Have you thought of using Mutilate as a board wipe at all?
Funny you should ask, actually. Great card. I used to have one and traded it away, but I just put it back on my shopping list for this deck, it's going to go in with the new set changes (along with Crypt Ghast). I'll probably go ahead and update the decklist in the next couple days, I've been finishing off the changes to all my decks (time consuming).
Funny you should ask, actually. Great card. I used to have one and traded it away, but I just put it back on my shopping list for this deck, it's going to go in with the new set changes (along with Crypt Ghast). I'll probably go ahead and update the decklist in the next couple days, I've been finishing off the changes to all my decks (time consuming).
So here's my go at this deck. Let me know your opinions. I also didn't include Karn or Xiahou Dun for budget reasons.
So here's my go at this deck. Let me know your opinions. I also didn't include Karn or Xiahou Dun for budget reasons
Looks fine to me, man. Only card I'm wondering about is Geralf's Messenger. Doesn't seem like there's a lot of options to abuse him. Let me know if I'm missing an interaction. Nim Deathmantle plus Ashnod's Altar with him is a table kill.
Made my changes for the new set:
Swamp out for Thespian's Stage - I figure this is a no-brainer to copy Coffers.
Corpse Dance out for Necromancy - I wasn't getting a ton of abuse off of the dance like I do in my other decks. Necro gives me more options.
Necrotic Ooze out for..... Fellwar Stone. Ooze is amazing, but I'm getting tired of him and want more cheap mana ramp. He'll probably go back in at some point.
Geralf's in there because he's my favorite card haha. I always try to find a way for him in any of my black decks. I honestly thought I had Ashnod's in there. I'll definitely have to put that back in. I also never even thought about Thespian's stage for whatever reason.
Here's my list, still not posting a thread on it because I feel it's still not powerful enough yet. It's semi-budget, since all the expensive cards came from earlier decks, or suddenly jumped in price (I'm looking at you, Karn).
Comments? I'm trying to go for flavorful black with function instead of goodstuff-black. Liliana's in there because she's my favorite PW and MUST be in every black decks I make.
Not that I don't like them, I use them in other decks, although Necro always makes me nervous. Tutor I didn't want to shell out the extra money, Damnation will probably go in if I decide to add another sweeper.
This deck seems like a combo deck with Extra win con with commander damage.
I just got interested by mono color commanders recently and I found this thread.
I feel like lots of stuffs can be replaced since last reply.
You definately runs Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx in most of mono-color commanders now. It's another infinite mana combo piece now. Gray Merchant of Asphodel is definately in your deck as well. Kokusho, the Evening Star should replace Sorin Markov. Sorin just not do much in my opinion. He can put someone in danger right the way but nothing else after that. Since you had payed so much life to draw cards, some life gain seems reasonable.
Also, I would not play Spine of Ish Sah because it cost too much and you don't really have a sac outlet to get it back.
Compares to Bloodgift Demon,Graveborn Muse is a better card because you have potential to draw more if you play cards like Grave Titan, Fleshbag Marauder, Helldozer and some other good zombies.
Some heavy creature base black deck would run Disciple of Bolas but your deck does not have that many creatures. If you run creature cards I suggested, Disciple is going to be a good choice.
I think you can just switch your commander to Xiahou Dun, the One-Eyed maybe?
You can just get all your black cards in your graveyard once you have infinite mana.
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Funny you should ask, actually. Great card. I used to have one and traded it away, but I just put it back on my shopping list for this deck, it's going to go in with the new set changes (along with Crypt Ghast). I'll probably go ahead and update the decklist in the next couple days, I've been finishing off the changes to all my decks (time consuming).
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EDH Math
EDH Decks:
Ghost Council: The Magic Mafia of Orzhova
BB Drana: Down with the Sickness
Rasputin: Reality is Broken
Vish Kal Bleeder: Bloody Kisses
Teysa, Orzhov Dominatrix
Stonebrow: Breaking Things
BWR Kaalia Punisher: Heaven's on Fire
Grimgrin: Dead Reckoning
So here's my go at this deck. Let me know your opinions. I also didn't include Karn or Xiahou Dun for budget reasons.
1x Bloodgift Demon
1x Butcher of Malakir
1x Crypt Ghast
1x Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief
1x Fleshbag Marauder
1x Geralf's Messenger
1x Geth, Lord of the Vault
1x Grave Titan
1x Maga, Traitor to Mortals
1x Massacre Wurm
1x Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
1x Nirkana Revenant
1x Phyrexian Obliterator
1x Rune-Scarred Demon
1x Sheoldred, Whispering One
1x Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
1x Vampire Nighthawk
1x Wurmcoil Engine
Enchantment (4)
1x Exquisite Blood
1x Grave Betrayal
1x Phyrexian Arena
1x Sanguine Bond
Artifact (16)
1x Basalt Monolith
1x Caged Sun
1x Darksteel Ingot
1x Expedition Map
1x Gauntlet of Power
1x Gilded Lotus
1x Lashwrithe
1x Nevinyrral's Disk
1x Nightmare Lash
1x Nim Deathmantle
1x Oblivion Stone
1x Pithing Needle
1x Sol Ring
1x Spine of Ish Sah
1x Strata Scythe
1x Whispersilk Cloak
1x Corpse Dance
1x Diabolic Edict
1x Go for the Throat
1x Hatred
1x Murder
Planeswalker (2)
1x Liliana of the Dark Realms
1x Sorin Markov
Sorcery (15)
1x Beacon of Unrest
1x Beseech the Queen
1x Black Sun's Zenith
1x Consume Spirit
1x Demonic Tutor
1x Duress
1x Exsanguinate
1x Grim Discovery
1x Life's Finale
1x Mutilate
1x Profane Command
1x Promise of Power
1x Sign in Blood
1x Syphon Mind
1x Yawgmoth's Will
Land (40)
1x Barren Moor
1x Boseiju, Who Shelters All
1x Cabal Coffers
1x Deserted Temple
1x Ghost Quarter
1x Petrified Field
1x Phyrexian Tower
1x Reliquary Tower
1x Strip Mine
30x Swamp
1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
Looks fine to me, man. Only card I'm wondering about is Geralf's Messenger. Doesn't seem like there's a lot of options to abuse him. Let me know if I'm missing an interaction. Nim Deathmantle plus Ashnod's Altar with him is a table kill.
