I am seriously believing that no one voting me actually cares about my alignment and are either scum or policy lynching me while being too lacking in grapefruits to admit it - it's the only way to explain how they demand info from me, whine when it isn't provided...and then don't even so much as note that I provided it when I do answer the questions.
@nacho - you should vote Iso, the Cyourni wagon isn't going to happen today. At the very least your vote needs to move, and you know an Iso flip would be just. C'mon man, let us do this thing!
Kami how about you explain to me why the scumteam isn't You + Voxxicus + Cyouni, because that one feels oh so good and even features you taking the 'I mixed up my buddy and this similarly named townie' line for another spin.
SOOOOOOOOOO Ive neglected this thread to **** and back.
Llamarble is 100% scum. I've played with the guy for years. He is not town at all in this game. Usually he jokes around and plays with reckless abandon; that is how I've always read him as town when he is town. In fact, his play on MS is not unlike mine.
Here he is infuriatingly cautious and non-committal (not to mention dead wrong). He cannot explain his train of thought adequately and while having nothing but jelly reads, he's somehow linking players together for what I suspect are later lynches. For instance, after I flip town, I bet he'll be jockeying to lynch the other player he paired me with, because since I was town he has to be scum.
To all: please note this post for use on day 2 in case I'm not around to follow up. Thanks.
I'm coming around to the idea of Cyan as llamarble's scumpartner. This KoL wagon stinks - everything from its timing to its speed - and I really don't like that Cyan ignored my question to quantify exactly why he thinks KoL is the scummiest MafiaScum player in this game.
There's also the fact that llamarble's been pronouncing Cyan as obvtown all game... until this latest string of posts, where now his 'confident townreads' are Nacho, Thor, and myself (all of a sudden), and Cyan's dropped off quietly into the pile he says nothing about.
....in which case the third scum would probably be one of Iso/Fate, given that those were the major wagons that would need distracting from. (As far as I can tell without actually counting votes, thanks to lack of votecounts.)
Other than the fact that his 'inconsistencies' point is nonsense because I do that in every game (which should, frankly, have been obvious - especially from Cyberspace Mafia), I really want to know just where I've 'handwaved' anything this game, like he's indirectly accusing me of doing here. Go ahead, people - take a look. And when you don't find anything maybe you'll realize llamarble's pulling this all out of his unmentionables in an attempt to defend himself.
I pointed out that handwaving is something you seem to like to accuse people of as scum.
And just like the 'inconsistencies' thing, that's something I do very obviously as any alignment because that's how I catch scum. Nonsense point is nonsense. Your chaff doesn't block radar well enough.
Voxx and dC probably aren't buddies. Voxx calls dC his best townread and dC's sole interaction in response is to repeatedly question Voxx's townread on me.
dC, did Voxx's fairly decisive townread on you after your first content post feel premature to you?
I can't write Voxx off as scum or town yet
A bit. However, given the two most recent games he'd played with me, I decided it was reasonable for him to think so. Redux was pretty far from being my best scum game ever.
My reads are probably going to change substantially over the course of the next few hours, but by the end of the day I really really hope I am confident enough to do something. But yeah, even if I'm not I'll just stick a vote on my best guess among those relevant.
Alright; I can't really spend any more time on this tonight.
Finding the pulse of a game (and the scum) is like mathematical proof in the sense that I usually have a good sense of when I have the answer but there aren't any guarantees I'll find it D1. Unvote DYH
Vote KoL
I apparently didn't multiquote the one where he says KoL 'put in the work this game', but I meant to. Note that this is the first vote on KoL - 'among those relevant' indeed.
See, THIS was threatening. Vi is a player I respect.
I actually get what DYH was saying about Thor and DGB a little bit more now.
I don't think it's a strong argument (partially because Thor doesn't regard DGB as an elite player), but I can at least understand where it was pulled from.
You and Descoures are the sort of players who could never get me mislynched.
I tear faces off with loudness and stomp all who attempt :logicduels: while letting my towniness and the power of TRUTH shine through (and pointing out who the actual scum are).
It would take a lot more charisma and gameknowledge and clarity of thought than you guys seem to be packing to get rid of me.
So when you talk about blah blah mudslinging discrediting, you are utterly wasting everyone's time.
Well, it's a good thing I'm trying to get you lynched, scum, not mislynched.
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Cyan/llamarble makes Vierni and DYH much less likely to be scum. Iso's still possible, as is Fate, but I'm very certain llamarble needs to die.
Unvote: Iso
Vote: llamarble
Vierni - why do tomorrow what we can do today?
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Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...' Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
I'm coming around to the idea of Cyan as llamarble's scumpartner. This KoL wagon stinks - everything from its timing to its speed - and I really don't like that Cyan ignored my question to quantify exactly why he thinks KoL is the scummiest MafiaScum player in this game.
Cyan hasn't moved from Llamarble's super townie read. He's held that read the entire game.
I'm coming around to the idea of Cyan as llamarble's scumpartner. This KoL wagon stinks - everything from its timing to its speed - and I really don't like that Cyan ignored my question to quantify exactly why he thinks KoL is the scummiest MafiaScum player in this game.
Cyan hasn't moved from Llamarble's super townie read. He's held that read the entire game.
...mmmh. Fair enough - if I read that a different way you might be right.
Why did you feel the need to answer for him, though?
