I think that there is one thing that needs to be addressed today.
@DYH: On Day 1, you heavily implied that you were some kind of town power role. At this point, I'm having a VERY difficult time seeing what that could be. Please tell us your role.
One thing that needs to be addressed today but my case on you isn't one of them...?
I'm giving you a chance! If a hypothetical Voxx-scum tried to fakeclaim a guilty on me I would be ripping everyone apart right now and I'd expect you to do the same. So, talk to me. Why is Cyan town?
Without saying how I feel about it one way or another yet, I'm curious, Cyan: what's scummy about Nacho's last post you quoted?
Can we save this until tomorrow? I would rather it be fresh in everyone's mind for the last day of the game(assuming that Thor really is scum). I just wanted to make a note of it now because it bugged me enough.
I'm giving you a chance! If a hypothetical Voxx-scum tried to fakeclaim a guilty on me I would be ripping everyone apart right now and I'd expect you to do the same. So, talk to me. Why is Cyan town?
Um, I did not argue that?
I do see scum chance there from the drop off. I think that case makes sense.
That said, he looks less likely for a Voxx buddy than Vi does, who thinks I am scum but isn't asking my opinion on anything and has stopped scum hunting other than to claim a buddy and vote me since she sees the endgame in reach.
And still my case is ignored. Thor, what do you think of that?
I am seeing a lot of that today from multiple posters.
I have already said that the ones who are town kinda are terrible for stopping communication today. Even if you are sure I am scum you should be scum hunting, and instead we have a bit of unsupported game theory and then a 'let's lynch Thor to test game theory' concept.
I am wroth right now.
I'm giving you a chance! If a hypothetical Voxx-scum tried to fakeclaim a guilty on me I would be ripping everyone apart right now and I'd expect you to do the same. So, talk to me. Why is Cyan town?
Um, I did not argue that?
I do see scum chance there from the drop off. I think that case makes sense.
That said, he looks less likely for a Voxx buddy than Vi does, who thinks I am scum but isn't asking my opinion on anything and has stopped scum hunting other than to claim a buddy and vote me since she sees the endgame in reach.
You argued that, but you didn't really rip anyone apart.
He probably stopped asking your opinion since he thinks that you're pretty scum as **** and wants you to die ASAP because the Voxx claim would have to be a pretty solid setup if he was scum. I understand where he's coming from, but I like talking things out.
Vi thought that I was scum for a moment, backed off. This seemed decently genuine to me. Cyan thought that you were confirmed scum, jumped off, but is still treating you like confirmed scum and is ignoring the hell out of me. What do you think of that?
And still my case is ignored. Thor, what do you think of that?
I am seeing a lot of that today from multiple posters.
I have already said that the ones who are town kinda are terrible for stopping communication today. Even if you are sure I am scum you should be scum hunting, and instead we have a bit of unsupported game theory and then a 'let's lynch Thor to test game theory' concept.
I am wroth right now.
Most people are lynching you because Voxx probably isn't fakeclaiming. Don't ignore that bit.
I'm giving you a chance! If a hypothetical Voxx-scum tried to fakeclaim a guilty on me I would be ripping everyone apart right now and I'd expect you to do the same. So, talk to me. Why is Cyan town?
Um, I did not argue that?
I do see scum chance there from the drop off. I think that case makes sense.
That said, he looks less likely for a Voxx buddy than Vi does, who thinks I am scum but isn't asking my opinion on anything and has stopped scum hunting other than to claim a buddy and vote me since she sees the endgame in reach.
You argued that, but you didn't really rip anyone apart.
He probably stopped asking your opinion since he thinks that you're pretty scum as **** and wants you to die ASAP because the Voxx claim would have to be a pretty solid setup if he was scum. I understand where he's coming from, but I like talking things out.
Vi thought that I was scum for a moment, backed off. This seemed decently genuine to me. Cyan thought that you were confirmed scum, jumped off, but is still treating you like confirmed scum and is ignoring the hell out of me. What do you think of that?
