Suggestion: Try Modern. I'm a Modern player because Standard rotation annoys me. Modern allows for more diversity in decks, in my humble opinion, and also there's a lot of budget options. Modern is also a hell of a lot of fun.
But yeah, to hell with Standard and expiration dates on decks.
Standard is just a never ending money pit. You could spend 400-500 a year on a deck that will lose most of its value in two years, or you can get a 4x of a ABU Dual land of your choice. For people who have the start up cash and the play group, eternal formats are the obvious choice. Once you have a legacy or EDH deck the upkeep cost per year is less $100 on average and in some cases 0.
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Random Opponent: Playing against 12 Post Feels like trying to win in Yugioh with no super secret rares.
Standard is just a never ending money pit. You could spend 400-500 a year on a deck that will lose most of its value in two years, or you can get a 4x of a ABU Dual land of your choice. For people who have the start up cash and the play group, eternal formats are the obvious choice. Once you have a legacy or EDH deck the upkeep cost per year is less $100 on average and in some cases 0.
Any upkeep you have to pay for new good cards being printed are offset by the fact that you cards are constantly increasing in value.
About 2 years ago I bought playsets of the Jund Dual lands (taiga, bayou, badlands) and since they have increased respectively from 30$, 40$, 30$, to 50$, 70$, 45$. That's almost a 100% increase in just 2 years! Other staples have increased dramatically too. Since I bought them, a bob playset has increased by 400%, all of my onslaught and zen fetches by at least 200%, etc.
I stoped to play mtg while ago and i want to come back (sold my old card).
I know standard cost a lot of money and i hate the expiration date on card.
So
I was thinking of Legacy, then i remember i had to buy dual land and other realy expansive card.
So
I was thiking of Modern, just the middle between them, however, we can see the price of stuff like Tarmogoyf 110$ or Thoughtseize, 60$ Dark Confidant 60$ while Wotc seem to not care that much about price (limited Modern Masters).
I stoped to play mtg while ago and i want to come back (sold my old card).
I know standard cost a lot of money and i hate the expiration date on card.
So
I was thinking of Legacy, then i remember i had to buy dual land and other realy expansive card.
So
I was thiking of Modern, just the middle between them, however, we can see the price of stuff like Tarmogoyf 110$ or Thoughtseize, 60$ Dark Confidant 60$ while Wotc seem to not care that much about price (limited Modern Masters).
With all that i feel lost.
EDH may be your answer if there is a playgroup in your area. For less then $300 you can have a fun deck that never rotates. You can also add better cards as you go along.
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I am not sure what that last part means. You do realise that rotation only happens once a year, and everything from the block and core set that is rotating leaves the format on exactly the same day? Cards from the first set in a block do not rotate sooner than cards from the second set, or from the third set.
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That's how I knew the OP had played in one of the very first Type II tournaments--Type II (now known as Standard) only rotated one set at a time for about a year or two after it was created. It hasn't done what he described since some time during Mirage block.
Standard is just a never ending money pit. You could spend 400-500 a year on a deck that will lose most of its value in two years, or you can get a 4x of a ABU Dual land of your choice.
You're ignoring the fact that I can't play any Magic at all if all I have is four dual lands. Why do I care if my collection is appreciating if I can't actually use any of it?
I've played magic since Innistrad.
I only play online (MTGO).
I play modern and a bit of Pauper.
Never touched Legacy.
I don't love combo or counterspells.
Sell me on legacy from an outsider's perspective?
Legacy is like a super Modern in that the diversity is way up there. People may say that Legacy is dying and that's debatable as no one actually has real proof that it's going either way, other than the limited card pool for the physical cards. Because of the power level of cards in Legacy, many fringe decks can win and do well much more so than in Modern.
The only down side is I don't know how the Legacy scene is on MTGO due to the amount of cards that have never been released digitally. I know they've done a few Masters sets as a way to try to put some Legacy cards into digital circulation, but that's as far as my knowledge goes (I don't play MTGO because I enjoy the social interaction and all the things tied into real life Magic events and play groups, and I don't like spending money on cards I can't use physically).
