Well one way to value your collection that would be more accurate would be something close to this. My current collection has about 64000 cards (without basic) accounted for atm. If I want to put an approximate sell value on it I would call it, $6500-9000. That is calling every card $.10-.15. I know it would not be easy to move for that price but, it would be possible because of some bigger name cards I have with it
My old pal and magic partner buys collections (last I checked) and for commons/uncommons/bulk rares, he subtracts from the total buycost (so he charges them) to haul them off.
Seeing people get offered 10% of what they think their collection is worth is a sobering experience. Doubly so is how difficult it can be to squeeze a reasonable amount of profit out of that purchased collection.
If the cream of your collection consists of the cards you listed, you will be lucky to get 1000 dollars for your collection.
LOL. 100K. LMAO.
That guy has got to be a troll. That's just so off the wall unrealistic, it can't possibly be a serious opinion.
If i had a measly $2000, i could buy the jace, tarmogoyf, fetches, and other "great cards" and spent the other $1000 on buying SCGs 100K packages with 1000 rares, 5000 uncommons and 100K cards.
cradle is right, you'd be lucky to get $1000 for your collection.
That guy has got to be a troll. That's just so off the wall unrealistic, it can't possibly be a serious opinion.
If i had a measly $2000, i could buy the jace, tarmogoyf, fetches, and other "great cards" and spent the other $1000 on buying SCGs 100K packages with 1000 rares, 5000 uncommons and 100K cards.
cradle is right, you'd be lucky to get $1000 for your collection.
While I agree his numbers are way off... there is a valid point in there that you guys might be misunderstanding... that is that if you added up all his cards value from TCGP then his collection value is WAAAAY higher than what he can actually get for it all.
Don't want to beat a dead horse though as FieryBalrog has hit the point quite well.
My old pal and magic partner buys collections (last I checked) and for commons/uncommons/bulk rares, he subtracts from the total buycost (so he charges them) to haul them off.
Seeing people get offered 10% of what they think their collection is worth is a sobering experience. Doubly so is how difficult it can be to squeeze a reasonable amount of profit out of that purchased collection.
Are people really that dumb though? If I got offered that... I would say "okay... take the cards you want and I'm throwing out the rest." No way in heck I'm having someone subtract value off the collection for the bulk stuff. Especially since it's not like magic cards are tough to dispose of as compared to something like say an old cathode ray TV. The bulk should just be an added bonus the guy gets for buying the collection that he could make a profit on potentially (or throw out himself). There are enough times that obscure old card spikes in price that I think you shouldn't be charging people for that...
Saw a collection with a lot of the cards i have sell for 4k on ebay. Numbers arent that far off.
Look at the $6k price. For one Jaces you take off .20 and add 149.90. For 10 kitchen finks you add you take off $1 and add $50.20
So now it is $6348.20 and thats only translating 12 cards to tcg pricing. I know the others translate lower and slower. But it adds up quickly.
Using the mid price for tcg it would be $12160 (saying avg card price is .19)
64000 cards pricing for 100k would be saying your avg card is $1.50.
You must be trolling, but in case people actually believe what you're saying...
A $100k collection is absurd. Even people who have entire playsets of the best staples (ABU duals, onslaught fetches, zendikar fetches, jaces, goyfs, bobs, FoWs, etc.) aren't anywhere close to $100k.
An average of $1.50 on 64,000 cards in incredibly hard to reach. For every $100 card, you have thousands that are worth fractions of a penny.
Remember that guy who had his collection stolen recently that contained japanese foils, beta power, beta duals, misprints, etc.? Someone priced out the notables and not even that was $100k (iirc, it was around ~$70k).
Saw a collection with a lot of the cards i have sell for 4k on ebay. With less total overall cards. Numbers arent that far off.
Look at the $6k price. For one Jaces you take off .20 and add 149.90. For 10 kitchen finks you add you take off $1 and add $50.20
So now it is $6348.20 and thats only translating 12 cards to tcg pricing. I know the others translate lower and slower. But it adds up quickly.
Using the mid price for tcg it would be $12160 (saying avg card price is .19)
64000 cards pricing for 100k would be saying your avg card is $1.50.
