I think this could very well be a fake, I could be wrong of course but there's a lot that seems off. If you look at the card closely (http://imgur.com/3KLlV13) the watermark does NOT look like the Theros symbol. The Theros symbol is an axe with a handle.
Second the name. They gave it a name with no good reason not to use it. Yeah Kamigawa was a pain pronouncing some stuff but that's no reason to not use the right name for it.
Third, does anyone else find it odd that's there a random picture of a Theros card at the bottom of the September poster with no captions like "Get ready for Theros pre-release/game day whatever"? Just..seems...off...
I'll wait for the official spoiler for it. I mean we know it'll be an Enchantment obviously and probably an Artifact since it's a weapon but no Equipment? Sad face it it's true
So, the planeswalker guide gives us the NAME of the TWO-dented spear of Thassa, and the card not only doesn't use the name but calls it a TRIdent? This card is ridiculously outrageous, please let this be fake.
EDIT - looking at the pic, it looks like it's called "Bident of Thassa". Is this possible? Name/word is awful nevertheless.
This may have been said already, but both a Trident (three pronged) and a Bident (two pronged) are types of spears. Bident is not a made up word and they didn't 'lie' in the Planeswalkers Guide.
I think this could very well be a fake, I could be wrong of course but there's a lot that seems off. If you look at the card closely (http://imgur.com/3KLlV13) the watermark does NOT look like the Theros symbol. The Theros symbol is an axe with a handle.
The Axe set symbol belong to Duel Deck: Heros vs. Monsters.
use the wear side to hit this thing and the tear side to hit the now obvious Legendary Enchantment Creature- God, that they also dropped into the field
also you attack them anyways, because even if they didnt pay for the ability you were obviously going to do it...
i hope this is a fake but i know that after the fail that was Emmara tandris that ability is here to stay. I am also expecting there will be a cheap mythic that the real ability gets tacked on so that we can all stare at it and drool on our store display case as it collects dust and pays the LGS rent for the month.
Also the above post summarizes my thoughts on the issue. however as a fan of red i am happy we can now shatter your engine instead of just ignoring it and win by turn 5. what is that you want me to attack? well of course!
i know it could make gameplay relevant sense, that its an enchantment and artefact
but from the design and what enchantment and artefact means to me, its totally fail designed and the person with this idea should be fired
or is wizards already running out of ideas ?
whats comn next ?
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You forgot that it's also Tribal - Shapeshifter, and has Changeling
Joking aside, I for one welcome our new Artifact/Enchantment overlords, as I love the ethereal flavor the new border & enchantment typing gives to the card. As well, I share the sentiment of others in saying that I hope this helps to unblur the lines between artifacts and enchantments to an extent. I think there always will be some overlap between the two, but cards like this should help to showcase which way each card type leans in the general sense.
I wasn't planning on getting much of Theros, as I want to save up for Commander season; however they might be starting to win me over...
My only suspicions are:
Why isn't it in the sea and why isn't it called: Dekella?
Seems a little silly to name an item and not use it's name on the card that represents it. (Especially if you aren't going to keep the name generic for future reprints) Bident of the Sea God I'd even understand but Bident of Thassa, may as well be named Dekella.
Also I didn't notice the star border, that makes me suspicious as well. Wasn't the star border supposed to be a visual cue for the god mechanic?
Ok, so for all the people confused as to why this is an enchantment it's because the gods themselves are enchantments, so surely their weapons as compared to a mortals weapons on Theros are enchantments as well. I assume the starry border is because they are the gods weapons, and that if we have any enchantment artifacts outside of these they will just look like your "normal" colored artifacts from Esper
Why, as Legendary, this isnt' called "Dekella, Bident of Thassa". It would make more sense flavourwise, I think. The art isn't the one in the guide yesterday too...
So Theros is: design cards, then slap "enchantment" on them? While the trick made sense in mirrodin as artifact creatures are flavorful, for enchantments it really feels forced.
At least the mythological flavor and art are great, so I'll just ignore the type line.
I'm waiting for the obvious wrath variant that invariably appear in such blocks: destroy all non-enchantment, non-land permanents.
Why, as Legendary, this isnt' called "Dekella, Bident of Thassa". It would make more sense flavourwise, I think. The art isn't the one in the guide yesterday too...
And there's a god watermark?
The watermark is the expansion symbol, which is a watermark on release promos. (Colossal Whale)
So Theros is: design cards, then slap "enchantment" on them? While the trick made sense in mirrodin as artifact creatures are flavorful, for enchantments it really feels forced.
At least the mythological flavor and art are great, so I'll just ignore the type line.
I'm waiting for the obvious wrath variant that invariably appear in such blocks: destroy all non-enchantment, non-land permanents.
How is the flavor of "Metal plane" or "Etherium" different than "Gods and their instruments are enchantments"?
Of course the dual typing feels 'forced' if we don't see why it exists.