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Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...' Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
And, for that matter, what do you think of the fact that he appears to waver amazingly on literally everyone else, but consistently has had Cyan as unwavering 'obvtown'?
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Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...' Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
I've been calling KoL scum all game long, dC. I just don't know how to really quantify it. It's just a lack of content on his part that seems sincere to me. The only wagon that he has put any meaningful effort into was against Thor, and that was only after someone else started the party.
The rest of the people from MS are actively looking for scum. KoL really is not, in my estimation.
I'm coming around to the idea of Cyan as llamarble's scumpartner. This KoL wagon stinks - everything from its timing to its speed - and I really don't like that Cyan ignored my question to quantify exactly why he thinks KoL is the scummiest MafiaScum player in this game.
Cyan hasn't moved from Llamarble's super townie read. He's held that read the entire game.
...mmmh. Fair enough - if I read that a different way you might be right.
Why did you feel the need to answer for him, though?
It's getting close enough to deadline where the time of sorting is over. If there's a misunderstanding, I prefer to just settle it instead of waiting for things to sort themselves out.
And, for that matter, what do you think of the fact that he appears to waver amazingly on literally everyone else, but consistently has had Cyan as unwavering 'obvtown'?
I've had similar feelings. Cyan is pretty damn obvtown.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Llamarble, I'm having trouble seeing what you see in KoL and currently hold the belief that we're going easy on Fate because we want him to be town, not because he actually is town. Cyouni still seems like a gorgeous wagon, and I currently am not happy with your DYH scumread. What did you think of his interactions with Cyan?
@desCourtes - note that then, to this list he ADDS the other reads as decent town reads. I am totally about Nacho's answer here, we don't have time to wait for people to clarify how other people are reading sloppy. Just de-slop and move on. You are my hero for griping about the lack of VCs, I'm glad it's not just the MS crowd feeling this and, thus, is probably not site standard.
@Mod - would it be possible to get more regular VCs please? I no longer think I'm alone in feeling this as about four other players have expressed similar thoughts. It would be much appreciated methinks.
Nacho continues to bleed town except that he is IGNORING THE ISO WAGON OF JUSTICE AND CHOCOLATE!
I'm even game for the Cyourni wagon but only because of how Iso reacted to it, and it doesn't seem to have much support otherwise as he's a compromise option for pretty much everyone who voted him. I'll even say in his defense that of the 'useless vote club' he actually passes my litmus test for appearing to 'give any damn at all' about who he's voting for being the lynch - which is normally something I accredit as a town tell, so why not let's just lynch Iso, yeah?
I think if you move, desCoures will come back from his last minute derp attempt here, and then we'll have a strong wagon and probably at least force some of the others to react to it.
If you refuse, at least make a move for DGB or Fate and we can get some reactions that way.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I don't care about your "it will take a lot of work blah blah" for holding off until D2. Town or not, that's a stupid move because that information has a good chance of being invalidated by then anyway. If you're going to look into somebody's D1 behaviour, you just lose benefits that can be had by posting your results d1.
Oh, really? Do tell.
Because Day 1's obviously going to be invalid and disappear, right?
As far as "Go look at any of my town games" vs "I suppose you can find examples different from here in addition to similar," GRATS. Those statements do indeed seem to disagree with each other. Clearly this has something to do with my alignment AT ALL. Or maybe "any of" was an overstatement because some doofus or another was calling me scummy for playstyle and I was annoyed.
Oh really?
So then your playstyle is "sit around and play it safe until three days before deadline"? It's a safe bet that no one would say so among the MS crowd.
KoL putting in the work gave me reservations, but I wasn't going to go to bed without putting a vote on my best guess among the viable lynches.
Oh? And you chose...KoL. Interesting.
That still conflicts with what you said earlier. Your "best guess" is someone you described as "having reservations" on. And that's both against what your posts say and common sense.
You and Descoures are the sort of players who could never get me mislynched.
I tear faces off with loudness and stomp all who attempt :logicduels: while letting my towniness and the power of TRUTH shine through (and pointing out who the actual scum are).
It would take a lot more charisma and gameknowledge and clarity of thought than you guys seem to be packing to get rid of me.
So when you talk about blah blah mudslinging discrediting, you are utterly wasting everyone's time.
That mislynch line is so amazingly forced I'm surprised you're not choking on it.
And let me tell you something.
Loudness only works when people don't know how to use their brain.
So good luck.
And "phoning this one in". With 5 scum reads.
Mhm.
@Cyouni - remember when you were complaining about me ducking your question? Well, I answered it and you did nothing with it.
While we're at it I asked you a question and you have chosen to duck it...so...y'know, answer that, or at least state that you are choosing not to.
While we're at it, I also recall you being the one demanding I provide that quote for DGB, and like her you also didn't address it.
Glad to know in MTGs that 'not responding to gak' is fine, but being aggressive is a scumtell.
Also, being snarky...or sarcastic...or both...or something...?
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@Cyouni - it is simple maths. Statistically any group of three players in this game will have one scum. Also, I do not go two because I, again, am not so hubristic to think scum is screaming in wild terror that they would double hard push to get me lynched.
So in other words, your argument is pretty much "exactly one of them HAS to be scum, because statistics".
Since both of you find my defense a stretch.
Please define the difference between snark and sarcasm and explain how you spotted the difference in my posts.
