And about people accusing op that he should feel bad: really? What the guy was doing was borderline illegal and a complete violation of op's privacy. You are not simply allowed to tail someone to their home for no good reason, they could easily argue you mean harm.
"without good reason"
You answered your own question.
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Please explain how he forced the other guy to continue following him.
I concede that the elderly gentleman did not have to follow our OP and nothing impelled him to do so; but, by the same token, there's no sound or legitimate reason to - pardon the French - be a (self-described) "troll" or a dick.
You also waste time. Time that could be better spent doing whatever. How unthrifty.
And about people accusing op that he should feel bad: really? What the guy was doing was borderline illegal and a complete violation of op's privacy. You are not simply allowed to tail someone to their home for no good reason, they could easily argue you mean harm.
Yes, really. What kind of person would do such an absolutely and utterly heinous thing in light of a context similar to this? No good reason, eh? Thing is there is a good reason.
People like you are why I hated doing deliveries at my last job. No one ordering would ever give mention they are in a gated community so I would tailgate in for deliveries. Every once in a while some self-entitled ****er would stop my sinister plans of delivering sandwiches in a timely manner.
I'd be more inclined to be pissed at the person who called you, not the guy who could be protecting everyone else by his estimation.
I wouldn't have closed the gate ON him, but I'd have at least stopped my car. It's called piggybacking. It's a violation of other people's security if other people allow this to happen.
Sorry walking in a roped off area is not good reason, if someone pulled the same stunt on me I'd tell him to **** off. If he doesn't I'd call the cops, if I couldn't or they refuse to help I would make him **** off.
The only reason to know where I live is to pursue some agenda against me for whatever deluded reason. That is something I would like to nip in the bud ASAP.
Say the guy vandalizes op's apartment out of some deluded since of punishment? Yeah **** that.
On the topic of gated communities: they do very little to increase security and just frustrate people who were like me for the most part.
The OP is 31 years old according to his profile. Not some child or teen. What purpose or right does the old man have in knowing where he lives? So he could tell his parents?
What crime was committed by the OP? The old man decided it was his responsibility to bring the OP "to justice", but how would that end be served by knowing where he lived?
I would have told the old man stop following me or I'm calling the police.
redthirst is redthirst, fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse. He was the leader of the Fires of Salvation, the only clan I'm aware of to get modded off the forums so hard they made their own forums.
Degenerate? Sure. Loudmouth? You bet. Law abiding? No ****ing way.
If I am following your line of logic, Sen, stepping over a rope gave this man a right to stalk Fox, and then stalking him made Fox responsible for the man's well-being WHILE he was stalking him? I don't see how Fox endangered this man's health. He could have stopped this creepy game any time he wanted to.
If I am following your line of logic, Sen, stepping over a rope gave this man a right to stalk Fox, and then stalking him made Fox responsible for the man's well-being WHILE he was stalking him? I don't see how Fox endangered this man's health. He could have stopped this creepy game any time he wanted to.
This would be the case if it was some 30 year old guy.
I think if it's an elderly man in question, though, you take exception at some point. I'd say... 67 years. You have to accomadate for that a little bit.
I'd say OP would have been fine just politely apologizing and saying they wouldn't do it again.
The OP is 31 years old according to his profile. Not some child or teen. What purpose or right does the old man have in knowing where he lives? So he could tell his parents?
That would be completely creepy and far, far, far too paedo-ish (maybe I'm being cynical and it's the day and age, the culture, the times, or whatever).
I would have told the old man stop following me or I'm calling the police.
Such is what one would most likely do and probably ought to do in this situation; but, that is not what the OP has done though it was certainly could have done. The OP could have apologized for his transgression and made good; but, again, no. That wasn't the course of action taken.
Again, what's been done is deplorable and juvenile, and it's despicable that the OP humored the old bugger, who could potentially keel over and die from this exertion, and then was cruel, or excessively cruel, about it. This, to me, seems like bragging, which is just over-the-top.
More than one wrong does not make any number of rights; and, more than one can be wrong (hurrah? more than one can revel in the wrongness). Is this really that hard to comprehend? Must this be X v. Y, with one being wrong and the other being wrong?
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Finally after a while he's just huffing, puffing, and wheezing trying to climb the stairs. So I wait up at the top of the stairs and he bends over a bit before saying "I bet you think you're really funny don't you?"
I smiled and said, "No sir, I think you're really funny. Anyway, it's not this building - so lets go to the next"
Clearly, there is amply sums the situation, one that is so very wrong. Something is amiss with this picture; and, it is only human to see this. I rest my case.