Anyway, my admittedly lackluster knowledge of MTGO aside, Legacy has some of the craziest, funnest decks out there and despite how many people complain about the price of cards, you can get into it fairly cheap if you're up for playing the right decks (or you can accept being a bit less efficient, ie. supplementing the original duel lands with Shocklands from Ravnica/RTR).
One of the things I do love about the format is that you get to make use of so many cards that aren't available to you in Modern, and that in itself is why it's such a diverse format. Other formats are limited in their brewing capabilities because of the card pool cap and people trying to build the most efficient decks with that limit, whereas Legacy can have spinoffs of archetypes and then spinoffs of spinoffs.
There's a lot more room to customize a deck to fit your playstyle rather than having to settle for something you might not like playing because it's the best way to be competitive in Modern. Legacy definitely has defined archetypes, but so many are viable and there's so much room for customization and variations that it's hard to get bored of the format.
I like some of the legacy decks but I cannot play the same deck more than twice before I change it for another. This puts playing competetive legacy way out of my price range as spending over 1k a deck is not an option. Playing the same deck over and over again would just bore me.
If you're playing by formats at all instead of just casually, trying to have multiple decks in any format is going to be expensive. Modern and Legacy both have decks that do decently at the cheaper end of the spectrum (Jon Finkel proved that Storm is still a viable deck in Modern, for example). Meanwhile Standard is a snooze fest of 70% of decks using the same cards where you can't most of the cards will rotate out and become worthless afterwards.
Most people don't give Legacy credit for something, though, and that's how well budget versions of a deck can do and stand up against fully tricked out decks. When my Pox build was running as a budge version, the most expensive card in the deck was Liliana of the Veil, which I managed to snag at $15 ea. during a lull in her presence across the formats. The land base? Was completely Swamps, and I was't running Thoughtseize.
I still managed to defeat both Zoo and Goblins (when Zoo was the huge thing, to boot). Over time I've upgraded it and slowly added cards to it to improve it. I've never done terribly with the deck at any point, so it's an extra bit of fun watching it improve as I can afford to add more expensive stuff to it. Some day I pray I find a damaged Nether Void so I can afford one But I'll live without it.
Burn is another example if a deck that doesn't require a lot of investment. Affinity is fun, and it also doesn't cost more than most Standard or Modern decks. But the point is: You can't afford to budget in Modern or Standard or you get rolled over, and that isn't the case with Legacy. If anything, you should be able to have more Legacy decks because you have the option of playing without fetchlands or dual lands, for example. You won't be as efficient, but you still have enough options open to you that such as Shocklands (especially now that they're so cheap compared to the past).
But even then, guess what? Mono-colored decks are viable in Legacy so if you don't want to splurge on any form of duals, then play a mono-colored deck. Anyone could really fit into Legacy and make it work for them if they wanted to and they just did the research. Most people that shoot Legacy down honestly just don't know enough about it to make a real judgment call one way or the other.
I've played magic since Innistrad.
I only play online (MTGO).
I play modern and a bit of Pauper.
Never touched Legacy.
I don't love combo or counterspells.
Sell me on legacy from an outsider's perspective?
Current Legacy player here. I formerly used to only play Standard, and I have also dabbled in Modern.
The biggest benefit of Legacy is the stability. As you've seen in Modern, WotC is scared of decks dominating, and they've been banhammering pretty harshly lately. Legacy on the other hand, has been having the opposite effect with cards being unbanned. The last true bannings we had was 2010 when Mystic Tutor and then later Survival got banned (I don't count Mental Misstep in 2011 since it got banned in every format but Vintage). The last banning before that was Time Vault back in 2008.
Since we have such a massive card pool to work with, decks never get truly too powerful. When one deck becomes the top deck, people simply switch over to decks with a better matchup against it, which in turn causes people to switch to decks with a better matchup against that deck, etc. Basically, what I'm saying is it's very rare for the meta to get stale. So while you currently probably hear a lot of complaining about Show 'n Tell, it's not the end of the world deck, and if you simply wait a few months the meta will likely have shifted over to a new deck.