After all, since that is my defense and it is a stretch, this should be both easy to do, and also show how blatantly different the two things are.
GO!
Note how I never said anything regarding snark or sarcasm.
Yet you try and turn it into that. Not impressed.
Also, your first post since returning is almost proving my point. The only thing you do, after all this time, is create a dissertation on why Kami's two posts are nonsense. (Also, that post feels really wrong in a different fashion, but I'll hold on that until I can qualify that statement.) The lack of scumhunting is practically bleeding at this point.
And I missed this because your forum needs a preview post warning.
In this response you do two things - kind of generically poo-poo me deciding that, of three players, one of the three is scum, but not likely more than that...but you don't explain really why that is a bad conclusion to use the basic logic of math and the belief hat multiple scum wouldn't do what they are doing if aligned.
1. Why is that poo-poohable, as it all seems to make sense?
2. Why does it matter that I'm doing it, even if you disagree with my reasoning for it? You're clearly coming at me for doing this..why?
In the second you basically dodge what you did do.
You said my defense was overwrought - my defense was pointing out how I was accused of stopping snark while beginning sarcasm.
I pointed out how the two were the same thing.
How was I overplayed if you agree with me that those are synonyms?
If you don't agree with me - how are they not synonyms?
If, somehow, you called it overplayed for some reason having nothing to do with this - clarify what your reasoning was.
Also, again, you didn't address my DGB quote when you were grumping that I hadn't done it immediately - do you agree with what I said, or no? And why grump if you had nothing to add?
I stand by my stance - you are not actually trying to interact in a functional scumhunting method at the moment.
Work on that - I hear it helps town and hurts scum.
Unless you are scum, let me know and I'll drop that point.
Also, i note now that in your response you are saying I said one HAS to be scum.
Which is not what I said, so if that's your issue...then, stop misrepping and being scummy.
I said I believed ONE was. Kind of a different statement, y'know.
And here's possibly what Llama was talking about.
Your search function still sucks for searching this thread though - but I wanted to shove it down Cyourni's throat to showcase how useless he's being.
That said - DGB revolving door votes is fething normal and expected of her.
Y'know, as said by people who character assassinate her even though they appear to know her playstyle better than she does.
And "phoning this one in". With 5 scum reads.
Mhm.
Why wasn't it an issue to you when I had 6 scum reads?
Aside from the fact that I expect that of you at least once per game?
He's forcing each of those posts. Look at how he's played the game thus far, then look at the past two days or so, when people have been wanting to lynch him.
And I missed this because your forum needs a preview post warning.
In this response you do two things - kind of generically poo-poo me deciding that, of three players, one of the three is scum, but not likely more than that...but you don't explain really why that is a bad conclusion to use the basic logic of math and the belief hat multiple scum wouldn't do what they are doing if aligned.
1. Why is that poo-poohable, as it all seems to make sense?
2. Why does it matter that I'm doing it, even if you disagree with my reasoning for it? You're clearly coming at me for doing this..why?
Because it's pretty much just using statistics to avoid having a real opinion.
In the second you basically dodge what you did do.
You said my defense was overwrought - my defense was pointing out how I was accused of stopping snark while beginning sarcasm.
I pointed out how the two were the same thing.
How was I overplayed if you agree with me that those are synonyms?
If you don't agree with me - how are they not synonyms?
If, somehow, you called it overplayed for some reason having nothing to do with this - clarify what your reasoning was.
Find me a single quote where I say that your "change in style" has anything to do with snark or sarcasm. I'll wait, though I'm not going to hold my breath.
On that note, find where Iso says that as well. I recall you addressing something like that to him.
Also, DYH's point is applicable.
Also, again, you didn't address my DGB quote when you were grumping that I hadn't done it immediately - do you agree with what I said, or no? And why grump if you had nothing to add?
I stand by my stance - you are not actually trying to interact in a functional scumhunting method at the moment.
Work on that - I hear it helps town and hurts scum.
Unless you are scum, let me know and I'll drop that point.
I'm pretty sure reading will tell you that I have a note on it in the post.
The logic's flimsy at best. And considering how it was such a minor point in the first place, more than a bit of an overreaction.
And here's possibly what Llama was talking about.
Your search function still sucks for searching this thread though - but I wanted to shove it down Cyourni's throat to showcase how useless he's being.
Do you actually understand what sarcasm is, or are you just posting for the sake of posting?
Vierni - why do tomorrow what we can do today? [with regard to lynching llamarble]
I don't think there's enough want-to from other people.
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I haven't really found anything off with Kami except the logic.
Mind telling me why you're voting her?
Don't you think there's something strange about how she has expressed a constant willingness to vote for Fate until it looks like there's a reasonable possibility that Fate could get lynched?
I'd like to mention that with deadline coming in less than two days and people showing signs of sketchy levels of access, this kind of chaos is going to lead to No Lynch.
There are only two acceptable wagons at this point - KoL and Thor. Everyone else has a one-vote wagon and without reckless last-minute barning they're not going to get better. Stop whining, start consolidating.
A note on claims:
1) In this situation, KoL and Thor should claim now or else hope they live to claim another Day.
2) KoL's lack of claim by now means she's scum.
I'll help the DGB lynch if the Iso lynch dies again.