If we saw Artifact Lands before a single Mirrodin card that cared about artifacts, we would say similar things.
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On Theros, enchantments represent the gods and everything that comes from them. This new frame makes it easier to see which card is an enchantment in addition to its other types, otherwise, it would be hard to differentiate a normal creature from an enchantment creature without reading the type line, which would be annoying in a block where enchantments play a big role. It's the same thing as how coloured artifact have their own frame.
Colored Artifacts simply have a frame that is the combination of their colors and the artifact frame, and it's as necessary to change the entire frame to point it out for linear X-Matters as it is necessary to give all elves a new frame to help out with elf-tribal mechanics (not worth the complexity). (Plus, I do believe that at SDCC MaRo stated that although an enchantment block, they didn't employ X-Matters as the main way to get enchantments to matter)
Also, I just want to make it clear that I'm not just saying this to defend my scry-trigger hypothesis. If someone can shoot it down (well, not that its so strong that it needs to be 'shot down', but you know), I'd be more than happy because while I like the direction it's going, like I said earlier, employed in the natural and simplest way it seems like it'd end up a little too dry. I really just can't think of anything else to justify the new card frames, and I don't think tutoring or X-Matters would be good enough reasons. It really seems to me that some other card is going to need an on-reveal interaction with these to justify it, since apparently they're not using purple/snow/temple/enchantment/nyx mana or anything in the cost (the one thing besides on-reveal mechanics that have before been enough to justify a new card frame, outside of time-shifting and entire-game-revamping).
Has a card ever been spoiled like this before? How did this image end up on the poster? Did WotC just print a few of these posters with the image and ship them to game stores, not knowing if they'd be displayed or even unpacked in time? Furthermore, why do a gimmick like that anyway if they were going to presumably spoil Theros related things this Sunday?
What's the point of giving the divine weapons names and not using them? The Moonsilver Spear wasn't called Spear of Avacyn, was it? Neither was Elbrus, the Binding Blade called Cursed Demon Blade. What I'm saying is, they make an effort to give named items the justice they deserve. They don't just slap a generic name that describes it directly on the card. I think they would of used this bident's real name.
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I'm pretty sure we've had cards spoiled via posters before. Wasn't Mayor of Avabruck spoiled like this last year?
Also .. Enchantment Artifact? What does that even mean?
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The Axe set symbol belong to Duel Deck: Heros vs. Monsters.
True my bad, but it still doesn't match the Theros symbol (looking at the actual symbol this time) it's supposed to have like a stick thing in the middle which the spoiler doesn't have. It's just a trapezoid at the bottom with 2 partial circles on the sides and the top looks closed off completing a 3/4 circle all around. The stick thing doesn't touch the partial circles on the sides by the way, it's separate.
Is it just me or is this card kinda ridiculous? Force your opponents to swing into your strong defenses, and then swing into them drawing cards, and locking the game?
I'm pretty sure we've had cards spoiled via posters before. Wasn't Mayor of Avabruck spoiled like this last year?
Also .. Enchantment Artifact? What does that even mean?
It wasn't on a poster. It was just a foil release promo. I can see them giving out intentional spoilers like that, but not on a poster where it's exposure isn't guarantied.
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It wasn't on a poster. It was just a foil release promo. I can see them giving out intentional spoilers like that, but not on a poster where it's exposure isn't guarantied.
True my bad, but it still doesn't match the Theros symbol (looking at the actual symbol this time) it's supposed to have like a stick thing in the middle which the spoiler doesn't have. It's just a trapezoid at the bottom with 2 partial circles on the sides and the top looks closed off completing a 3/4 circle all around. The stick thing doesn't touch the partial circles on the sides by the way, it's separate.
Look at the watermark more closely, it is the expansion symbol.
If you see something different on the expansion symbol, it is because of the image.
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I agree that the artifact enchantment is sort of lame, but it enabled it to have a tap ability which enchantments generally do not do so I am sort of ok with it. It honestly is sort of a mix between the two as the first effect it has is already seen on Costal Piracy and its second effect is clearly an artifact or creature ability.
Overall, I find it interesting and useful. I don't really like that it ended up being both artifact + enchantment but it has its pros and cons being both.
I also find legendary on noncreatures to be a lot less impressive now. Its ok I guess so we don't see these stacking out but its unlikely that you would want to make a 60 card deck that would stack these out anyways.
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This is definitely a design direction I hope they either a) make it matter like artifacts in mirrodin or Esper, or b) make it small enough to not matter like they ultimately did with werewolves in Innistrad (still sad that they could have been a thing)
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Second the name. They gave it a name with no good reason not to use it. Yeah Kamigawa was a pain pronouncing some stuff but that's no reason to not use the right name for it.
Third, does anyone else find it odd that's there a random picture of a Theros card at the bottom of the September poster with no captions like "Get ready for Theros pre-release/game day whatever"? Just..seems...off...
