response to being voted sounded town to me. Sometimes things feel like town post just as sometimes they feel like a scum post. If you disagree feel free to tell me why you disagree. Clearly you feel like everyone should have reasons for why they do or don't like it and if you did like it you wouldn't be asking me about it because it would resonate with you. So, why did you take issue with it?
Tammy has been town since her opening; her play versus me as scum is not confrontational, and usually ends up as something that is as limited in her interactions with me as possible while still trying to look town and scumhunt. I have trouble imagining her as scum opening up so aggressively, especially when she doesn't have the same confidence in her scumgame as she does in her towngame. I liked her reachout to KoL because it felt like she was building up cred in being able to read me since her reads on me are usually more based on gut/tone than more tangible/easy to explain things. I also liked how her questioning of cyan/vote on cyouni played out; if she were scum, it looked like she was posturing to vote cyan in order to chainsaw Vi, but the end result ended up being a vote on an offshoot (and probably the best vote in the thread, so that's a bonus!).
How does this match up with the scum game i played that just ended. I think I interacted with you and confronted you early day one and day two. In fact you told me that the way I was trying to sort you was weird because I was trying to get you to follow me onto another person's wagon that you were townreading at the time, and then I voted you. I mean you're right that I don't have any confidence in my scum game and I like the read because it's right for the most part, but I am capable of interacting with you when I'm scum.
And if it was the best vote in the thread, how come you or nobody else is on it with me?
I'll make a wager right now that your Cyan/Cyouni/Vierni team contains no more than one scum (but a whole lot of vowels).
This feels unnecessary/completely fluff. Especially the 'whole lot of vowels' bit. I don't know, something about it that I'm having a hard time putting into words really rubs me the wrong way. It feels like Vierni is just saying 'I'm the only scum in this group'. Without actually saying that.
You didn't. You did however extract info on him from a game and bring it into thread, and I drew a logical inference. If you're just tossing out stuff to see how Nacho reacts to it then...well, now you have my reaction to. Bully for you.
Also, Cyan is using that one game to make value judgments about not only Kami but also Vierni. Have you gone the chastisey route for improper meta accusations there? Because if not, why not?
Is chastisey = chastise? I'm going to presume so.
I have called out a number of people for using poor meta, I know I've done it in this game, though will accept I haven't done it to every occurrence. You may feel free to scumhunt off my choices of which to address - I call out the ones that ping me.
In another line of discussion - what's your take on the Vi thing, and do you agree with Llamarble that she has addressed my issue?
You didn"t. You did however extract info on him from a game and bring it into thread, and I drew a logical inference. If you"re just tossing out stuff to see how Nacho reacts to it then...well, now you have my reaction to. Bully for you.[/quote »
Well it's a silly reaction. And I never said "I'm tossing out stuff". I made an observation based on the one game you all played together both to get a feel for my read on cyan as well as nacho, which should be abundantly clear if you follow the progression of my conversation with nacho. You're the one who came up with the assinine how much meta research did you do for something that pinged me as odd. Quite frankly I fail to see your point and think you're just filling up the thread to fill it up.
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[QUOTE=Tammy;/comments/12598958]And why isn't one game enough for me to ask questions about Nacho's expectations about Cyan, seeing as how that's the one game they've played together
Since that is nowhere close to what I said...I dunno, is it not good enough?
Then your point for the meta lecture was what again?
Also, Cyan is using that one game to make value judgments about not only Kami but also Vierni. Have you gone the chastisey route for improper meta accusations there? Because if not, why not?
Is chastisey = chastise? I'm going to presume so.
I have called out a number of people for using poor meta, I know I've done it in this game, though will accept I haven't done it to every occurrence. You may feel free to scumhunt off my choices of which to address - I call out the ones that ping me.
Okay selective scumhunting duly noted. Thanks for admit in to it ahead of time.
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In another line of discussion - what's your take on the Vi thing, and do you agree with Llamarble that she has addressed my issue?
