And Magic is still expanding of course. For every player selling his collection (and dropping all his Invoke prejudices back on the market), 2 players are getting into Magic. Once Magic passes its peak and more people quit than enter the game, I think the market will die off again. There won't be a buyer for the 10 Prejudices on the market and for every buyer, 2 more will pop up ebay. Hopefully it deflates slowly and not with a bang. Although, even if the prices crash with a bang, it will only have influence on shops and traders, not for most players. For those players Magic will become a sweet candy shop where they can buy every card they ever wanted for almost nothing
Amen, this was also the trend in the rise and fall of Baseball cards.
Nostalgia is a generational thing and I think what we're seeing in MTG is people who played it in highschool/college who now are in their 30s with their careers going and more money than sense to splurge on the collectables of their youth.
Once they move on and raise families etc their interest and money will wane and the Magic bubble will burst. Perhaps not on more recent cards, which will have an entirely new generation of high rollers but definitely on the vintage 90s sets.
There's a lot we can learn from the Baseball card market and what will happen to Mtg in the future.
Amen, this was also the trend in the rise and fall of Baseball cards.
Nostalgia is a generational thing and I think what we're seeing in MTG is people who played it in highschool/college who now are in their 30s with their careers going and more money than sense to splurge on the collectables of their youth.
Once they move on and raise families etc their interest and money will wane and the Magic bubble will burst. Perhaps not on more recent cards, which will have an entirely new generation of high rollers but definitely on the vintage 90s sets.
There's a lot we can learn from the Baseball card market and what will happen to Mtg in the future.
The baseball card market also had the issue of massive overprinting of cards during the late 80s and 90s. Outside of something like fallen empires for example, magic sets aren't overprinted like that, wizards is much more careful than that to assure that the market is never glutted with too much of a product.
Also, the issue with baseball cards, is that, honestly, while an awesome collectible, theres really nothing else you can do with them. You collect, you put in binders/boxes, and they get to sit there and look pretty. With something like magic the gathering, you have an actual game that people can play with the cards, tournaments to get involved in, while also having that same collectability aspect to it.
That said, magic the gathering will not last forever. How long it will last is anybody's guess, could be 10 more years, could be 20, right now there is basically zero risk of the game going anywhere anytime soon.
And, as for the comment about families, theres a funny thing about that. Families that have a parent that was into magic, will often eventually end up getting their kids into the game as well. I saw an unbelievable amount of that when I was running the magic singles at the shop. The kids themselves might not have a lot of disposable income when they are younger, but often their parents do, to a reasonable extent. And as new players get into the game, whether porting over from other games like yugioh or pokemon, or the like, or when introduced by their friends/family, they too may eventually find themselves getting job, having disposable income and looking out for those older cards that are often harder to find.
Will be interesting to see though how long it takes for the game to finally burn itself out. But for now at least, the game continues to grow at a torrid pace, and thusly so have prices on many difficult to find and good older cards (reserved list especially).
I'll chime in and say that it'll take some time for it to completely burn out. Look at Rage, V:TES, Doomtown, L5R, and my favorite CCG of all time - Shadowfist.
Some of those games still release new product, and some haven't in years - but they all have active player communities. Smaller communities than Magic, but still active nonetheless.
Anyone want to comment on Serra's Sanctum jumping to $40?
It's way overdue... Enchantress (still places in various tournaments & does well online) + Theros possibilities + Reserved List is a very good forumla. I'm still flabbergasted Digeridoo jumped before Sanctum. The only thing that logically makes sense is someone has inside info on a incoming huge Minotaur but so far nothing.
It's an instant speed 5/5 trampler for 4. Wtf do you people want seriously? It has applications in populate/ above the curve beats decks, or in Bant control/ flash. I seriously think anyone mad at this card for any reason other than losing an attacker to instant speed wurm, should go home and make their own awesome card game and leave the rest of us alone.
