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A soldier lost all of his limbs following an explosion. He has now undergone a double arm transplant. He is not using prostetic arms. They are arms from a deceased donor. If the body accepts these arms, then he will have his arms back, probably limited function but who knows.
this is fantastic. men and women in the military definitely deserve priority in these kinds of treatments. I hope that by continuing to perform such transplants, technology reaches a level where we can grow a new arm from a living person's DNA.
this is fantastic. men and women in the military definitely deserve priority in these kinds of treatments. I hope that by continuing to perform such transplants, technology reaches a level where we can grow a new arm from a living person's DNA.
That's not really related to transplants, but it is being worked on. We're not very close though.
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That's not really related to transplants, but it is being worked on. We're not very close though.
Depends on which part - some parts were almost there a decade ago when I lost touch with a friend in such research. Additionally I recall Nova covering an article on lungs being almost there as well.
Depends on which part - some parts were almost there a decade ago when I lost touch with a friend in such research. Additionally I recall Nova covering an article on lungs being almost there as well.
Oh limbs aren't likely to come from that route, it's more likely going to be from regeneration.
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this is fantastic. men and women in the military definitely deserve priority in these kinds of treatments. I hope that by continuing to perform such transplants, technology reaches a level where we can grow a new arm from a living person's DNA.
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WOAAAHH I entirely disagree. In no way should they receive priority. Being a human that was at war does not make you into more of a human than not being there.
In fact I think the people who should receive priority (if any) would be people who are hard to replace. Neurosurgeons (then again, depends if they can use the arms to the degree they could before) and others. It's kinda sad, but soldiers are a bit expendable...*
*Not as in you throw them away, but come on, you are put in one of the most dangerous places in the world. I don't know if there are ways to make it safer for them now than the conditions they actually experience.
Oh limbs aren't likely to come from that route, it's more likely going to be from regeneration.
Gotcha your statement didn't read as limb exclusive. (Although last I'd heard vital organs were still looking impossible - part of why the Nova like 8-10 yrs later sticks so much - although iirc the Nova mentioned lungs were the only success for major organs yet and spoke of failures with doing hearts)
Cause they choose to serve? Essentially they are putting their life on the line instead of yours.
And the kids, well I'm sure the vietcong were totally innocent. But they should get treatment too, they are innocent victims (And not just kids, but other civvies who've had parts blown off by wars.)
Just because they decided the take part in the primitive act of "war" doesn't mean they deserve priority over any other person. There's no logic behind that line of thinking.
Why should they get priority over someone who lost their limbs in a car accident? Why should their quality of life take priority?
Just because they decided the take part in the primitive act of "war" doesn't mean they deserve priority over any other person. There's no logic behind that line of thinking.
Why should they get priority over someone who lost their limbs in a car accident? Why should their quality of life take priority?
*cues up My country tis of thee* Because, they are HEROES!
In all seriousness, I have no issue with Military personal receiving preferential treatment with regard to experimental procedures. If the procedure becomes common place, then no, they shouldn't get preferential treatment.
*cues up My country tis of thee* Because, they are HEROES!
In all seriousness, I have no issue with Military personal receiving preferential treatment with regard to experimental procedures. If the procedure becomes common place, then no, they shouldn't get preferential treatment.
I totally have an issue with it, I really fail to see how giving a soldier his arms back would be better for the world than giving a neurosurgeon who lost his in a car accident.
Just because they decided the take part in the primitive act of "war" doesn't mean they deserve priority over any other person. There's no logic behind that line of thinking.
Why should they get priority over someone who lost their limbs in a car accident? Why should their quality of life take priority?
Just warning you, inviting this argument isn't going to lead to where a WCT thread wants to be lmao. this is a very deep and convoluted argument with very little basis in anything other than subjective opinion, and it's also one i always found difficult to avoid arguing about.
Soldiers do deserve priority in my personal opinion. Life is life that much is true but some people earn their bacon more than others. They already get priority on a whole mess of other things so it only follows logically that they would recieve a piority in this.
Though if we can get down pat the art of cloning our limbs/organs and such then there won't need to be "priority" and we can just do it.
Cause they choose to serve? Essentially they are putting their life on the line instead of yours.
And the kids, well I'm sure the vietcong were totally innocent. But they should get treatment too, they are innocent victims (And not just kids, but other civvies who've had parts blown off by wars.)
So what about the non-civilians, aka their soldiers?
I don't want new real arms...I want new robot arms!
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Transplanting "real" arms comes with a big cost, actually, because so far these kinds of transplants are just non-usable limbs with no sensation and no capacity. Whereas, if the patient had committed to prosthetic limbs, they would probably get a considerable amount of function out of them.