But I think it's the inferior of the options and is a policy lynch...I will admit I'm actually not against policy lynches, but I am bewildered it's happening in spite of Iso who is both scummy and making a decent case for himself as a policy lynch for being nonsensical so it ought to be a clear winner over DGB who is really only doing one of the two, yeah?
I've been calling KoL scum all game long, dC. I just don't know how to really quantify it. It's just a lack of content on his part that seems sincere to me. The only wagon that he has put any meaningful effort into was against Thor, and that was only after someone else started the party.
The rest of the people from MS are actively looking for scum. KoL really is not, in my estimation.
A note on claims:
1) In this situation, KoL and Thor should claim now or else hope they live to claim another Day.
2) KoL's lack of claim by now means she's scum.
I effing went to sleep. Why isn't Thor held up to the same standard? At the time I offered to claim (and no one showed up for a while I kept refreshing), Thor and I had the same number of votes. I offered to claim early because I knew we'd need time to get another wagon, because I'm the goddamn doctor.
I was going to protect Voxx or desCoures.
Well people you're just going to have to lynch Thor later without me.
Watch out for Vi. Something's off.
I asked for an deadline extension to lynch Thor. Jesus. You guys let the scum walk all over me. What scum asks for a deadline extension when they're not on the line??? No one could even give a cogent reason as to why they were voting me, for all the fancy semantics I see here.
And look at Thor wanting to wash his hands off my town lynch. I swear to god both his buddies must be on my wagon already. Policy lynch my arse.
Because it's pretty much just using statistics to avoid having a real opinion.
So...you have an issue with me expressing my belief (aka - opinion) since I mentioned statistics, which you believe somehow invalidates said opinion. Ignoring that I had stated issues with all three slots, and simply used the statistics to clarify that I had a belief in only one as scum - and then later used other reasoning to show why I thought Iso was the legit scum amongst the three.
Find me a single quote where I say that your "change in style" has anything to do with snark or sarcasm. I'll wait, though I'm not going to hold my breath.
Actually you are dead on correct about this - it was DGB, and then was backed by Iso and DYH - I then substituted you in my head for DYH for some reason. That's my bad and I suck - that whole line of questioning is withdrawn and I wear egg.
@DYH - you have just with a straight face accused me of stopping snark and only having sarcasm, and also claimed it as a scum tell.
I am so in awe of your scum hunting right now.
Oh, wait, crud, is that snark or sarcasm? One is me being scummy and the other isn't. Sonuva...
In regards to your weak "cannot recall" tell...is it not fascinating that when I could not recall I was, in the same post, also able to state what the case was? Fascinating, what a wonderful catch you nailed me in when I later admitted thinking about the logic of your case.
Tell me more.
This is so over-the-top forced.
Nope, Iso, you still need to defend the scummy wagon pushing you did.
He denied it himself, actually, and I already showed him the quote where he did what I said he did.
He hasn't managed to find the grapefruits to back up his attack though, or to explain what he meant here if he *didn't* have an issue with my defense.
Y'know, because he did and he's lying.
The logic's flimsy at best. And considering how it was such a minor point in the first place, more than a bit of an overreaction.
You're saying I overreacted to her presenting a case on me that was like saying;
"Thor is scum because he isn't happy, his jubilence is a pure scum tell from him."
What was I supposed to do? Say 'oh, silly DGB, you case makes literally no sense at all, haw-haw, and it's fanciful how people are sheeping it as though it does, likely no scum amongst you at all!"
Or was I supposed to, y;know, shake branches on the bad push to find where the scum were because it was obvious there would be scum there?
A note on claims:
1) In this situation, KoL and Thor should claim now or else hope they live to claim another Day.
2) KoL's lack of claim by now means she's scum.
I'm not claiming because there is literally no way there are enough votes to lynch me. You have noticed how many people have town reads on me, right?
I'm down with the llama lynch. He's done absolutely nothing to make me believe he's town at this point, and lack of towntells is generally a good indicator of scum, IIRC. dC has also hit some points with him, so, let's do this.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
A note on claims:
1) In this situation, KoL and Thor should claim now or else hope they live to claim another Day.
2) KoL's lack of claim by now means she's scum.
I'm not claiming because there is literally no way there are enough votes to lynch me. You have noticed how many people have town reads on me, right?
I never offered to claim, so it's not exactly like we are on equal footing in that regard, so I don't see it as a double standard.
I don't think it's a valid scumpoint against you, if that's what you're asking - but I don't think it's one on him either.
Because it's pretty much just using statistics to avoid having a real opinion.
So...you have an issue with me expressing my belief (aka - opinion) since I mentioned statistics, which you believe somehow invalidates said opinion. Ignoring that I had stated issues with all three slots, and simply used the statistics to clarify that I had a belief in only one as scum - and then later used other reasoning to show why I thought Iso was the legit scum amongst the three.
The issue I have is the odd part where it says "if one's scum, the others are probably town barring extenuating circumstances". It's an excuse to avoid your own opinions in favour of statistics.
@DYH - you have just with a straight face accused me of stopping snark and only having sarcasm, and also claimed it as a scum tell.
I am so in awe of your scum hunting right now.
Oh, wait, crud, is that snark or sarcasm? One is me being scummy and the other isn't. Sonuva...