Made my changes for the new set:
Swamp out for Thespian's Stage - I figure this is a no-brainer to copy Coffers.
Gauntlet of Power out for Crypt Ghast - Gauntlets was my least favorite doubler. Never really liked it.
Diabolic Edict out for Mutilate
Corpse Dance out for Necromancy - I wasn't getting a ton of abuse off of the dance like I do in my other decks. Necro gives me more options.
Necrotic Ooze out for..... Fellwar Stone. Ooze is amazing, but I'm getting tired of him and want more cheap mana ramp. He'll probably go back in at some point.
Banner by Nakamura, Thanks!
EDH Math
EDH Decks:
Ghost Council: The Magic Mafia of Orzhova
BB Drana: Down with the Sickness
Rasputin: Reality is Broken
Vish Kal Bleeder: Bloody Kisses
Teysa, Orzhov Dominatrix
Stonebrow: Breaking Things
BWR Kaalia Punisher: Heaven's on Fire
Grimgrin: Dead Reckoning
1x Abyssal Persecutor
1x Avatar of Woe
1x Blood Artist
1x Bloodgift Demon
1x Butcher of Malakir
1x Crypt Ghast
1x Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief
1x Graveborn Muse
1x Helldozer
1x Massacre Wurm
1x Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
1x Nantuko Shade
1x Nirkana Revenant
1x Ob Nixilis, the Fallen
1x Pestilence Demon
1x Rune-Scarred Demon
1x Sheoldred, Whispering One
1x Shriekmaw
1x Skinrender
1x Solemn Simulacrum
1x Steel Hellkite
1x Visara the Dreadful
1x Wurmcoil Engine
1x Xathrid Gorgon
1x Basalt Monolith
1x Caged Sun
1x Expedition Map
1x Gauntlet of Power
1x Gilded Lotus
1x Grim Monolith
1x Lashwrithe
1x Mana Vault
1x Nim Deathmantle
1x Oblivion Stone
1x Rings of Brighthearth
1x Sensei's Divining Top
1x Sol Ring
1x Spine of Ish Sah
1x Staff of Nin
1x Thran Dynamo
1x Animate Dead
1x Dance of the Dead
1x Enslave
1x Phyrexian Arena
Instant (1)
1x Diabolic Edict
Sorcery (13)
1x All Is Dust
1x Beacon of Unrest
1x Black Sun's Zenith
1x Consume Spirit
1x Damnation
1x Decree of Pain
1x Demonic Tutor
1x Exsanguinate
1x Increasing Ambition
1x Life's Finale
1x Praetor's Grasp
1x Profane Command
1x Temporal Extortion
1x Bojuka Bog
1x Cabal Coffers
1x Evolving Wilds
33x Swamp
1x Terramorphic Expanse
1x Vesuva
Planeswalker (4)
1x Karn Liberated
1x Liliana of the Dark Realms
1x Liliana of the Veil
1x Liliana Vess
Comments? I'm trying to go for flavorful black with function instead of goodstuff-black. Liliana's in there because she's my favorite PW and MUST be in every black decks I make.
Also, what do you think of cards like Sensei's Divining Top and Scroll Rack in a big black deck like this?
Lastly (for now ), how about Phyrexia's Core to reuse Spine of Ish Sah?
That could be sweet. I don't like the thought of non-swamps much, but it would be a pretty cool little combo.
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EDH Math
EDH Decks:
Ghost Council: The Magic Mafia of Orzhova
BB Drana: Down with the Sickness
Rasputin: Reality is Broken
Vish Kal Bleeder: Bloody Kisses
Teysa, Orzhov Dominatrix
Stonebrow: Breaking Things
BWR Kaalia Punisher: Heaven's on Fire
Grimgrin: Dead Reckoning
The Spine of Ish Sah can be readily reused with Priest of Yawgmoth, though I am not certain he would have any other value in the deck.
I just got interested by mono color commanders recently and I found this thread.
I feel like lots of stuffs can be replaced since last reply.
You definately runs Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx in most of mono-color commanders now. It's another infinite mana combo piece now.
Gray Merchant of Asphodel is definately in your deck as well.
Kokusho, the Evening Star should replace Sorin Markov. Sorin just not do much in my opinion. He can put someone in danger right the way but nothing else after that. Since you had payed so much life to draw cards, some life gain seems reasonable.
Also, I would not play Spine of Ish Sah because it cost too much and you don't really have a sac outlet to get it back.
Compares to Bloodgift Demon,Graveborn Muse is a better card because you have potential to draw more if you play cards like Grave Titan, Fleshbag Marauder, Helldozer and some other good zombies.
Some heavy creature base black deck would run Disciple of Bolas but your deck does not have that many creatures. If you run creature cards I suggested, Disciple is going to be a good choice.
I think you can just switch your commander to Xiahou Dun, the One-Eyed maybe?
You can just get all your black cards in your graveyard once you have infinite mana.