The Voxx claim requires zero cleverness if he is scum. It is a cop fake claim, those happen a lot last I checked, especially in LILO. It is sorta a thing.
I think it works to paint him as scum two different ways, which one do you want me to support. It makes sense with either a Thor or Voxx scum if you want to believe Cyan scum.
Voxx claim requires luck, mostly. Most of the setups here have some kind of investigative role; especially the basic ones. I haven't found one that doesn't.
As far as me ripping people apart. please show me he interaction where I didn't call people derp for buying this claim. Please show me the timeframe besides right now when I actually last had a chance for a back and forth.
Riiiiight.
Voxx claim requires luck, mostly. Most of the setups here have some kind of investigative role; especially the basic ones. I haven't found one that doesn't.
You also never found one this twn sided before, as I said.
As far as me ripping people apart. please show me he interaction where I didn't call people derp for buying this claim. Please show me the timeframe besides right now when I actually last had a chance for a back and forth.
Riiiiight.
I'm looking for you to go "x is scum because y."
Explaining Voxx scum because he fakeclaimed is cool and all, but talking about why players aren't his partner and why they are scum on their own merits is way, way cooler.
Voxx claim requires luck, mostly. Most of the setups here have some kind of investigative role; especially the basic ones. I haven't found one that doesn't.
You also never found one this twn sided before, as I said.
I've found a couple games with strange balance. I don't think a setup with Voxx-town looks too horrible to cast major doubt on the claim.
As far as me ripping people apart. please show me he interaction where I didn't call people derp for buying this claim. Please show me the timeframe besides right now when I actually last had a chance for a back and forth.
Riiiiight.
I'm looking for you to go "x is scum because y."
Explaining Voxx scum because he fakeclaimed is cool and all, but talking about why players aren't his partner and why they are scum on their own merits is way, way cooler.
Oh, you mean like all the "town" here are doing with me?
Derp.
Okay, sure, I will do this once I am back at my computer because I am not doing it on a pad.
Voxx claim requires luck, mostly. Most of the setups here have some kind of investigative role; especially the basic ones. I haven't found one that doesn't.
You also never found one this twn sided before, as I said.
I've found a couple games with strange balance. I don't think a setup with Voxx-town looks too horrible to cast major doubt on the claim.
Wait...it doesn't look "too" horrible?
Let us dwell on this a moment. What do you mean here? Because that is not the same as "setup confirms Voxx"
Don't blink Nacho.
As far as me ripping people apart. please show me he interaction where I didn't call people derp for buying this claim. Please show me the timeframe besides right now when I actually last had a chance for a back and forth.
Riiiiight.
I'm looking for you to go "x is scum because y."
Explaining Voxx scum because he fakeclaimed is cool and all, but talking about why players aren't his partner and why they are scum on their own merits is way, way cooler.
Oh, you mean like all the "town" here are doing with me?
Derp.
Okay, sure, I will do this once I am back at my computer because I am not doing it on a pad.
You're in a special position, and so you're held to special standards.
Voxx claim requires luck, mostly. Most of the setups here have some kind of investigative role; especially the basic ones. I haven't found one that doesn't.
You also never found one this twn sided before, as I said.
I've found a couple games with strange balance. I don't think a setup with Voxx-town looks too horrible to cast major doubt on the claim.
Wait...it doesn't look "too" horrible?
Let us dwell on this a moment. What do you mean here? Because that is not the same as "setup confirms Voxx"
Don't blink Nacho.
Nope, doesn't look too horrible.
I find "cop in every game" a stronger than "townsided in an MS opinion", but maybe I'm crazy.
And I am flailing...without being annoyed or angry.
So, what emotion is causing the "flail" then? Because that is what it is about, scum frustrated with being lynched, that's the concept of flail.
And I am flailing...without being annoyed or angry.
So, what emotion is causing the "flail" then? Because that is what it is about, scum frustrated with being lynched, that's the concept of flail.