In regards to your weak "cannot recall" tell...is it not fascinating that when I could not recall I was, in the same post, also able to state what the case was? Fascinating, what a wonderful catch you nailed me in when I later admitted thinking about the logic of your case.
Tell me more.
This is so over-the-top forced.
Nope, Iso, you still need to defend the scummy wagon pushing you did.
He denied it himself, actually, and I already showed him the quote where he did what I said he did.
He hasn't managed to find the grapefruits to back up his attack though, or to explain what he meant here if he *didn't* have an issue with my defense.
Y'know, because he did and he's lying.
You know what forced means, right? I need to make sure here.
The logic's flimsy at best. And considering how it was such a minor point in the first place, more than a bit of an overreaction.
You're saying I overreacted to her presenting a case on me that was like saying;
"Thor is scum because he isn't happy, his jubilence is a pure scum tell from him."
What was I supposed to do? Say 'oh, silly DGB, you case makes literally no sense at all, haw-haw, and it's fanciful how people are sheeping it as though it does, likely no scum amongst you at all!"
Or was I supposed to, y;know, shake branches on the bad push to find where the scum were because it was obvious there would be scum there?
Oh, really? So then, pray tell, who was pushing on that logic aside from her?
Do you actually understand what sarcasm is, or are you just posting for the sake of posting?
Awww, so you were being "sarcastic" when you said you wanted to see an example of what he meant.
And then you're annoyed when someone actually does it.
Meh.
You cannot be this bad at reading comprehension.
I refuse to believe that there is someone out there who literally cannot comprehend context to this extent.
This is like the reading comprehension of a five-year-old.
Anyone reading that can tell that's a joke.
If that's supposed to be Fate's "proof", then he needs to start dying soon.
I haven't really found anything off with Kami except the logic.
Mind telling me why you're voting her?
Don't you think there's something strange about how she has expressed a constant willingness to vote for Fate until it looks like there's a reasonable possibility that Fate could get lynched?
I considered that as due to the shortage of votecounts.
The issue I have is the odd part where it says "if one's scum, the others are probably town barring extenuating circumstances". It's an excuse to avoid your own opinions in favour of statistics.
Except that I clarified 'extenuating circumstances' as 'multi-ball' which is a pretty sensible and explicit exception to place on a read.
You know what forced means, right? I need to make sure here.
"Faked" is the meaning I am taking from it in this context.
Which does beg the follow-up question I am asking wherein I point out the illogic of the case on me and why I have a negative reaction to it, and thus my curiosity of what part they feel is fake. Because my logic is sound, and they have also all openly admitted that, even when I seemed more town, I came across as overproud of myself - so at what stage do they think I'm faking which part?
Do you know?
I don't.
I don't think they do either - which is why I'm pressing for the answer.
Agreed; more plasticity. Really lacks the bite he had early on - that came across as genuine contempt; this comes across desperate. Also, as Kami pointed out, another CFTWR tell.
So...what, now that I've provided two quotes am I vindicated in pointing out that people said what I said they said?
What is this gak?
You cannot be this bad at reading comprehension.
I refuse to believe that there is someone out there who literally cannot comprehend context to this extent.
This is like the reading comprehension of a five-year-old.
Anyone reading that can tell that's a joke.
If that's supposed to be Fate's "proof", then he needs to start dying soon.
Honestly, with DGB, that seems like as solid a read reasoning as she ever gives and I did take it as legit.
I already stated though that I didn't take it as meaningful coming from her for the scumtell Fate was applying to her - so...sure, I agree?
Well I picked a poor night to go to bed early.
DGB claiming doctor doesn't make her more likely to be town, but in the absence of a counterclaim, etc.
I feel like all these people calling me 100% scum can't be town. Back-to-the-wall 100% insistence is how scum start acting near deadline when threatened and wanting to force something through.
Best thing that could happen in the next couple hours would be Voxxicus or someone similarly sketchy coming in with the NOPE on DGB.
Your "best guess" is someone you described as "having reservations" on.
Yes, you incompetent weasel. I have reservations on everyone or I'd have been a lot more RAWR. I think I made that clear in the many posts where I said I don't have the game figured out, or in the posts where my only confident reads are a few townreads.
Llamarble, I'm having trouble seeing what you see in KoL and currently hold the belief that we're going easy on Fate because we want him to be town, not because he actually is town. Cyouni still seems like a gorgeous wagon, and I currently am not happy with your DYH scumread. What did you think of his interactions with Cyan?
This has a good chance of being right, in general.
I haven't revisited DYH in a while.
"The Mafia team may have false claims"
Not surprising. Honestly it might be best to just lynch DGB anyway.
ISO already claimed :something: so we are at a too-high PR per claim density.
Looks like it'll come to that, doesn't it.
Here's a hint:
My role is more important than yours >_>
Also it's the same blue color.
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"The Mafia team may have false claims"
Not surprising. Honestly it might be best to just lynch DGB anyway.
ISO already claimed :something: so we are at a too-high PR per claim density.
Or we could just lynch you, by that logic.
Which is terrible logic.
There's still vanillas in the game, probably 3-5 of them total if I had to guess - design intent from the Showdown creation thread was to put it somewhere between basic and minis, I believe (3 town power roles for basic, 7-9 town power roles for minis). So as an off the cuff guess, I'd say 4-6 power roles in this game.