This is not the same thing, I am not following them for any reason and if you truly see this as the same thing and are legitimately not trolling I still have nothing to say because you are clearly beyond rational explanation.
Old people are subject to the same laws as the rest of us. The OP certainly could have handled this better, but that would make for a less interesting story. This is basically a tale of two grown men acting like children, which I do find somewhat amusing.
This is not the same thing, I am not following them for any reason and if you truly see this as the same thing and are legitimately not trolling I still have nothing to say because you are clearly beyond rational explanation.
Because the only time you should be wary of people piggybacking you is when they tell you "I'm going to follow you home?"
I'm all for good faith, but that's silly. Gated old folks communities are gated so that they know who goes in and who goes out. It's a safeguard for people who have grown paranoid of theft and rape.
Because the only time you should be wary of people piggybacking you is when they tell you "I'm going to follow you home?"
I'm all for good faith, but that's silly. Gated old folks communities are gated so that they know who goes in and who goes out. It's a safeguard for people who have grown paranoid of theft and rape.
Again stated my opinion on the matter. There is also no conclusive evidence gated communities experience reduced crime with exception to ones in abnormally high crime areas.
Again stated my opinion on the matter. There is also no conclusive evidence gated communities experience reduced crime with exception to ones in abnormally high crime areas.
Therefore you should be allowed to tailgate into a gated community.
.... I'm afraid you have to explain it a bit better.
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This is not the same thing, I am not following them for any reason and if you truly see this as the same thing and are legitimately not trolling I still have nothing to say because you are clearly beyond rational explanation.
Sorry man, but what you said was way too close to Rick James' True Hollywood Story:
You can't just follow someone to where they live for no good reason... yeah I followed people to where they lived.
Your attitude is also hilarious: you state that you wouldn't allow someone to follow you home because they might mean you harm, but then state that you expect other people to allow you to follow them into where they live because they should know your intentions are benign.
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redthirst is redthirst, fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse. He was the leader of the Fires of Salvation, the only clan I'm aware of to get modded off the forums so hard they made their own forums.
Degenerate? Sure. Loudmouth? You bet. Law abiding? No ****ing way.
Sorry man, but what you said was way too close to Rick James' True Hollywood Story:
You can't just follow someone to where they live for no good reason... yeah I followed people to where they lived.
Your attitude is also hilarious: you state that you wouldn't allow someone to follow you home because they might mean you harm, but then state that you expect other people to allow you to follow them into where they live because they should know your intentions are benign.
Does seem like a contradiction, however, someone following you home on foot is a lot more invasive than following someone through a gate.
Both are wrong to do, however, the person stopping him underneath the drop bar and getting his car messed up learned that just because you might be right does not give you any particular authority to make bad decisions and cause damage to personal property.
The man's health wasn't endangered, not by me anyway. He smoked and that's bad for you. I didn't choose to make him follow me, he choose to do that all on his own.
Sure, I could have choose a different course of action, but then again so could he. Instead of yelling, cussing, and following me - he could have been polite and asked me not to cross the roped off area again.
He didn't, he chose to be a dick instead. I didn't make him do any of those things, instead I made him pay for the choices that he made himself. He didn't have to do any of the things he did. So no, I don't feel bad about the outcome.
When I say old, I don't mean he was some vulnerable age of 80+ or something, he was in his mid-late 50s.
Your attitude is also hilarious: you state that you wouldn't allow someone to follow you home because they might mean you harm, but then state that you expect other people to allow you to follow them into where they live because they should know your intentions are benign.
I'll admit I'd be much less suspicious if his car had a big Pizza Hut logo on top.
Most gated communities i know (which is a good bit) have some kind of onsite security. as for the guy visiting his parents the other person could have simply let him in and contacted security to check into it.
Delibertly causing damage to person property is a crime period. that is what the guy did to the car. he knew the gate would close on it and did it on purpose.
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Old people do strange things at times. I was in the mall one day and it hadn't opened i was getting a mothers day gift. There was this little old lady that was just power walking. he had to be in her 60's-70's. i mean she was flying down the walkway and she turned to go into a store that hadn't opened and she ran right into it. there were glass doors that were locked.
i think she knocked herself out for a bit she hit so hard. i felt for her but at the same time it was a bit funny.
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The man's health wasn't endangered, not by me anyway. He smoked and that's bad for you. I didn't choose to make him follow me, he choose to do that all on his own.