I have a tendency not to be annoyed when being lynched in this game except for extremely stupid cases of being lynched. I get more passionate in my defenses, sure, but I don't get frustrated. I still flail when being lynched as scum with a good case because while I want to say "welp, you got me", but that's obviously never going to happen.
And the context of things clearly changes in a situation where one scum may have been investigated and is about to die. I don't know why we would need to presume that you discussed this possibility in advance. For all we know, if you are both scum, you could have been intending to bus Thor, but now that plan is right out.
The feigned ignorance in your answers doesn't inspire any confidence in me.
And the context of things clearly changes in a situation where one scum may have been investigated and is about to die. I don't know why we would need to presume that you discussed this possibility in advance. For all we know, if you are both scum, you could have been intending to bus Thor, but now that plan is right out.
The feigned ignorance in your answers doesn't inspire any confidence in me.
Tomorrow as in after Thor is lynched, or tomorrow as in tomorrow? Because I don't like the idea of giving you a full night to decide who you want to mislynch.
Why would it matter if Thor has a guilty on him? I don't get towncred if I bus him, but I'm probably still going to bus him. Mislynchables don't change just because one scum dies.
I have a tendency not to be annoyed when being lynched in this game except for extremely stupid cases of being lynched. I get more passionate in my defenses, sure, but I don't get frustrated. I still flail when being lynched as scum with a good case because while I want to say "welp, you got me", but that's obviously never going to happen.
Okay...are we applying your meta to me now or something?
This doesn't actually answer my question.
Because you know that the setup is horrible if all the claims are true and that the setup logic to lynch me 'because scum have a godfather' is equally bad.
But you can't say that because you desire it to go through.
@Nacho - there is no way in the world you would have gathered up those setup examples and then said 'yup, this one that looks nothing like these once we work in our theory for why Thor needs lynching makes sense with these other setups!'
No way, town Nacho buys that, because you don't do incomplete comparison work like that wherein you decide a roleblocker = rolecop in scum power benefit in a cop/doc combo setup.
You are flat out lying for this mislynch, and I just proved it.
@Cyan - if you think Nacho is scum then I am about the *worst* vote for you to make, open your eyes for a second and read what's going down here.
> Game goes dead quiet for all day
> Game gets three pages overnight, most of which is arguing with (probable) scum
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A few points to consider:
There are two "tasks" for this Day.
1) Decide which of Voxxicus and Thor are scum.
2) Let Voxxicus drag himself in and say something about the game that the rest of us will probably ignore if it doesn't resound in our memory but it's just impolite not to after he asked us to wait and no one wants to be impolite
Deciding who the other scum is without confirmation of the first one is something we'll have a full two weeks to do later and may be carthorsing if we're wrong Today, in which case the whole thing is a waste of time and makes a bunch of people look stupid.
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[Vi] who thinks I am scum but isn't asking my opinion on anything
I have a tendency not to be annoyed when being lynched in this game except for extremely stupid cases of being lynched. I get more passionate in my defenses, sure, but I don't get frustrated. I still flail when being lynched as scum with a good case because while I want to say "welp, you got me", but that's obviously never going to happen.
Okay...are we applying your meta to me now or something?
This doesn't actually answer my question.
Because you know that the setup is horrible if all the claims are true and that the setup logic to lynch me 'because scum have a godfather' is equally bad.
But you can't say that because you desire it to go through.
I see.
That logic is utterly horrible but made me laugh, so point to you.
@Nacho - there is no way in the world you would have gathered up those setup examples and then said 'yup, this one that looks nothing like these once we work in our theory for why Thor needs lynching makes sense with these other setups!'
No way, town Nacho buys that, because you don't do incomplete comparison work like that wherein you decide a roleblocker = rolecop in scum power benefit in a cop/doc combo setup.
You are flat out lying for this mislynch, and I just proved it.
You don't understand me paying attention to the trend of constant investigative roles versus my opinion of balance? Unseen University seems scum-sided compared to the rest of the setups because it doesn't have a vig and bodyguard is weaker than vigilante. I find rolecop to be equivalent to roleblocker in the sense that they accomplish the same purpose (****ing up power roles), but while roleblockers neuter power roles after they are already found, rolecops help power roles die faster. That's completely acceptable to me setup wise.