Legacy isn't just a format of insane control decks and combo decks (though they definitely are abundant). Mono Red Burn is a great deck (especially due to the very low cost) that can snatch up wins against other decks less prepared for it. Goblins and Fish (Merfolk) have both gotten pretty beefy boosts thanks to Cavern of Souls. Jund even has made a random splash recently with the release of Deathrite Shaman and Abrupt Decay (though the shift seems to be now into BUG which can be a midrange aggro or control deck).
Lastly, though I know the prices on MTGO are much different than paper, the best part about Legacy is the investment stability. As much as I hate to admit it, MTG is definitely an investment. And what drove me away from standard is absolutely what the OP said: I got sick of having to make sure I sold off cards before rotation or before they fell out of favor and tanked in price. That does not happen with Legacy. Unless a card gets banned, card prices are extremely steady, and should you decide to cash out of Legacy, more likely than not you'll either make back all of your money or even come out ahead of the game. Yes there are exceptions and some cards do drop if something gets printed that's strictly better, but overall it's extremely hard to take a loss on value with Legacy.
I've played magic since Innistrad.
I only play online (MTGO).
I play modern and a bit of Pauper.
Never touched Legacy.
I don't love combo or counterspells.
Sell me on legacy from an outsider's perspective?
Surly you've noticed that with Modern, there's been constant Ban list changes? Have you felt the sting of those banns? Then you may want to take your toys over to Legacy where the format can adapt before it has to ban.
Don't love counterspells or combos? That's fine, perhaps you'd rather aggro out in a format where tribal Goblins, and the Zoo are competitive decks?
Maybe you want to play some control? May I interest you in countespell-less control decks like [url=http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=342919]Stoneblade[/url], [url=http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=148066]Stax[/card], [url=http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=288614]Or a deck mostly made of the land itself?[/url]
Basically in Legacy you can run any deck, any time, and have a chance.
So the question is, is there a strategy you didn't feel was competitive for modern or standard? Because if you want to unleash your full deck-building prowess you need to move to Legacy.
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What's the big deal? You could have played multiple Righteous Avengers for years now.
You're ignoring the fact that I can't play any Magic at all if all I have is four dual lands. Why do I care if my collection is appreciating if I can't actually use any of it?
I did not, the following sentence stated that it was for people who could afford it."For people who have the start up cash and the play group, eternal formats are the obvious choice."
If you only have $400 budget you start with mono color deck and every year or so you start to splash a color until you get to the deck you want.
Budget Merfolk->Merfolk->UR Delver -> RUG
Suicide Black ->W/B Stone Blade -> Esper Stoneblade
Suicide Black -> Eva Green -> Jund
Budget Athens Blue-> Athens Blue->U/W Control
Mon red Steak Attack-> Sneak and Show
Budget Storm -> TES/ANT/Tinfins
And of course, there is always the threat that your opponent can do something with no lands untapped, which makes the mental part of legacy so much more entertaining.
And of course, there is always the threat that your opponent can do something with no lands untapped, which makes the mental part of legacy so much more entertaining.
That's actually one of the few things I do find irritating about the format. I'm accustomed to playing control and playing against control, thus fishing for answers so I can use their possible responses up and play the stuff I need to without being disrupted. Them appearing to have no resources and still being able to counter or respond is frustrating and feels like it defeats the purpose of resources in the game.
Rotation annoys me, too. I picked EDH rather than Legacy, mostly because it's easier for my friends to build up a playable EDH deck than it would be for them to build up a playable Legacy deck.
I had a couple Legacy decks before moving to EDH, but my friends were basically playing standard, and I'd completely roll over them, even with decks that weren't tournament-tier, like a home-brewed Kobold Storm combo deck.