Trying to push a lynch on an un-cc'd doc claim (a real protective role should probbbably CC, given how close t deadline we are, and the fact that we'll be rushing a lynch home otherwise) based on two hardclaims and a soft claim is just... no.
Derpy-doo-dah day.
there's a DGB wagon too?
Why the HELL arent we combining forces?
Fires (R/G)f Salvation
Gruul to the end. "If it doesn't break... hit harder."
SOOOOOOOOOO Ive neglected this thread to **** and back.
Unvote:
Vote: DGB
Fires (R/G)f Salvation
Gruul to the end. "If it doesn't break... hit harder."
I swear theres a post where DGB says marble is conftown and never lynch him ever
Just imagine this post juxtaposed with that one:
Fires (R/G)f Salvation
Gruul to the end. "If it doesn't break... hit harder."
LOL YEP THIS CAN DIE ALL RIGHT
Fires (R/G)f Salvation
Gruul to the end. "If it doesn't break... hit harder."
I'm coming around to the idea of Cyan as llamarble's scumpartner. This KoL wagon stinks - everything from its timing to its speed - and I really don't like that Cyan ignored my question to quantify exactly why he thinks KoL is the scummiest MafiaScum player in this game.
There's also the fact that llamarble's been pronouncing Cyan as obvtown all game... until this latest string of posts, where now his 'confident townreads' are Nacho, Thor, and myself (all of a sudden), and Cyan's dropped off quietly into the pile he says nothing about.
This despite, to use MS parlance, 'sheeping' Cyan about KoL. That query to Cyan about 'flashwagoning KoL' just reeked.
....in which case the third scum would probably be one of Iso/Fate, given that those were the major wagons that would need distracting from. (As far as I can tell without actually counting votes, thanks to lack of votecounts.)
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@llamarble
And just like the 'inconsistencies' thing, that's something I do very obviously as any alignment because that's how I catch scum. Nonsense point is nonsense. Your chaff doesn't block radar well enough.
Oh so fake.
A bit. However, given the two most recent games he'd played with me, I decided it was reasonable for him to think so. Redux was pretty far from being my best scum game ever.
I apparently didn't multiquote the one where he says KoL 'put in the work this game', but I meant to. Note that this is the first vote on KoL - 'among those relevant' indeed.
What happened to Cyan, hm?
Well, it's a good thing I'm trying to get you lynched, scum, not mislynched.
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Cyan/llamarble makes Vierni and DYH much less likely to be scum. Iso's still possible, as is Fate, but I'm very certain llamarble needs to die.
Unvote: Iso
Vote: llamarble
Vierni - why do tomorrow what we can do today?
Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...'
Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
Cyan hasn't moved from Llamarble's super townie read. He's held that read the entire game.
...mmmh. Fair enough - if I read that a different way you might be right.
Why did you feel the need to answer for him, though?
Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...'
Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...'
Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
The rest of the people from MS are actively looking for scum. KoL really is not, in my estimation.
It's getting close enough to deadline where the time of sorting is over. If there's a misunderstanding, I prefer to just settle it instead of waiting for things to sort themselves out.
I've had similar feelings. Cyan is pretty damn obvtown.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Confident town
me
Cyan
vi
CONFIDENT probtown
iSo
lean town out of date reads
nacho
Thor
dc Maybe
SKetch
Cyouni
Fate
dyh
Voxx
Kol
I have 3 reads ive settled on for today
dgb wagon looks pretty relevant to me
@desCourtes - note that then, to this list he ADDS the other reads as decent town reads. I am totally about Nacho's answer here, we don't have time to wait for people to clarify how other people are reading sloppy. Just de-slop and move on. You are my hero for griping about the lack of VCs, I'm glad it's not just the MS crowd feeling this and, thus, is probably not site standard.
@Mod - would it be possible to get more regular VCs please? I no longer think I'm alone in feeling this as about four other players have expressed similar thoughts. It would be much appreciated methinks.
Nacho continues to bleed town except that he is IGNORING THE ISO WAGON OF JUSTICE AND CHOCOLATE!
I'm even game for the Cyourni wagon but only because of how Iso reacted to it, and it doesn't seem to have much support otherwise as he's a compromise option for pretty much everyone who voted him. I'll even say in his defense that of the 'useless vote club' he actually passes my litmus test for appearing to 'give any damn at all' about who he's voting for being the lynch - which is normally something I accredit as a town tell, so why not let's just lynch Iso, yeah?
I think if you move, desCoures will come back from his last minute derp attempt here, and then we'll have a strong wagon and probably at least force some of the others to react to it.
If you refuse, at least make a move for DGB or Fate and we can get some reactions that way.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Because Day 1's obviously going to be invalid and disappear, right?
Oh really?
So then your playstyle is "sit around and play it safe until three days before deadline"? It's a safe bet that no one would say so among the MS crowd.
Hint: if you make a case, it's on you to prove it. Not everyone else to disprove it.
You obviously don't know that.
Oh? And you chose...KoL. Interesting.
That still conflicts with what you said earlier. Your "best guess" is someone you described as "having reservations" on. And that's both against what your posts say and common sense.
That mislynch line is so amazingly forced I'm surprised you're not choking on it.
And let me tell you something.
Loudness only works when people don't know how to use their brain.
So good luck.
And "phoning this one in". With 5 scum reads.
Mhm.