Haven't gotten there yet, but considering I've said i liked more than one of his posts, and checked several of his games looking to see If he does the reach out thing as scum and so far have only found one as town, I'm not sold on him being scum here and think he's more likely to be town.
You're the one who came up with the assinine how much meta research did you do for something that pinged me as odd. Quite frankly I fail to see your point and think you're just filling up the thread to fill it up.
You foudn something odd.
You had done some level of research into his meta (you have called me out now for suggesting it was 'research' and for suggesting it was 'just tossed out' so I'm not sure whether I am supposed to claim coherent thought behind it or not - so let's just presume that when I say 'research' I mean 'whatever level of awareness you have about his playstyle' and leave it at that.
But you got pinged, did research, and then stopped dead and asked Nacho to pick up the ball and run with it.
You have answered that it was to scumhunt Nacho. That is fine.
I fail to understand why me questioning that to get this clarification is such an unusual thing, because it seems quite logical to, if you had done some research on a ping to keep doing more until you had your own answer, even if you then wanted to ask others about it.
Then your point for the meta lecture was what again?
About what I said above which is also what I said when I first asked you - I was curious why you didn't walk the extra dozen feet having already taken the first step.
Haven't gotten there yet, but considering I've said i liked more than one of his posts, and checked several of his games looking to see If he does the reach out thing as scum and so far have only found one as town, I'm not sold on him being scum here and think he's more likely to be town.
I look forward to you eventually selective scumhunting...oh, wait, I mean, being unable to scumhunt everyone constantly I look forward to you eventually scumhunting Vi some more so you can answer my question.
Vierni (4) - Cyan, Thor665, Kami of Lunacy, Iso Thor665 (3) - Vierni, desCoures, llamarble Cyouni (1) - Tammy
Not Voting (4) - Nachomamma8, Cyouni, Voxxicus, DYH
With 12 still alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
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Whatever. I have evaluations tomorrow morning and am going to sleep. I'll finish catching up tomorrow, maybe by then my intense desire to hurl an insult wall back at thors insipidness will subside.
Whatever. I have evaluations tomorrow morning and am going to sleep. I'll finish catching up tomorrow, maybe by then my intense desire to hurl an insult wall back at thors insipidness will subside.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
It is utterly uninteresting that Vi experienced an impulse but something else determined their behavior.
That Vi decided to mention said impulse anyway is also uninteresting.
This will be a game where we find scum by actually thinking about things.
Why did you ever bring it up as a reason to speak to me then?
It was never a reason, you spoke to me because you thought I was being scummy.
That's actually the point I'm making.
While I thank you for finally saying the point you're trying to get across in a way that I can understand, it was a reason I didn't act on because you were being scummy.
Probably a desire for meaningful conversation existed and then you looked like scum so Vi pointed this out.
That doesn't even preclude 'meaningful conversation' and even if it did, you looking like scum would naturally take priority anyway.
DGB is the first person to look town.
As of page 7 we have a Tammy / Nacho / Iso / DC scumpile.
I think I'll be able to solve this one.
Thank you for 150 Nacho!
Vi is probably town, but I'll read Thor's progression.
And Vi isn't a good person to focus D1 effort on most of the time but eh.
In fact I would go so far as to say it is boring and sucks
Probably a desire for meaningful conversation existed and then you looked like scum so Vi pointed this out.
That doesn't even preclude 'meaningful conversation' and even if it did, you looking like scum would naturally take priority anyway.
I hope you don't have a vig shot this time.
In re: roundabout language - See "no more than one".
In re: all game - I misjudged Cyan based on his endgame play.
As for Nacho, in the rare instances that I've been able to work with him (the rarity being particularly bothersome considering the number of games I've played with him) it has worked out very well.
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Thor seems to be under the impression that holding reasonable pro-Town discussion with someone who does starts the game off with two scummy moves is an idea I should have stuck to.
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You literally just named my entire Town list. Combined with how you asked for a reserved seat on the Viwagon, I'm not exactly psyched.