Can you even grok the difference between what a $4000 collection and a $100,000 collection looks like?
Unless there are no irrelevant commons, no irrelevant uncommons, no bulk rares... it's HARD to get to an average card value of $1.50.
More of then than not, when I'm putting together my trade binder I'll drop my inclusion price to $1, just because there are LOTS of heavily played and highly useful EDH cards that just barely scrape a dollar or a dollar and a half, and they're sitting on all kinds of "staples of this color/color combination" list.
I wouldn't be shocked to see a figure that said most local gaming stores don't carry a stock of singles that are worth $100,000.
An average of $1.50 on 64,000 cards in incredibly hard to reach. For every $100 card, you have thousands that are worth fractions of a penny.
Remember that guy who had his collection stolen recently that contained japanese foils, beta power, beta duals, misprints, etc.? Someone priced out the notables and not even that was $100k (iirc, it was around ~$70k).
Saying TCG pricing on everything some nothing would be worth a fraction of a cent.
For that guy you are talking about notiable part of his collection was 70k. So what would the rest be worth on TCG pricing? $500k if someone would actually pay for it (assuming he has alot more and didnt throw out all "cheap" cards). I said in my first post I could probably sell for 6k to the right buyer.
If you look at store buylist prices instead of just the retail prices, they reflect this very well
So when someone posts asking what their Tarmogoyf is worth, you're going to tell them $80, not $120, since that's what the buylist liquid price is worth? If so, I hope no one ever listens to you.
Saying TCG pricing on everything some nothing would be worth a fraction of a cent.
For that guy you are talking about notiable part of his collection was 70k. So what would the rest be worth on TCG pricing? $500k if someone would actually pay for it (assuming he has alot more and didnt throw out all "cheap" cards). I said in my first post I could probably sell for 6k to the right buyer.
Aside from making an academic point, what's the purpose of trying to establish such a ridiculous valuation? I mean, let's go by your collection:
64000 cards valued at an average value of $1.50 per card. That means that you are valuing every 15 cards (i.e. a booster pack)
at 15 * 1.50 at a whopping $22.50.
In other words, if I dipped my hands into your golden collection, and randomly draw 15 cards, then on average, the value of those 15 cards is worth $22.50. By comparison, Modern masters boosters go for about $10 each on ebay.
box is $250 @ 24 boosters a box.
I don't know what purpose you're stating with figuring a 100k tcgplayer valuation. But its so unrealistic, it's a moot point.
Like I said, the average price of a modern card is by my calculations 70 cents and its not like every modern booster box even contains $250 worth of cards.
Or put another way, if we turned your collection into booster boxes, they would each be worth $810 each.
So every random 540 cards we pulled from your collection (thats a booster box worth of cards)
would be worth slightly more than 9 boxes of return to ravnica at 89.99.
So when someone posts asking what their Tarmogoyf is worth, you're going to tell them $80, not $120, since that's what the buylist liquid price is worth? If so, I hope no one ever listens to you.
Trading using buylist prices is actually perfectly fair as long as both parties are using them. When people trade using retail prices, they very sensibly use concepts like "trading up/down" and "trading staples" to avoid doing stuff like trading a $120 retail tarmogoyf for the pile of $3 cards listed under their "Wants". If they are willing to "trade down", they ask for a (often large) margin on the trade to compensate. This functionally approximates, in many ways, trading using buylist values.
Note I have specifically avoided your inane hypothetical about "when someone posts asking what their Tarmogoyf is worth" since that isn't a question that is answered without context. Worth what? Worth in terms of "must turn into cash now"? Worth in terms of "trading for other MTG staples"? Worth in terms of "what is the max cash I can get for this if I'm a patient seller"? Perhaps you might realize that your attempt to try to answer disparate questions with a single numerical short-cut is shoddy and simplistic. When talking about the actual liquid value of a magic card (easiest and most efficient conversion between cards and cash), buylist prices are a better approximation than retail prices are, for most cards.
Note I have specifically avoided your inane hypothetical about "when someone posts asking what their Tarmogoyf is worth" since that isn't a question that is answered without context.
I've given you the context: that's all they say. They provide nothing else. They are no different from a typical question that's posted in Mark Street Cafe hundreds of times.