I'll wait for the official spoiler for it. I mean we know it'll be an Enchantment obviously and probably an Artifact since it's a weapon but no Equipment? Sad face it it's true
This may have been said already, but both a Trident (three pronged) and a Bident (two pronged) are types of spears. Bident is not a made up word and they didn't 'lie' in the Planeswalkers Guide.
It's a very risky move from WotC. They might be either separating the spaces of artifacts and enchantments here or blurring then further...
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The Axe set symbol belong to Duel Deck: Heros vs. Monsters.
i hope this is a fake but i know that after the fail that was Emmara tandris that ability is here to stay. I am also expecting there will be a cheap mythic that the real ability gets tacked on so that we can all stare at it and drool on our store display case as it collects dust and pays the LGS rent for the month.
Also the above post summarizes my thoughts on the issue. however as a fan of red i am happy we can now shatter your engine instead of just ignoring it and win by turn 5. what is that you want me to attack? well of course!
You forgot that it's also Tribal - Shapeshifter, and has Changeling
Joking aside, I for one welcome our new Artifact/Enchantment overlords, as I love the ethereal flavor the new border & enchantment typing gives to the card. As well, I share the sentiment of others in saying that I hope this helps to unblur the lines between artifacts and enchantments to an extent. I think there always will be some overlap between the two, but cards like this should help to showcase which way each card type leans in the general sense.
I wasn't planning on getting much of Theros, as I want to save up for Commander season; however they might be starting to win me over...
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Why isn't it in the sea and why isn't it called: Dekella?
Seems a little silly to name an item and not use it's name on the card that represents it. (Especially if you aren't going to keep the name generic for future reprints) Bident of the Sea God I'd even understand but Bident of Thassa, may as well be named Dekella.
Also I didn't notice the star border, that makes me suspicious as well. Wasn't the star border supposed to be a visual cue for the god mechanic?
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At least the mythological flavor and art are great, so I'll just ignore the type line.
I'm waiting for the obvious wrath variant that invariably appear in such blocks: destroy all non-enchantment, non-land permanents.
The watermark is the expansion symbol, which is a watermark on release promos. (Colossal Whale)
How is the flavor of "Metal plane" or "Etherium" different than "Gods and their instruments are enchantments"?
Of course the dual typing feels 'forced' if we don't see why it exists.
If we saw Artifact Lands before a single Mirrodin card that cared about artifacts, we would say similar things.
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Colored Artifacts simply have a frame that is the combination of their colors and the artifact frame, and it's as necessary to change the entire frame to point it out for linear X-Matters as it is necessary to give all elves a new frame to help out with elf-tribal mechanics (not worth the complexity). (Plus, I do believe that at SDCC MaRo stated that although an enchantment block, they didn't employ X-Matters as the main way to get enchantments to matter)
Also, I just want to make it clear that I'm not just saying this to defend my scry-trigger hypothesis. If someone can shoot it down (well, not that its so strong that it needs to be 'shot down', but you know), I'd be more than happy because while I like the direction it's going, like I said earlier, employed in the natural and simplest way it seems like it'd end up a little too dry. I really just can't think of anything else to justify the new card frames, and I don't think tutoring or X-Matters would be good enough reasons. It really seems to me that some other card is going to need an on-reveal interaction with these to justify it, since apparently they're not using purple/snow/temple/enchantment/nyx mana or anything in the cost (the one thing besides on-reveal mechanics that have before been enough to justify a new card frame, outside of time-shifting and entire-game-revamping).
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What's the point of giving the divine weapons names and not using them? The Moonsilver Spear wasn't called Spear of Avacyn, was it? Neither was Elbrus, the Binding Blade called Cursed Demon Blade. What I'm saying is, they make an effort to give named items the justice they deserve. They don't just slap a generic name that describes it directly on the card. I think they would of used this bident's real name.
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Also .. Enchantment Artifact? What does that even mean?
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True my bad, but it still doesn't match the Theros symbol (looking at the actual symbol this time) it's supposed to have like a stick thing in the middle which the spoiler doesn't have. It's just a trapezoid at the bottom with 2 partial circles on the sides and the top looks closed off completing a 3/4 circle all around. The stick thing doesn't touch the partial circles on the sides by the way, it's separate.
It wasn't on a poster. It was just a foil release promo. I can see them giving out intentional spoilers like that, but not on a poster where it's exposure isn't guarantied.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=350259
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Look at that post again, the howlpack alpha on the right is from a poster.
Look at the watermark more closely, it is the expansion symbol.
If you see something different on the expansion symbol, it is because of the image.
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Overall, I find it interesting and useful. I don't really like that it ended up being both artifact + enchantment but it has its pros and cons being both.
I also find legendary on noncreatures to be a lot less impressive now. Its ok I guess so we don't see these stacking out but its unlikely that you would want to make a 60 card deck that would stack these out anyways.
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