If his point was that you were busing solely because it worked in the previous game, sure.You're misreading that - that was addressed at dC. (I felt it necessary to leave in the massive nested quote for context, which is most likely causing the problem.)
I agree - asking how Iso sees that as busing is an important question.
However, the point dC was making revolved around Iso's argument being solely "busing worked in the previous game, so they're busing now". The whole retort he was describing was solely based on attacking the simile, which wasn't even the argument.
Make sense?
For the sake of my sanity, please specify where the differences lie instead of just saying "no, they're not".
The general circumstances are similar, but the specifics I'm not so sure about.
It's more than slightly annoying to track back through the quotes when random ones simply have post numbers as an identifier.
Anyways, I need to check #7, because that's where the main issue lies.
Anyhow, it's my first pass. If it turns out I was wrong, I'll change my mind.
I don't particularly expect to fail to catch any scum though. Roster repetition is extremely powerful for town imo.
For clarity.
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The president of the "I can read Tammy" fan club called and said your probationary period has been extended.
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In other news, I fell asleep while trying to figure out how to change the amount of posts you see per page last night. Yes, I'm that special. I have grading and book designing to do tonight, but I will get caught up here too.
There's something about this statement that's been bugging me. I don't know what it is, maybe it's nothing, but it's bugging me.
I've found that, in general, people tend to play much looser when they know that they can't actually get lynched(because of a role like Doc, etc).
I haven't seen anything vote-worthy from Thor yet. I don't pretend to know how to actually read Thor, but there are a couple things I think I've picked up that helps and haven't happened yet, so thors read remains Thor, though ever so slightly town for making me laugh.
But dyh said Tammy > fate. Is that a good thing? If not, let's string him up!
I think it's pretty well established that my wagon was a derpwagon. No one could give a single reason why they voted me, except that I was scum for confusing Cyan and Cyouni on page 2.
And I have observed the opposite. But hey. If that means you're going to selectively NK the VTs... have it your way!
Let me just go ahead and quote your avatar. *****, plz.
As if I'm not the decisive one around here. Hey, I am sometimes!
I'm guessing him interacting more has something to do with him going a bit easier on the MSers, which is something he talked about somewhere in last game.[/QUOTE]
No, I was saying he was more interactive last game. He was convinced iso was scum at the start, but he kept scumhunting and interacting elsewhere. I remember one post where he commented on something and named three people and said something like "you're all just competing for my vote" whereas here he's just like "I found vierni, I don't need to do anything else." That's what's bothering me.
Can you clarify how you think that works? Because I don't think it does.
Why did you ever bring it up as a reason to speak to me then?
It was never a reason, you spoke to me because you thought I was being scummy.
That's actually the point I'm making.
Yes.
Specify how they are similar and should be given credence as a hypocrisy basis that they are being sold as - it should be a shorter list.
Well, yeah, firetrucks, apples, and cherries are all red, but it doesn't make them all fruit. A general similarity is utterly meaningless unless you can explain why they are similar enough to be relatable to the point.
Ummm...I will agree Vi has chosen a quote method that is anti-town...?
Sure.
She just sort of did it again on this page, you can start there and then go back to find others. There are multiple.
One of the MtGSers (I forget who...and the iso feature here sucks) though commented that this game looked more like normal Cyan.
And though i wouldn't want to swear it was about Cyan (call me >50% on this) I know one of the town players from MtGS was torn down for not playing like he normally did in the last game.
If you're going to do research on him, why is one game enough to start making value calls about his play? And if it bothers you, why wouldn't you check, say, a second or third game to get a better understanding of what is 'norm' for him?
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While I thank you for finally saying the point you're trying to get across in a way that I can understand, it was a reason I didn't act on because you were being scummy.