Worth what? Worth in terms of "must turn into cash now"? Worth in terms of "trading for other MTG staples"? Worth in terms of "what is the max cash I can get for this if I'm a patient seller"? Perhaps you might realize that your attempt to try to answer disparate questions with a single numerical short-cut is shoddy and simplistic.
It's not shoddy nor simplistic, because people have agreed upon a shorthand meaning of the phrase. And that meaning is a number representing what a typical seller can reasonably get of it at a typical place, without any considerations as to fees, trade, patience, buylist, etc. The want, in other words, the "retail value".
When talking about the actual liquid value of a magic card (easiest and most efficient conversion between cards and cash), buylist prices are a better approximation than retail prices are, for most cards.
Except no one uses this "efficient conversation" to answer the question I posed. When someone posts asking what their Tarmogoyf is worth, no one answers with the SCG buylist value, nor engages in a long series of caveats listing various values for various possible buyers. They give a simple price, usually in a range, that covers the expected value of the card if you sold it to another individual, be it via TCG, eBay, or some other market.
You're free to answer with the buylist price if you wish, but you're also free to be ignored. I've exposed your reasoning and now people will know when you give such answers your definition is not the same as most people's and can be disregarded.
I've given you the context: that's all they say. They provide nothing else. They are no different from a typical question that's posted in Mark Street Cafe hundreds of times.
It's not shoddy nor simplistic, because people have agreed upon a shorthand meaning of the phrase. And that meaning is a number representing what a typical seller can reasonably get of it at a typical place, without any considerations as to fees, trade, patience, buylist, etc. The want, in other words, the "retail value".
Except no one uses this "efficient conversation" to answer the question I posed. When someone posts asking what their Tarmogoyf is worth, no one answers with the SCG buylist value, nor engages in a long series of caveats listing various values for various possible buyers. They give a simple price, usually in a range, that covers the expected value of the card if you sold it to another individual, be it via TCG, eBay, or some other market.
You're free to answer with the buylist price if you wish, but you're also free to be ignored. I've exposed your reasoning and now people will know when you give such answers your definition is not the same as most people's and can be disregarded.
I don't understand why you're so unhappy with what he said. Buylist prices are a more accurate indicator of what you can sell the card for, and it inherently better captures the dynamics of "trading up". You will never get someone to trade you a $150 Jace (TCG mid) for a thousand $0.15 cards (TCG mid), but you can probably find a decent number of people who will give you a $100 Jace (buylist price) for a thousand bulk rares (buylist price at $0.10 ea).
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I don't understand why you're so unhappy with what he said.
Because it's honestly not the answer people are looking for when they ask the question how much something is worth. Have you ever seen a post here where someone asked for a value for a Black Lotus and someone quoted them the SCG Buylist price? And weren't taken to task for it?
Tell me, is your NM MM Tarmogoyf worth only $80? Or would you say it's worth more than that? Anyone here want to raise their hand and say it's worth only $80? Anyone? I'll offer you $85 for it; that's a good deal for you, yes?
It's all about context. $85 could well be a good deal if the seller's not interested in the hassle of eBay or trying to track down a buyer. Answering with any specific price in response to that question is suspect because a Tarmogoyf is going to net you different amounts depending on the work you're willing to do to get rid of it, what you're getting in return, etc.
All Balrog's trying to say is that if you're looking at valuation for a trade, buylists can be a good alternative since it factors in liquidity for you rather than having to worry about whether you're trading up or down.
So tell me this, is my Collective Blessing worth $1? I'll offer you 150 of them for your Tarmogoyf. That's a good deal for you, yes?
I don't understand why you're so unhappy with what he said. Buylist prices are a more accurate indicator of what you can sell the card for, and it inherently better captures the dynamics of "trading up". You will never get someone to trade you a $150 Jace (TCG mid) for a thousand $0.15 cards (TCG mid), but you can probably find a decent number of people who will give you a $100 Jace (buylist price) for a thousand bulk rares (buylist price at $0.10 ea).
I am slightly confused about this, basicly its the same price (1000 bulk rares for 1 jace) it doesn't really matter HOW you value them as its still 1000 bulk rares for 1 jace...