That's actually one of the few things I do find irritating about the format. I'm accustomed to playing control and playing against control, thus fishing for answers so I can use their possible responses up and play the stuff I need to without being disrupted. Them appearing to have no resources and still being able to counter or respond is frustrating and feels like it defeats the purpose of resources in the game.
Nah, I love it. And certain out of colour possibilities like Mana Tithe just give you the factor.
Its funny, back when I was playing Vintage, I almost always had a force of will in my hand, along with a Serendib Effreet or something to toss out with it, but, I rarely see them deployed in Legacy.
Rotation annoys me, too. I picked EDH rather than Legacy, mostly because it's easier for my friends to build up a playable EDH deck than it would be for them to build up a playable Legacy deck.
I had a couple Legacy decks before moving to EDH, but my friends were basically playing standard, and I'd completely roll over them, even with decks that weren't tournament-tier, like a home-brewed Kobold Storm combo deck.
I can't argue with you there, but, my friends prefer straight legacy, because their card pools are older.
But, they rarely go to tournaments. I'm the only staple tournament goer left.
I can't argue with you there, but, my friends prefer straight legacy, because their card pools are older.
But, they rarely go to tournaments. I'm the only staple tournament goer left.
Outside of my EDH league, I've got 3 friends that I play with regularly. Prior to getting into EDH, they pretty much had:
- Ravnica block cards and Standard cards
- Kamigawa block cards and Standard cards
- Alara block commons and uncommons and Standard cards
The guy with the Kamigawa cards has a younger brother (mentally handicapped) who joins us on occasion, whose decks are by and large built for him. His brother knows what he likes, so he enjoys the decks, but it's not like he's building stuff out of a collection of his own. Kamigawa guy's parents have a lot of older cards... but his parents basically sell a piece of Power to get quick cash for birthday/Christmas presents, rather than playing with them or giving the cards to the kids.
After getting into EDH, all three of them have bought or traded for some singles from older sets to supplement their decks, but I'm still the one with the most old cards.
I essentially have two groups of friends. One group plays Standard only and the other group plays Legacy mostly and maybe other formats besides. So if I want to see both groups of friends, which I do, I have to play Standard and Legacy though I prefer Legacy.
Standard rotation doesn't really bother me except for the hit my wallet takes. But the new decks are nice for a change. I just wish I could afford this game like I used to. But the economy sucks, business has been not so great and therefor, disposable income isn't what it used to be.
Outside of my EDH league, I've got 3 friends that I play with regularly. Prior to getting into EDH, they pretty much had:
- Ravnica block cards and Standard cards
- Kamigawa block cards and Standard cards
- Alara block commons and uncommons and Standard cards
The guy with the Kamigawa cards has a younger brother (mentally handicapped) who joins us on occasion, whose decks are by and large built for him. His brother knows what he likes, so he enjoys the decks, but it's not like he's building stuff out of a collection of his own. Kamigawa guy's parents have a lot of older cards... but his parents basically sell a piece of Power to get quick cash for birthday/Christmas presents, rather than playing with them or giving the cards to the kids.
After getting into EDH, all three of them have bought or traded for some singles from older sets to supplement their decks, but I'm still the one with the most old cards.
My old playgroup had cards that would probably make you cry. :lol:
Beta Birds, dual lands out the whazoo, moxes, I even had an Ancestral Recall until 2003.
I got rid of almost all my power, except for a mox, because I decided to run Legacy instead of Vintage.
But, I find its interesting to build new Vintage decks. You can model them after standard decks, or archetypes, or anything, and there is nothing stopping you from dropping in a Brown Ouphe just for kicks.
Hell, its impossible to build a Standard Squirrel deck, but, they keep printing Squirrel tokens! (and its a hell of a lot of fun attacking with a bloodlusted berserked forked giant growthed squirrel)
With the modern format replacing Extended, I've wondered what would happen of Standard adopted the legacy format. Yeah, there would still be a yearly rotation, but it wouldn't be half the cards rotating out.