It's way overdue... Enchantress (still places in various tournaments & does well online) + Theros possibilities + Reserved List is a very good forumla. I'm still flabbergasted Digeridoo jumped before Sanctum. The only thing that logically makes sense is someone has inside info on a incoming huge Minotaur but so far nothing.
You could buy at least 20 Didgeridoos for the same as a Serra's Sanctum. That could easily contribute to it spiking before Serra Sanctum.
Didgeridoo was an easy spike because it was worth a dollar before the spike. So you could buy a lot more and potentially get a better return on investment if didgeridoo becomes a thing that's actually used/stabilizes at 10 for example you just made a few dollars buylisting the copies.
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Idk, I feel like it's kinda dumb the card went up. I mean, Digeridoo COULD become bOrKed with new Theros stuff, but still, IMO not that likely. That said, being only a buck or two before speculation made it an easy pick-up. As you're really not losing all that much, while the potential gain -- if it exists -- is much higher.
Reprints the one card that people point to when saying that art objectifies women.
Well done Wizards.
Liliana does not objectify women in any way at all. We have gotten to a point in our society that every single picture of a women must be objectifying a women in some negative way......blah blah blah.. That is not the case. (((Sarcasm)))Picture of a girl drinking a milk shake, must be sex related and putting women down, picture of girl sitting on a beach, picture of a girl driving a car, picture of a girl on the moon at a new space station.)))
You have a picture of an attractive strong power women who girls dress up as for anime conventions. What more do you want? The picture is fine, happy to see a reprint. Sick of of seeing people claim that everything in existence must be putting women down. Then all I have to do is replace the word "women" with anything else to get the same mentality; fish, cats, arabs, blacks, jews, men, environment, whites, chinese, old people, etc. It doesn't matter what word I put in. Stop sucking life out of everything man. That artwork of her is awesome. Stop putting stuff down man. Just stop. If the picture was really as negative as you claim she would totally nude, in a kitchen, making sandwiches and giving blow jobs. Her abilities would be horrible as well. +1 do nothing -2 do nothing -6 do nothing. Instead liliana of the veil is an amazing planeswalker comparable to jace, the mind sculpter with great art to appreciate.
My suggestion listen to some comedy radio for a while, pandora is free, youtube is free there is something out there for you. ***** go make fun of somebody. The whole world is so serious and campaigning for some cause, or someones rights, everything is a hate crime, racist, sexist. blah blah blah.
"O no mcdonalds must be slandering a hate crime against skinny people every time they make a big mac." hahaha jeeze You're just someone perpetuating another groups negative perspective that they've made you believe is correct. Look at the picture for a hour and tell me what's wrong with it? I don't see anything.
I have heard vague rumors of a moustache-dispensing vending machine in a distant laundromat, across the street from a tattoo parlor. However, this information is shaky, and time is of the essence.
It's way overdue... Enchantress (still places in various tournaments & does well online) + Theros possibilities + Reserved List is a very good forumla. I'm still flabbergasted Digeridoo jumped before Sanctum. The only thing that logically makes sense is someone has inside info on a incoming huge Minotaur but so far nothing.
Or, rather, that people identified that Theros was likely to have minotaurs, and that even if they aren't tournament playable, casual players would eat them up.
The only things I can see Theros block bringing that might help Enchantress is a Volrath's Stronghold/Academy Ruins for enchantments or the "WIZARDS WANTS MONEY" card; a Hexproof, White enchantress in the vein of Argothian Enchantress or a White Enchantress's Presence. But even those might not be too good as neither play well with the Green backbone of the deck, especially GSZ.
Serra sanctum and didgeridoo are 2 of the more recent ridiculous speculation. It shows how "speculation-happy" Magic has become.