Are people really that dumb though? If I got offered that... I would say "okay... take the cards you want and I'm throwing out the rest." No way in heck I'm having someone subtract value off the collection for the bulk stuff. Especially since it's not like magic cards are tough to dispose of as compared to something like say an old cathode ray TV. The bulk should just be an added bonus the guy gets for buying the collection that he could make a profit on potentially (or throw out himself). There are enough times that obscure old card spikes in price that I think you shouldn't be charging people for that...
Yeah, I understand where the buyer is coming from on this, but to me bulk is opportunity. 99% of it is going to stink, but there are usually plenty of dollar uncommons or even a bunch of junk rares thrown in those boxes to make back my buy price easily ($3 per thousand, same as SCG.) Worst case is that the bulk can just be sold to another dealer for their bulk price.
The biggest cost with bulk is time and space. I need space to store it, and I need time to sift through it.
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I am slightly confused about this, basicly its the same price (1000 bulk rares for 1 jace) it doesn't really matter HOW you value them as its still 1000 bulk rares for 1 jace...
Those bulk rares individually probably go anywhere from $0.20 to a few bucks on TCG, but obviously, most people would have an extremely difficult time selling them.
Edit: conversely the $0.15 TCG-mid pile would likely consist of many commons and uncommons that no one wants and would get bulked at $5 per 1000 cards if you're lucky.
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Answering with any specific price in response to that question is suspect because a Tarmogoyf is going to net you different amounts depending on the work you're willing to do to get rid of it, what you're getting in return, etc.
It's not suspect, because it happens on this forum all the time, and no one has any problem with it, and no one pipes in on the Black Lotus threads saying, "Hey, you guys are all wrong; that card is only worth the SCG buy price because the guy might be too lazy to sell it on eBay! Herpdy Derpy!"
All Balrog's trying to say is that if you're looking at valuation for a trade, buylists can be a good alternative since it factors in liquidity for you rather than having to worry about whether you're trading up or down.
Then you're not paying attention to the conversation, because when I said "When someone says, "That's a $50 card", they don't mean, "That's a $50 card plus the cost of gas driving to the store, buying the stamp and the envelope, the card sleeves, the eBay listing fee, the PayPal fee, the wage value of the time lost actually listing the item in your browser, the electricity consumed, etc." Balrog said, "Actually, that's exactly what is meant, and those factors are always included when evaluating cards." and then went on to say "If you look at store buylist prices instead of just the retail prices, they reflect this very well."
So, please, don't jump into a discussion if you don't know the context.
So tell me this, is my Collective Blessing worth $1? I'll offer you 150 of them for your Tarmogoyf. That's a good deal for you, yes?
It says right there it's more worth more like $0.25 - $0.30. But if you meant some different $1 card, no it's not a good deal for me, but that's only because it's card for card, not card for cash. The question is, would I buy 150 $1 cards from you for only $100? Well, if I were trading, absolutely, but I don't need 150 $1 cards. Would I trade a $4 card for 4 $1 cards that I did need? Absolutely. Now, if we're talking about me buying them for resale, then no I'm not going to give you $100 for them, because I have margins to maintain. BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THE CARD IS NOT WORTH $1. It means I'll only pay you $0.25 each for them because I need to turn a profit. But I wouldn't pay you $4 for 4 of them either if I'm gonna resell for the same reason. It has nothing to do with quantity, and quantity does not change the value of the individual card.
Different sources will reflect different values for a card. Ebay will be different than tcgplayer, which will be different than SCG which will often be different from an LGS.
Different circumstances for the people involved will also affect value. Buying to keep, buying to re-sell (short or long term), trading things you don't need for things you do, Trading up or trading down. Selling to maximize profit, selling to minimize time.
Oftentimes in order to properly answer someone who requests to know the value of a card, a group of cards, or a sealed box, one must know the circumstances and preferred method of valuation to be able to not only give them a potential value (Whether average, low end, high end, potential variation, etc), but also a proper recommendation for that individual person's circumstance.
What people are willing to pay/give to acquire certain cards, or groups of cards, will depend upon a combination of their circumstances and the variety of potentially accepted values for the cards involved.