If you aren't into anything more competitive than FNM's, Standard can be dirt cheap. I've been running a 50 dollar mono-black list that has gone 3-1 the last three weeks in a row. If your deck is unexpected, you can do well, even if it wouldn't do so well at a bigger tournament.
If you aren't into anything more competitive than FNM's, Standard can be dirt cheap. I've been running a 50 dollar mono-black list that has gone 3-1 the last three weeks in a row. If your deck is unexpected, you can do well, even if it wouldn't do so well at a bigger tournament.
I agree with you in principle, but, playing mono black without dark ritual just feels odd to me, after having them around since 1994 (when I started)
With the modern format replacing Extended, I've wondered what would happen of Standard adopted the legacy format. Yeah, there would still be a yearly rotation, but it wouldn't be half the cards rotating out.
There are too many local places that will still run Legacy.
They'll run FNM as a draft, or standard, but, for anything serious, they will run Legacy.
But yeah, to hell with Standard and expiration dates on decks.
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Any upkeep you have to pay for new good cards being printed are offset by the fact that you cards are constantly increasing in value.
About 2 years ago I bought playsets of the Jund Dual lands (taiga, bayou, badlands) and since they have increased respectively from 30$, 40$, 30$, to 50$, 70$, 45$. That's almost a 100% increase in just 2 years! Other staples have increased dramatically too. Since I bought them, a bob playset has increased by 400%, all of my onslaught and zen fetches by at least 200%, etc.
I know standard cost a lot of money and i hate the expiration date on card.
So
I was thinking of Legacy, then i remember i had to buy dual land and other realy expansive card.
So
I was thiking of Modern, just the middle between them, however, we can see the price of stuff like Tarmogoyf 110$ or Thoughtseize, 60$ Dark Confidant 60$ while Wotc seem to not care that much about price (limited Modern Masters).
With all that i feel lost.
EDH may be your answer if there is a playgroup in your area. For less then $300 you can have a fun deck that never rotates. You can also add better cards as you go along.
That's how I knew the OP had played in one of the very first Type II tournaments--Type II (now known as Standard) only rotated one set at a time for about a year or two after it was created. It hasn't done what he described since some time during Mirage block.
You're ignoring the fact that I can't play any Magic at all if all I have is four dual lands. Why do I care if my collection is appreciating if I can't actually use any of it?
I've played magic since Innistrad.
I only play online (MTGO).
I play modern and a bit of Pauper.
Never touched Legacy.
I don't love combo or counterspells.
Sell me on legacy from an outsider's perspective?
Legacy is like a super Modern in that the diversity is way up there. People may say that Legacy is dying and that's debatable as no one actually has real proof that it's going either way, other than the limited card pool for the physical cards. Because of the power level of cards in Legacy, many fringe decks can win and do well much more so than in Modern.
The only down side is I don't know how the Legacy scene is on MTGO due to the amount of cards that have never been released digitally. I know they've done a few Masters sets as a way to try to put some Legacy cards into digital circulation, but that's as far as my knowledge goes (I don't play MTGO because I enjoy the social interaction and all the things tied into real life Magic events and play groups, and I don't like spending money on cards I can't use physically).
Anyway, my admittedly lackluster knowledge of MTGO aside, Legacy has some of the craziest, funnest decks out there and despite how many people complain about the price of cards, you can get into it fairly cheap if you're up for playing the right decks (or you can accept being a bit less efficient, ie. supplementing the original duel lands with Shocklands from Ravnica/RTR).
One of the things I do love about the format is that you get to make use of so many cards that aren't available to you in Modern, and that in itself is why it's such a diverse format. Other formats are limited in their brewing capabilities because of the card pool cap and people trying to build the most efficient decks with that limit, whereas Legacy can have spinoffs of archetypes and then spinoffs of spinoffs.
There's a lot more room to customize a deck to fit your playstyle rather than having to settle for something you might not like playing because it's the best way to be competitive in Modern. Legacy definitely has defined archetypes, but so many are viable and there's so much room for customization and variations that it's hard to get bored of the format.