Even if a card does get a boost and see play, often the drop below the spec prices in a few months since the spec prices are often "best case scenarios"
Serra sanctum and didgeridoo are 2 of the more recent ridiculous speculation. It shows how "speculation-happy" Magic has become.
unfortunately that is the current state of magic at this point and isn't limited to legacy (i.e. modern). however i do feel Serra's Sanctum has always been undervalued. i don't even want to consider the potential price of an unbanned Tolarian Academy lol
btw TA WONT ever be unbanned i know that much.
unfortunately that is the current state of magic at this point and isn't limited to legacy (i.e. modern). however i do feel Serra's Sanctum has always been undervalued. i don't even want to consider the potential price of an unbanned Tolarian Academy lol
btw TA WONT ever be unbanned i know that much.
Despite having very similar rules text, Serra's Sanctum is a vastly different (read: worse) card than Tolarian Academy - or Gaea's Cradle for that matter. Probably a lot of the Sanctum's value is tied up in the fact that it's two brothers are worth so much (or are so famous), but I'd warn against drawing comparisons here as far as value goes. The play they see (or would see) in both casual and competitive is just not on the same level.
The only things I can see Theros block bringing that might help Enchantress is a Volrath's Stronghold/Academy Ruins for enchantments or the "WIZARDS WANTS MONEY" card; a Hexproof, White enchantress in the vein of Argothian Enchantress or a White Enchantress's Presence. But even those might not be too good as neither play well with the Green backbone of the deck, especially GSZ.
You wouldn't use a white Argothian Enchantress in lieu of a green one, you'd use it instead of GSZ. It's definitely possible to print a 1WW 0/1 enchantress with hexproof.
You wouldn't use a white Argothian Enchantress in lieu of a green one, you'd use it instead of GSZ. It's definitely possible to print a 1WW 0/1 enchantress with hexproof.
Or even reprint Argothian Enchantress, except Argoth is a specific name.
You wouldn't use a white Argothian Enchantress in lieu of a green one, you'd use it instead of GSZ. It's definitely possible to print a 1WW 0/1 enchantress with hexproof.
You might not use it instead of the green one in legacy, but a white one (or anything similar in any color) would probably define the modern format enchantress- like deck (not boggles). I know this is the legacy thread but it would be used in both formats and would be instantly valuable even though legacy enchantress is tier 1.5/2.
You wouldn't use a white Argothian Enchantress in lieu of a green one, you'd use it instead of GSZ. It's definitely possible to print a 1WW 0/1 enchantress with hexproof.
With abrupt decay in the format I'm not so sure if I would swap. I'd probably just run 12 enchantress effects honestly, since the deck really wants to have an enchantress hit play on turn 2-3.
As for enchantress in modern, I don't see that happening. It doesn't have solitary confinement, sanctum, hell even wild growth isn't legal. Modern enchantress will probably almost always be hexproof auras.dec.
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Amen, this was also the trend in the rise and fall of Baseball cards.
Nostalgia is a generational thing and I think what we're seeing in MTG is people who played it in highschool/college who now are in their 30s with their careers going and more money than sense to splurge on the collectables of their youth.
Once they move on and raise families etc their interest and money will wane and the Magic bubble will burst. Perhaps not on more recent cards, which will have an entirely new generation of high rollers but definitely on the vintage 90s sets.
There's a lot we can learn from the Baseball card market and what will happen to Mtg in the future.
The baseball card market also had the issue of massive overprinting of cards during the late 80s and 90s. Outside of something like fallen empires for example, magic sets aren't overprinted like that, wizards is much more careful than that to assure that the market is never glutted with too much of a product.
Also, the issue with baseball cards, is that, honestly, while an awesome collectible, theres really nothing else you can do with them. You collect, you put in binders/boxes, and they get to sit there and look pretty. With something like magic the gathering, you have an actual game that people can play with the cards, tournaments to get involved in, while also having that same collectability aspect to it.
That said, magic the gathering will not last forever. How long it will last is anybody's guess, could be 10 more years, could be 20, right now there is basically zero risk of the game going anywhere anytime soon.