(This is an overall commentary not directed at anyone or anyone else's statements, please do not interpret it as such.)
Wouldn't it also just be easier to explain where you are getting the price from? Instead of having an argument over who's opinion is more "righter" than the other?
Wouldn't it also just be easier to explain where you are getting the price from? Instead of having an argument over who's opinion is more "righter" than the other?
Good call on pissing match. SirBruce makes some fine points but his aggression of how he is always right ends up being circular with him just saying you are wrong constantly. Some stores use different pricing for buying and selling or take the average cost among pricing sites. Remember when we used to use Scry? When I value a card for $ pricing, it is about what a cash offer will be accepted. Now pricing is about the time of day, recent event, nearest event, and what is limited in stock. You would think that's normal but it is being applied to everything from mythic to common. Thus when I ask to purchase a V. clique for $35; it is values think that is fair me and the seller. Anything more in asking price is really to satisfy demand, use, and popularity.
If the cream of your collection consists of the cards you listed, you will be lucky to get 1000 dollars for your collection.
LOL. 100K. LMAO.
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Seeing people get offered 10% of what they think their collection is worth is a sobering experience. Doubly so is how difficult it can be to squeeze a reasonable amount of profit out of that purchased collection.
That guy has got to be a troll. That's just so off the wall unrealistic, it can't possibly be a serious opinion.
If i had a measly $2000, i could buy the jace, tarmogoyf, fetches, and other "great cards" and spent the other $1000 on buying SCGs 100K packages with 1000 rares, 5000 uncommons and 100K cards.
cradle is right, you'd be lucky to get $1000 for your collection.
While I agree his numbers are way off... there is a valid point in there that you guys might be misunderstanding... that is that if you added up all his cards value from TCGP then his collection value is WAAAAY higher than what he can actually get for it all.
Don't want to beat a dead horse though as FieryBalrog has hit the point quite well.
Are people really that dumb though? If I got offered that... I would say "okay... take the cards you want and I'm throwing out the rest." No way in heck I'm having someone subtract value off the collection for the bulk stuff. Especially since it's not like magic cards are tough to dispose of as compared to something like say an old cathode ray TV. The bulk should just be an added bonus the guy gets for buying the collection that he could make a profit on potentially (or throw out himself). There are enough times that obscure old card spikes in price that I think you shouldn't be charging people for that...
Saw a collection with a lot of the cards i have sell for 4k on ebay. With less total overall cards. Numbers arent that far off.
Look at the $6k price. For one Jaces you take off .20 and add 149.90. For 10 kitchen finks you add you take off $1 and add $50.20
So now it is $6348.20 and thats only translating 12 cards to tcg pricing. I know the others translate lower and slower. But it adds up quickly.
Using the mid price for tcg it would be $12160 (saying avg card price is .19)
64000 cards pricing for 100k would be saying your avg card is $1.50.
You must be trolling, but in case people actually believe what you're saying...
A $100k collection is absurd. Even people who have entire playsets of the best staples (ABU duals, onslaught fetches, zendikar fetches, jaces, goyfs, bobs, FoWs, etc.) aren't anywhere close to $100k.
An average of $1.50 on 64,000 cards in incredibly hard to reach. For every $100 card, you have thousands that are worth fractions of a penny.
Remember that guy who had his collection stolen recently that contained japanese foils, beta power, beta duals, misprints, etc.? Someone priced out the notables and not even that was $100k (iirc, it was around ~$70k).
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Can you even grok the difference between what a $4000 collection and a $100,000 collection looks like?
Unless there are no irrelevant commons, no irrelevant uncommons, no bulk rares... it's HARD to get to an average card value of $1.50.
More of then than not, when I'm putting together my trade binder I'll drop my inclusion price to $1, just because there are LOTS of heavily played and highly useful EDH cards that just barely scrape a dollar or a dollar and a half, and they're sitting on all kinds of "staples of this color/color combination" list.
I wouldn't be shocked to see a figure that said most local gaming stores don't carry a stock of singles that are worth $100,000.
NEVER once did I say i could sell it for 100k I said it was probably about 100k on tcg values. Read my actual post please. I said $6k~
Even using TCG High or Star City retail pricing, I don't see how $6k turns to $100k.