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If you're playing by formats at all instead of just casually, trying to have multiple decks in any format is going to be expensive. Modern and Legacy both have decks that do decently at the cheaper end of the spectrum (Jon Finkel proved that Storm is still a viable deck in Modern, for example). Meanwhile Standard is a snooze fest of 70% of decks using the same cards where you can't most of the cards will rotate out and become worthless afterwards.
Most people don't give Legacy credit for something, though, and that's how well budget versions of a deck can do and stand up against fully tricked out decks. When my Pox build was running as a budge version, the most expensive card in the deck was Liliana of the Veil, which I managed to snag at $15 ea. during a lull in her presence across the formats. The land base? Was completely Swamps, and I was't running Thoughtseize.
I still managed to defeat both Zoo and Goblins (when Zoo was the huge thing, to boot). Over time I've upgraded it and slowly added cards to it to improve it. I've never done terribly with the deck at any point, so it's an extra bit of fun watching it improve as I can afford to add more expensive stuff to it. Some day I pray I find a damaged Nether Void so I can afford one But I'll live without it.
Burn is another example if a deck that doesn't require a lot of investment. Affinity is fun, and it also doesn't cost more than most Standard or Modern decks. But the point is: You can't afford to budget in Modern or Standard or you get rolled over, and that isn't the case with Legacy. If anything, you should be able to have more Legacy decks because you have the option of playing without fetchlands or dual lands, for example. You won't be as efficient, but you still have enough options open to you that such as Shocklands (especially now that they're so cheap compared to the past).
But even then, guess what? Mono-colored decks are viable in Legacy so if you don't want to splurge on any form of duals, then play a mono-colored deck. Anyone could really fit into Legacy and make it work for them if they wanted to and they just did the research. Most people that shoot Legacy down honestly just don't know enough about it to make a real judgment call one way or the other.
(Also known as Xenphire)
Current Legacy player here. I formerly used to only play Standard, and I have also dabbled in Modern.
The biggest benefit of Legacy is the stability. As you've seen in Modern, WotC is scared of decks dominating, and they've been banhammering pretty harshly lately. Legacy on the other hand, has been having the opposite effect with cards being unbanned. The last true bannings we had was 2010 when Mystic Tutor and then later Survival got banned (I don't count Mental Misstep in 2011 since it got banned in every format but Vintage). The last banning before that was Time Vault back in 2008.
Since we have such a massive card pool to work with, decks never get truly too powerful. When one deck becomes the top deck, people simply switch over to decks with a better matchup against it, which in turn causes people to switch to decks with a better matchup against that deck, etc. Basically, what I'm saying is it's very rare for the meta to get stale. So while you currently probably hear a lot of complaining about Show 'n Tell, it's not the end of the world deck, and if you simply wait a few months the meta will likely have shifted over to a new deck.
Legacy isn't just a format of insane control decks and combo decks (though they definitely are abundant). Mono Red Burn is a great deck (especially due to the very low cost) that can snatch up wins against other decks less prepared for it. Goblins and Fish (Merfolk) have both gotten pretty beefy boosts thanks to Cavern of Souls. Jund even has made a random splash recently with the release of Deathrite Shaman and Abrupt Decay (though the shift seems to be now into BUG which can be a midrange aggro or control deck).
Lastly, though I know the prices on MTGO are much different than paper, the best part about Legacy is the investment stability. As much as I hate to admit it, MTG is definitely an investment. And what drove me away from standard is absolutely what the OP said: I got sick of having to make sure I sold off cards before rotation or before they fell out of favor and tanked in price. That does not happen with Legacy. Unless a card gets banned, card prices are extremely steady, and should you decide to cash out of Legacy, more likely than not you'll either make back all of your money or even come out ahead of the game. Yes there are exceptions and some cards do drop if something gets printed that's strictly better, but overall it's extremely hard to take a loss on value with Legacy.
Surly you've noticed that with Modern, there's been constant Ban list changes? Have you felt the sting of those banns? Then you may want to take your toys over to Legacy where the format can adapt before it has to ban.