I haven't really found anything off with Kami except the logic.
Mind telling me why you're voting her?
See #690.
You've still got a day.
Search and find the post.
Why wasn't it an issue to you when I had 6 scum reads?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
And I missed this because your forum needs a preview post warning.
In this response you do two things - kind of generically poo-poo me deciding that, of three players, one of the three is scum, but not likely more than that...but you don't explain really why that is a bad conclusion to use the basic logic of math and the belief hat multiple scum wouldn't do what they are doing if aligned.
1. Why is that poo-poohable, as it all seems to make sense?
2. Why does it matter that I'm doing it, even if you disagree with my reasoning for it? You're clearly coming at me for doing this..why?
In the second you basically dodge what you did do.
You said my defense was overwrought - my defense was pointing out how I was accused of stopping snark while beginning sarcasm.
I pointed out how the two were the same thing.
How was I overplayed if you agree with me that those are synonyms?
If you don't agree with me - how are they not synonyms?
If, somehow, you called it overplayed for some reason having nothing to do with this - clarify what your reasoning was.
Also, again, you didn't address my DGB quote when you were grumping that I hadn't done it immediately - do you agree with what I said, or no? And why grump if you had nothing to add?
I stand by my stance - you are not actually trying to interact in a functional scumhunting method at the moment.
Work on that - I hear it helps town and hurts scum.
Unless you are scum, let me know and I'll drop that point.
Which is not what I said, so if that's your issue...then, stop misrepping and being scummy.
I said I believed ONE was. Kind of a different statement, y'know.
And here's possibly what Llama was talking about.
Your search function still sucks for searching this thread though - but I wanted to shove it down Cyourni's throat to showcase how useless he's being.
Y'know, as said by people who character assassinate her even though they appear to know her playstyle better than she does.
He's forcing each of those posts. Look at how he's played the game thus far, then look at the past two days or so, when people have been wanting to lynch him.
Because it's pretty much just using statistics to avoid having a real opinion.
Find me a single quote where I say that your "change in style" has anything to do with snark or sarcasm. I'll wait, though I'm not going to hold my breath.
On that note, find where Iso says that as well. I recall you addressing something like that to him.
Also, DYH's point is applicable.
I'm pretty sure reading will tell you that I have a note on it in the post.
The logic's flimsy at best. And considering how it was such a minor point in the first place, more than a bit of an overreaction.
Do you actually understand what sarcasm is, or are you just posting for the sake of posting?
Don't you think there's something strange about how she has expressed a constant willingness to vote for Fate until it looks like there's a reasonable possibility that Fate could get lynched?
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Kami of Lunacy - 4 - Llamarble, Cyan, Vierni, Aggressive_Fate - (L-3)
Thor665 - 3 - DYH, Kami of Lunacy, Iso - (L-4)
Iso - 1 - Thor665 - (L-6)
Nachomamma8 - 1 - Voxxicus - (L-6)
Aggressive_Fate - 1 - Cyouni - (L-6)
Cyouni - 1 - Nachomamma8 - (L-6)
llamarble - 1 - desCoures - (L-6)
I'd like to mention that with deadline coming in less than two days and people showing signs of sketchy levels of access, this kind of chaos is going to lead to No Lynch.
There are only two acceptable wagons at this point - KoL and Thor. Everyone else has a one-vote wagon and without reckless last-minute barning they're not going to get better. Stop whining, start consolidating.
A note on claims:
1) In this situation, KoL and Thor should claim now or else hope they live to claim another Day.
2) KoL's lack of claim by now means she's scum.
Def
I've got Thor & Llamarble as scum so.
But now I'm worried about Vi who calls me scum for not claiming fast enough when I was asleep.
Lemme fetch my role PM
One moment please
So it's game over for me no matter what happens.
OR THOR which is my theory.
Also I'm been up Llamarble's keister pretty deep and he's dancing quite the jig.
Both Thor's buddies are already voting me.
WUT
Llamarble doesn't count????
What the Coconut
I only voted two players.
Iso and you!!!
Revolving door what revolving door.
I effing went to sleep. Why isn't Thor held up to the same standard? At the time I offered to claim (and no one showed up for a while I kept refreshing), Thor and I had the same number of votes. I offered to claim early because I knew we'd need time to get another wagon, because I'm the goddamn doctor.
I was going to protect Voxx or desCoures.
Well people you're just going to have to lynch Thor later without me.
Watch out for Vi. Something's off.
I asked for an deadline extension to lynch Thor. Jesus. You guys let the scum walk all over me. What scum asks for a deadline extension when they're not on the line??? No one could even give a cogent reason as to why they were voting me, for all the fancy semantics I see here.
And look at Thor wanting to wash his hands off my town lynch. I swear to god both his buddies must be on my wagon already. Policy lynch my arse.
Let's lynch some scum.
vote: Llamarble
That's so sketch.
I'm no longer an acceptable wagon.
That leaves Thor.
AND Llamarble if we want to hit scum with 100% certainty.
I'll get back on Thor if necessary, but I've been barking he's scum for so long and there aren't enough bites. Maybe the momentum is Llamarble's.
So...you have an issue with me expressing my belief (aka - opinion) since I mentioned statistics, which you believe somehow invalidates said opinion. Ignoring that I had stated issues with all three slots, and simply used the statistics to clarify that I had a belief in only one as scum - and then later used other reasoning to show why I thought Iso was the legit scum amongst the three.