I have a tendency not to be annoyed when being lynched in this game except for extremely stupid cases of being lynched. I get more passionate in my defenses, sure, but I don't get frustrated. I still flail when being lynched as scum with a good case because while I want to say "welp, you got me", but that's obviously never going to happen.
Okay...are we applying your meta to me now or something?
This doesn't actually answer my question.
I find rolecop to be equivalent to roleblocker in the sense that they accomplish the same purpose (****ing up power roles), but while roleblockers neuter power roles after they are already found, rolecops help power roles die faster. That's completely acceptable to me setup wise.
Yes, because locating power and totally locking it down are about the same thing.
That's like saying a Doc and a Jailkeeper are equivalent for the town because both prevent night kills, when one can stop kills, and the other can stop kills and locate scum.
It doesn't wash.
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And god damn did that sound cool.
I've been wondering if anyone was going to make an immature comment about the title all game. I decided to be the one. :?
This seems like a thoroughly scummy post to me.
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Can we save this until tomorrow? I would rather it be fresh in everyone's mind for the last day of the game(assuming that Thor really is scum). I just wanted to make a note of it now because it bugged me enough.
Um, I did not argue that?
I do see scum chance there from the drop off. I think that case makes sense.
That said, he looks less likely for a Voxx buddy than Vi does, who thinks I am scum but isn't asking my opinion on anything and has stopped scum hunting other than to claim a buddy and vote me since she sees the endgame in reach.
I am seeing a lot of that today from multiple posters.
I have already said that the ones who are town kinda are terrible for stopping communication today. Even if you are sure I am scum you should be scum hunting, and instead we have a bit of unsupported game theory and then a 'let's lynch Thor to test game theory' concept.
I am wroth right now.
You argued that, but you didn't really rip anyone apart.
He probably stopped asking your opinion since he thinks that you're pretty scum as **** and wants you to die ASAP because the Voxx claim would have to be a pretty solid setup if he was scum. I understand where he's coming from, but I like talking things out.
Vi thought that I was scum for a moment, backed off. This seemed decently genuine to me. Cyan thought that you were confirmed scum, jumped off, but is still treating you like confirmed scum and is ignoring the hell out of me. What do you think of that?
Most people are lynching you because Voxx probably isn't fakeclaiming. Don't ignore that bit.
The Voxx claim requires zero cleverness if he is scum. It is a cop fake claim, those happen a lot last I checked, especially in LILO. It is sorta a thing.
I think it works to paint him as scum two different ways, which one do you want me to support. It makes sense with either a Thor or Voxx scum if you want to believe Cyan scum.
Riiiiight.
You also never found one this twn sided before, as I said.
I am a sort of maybe cop...no one is countering that?...okay, tomorrow I am Gunsmith with a guilty in Lylo...Luck!
Answer that.
One of you is scum pushing something there.
I'm looking for you to go "x is scum because y."
Explaining Voxx scum because he fakeclaimed is cool and all, but talking about why players aren't his partner and why they are scum on their own merits is way, way cooler.
I've found a couple games with strange balance. I don't think a setup with Voxx-town looks too horrible to cast major doubt on the claim.
Oh, you mean like all the "town" here are doing with me?
Derp.
Okay, sure, I will do this once I am back at my computer because I am not doing it on a pad.
Wait...it doesn't look "too" horrible?
Let us dwell on this a moment. What do you mean here? Because that is not the same as "setup confirms Voxx"
Don't blink Nacho.
You know it.
Busted!
Trololololol!
They better have some commentary.
you can be flailing but not particularly angry or annoyed
You're in a special position, and so you're held to special standards.
Nope, doesn't look too horrible.
I find "cop in every game" a stronger than "townsided in an MS opinion", but maybe I'm crazy.
Why even entertain e thought?
Try not to panic too much, Thor.
Horrible was a more pleasing word to me. Would "not too bad" be a better phrasing?