Don't love counterspells or combos? That's fine, perhaps you'd rather aggro out in a format where tribal Goblins, and the Zoo are competitive decks?
Maybe you want to play some control? May I interest you in countespell-less control decks like [url=http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=342919]Stoneblade[/url], [url=http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=148066]Stax[/card], [url=http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=288614]Or a deck mostly made of the land itself?[/url]
Basically in Legacy you can run any deck, any time, and have a chance.
So the question is, is there a strategy you didn't feel was competitive for modern or standard? Because if you want to unleash your full deck-building prowess you need to move to Legacy.
I did not, the following sentence stated that it was for people who could afford it."For people who have the start up cash and the play group, eternal formats are the obvious choice."
If you only have $400 budget you start with mono color deck and every year or so you start to splash a color until you get to the deck you want.
Budget Merfolk->Merfolk->UR Delver -> RUG
Suicide Black ->W/B Stone Blade -> Esper Stoneblade
Suicide Black -> Eva Green -> Jund
Budget Athens Blue-> Athens Blue->U/W Control
Mon red Steak Attack-> Sneak and Show
Budget Storm -> TES/ANT/Tinfins
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That's actually one of the few things I do find irritating about the format. I'm accustomed to playing control and playing against control, thus fishing for answers so I can use their possible responses up and play the stuff I need to without being disrupted. Them appearing to have no resources and still being able to counter or respond is frustrating and feels like it defeats the purpose of resources in the game.
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I had a couple Legacy decks before moving to EDH, but my friends were basically playing standard, and I'd completely roll over them, even with decks that weren't tournament-tier, like a home-brewed Kobold Storm combo deck.
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Nah, I love it. And certain out of colour possibilities like Mana Tithe just give you the factor.
Its funny, back when I was playing Vintage, I almost always had a force of will in my hand, along with a Serendib Effreet or something to toss out with it, but, I rarely see them deployed in Legacy.
I can't argue with you there, but, my friends prefer straight legacy, because their card pools are older.
But, they rarely go to tournaments. I'm the only staple tournament goer left.
Outside of my EDH league, I've got 3 friends that I play with regularly. Prior to getting into EDH, they pretty much had:
- Ravnica block cards and Standard cards
- Kamigawa block cards and Standard cards
- Alara block commons and uncommons and Standard cards
The guy with the Kamigawa cards has a younger brother (mentally handicapped) who joins us on occasion, whose decks are by and large built for him. His brother knows what he likes, so he enjoys the decks, but it's not like he's building stuff out of a collection of his own. Kamigawa guy's parents have a lot of older cards... but his parents basically sell a piece of Power to get quick cash for birthday/Christmas presents, rather than playing with them or giving the cards to the kids.
After getting into EDH, all three of them have bought or traded for some singles from older sets to supplement their decks, but I'm still the one with the most old cards.
Two Score, Minus Two or: A Stargate Tail
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Standard rotation doesn't really bother me except for the hit my wallet takes. But the new decks are nice for a change. I just wish I could afford this game like I used to. But the economy sucks, business has been not so great and therefor, disposable income isn't what it used to be.
My old playgroup had cards that would probably make you cry. :lol:
Beta Birds, dual lands out the whazoo, moxes, I even had an Ancestral Recall until 2003.
I got rid of almost all my power, except for a mox, because I decided to run Legacy instead of Vintage.
But, I find its interesting to build new Vintage decks. You can model them after standard decks, or archetypes, or anything, and there is nothing stopping you from dropping in a Brown Ouphe just for kicks.
Hell, its impossible to build a Standard Squirrel deck, but, they keep printing Squirrel tokens! (and its a hell of a lot of fun attacking with a bloodlusted berserked forked giant growthed squirrel)
I agree with you in principle, but, playing mono black without dark ritual just feels odd to me, after having them around since 1994 (when I started)
There are too many local places that will still run Legacy.
They'll run FNM as a draft, or standard, but, for anything serious, they will run Legacy.