Saying TCG pricing on everything some nothing would be worth a fraction of a cent.
For that guy you are talking about notiable part of his collection was 70k. So what would the rest be worth on TCG pricing? $500k if someone would actually pay for it (assuming he has alot more and didnt throw out all "cheap" cards). I said in my first post I could probably sell for 6k to the right buyer.
So when someone posts asking what their Tarmogoyf is worth, you're going to tell them $80, not $120, since that's what the buylist liquid price is worth? If so, I hope no one ever listens to you.
Aside from making an academic point, what's the purpose of trying to establish such a ridiculous valuation? I mean, let's go by your collection:
64000 cards valued at an average value of $1.50 per card. That means that you are valuing every 15 cards (i.e. a booster pack)
at 15 * 1.50 at a whopping $22.50.
In other words, if I dipped my hands into your golden collection, and randomly draw 15 cards, then on average, the value of those 15 cards is worth $22.50. By comparison, Modern masters boosters go for about $10 each on ebay.
box is $250 @ 24 boosters a box.
I don't know what purpose you're stating with figuring a 100k tcgplayer valuation. But its so unrealistic, it's a moot point.
Like I said, the average price of a modern card is by my calculations 70 cents and its not like every modern booster box even contains $250 worth of cards.
Or put another way, if we turned your collection into booster boxes, they would each be worth $810 each.
So every random 540 cards we pulled from your collection (thats a booster box worth of cards)
would be worth slightly more than 9 boxes of return to ravnica at 89.99.
Trading using buylist prices is actually perfectly fair as long as both parties are using them. When people trade using retail prices, they very sensibly use concepts like "trading up/down" and "trading staples" to avoid doing stuff like trading a $120 retail tarmogoyf for the pile of $3 cards listed under their "Wants". If they are willing to "trade down", they ask for a (often large) margin on the trade to compensate. This functionally approximates, in many ways, trading using buylist values.
Note I have specifically avoided your inane hypothetical about "when someone posts asking what their Tarmogoyf is worth" since that isn't a question that is answered without context. Worth what? Worth in terms of "must turn into cash now"? Worth in terms of "trading for other MTG staples"? Worth in terms of "what is the max cash I can get for this if I'm a patient seller"? Perhaps you might realize that your attempt to try to answer disparate questions with a single numerical short-cut is shoddy and simplistic. When talking about the actual liquid value of a magic card (easiest and most efficient conversion between cards and cash), buylist prices are a better approximation than retail prices are, for most cards.
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Perhaps, but irrelevant to what's at issue here.
I've given you the context: that's all they say. They provide nothing else. They are no different from a typical question that's posted in Mark Street Cafe hundreds of times.
It's not shoddy nor simplistic, because people have agreed upon a shorthand meaning of the phrase. And that meaning is a number representing what a typical seller can reasonably get of it at a typical place, without any considerations as to fees, trade, patience, buylist, etc. The want, in other words, the "retail value".
Except no one uses this "efficient conversation" to answer the question I posed. When someone posts asking what their Tarmogoyf is worth, no one answers with the SCG buylist value, nor engages in a long series of caveats listing various values for various possible buyers. They give a simple price, usually in a range, that covers the expected value of the card if you sold it to another individual, be it via TCG, eBay, or some other market.
You're free to answer with the buylist price if you wish, but you're also free to be ignored. I've exposed your reasoning and now people will know when you give such answers your definition is not the same as most people's and can be disregarded.
I don't understand why you're so unhappy with what he said. Buylist prices are a more accurate indicator of what you can sell the card for, and it inherently better captures the dynamics of "trading up". You will never get someone to trade you a $150 Jace (TCG mid) for a thousand $0.15 cards (TCG mid), but you can probably find a decent number of people who will give you a $100 Jace (buylist price) for a thousand bulk rares (buylist price at $0.10 ea).
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Tell me, is your NM MM Tarmogoyf worth only $80? Or would you say it's worth more than that? Anyone here want to raise their hand and say it's worth only $80? Anyone? I'll offer you $85 for it; that's a good deal for you, yes?