And, as for the comment about families, theres a funny thing about that. Families that have a parent that was into magic, will often eventually end up getting their kids into the game as well. I saw an unbelievable amount of that when I was running the magic singles at the shop. The kids themselves might not have a lot of disposable income when they are younger, but often their parents do, to a reasonable extent. And as new players get into the game, whether porting over from other games like yugioh or pokemon, or the like, or when introduced by their friends/family, they too may eventually find themselves getting job, having disposable income and looking out for those older cards that are often harder to find.
Will be interesting to see though how long it takes for the game to finally burn itself out. But for now at least, the game continues to grow at a torrid pace, and thusly so have prices on many difficult to find and good older cards (reserved list especially).
Some of those games still release new product, and some haven't in years - but they all have active player communities. Smaller communities than Magic, but still active nonetheless.
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http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=10647409&postcount=2723
Someone here bought out all the NM copies on speculation.
It's way overdue... Enchantress (still places in various tournaments & does well online) + Theros possibilities + Reserved List is a very good forumla. I'm still flabbergasted Digeridoo jumped before Sanctum. The only thing that logically makes sense is someone has inside info on a incoming huge Minotaur but so far nothing.
You could buy at least 20 Didgeridoos for the same as a Serra's Sanctum. That could easily contribute to it spiking before Serra Sanctum.
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Or, rather, that people identified that Theros was likely to have minotaurs, and that even if they aren't tournament playable, casual players would eat them up.
Honestly, I'd be surprised if Theros throws Enchantress as many bones as Innistrad or Nu-Ravnica did. Nevermore, Stony Silence, Rest in Peace, Blind Obedience, and Sphere of Safety all bolstered Enchantress a lot.
The only things I can see Theros block bringing that might help Enchantress is a Volrath's Stronghold/Academy Ruins for enchantments or the "WIZARDS WANTS MONEY" card; a Hexproof, White enchantress in the vein of Argothian Enchantress or a White Enchantress's Presence. But even those might not be too good as neither play well with the Green backbone of the deck, especially GSZ.
Serra sanctum and didgeridoo are 2 of the more recent ridiculous speculation. It shows how "speculation-happy" Magic has become.
Even if a card does get a boost and see play, often the drop below the spec prices in a few months since the spec prices are often "best case scenarios"
unfortunately that is the current state of magic at this point and isn't limited to legacy (i.e. modern). however i do feel Serra's Sanctum has always been undervalued. i don't even want to consider the potential price of an unbanned Tolarian Academy lol
btw TA WONT ever be unbanned i know that much.
Despite having very similar rules text, Serra's Sanctum is a vastly different (read: worse) card than Tolarian Academy - or Gaea's Cradle for that matter. Probably a lot of the Sanctum's value is tied up in the fact that it's two brothers are worth so much (or are so famous), but I'd warn against drawing comparisons here as far as value goes. The play they see (or would see) in both casual and competitive is just not on the same level.
You wouldn't use a white Argothian Enchantress in lieu of a green one, you'd use it instead of GSZ. It's definitely possible to print a 1WW 0/1 enchantress with hexproof.
Or even reprint Argothian Enchantress, except Argoth is a specific name.
You might not use it instead of the green one in legacy, but a white one (or anything similar in any color) would probably define the modern format enchantress- like deck (not boggles). I know this is the legacy thread but it would be used in both formats and would be instantly valuable even though legacy enchantress is tier 1.5/2.
I would gladly drop Argothian Enchantress for a W Enchantress's Presence. I could then MD Humility and dodge Edicts and sweepers.
There are plenty of theoretical cards that could see print in Theros that would justify the speculation on Serra's Sanctum...
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As for enchantress in modern, I don't see that happening. It doesn't have solitary confinement, sanctum, hell even wild growth isn't legal. Modern enchantress will probably almost always be hexproof auras.dec.
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