If you would like for me to continue in this vein you so dearly missed, consider this logic. I can wager that everyone else on my wagon is (using your term) derpy, but of the four people there you're my top choice for scum because I know you know that what you're pushing is bad. Plus by this time I think you'd have noticed that the two people I'd expect to know Vi meta (aside from me, since I've been saying I'm god-tier gold-tier Town, but etc. y'know) have called out that I'm Town, but that doesn't seem to be convenient for you, so you're continuing as you are. I wouldn't buy Cyan as Town were it not for two other people vouching for him, and in the event that DYH turned out to be scum I'd put him back on the table. Goofball isn't acting particularly scummily beyond the lurking and lack of contributing and the fact that her vote is so flimsy it hurts to post in the same thread as it but look at post 206; it doesn't seem like something scumball would post. I can kind of buy Iso being the same person he was in the previous game; nothing really strikes me as particularly off besides the sort of stuff he was doing in the previous game.
And since the wagon on me has lingered for several pages as the only real push out there, I find it extremely difficult to believe that all four of you are tunneled Town. I think someone has a vested interest in seeing if this wagon will keep up, or at least hiding behind it.
Would you like to continue a dialogue on this subject?
(Also, you're thinking of Iso and DYH vouching for Cyan, and Iso getting attacked in the previous game.)
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It's the same one I use on mafiascum, which back when I started using it was a vast improvement. I've been told it kills puppies, which is actually really worrisome because etc..
Gee that sounds familiar.
She said...and then proceeded to not address it.
Again.
Appeals to the masses aside, I'm not sure why that is supposed to sell me.
There is so much being written here with so little being said.
And since you ruled out everyone else, I suppose we'll make the stunning leap to me...which had nothing to do with your earlier attack on me, or finding me scummy before this push, or the point I've made against you.
If you'd like to address my case, very much so.
Sure, sounds about right.
Hey, look, she doesn't hav time to actually address my issue even though she now claims to understand it, instead spiraling into a weird diatrabe about her wagon.
But she does have time to deflect this...whoop-de-doo.
Here's the core point.
Vi says she now, finally, understands my point...and then proceeds to not address it at all.
Which remains, y'know, kind of my point.
In all fairness, you might have been pro-scum last game
But, in other news - hey, the Vi situation, wanna weigh in any more?
Not one of my many all star performances, but anyone who wants to say I sucked can stfu.
Anyhow, Vi did address the point. Which wasn't super interesting anyway.
DGB is probably town.
I see no particular reason to find Vi scummy, especially not such as are currently being peddled.
Thor seems like a decent scum candidate.
I have openly declared that her last post did anything but address it.
Can you point out how I'm wrong?
I'm always a decent scum candidate because no one can read me, but I'd like you to answer my question anyway.
And, hey. If you're not going to argue that anyone else on the wagon is scum, or that it's likely that I have four Townies on my wagon, I suppose you don't disagree with me.
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don't know if my v/la was ever announced, but i should be home late tonight, and will try to catch up tomorrow
I'm not sure how you could say less.
Yes, clearly that is what I meant and it strengthens your position.
@Llamarble
I haven't gotten there yet.
Where did I say I did research on Cyan? I read the last few pages of the last game after Cyan mentioned how the last game went down, and read the first few pages of the game to see how you all interacted with each other and to see how Kami posted to see how valid Cyan's assumptions about that bussing comment was. And in that review to see if Kami's posting was as I expected it would be, it was, I noticed what I said bothered me about Cyan.
And why isn't one game enough for me to ask questions about Nacho's expectations about Cyan, seeing as how that's the one game they've played together, to get a feel for Nacho and to get a feel for Cyan? I'm not making a meta case for or against Cyan and I never said I was. I'm perfectly within my bounds to be bothered that something is different from what I see in the one game where everyone here played together and ask about it.
Also, Cyan is using that one game to make value judgments about not only Kami but also Vierni. Have you gone the chastisey route for improper meta accusations there? Because if not, why not?
(Interestingly enough, the one person I have done meta research on is the only one I've claimed to. And that's me looking through Vi's games to see if he does the reach out thing as scum.)
Maybe! He needs to post more.
No, I didn't read the entire last game. Do you remember what day it was?
I have no idea what you're trying to say in the last portion of that post.