All Balrog's trying to say is that if you're looking at valuation for a trade, buylists can be a good alternative since it factors in liquidity for you rather than having to worry about whether you're trading up or down.
So tell me this, is my Collective Blessing worth $1? I'll offer you 150 of them for your Tarmogoyf. That's a good deal for you, yes?
I am slightly confused about this, basicly its the same price (1000 bulk rares for 1 jace) it doesn't really matter HOW you value them as its still 1000 bulk rares for 1 jace...
Yeah, I understand where the buyer is coming from on this, but to me bulk is opportunity. 99% of it is going to stink, but there are usually plenty of dollar uncommons or even a bunch of junk rares thrown in those boxes to make back my buy price easily ($3 per thousand, same as SCG.) Worst case is that the bulk can just be sold to another dealer for their bulk price.
The biggest cost with bulk is time and space. I need space to store it, and I need time to sift through it.
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Those bulk rares individually probably go anywhere from $0.20 to a few bucks on TCG, but obviously, most people would have an extremely difficult time selling them.
Edit: conversely the $0.15 TCG-mid pile would likely consist of many commons and uncommons that no one wants and would get bulked at $5 per 1000 cards if you're lucky.
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Junk PodMagic: the BuylistingIt could be, but it would be the wrong answer the the question.
It's not suspect, because it happens on this forum all the time, and no one has any problem with it, and no one pipes in on the Black Lotus threads saying, "Hey, you guys are all wrong; that card is only worth the SCG buy price because the guy might be too lazy to sell it on eBay! Herpdy Derpy!"
Then you're not paying attention to the conversation, because when I said "When someone says, "That's a $50 card", they don't mean, "That's a $50 card plus the cost of gas driving to the store, buying the stamp and the envelope, the card sleeves, the eBay listing fee, the PayPal fee, the wage value of the time lost actually listing the item in your browser, the electricity consumed, etc." Balrog said, "Actually, that's exactly what is meant, and those factors are always included when evaluating cards." and then went on to say "If you look at store buylist prices instead of just the retail prices, they reflect this very well."
So, please, don't jump into a discussion if you don't know the context.
It says right there it's more worth more like $0.25 - $0.30. But if you meant some different $1 card, no it's not a good deal for me, but that's only because it's card for card, not card for cash. The question is, would I buy 150 $1 cards from you for only $100? Well, if I were trading, absolutely, but I don't need 150 $1 cards. Would I trade a $4 card for 4 $1 cards that I did need? Absolutely. Now, if we're talking about me buying them for resale, then no I'm not going to give you $100 for them, because I have margins to maintain. BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THE CARD IS NOT WORTH $1. It means I'll only pay you $0.25 each for them because I need to turn a profit. But I wouldn't pay you $4 for 4 of them either if I'm gonna resell for the same reason. It has nothing to do with quantity, and quantity does not change the value of the individual card.
Different circumstances for the people involved will also affect value. Buying to keep, buying to re-sell (short or long term), trading things you don't need for things you do, Trading up or trading down. Selling to maximize profit, selling to minimize time.
Oftentimes in order to properly answer someone who requests to know the value of a card, a group of cards, or a sealed box, one must know the circumstances and preferred method of valuation to be able to not only give them a potential value (Whether average, low end, high end, potential variation, etc), but also a proper recommendation for that individual person's circumstance.
What people are willing to pay/give to acquire certain cards, or groups of cards, will depend upon a combination of their circumstances and the variety of potentially accepted values for the cards involved.
(This is an overall commentary not directed at anyone or anyone else's statements, please do not interpret it as such.)
Good call on pissing match. SirBruce makes some fine points but his aggression of how he is always right ends up being circular with him just saying you are wrong constantly. Some stores use different pricing for buying and selling or take the average cost among pricing sites. Remember when we used to use Scry? When I value a card for $ pricing, it is about what a cash offer will be accepted. Now pricing is about the time of day, recent event, nearest event, and what is limited in stock. You would think that's normal but it is being applied to everything from mythic to common. Thus when I ask to purchase a V. clique for $35; it is values think that is fair me and the seller. Anything more in asking price is really to satisfy demand, use, and popularity.
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