Maybe one day these transplants will become useful, but at the moment, it is a dubious accomplishment, imo.
because so far these kinds of transplants are just non-usable limbs with no sensation and no capacity. Whereas, if the patient had committed to prosthetic limbs, they would probably get a considerable amount of function out of them.
However he still has to watch his diet and his lifestyle to make sure his limbs won't fall off. This has been the topic of my class in psych program last week... "don't follow the strict regiment like don't smoke and attend physical therapy, say goodbye to your new arms."
As for the pills, he'll be taking them for life or risk slow rejection. I've learned that even if they reattached his own arms, the body will consider them as foreign object. Weird...
not sure where you get your information from but it is not correct.
I got my info from PBS show about transplanting limbs. You got your info from the surgeon at this patient's hospital. I should hope he would be optimistic, but maybe not impartial, hmm?
However he still has to watch his diet and his lifestyle to make sure his limbs won't fall off... "don't follow the strict regiment like don't smoke and attend physical therapy, say goodbye to your new arms."...
Sounds right.
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A soldier lost all of his limbs following an explosion. He has now undergone a double arm transplant. He is not using prostetic arms. They are arms from a deceased donor. If the body accepts these arms, then he will have his arms back, probably limited function but who knows.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21248988
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=1o8DpJHA6Oc&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D1o8DpJHA6Oc
I think this is insanely awesome. I hope for him and SCIENCE his body accepts the new arms.
I wonder if he's going to go for a leg transplant too...
http://m.cbsnews.com/storysynopsis.rbml?pageType=eveningNews&catid=57566545&feed_id=29
I think this article went into what they did, but its late and I kinda forgot...
oh brave new world
Depends on which part - some parts were almost there a decade ago when I lost touch with a friend in such research. Additionally I recall Nova covering an article on lungs being almost there as well.
Re: People misusing the term Vanilla to describe a flying, unleash (sometimes trample) critter.
WOAAAHH I entirely disagree. In no way should they receive priority. Being a human that was at war does not make you into more of a human than not being there.
In fact I think the people who should receive priority (if any) would be people who are hard to replace. Neurosurgeons (then again, depends if they can use the arms to the degree they could before) and others. It's kinda sad, but soldiers are a bit expendable...*
*Not as in you throw them away, but come on, you are put in one of the most dangerous places in the world. I don't know if there are ways to make it safer for them now than the conditions they actually experience.
Gotcha your statement didn't read as limb exclusive. (Although last I'd heard vital organs were still looking impossible - part of why the Nova like 8-10 yrs later sticks so much - although iirc the Nova mentioned lungs were the only success for major organs yet and spoke of failures with doing hearts)
Re: People misusing the term Vanilla to describe a flying, unleash (sometimes trample) critter.
Just because they decided the take part in the primitive act of "war" doesn't mean they deserve priority over any other person. There's no logic behind that line of thinking.
Why should they get priority over someone who lost their limbs in a car accident? Why should their quality of life take priority?
*cues up My country tis of thee* Because, they are HEROES!
In all seriousness, I have no issue with Military personal receiving preferential treatment with regard to experimental procedures. If the procedure becomes common place, then no, they shouldn't get preferential treatment.
I totally have an issue with it, I really fail to see how giving a soldier his arms back would be better for the world than giving a neurosurgeon who lost his in a car accident.
I agree i think they should get a priorit for now with that type of procedure.
They risk much for little gain. the put themselves through extreme circumstances they should get perfered treatment.
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Just warning you, inviting this argument isn't going to lead to where a WCT thread wants to be lmao. this is a very deep and convoluted argument with very little basis in anything other than subjective opinion, and it's also one i always found difficult to avoid arguing about.
Though if we can get down pat the art of cloning our limbs/organs and such then there won't need to be "priority" and we can just do it.
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So what about the non-civilians, aka their soldiers?
Or is it just soldiers from your country?
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Maybe one day these transplants will become useful, but at the moment, it is a dubious accomplishment, imo.
J
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/breakthroughs/how-surgeons-performed-a-double-arm-transplant-15049888
not sure where you get your information from but it is not correct.
he already has feeling and some motor function. he can only get back to 80% but that is more than what he would have with a prosthetic.
as far as rejection. they have done a bone marrow transplant to help combat that. so far he is working out very well.
http://www.army.mil/article/95523/Double_arm_transplant_helps_Soldier_who_lost_limbs_in_Iraq/
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As for the pills, he'll be taking them for life or risk slow rejection. I've learned that even if they reattached his own arms, the body will consider them as foreign object. Weird...
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I got my info from PBS show about transplanting limbs. You got your info from the surgeon at this patient's hospital. I should hope he would be optimistic, but maybe not impartial, hmm?
Sounds right.
J