And my response says enough. It's telling you that I think Vi's response to being voted sounded town to me. Sometimes things feel like town post just as sometimes they feel like a scum post. If you disagree feel free to tell me why you disagree. Clearly you feel like everyone should have reasons for why they do or don't like it and if you did like it you wouldn't be asking me about it because it would resonate with you. So, why did you take issue with it?
How does this match up with the scum game i played that just ended. I think I interacted with you and confronted you early day one and day two. In fact you told me that the way I was trying to sort you was weird because I was trying to get you to follow me onto another person's wagon that you were townreading at the time, and then I voted you. I mean you're right that I don't have any confidence in my scum game and I like the read because it's right for the most part, but I am capable of interacting with you when I'm scum.
And if it was the best vote in the thread, how come you or nobody else is on it with me?
That's how you read that? You can't be serious.
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I'm spamming. Sorry.
No one has done it.
Please quote someone doing it.
You didn't. You did however extract info on him from a game and bring it into thread, and I drew a logical inference. If you're just tossing out stuff to see how Nacho reacts to it then...well, now you have my reaction to. Bully for you.
Since that is nowhere close to what I said...I dunno, is it not good enough?
Is chastisey = chastise? I'm going to presume so.
I have called out a number of people for using poor meta, I know I've done it in this game, though will accept I haven't done it to every occurrence. You may feel free to scumhunt off my choices of which to address - I call out the ones that ping me.
In another line of discussion - what's your take on the Vi thing, and do you agree with Llamarble that she has addressed my issue?
You didn"t. You did however extract info on him from a game and bring it into thread, and I drew a logical inference. If you"re just tossing out stuff to see how Nacho reacts to it then...well, now you have my reaction to. Bully for you.[/quote »
Well it's a silly reaction. And I never said "I'm tossing out stuff". I made an observation based on the one game you all played together both to get a feel for my read on cyan as well as nacho, which should be abundantly clear if you follow the progression of my conversation with nacho. You're the one who came up with the assinine how much meta research did you do for something that pinged me as odd. Quite frankly I fail to see your point and think you're just filling up the thread to fill it up.
Since that is nowhere close to what I said...I dunno, is it not good enough?
Then your point for the meta lecture was what again?
Okay selective scumhunting duly noted. Thanks for admit in to it ahead of time.
Haven't gotten there yet, but considering I've said i liked more than one of his posts, and checked several of his games looking to see If he does the reach out thing as scum and so far have only found one as town, I'm not sold on him being scum here and think he's more likely to be town.
You foudn something odd.
You had done some level of research into his meta (you have called me out now for suggesting it was 'research' and for suggesting it was 'just tossed out' so I'm not sure whether I am supposed to claim coherent thought behind it or not - so let's just presume that when I say 'research' I mean 'whatever level of awareness you have about his playstyle' and leave it at that.
But you got pinged, did research, and then stopped dead and asked Nacho to pick up the ball and run with it.
You have answered that it was to scumhunt Nacho. That is fine.
I fail to understand why me questioning that to get this clarification is such an unusual thing, because it seems quite logical to, if you had done some research on a ping to keep doing more until you had your own answer, even if you then wanted to ask others about it.
About what I said above which is also what I said when I first asked you - I was curious why you didn't walk the extra dozen feet having already taken the first step.
No problem. Feel free to do something with your buzz word later so I can be impressed.
I look forward to you eventually selective scumhunting...oh, wait, I mean, being unable to scumhunt everyone constantly I look forward to you eventually scumhunting Vi some more so you can answer my question.
Vierni (4) - Cyan, Thor665, Kami of Lunacy, Iso
Thor665 (3) - Vierni, desCoures, llamarble
Cyouni (1) - Tammy
Not Voting (4) - Nachomamma8, Cyouni, Voxxicus, DYH
With 12 still alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
I dunno, I'm pretty insipid.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
That Vi decided to mention said impulse anyway is also uninteresting.
This will be a game where we find scum by actually thinking about things.
By all means feel free to take colorful umbrage with the Fox News of Mafia.
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V/LA until Thursday. Don't do anything I wouldn't do.