Actually you are dead on correct about this - it was DGB, and then was backed by Iso and DYH - I then substituted you in my head for DYH for some reason. That's my bad and I suck - that whole line of questioning is withdrawn and I wear egg.
That part is easy;
He denied it himself, actually, and I already showed him the quote where he did what I said he did.
He hasn't managed to find the grapefruits to back up his attack though, or to explain what he meant here if he *didn't* have an issue with my defense.
Y'know, because he did and he's lying.
You're saying I overreacted to her presenting a case on me that was like saying;
"Thor is scum because he isn't happy, his jubilence is a pure scum tell from him."
What was I supposed to do? Say 'oh, silly DGB, you case makes literally no sense at all, haw-haw, and it's fanciful how people are sheeping it as though it does, likely no scum amongst you at all!"
Or was I supposed to, y;know, shake branches on the bad push to find where the scum were because it was obvious there would be scum there?
Awww, so you were being "sarcastic" when you said you wanted to see an example of what he meant.
And then you're annoyed when someone actually does it.
Meh.
I'm not claiming because there is literally no way there are enough votes to lynch me. You have noticed how many people have town reads on me, right?
Since I said "reads" and not "votes" and provided an example even, I think I meant the revolving door of your reads and not your votes.
So...sure?
I meant 'reads'.
Unvote, Vote llama
Last minute wagon, go!
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
No comment on Vierni's double standard here?
I don't think it's a valid scumpoint against you, if that's what you're asking - but I don't think it's one on him either.
Vote: ISO
Cyouni is preferable, could also lynch anyone not Marble/Nacho/Thor/Vi
If DGB is alive D2 ****ing kill it dead I hope I don't have to spell this out
Fires (R/G)f Salvation
Gruul to the end. "If it doesn't break... hit harder."
I will also accept Fate, or Thor at a stretch.
The issue I have is the odd part where it says "if one's scum, the others are probably town barring extenuating circumstances". It's an excuse to avoid your own opinions in favour of statistics.
You know what forced means, right? I need to make sure here.
Oh, really? So then, pray tell, who was pushing on that logic aside from her?
Provide quotes.
You cannot be this bad at reading comprehension.
I refuse to believe that there is someone out there who literally cannot comprehend context to this extent.
This is like the reading comprehension of a five-year-old.
Anyone reading that can tell that's a joke.
If that's supposed to be Fate's "proof", then he needs to start dying soon.
I considered that as due to the shortage of votecounts.
Except that I clarified 'extenuating circumstances' as 'multi-ball' which is a pretty sensible and explicit exception to place on a read.
"Faked" is the meaning I am taking from it in this context.
Which does beg the follow-up question I am asking wherein I point out the illogic of the case on me and why I have a negative reaction to it, and thus my curiosity of what part they feel is fake. Because my logic is sound, and they have also all openly admitted that, even when I seemed more town, I came across as overproud of myself - so at what stage do they think I'm faking which part?
Do you know?
I don't.
I don't think they do either - which is why I'm pressing for the answer.
I literally just did - Iso.
Also DYH - here's his quote;
So...what, now that I've provided two quotes am I vindicated in pointing out that people said what I said they said?
What is this gak?
Honestly, with DGB, that seems like as solid a read reasoning as she ever gives and I did take it as legit.
I already stated though that I didn't take it as meaningful coming from her for the scumtell Fate was applying to her - so...sure, I agree?
DGB claiming doctor doesn't make her more likely to be town, but in the absence of a counterclaim, etc.
I feel like all these people calling me 100% scum can't be town. Back-to-the-wall 100% insistence is how scum start acting near deadline when threatened and wanting to force something through.
Best thing that could happen in the next couple hours would be Voxxicus or someone similarly sketchy coming in with the NOPE on DGB.
Yes, you incompetent weasel. I have reservations on everyone or I'd have been a lot more RAWR. I think I made that clear in the many posts where I said I don't have the game figured out, or in the posts where my only confident reads are a few townreads.
This has a good chance of being right, in general.
I haven't revisited DYH in a while.
I'm not giving you hints for YOUR imminent fakeclaim.
Why don't you claim now anyway?
Here's a hint:
My role is more important than yours >_>
Also it's the same blue color.
Not surprising. Honestly it might be best to just lynch DGB anyway.
ISO already claimed :something: so we are at a too-high PR per claim density.
Or we could just lynch you, by that logic.
Which is terrible logic.
There's still vanillas in the game, probably 3-5 of them total if I had to guess - design intent from the Showdown creation thread was to put it somewhere between basic and minis, I believe (3 town power roles for basic, 7-9 town power roles for minis). So as an off the cuff guess, I'd say 4-6 power roles in this game.
Trying to push a lynch on an un-cc'd doc claim (a real protective role should probbbably CC, given how close t deadline we are, and the fact that we'll be rushing a lynch home otherwise) based on two hardclaims and a soft claim is just... no.
Vote: llamarble
This post amused me because he is pretty privileged given that my reads are equivalently important to everyone else's combined.
I'm Town Poisoner Detective Jimmy Halloran
Congratulations Voxxicus, you're getting vigged.
Or maybe dC or Cyouni; I haven't actually submitted it yet.