I like entertaining thoughts.
So, what emotion is causing the "flail" then? Because that is what it is about, scum frustrated with being lynched, that's the concept of flail.
Oh, so you picked the word for its aesthetic value hen?
Mah bad, that totally sells me.
ScumNacho: Thor, which townie do I have the best chance of getting mislynched tomorrow?
ScumThor: Cryptic response.
Let's just get this show on the road. Vote Thor
I have a tendency not to be annoyed when being lynched in this game except for extremely stupid cases of being lynched. I get more passionate in my defenses, sure, but I don't get frustrated. I still flail when being lynched as scum with a good case because while I want to say "welp, you got me", but that's obviously never going to happen.
Why do you think I picked the word?
You don't think we would discuss who we would attempt to mislynch in our QT instead of... in thread?
But I suppose you can start to explain your thought process from Thor-scum to "I hate guilties in LyLo" to "Thor-Nacho scum".
I wasn't aware that the scum had daytalk?
And I DO hate guilties in lylo. But ultimately, it seems more likely that this is legit than it does that it's fabricated.
Why does the claim seem more legitimate than fabricated? You also didn't even come close to answering my question
And the context of things clearly changes in a situation where one scum may have been investigated and is about to die. I don't know why we would need to presume that you discussed this possibility in advance. For all we know, if you are both scum, you could have been intending to bus Thor, but now that plan is right out.
The feigned ignorance in your answers doesn't inspire any confidence in me.
Tomorrow as in after Thor is lynched, or tomorrow as in tomorrow? Because I don't like the idea of giving you a full night to decide who you want to mislynch.
Why would it matter if Thor has a guilty on him? I don't get towncred if I bus him, but I'm probably still going to bus him. Mislynchables don't change just because one scum dies.
I don't get what your last line is referring to.
Okay...are we applying your meta to me now or something?
This doesn't actually answer my question.
Because you know that the setup is horrible if all the claims are true and that the setup logic to lynch me 'because scum have a godfather' is equally bad.
But you can't say that because you desire it to go through.
How in any way at all is that true?
No way, town Nacho buys that, because you don't do incomplete comparison work like that wherein you decide a roleblocker = rolecop in scum power benefit in a cop/doc combo setup.
You are flat out lying for this mislynch, and I just proved it.
@Cyan - if you think Nacho is scum then I am about the *worst* vote for you to make, open your eyes for a second and read what's going down here.
Will catch up tomorrow, about to crash.
But not anything else.
I am the town people are sheeping.
Again.
I wonder why Thor hasn't had more interactions?
Derpy-derp-derp.
> Game gets three pages overnight, most of which is arguing with (probable) scum
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A few points to consider:
There are two "tasks" for this Day.
1) Decide which of Voxxicus and Thor are scum.
2) Let Voxxicus drag himself in and say something about the game that the rest of us will probably ignore if it doesn't resound in our memory but it's just impolite not to after he asked us to wait and no one wants to be impolite
Deciding who the other scum is without confirmation of the first one is something we'll have a full two weeks to do later and may be carthorsing if we're wrong Today, in which case the whole thing is a waste of time and makes a bunch of people look stupid.
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2) above hasn't happened yet.
Not explicitly, no.
I see.
That logic is utterly horrible but made me laugh, so point to you.
You don't understand me paying attention to the trend of constant investigative roles versus my opinion of balance? Unseen University seems scum-sided compared to the rest of the setups because it doesn't have a vig and bodyguard is weaker than vigilante. I find rolecop to be equivalent to roleblocker in the sense that they accomplish the same purpose (****ing up power roles), but while roleblockers neuter power roles after they are already found, rolecops help power roles die faster. That's completely acceptable to me setup wise.
Would you care to un-implicit it then?
*hand waves attack off frantically*
Yup.
Yes, because locating power and totally locking it down are about the same thing.
That's like saying a Doc and a Jailkeeper are equivalent for the town because both prevent night kills, when one can stop kills, and the other can stop kills and locate scum.
It doesn't wash.