Sure, I could have choose a different course of action, but then again so could he. Instead of yelling, cussing, and following me - he could have been polite and asked me not to cross the roped off area again.
He didn't, he chose to be a dick instead. I didn't make him do any of those things, instead I made him pay for the choices that he made himself. He didn't have to do any of the things he did. So no, I don't feel bad about the outcome.
When I say old, I don't mean he was some vulnerable age of 80+ or something, he was in his mid-late 50s.
Noted.
I am interested in hearing out why you didn't do other things. Please, do apprise me or us via this thread or, if it makes you more comfortable (or is off-topic to this thread, considering the apparent shift towards matters of gated communities and, to some extent, armchair lawyering and such), personal message.
This might interest you but I think it's profoundly unfair that you should shift blame onto him for his tobacco habit - and, in my personal and professional life, while I appreciate all sides of things and the facts, I should be somewhat more understanding of smokers in real life (not that patients are in real life) and patients - or other things such as things he did and the fact that he didn't do other things.
English has the idiom 'people who live in glass houses...' or 'the pot calling the kettle black'. I mean no disrespect to you personally but I think one or both of these idioms are relevant to this.
In the future, should such an occasion arise again, what will your course of action be? What have learnt from this? I'm genuinely interested.
PS. That the man was in his mid-/late-50s does not exculpate you from whatever. At my work, I see the living - similarly aged - with severe cardiac conditions at the hospital and clinic and I also see the dead - similarly aged, again - dying from cardiac conditions, with the cause triggered by things such as this. I'd be a bit more considerate in the future; but, I am me and you are you, I guess.
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"without good reason"
You answered your own question.
Be aware of singing as if you were half dead,
or half asleep:
but lift your voice with strength.
Be no more afraid of your voice now,
nor more ashamed of its being heard,
than when you sang the songs of Satan.
I concede that the elderly gentleman did not have to follow our OP and nothing impelled him to do so; but, by the same token, there's no sound or legitimate reason to - pardon the French - be a (self-described) "troll" or a dick.
You also waste time. Time that could be better spent doing whatever. How unthrifty.
Yes, really. What kind of person would do such an absolutely and utterly heinous thing in light of a context similar to this? No good reason, eh? Thing is there is a good reason.
I'd be more inclined to be pissed at the person who called you, not the guy who could be protecting everyone else by his estimation.
I wouldn't have closed the gate ON him, but I'd have at least stopped my car. It's called piggybacking. It's a violation of other people's security if other people allow this to happen.
Sorry walking in a roped off area is not good reason, if someone pulled the same stunt on me I'd tell him to **** off. If he doesn't I'd call the cops, if I couldn't or they refuse to help I would make him **** off.
The only reason to know where I live is to pursue some agenda against me for whatever deluded reason. That is something I would like to nip in the bud ASAP.
Say the guy vandalizes op's apartment out of some deluded since of punishment? Yeah **** that.
On the topic of gated communities: they do very little to increase security and just frustrate people who were like me for the most part.
What crime was committed by the OP? The old man decided it was his responsibility to bring the OP "to justice", but how would that end be served by knowing where he lived?
I would have told the old man stop following me or I'm calling the police.
Agreed.
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This would be the case if it was some 30 year old guy.
I think if it's an elderly man in question, though, you take exception at some point. I'd say... 67 years. You have to accomadate for that a little bit.
I'd say OP would have been fine just politely apologizing and saying they wouldn't do it again.
Such is what one would most likely do and probably ought to do in this situation; but, that is not what the OP has done though it was certainly could have done. The OP could have apologized for his transgression and made good; but, again, no. That wasn't the course of action taken.
Again, what's been done is deplorable and juvenile, and it's despicable that the OP humored the old bugger, who could potentially keel over and die from this exertion, and then was cruel, or excessively cruel, about it. This, to me, seems like bragging, which is just over-the-top.
More than one wrong does not make any number of rights; and, more than one can be wrong (hurrah? more than one can revel in the wrongness). Is this really that hard to comprehend? Must this be X v. Y, with one being wrong and the other being wrong?
Clearly, there is amply sums the situation, one that is so very wrong. Something is amiss with this picture; and, it is only human to see this. I rest my case. That would be completely creepy and far, far, far too paedo-ish (maybe I'm being cynical and it's the day and age, the culture, the times, or whatever).
This is not the same thing, I am not following them for any reason and if you truly see this as the same thing and are legitimately not trolling I still have nothing to say because you are clearly beyond rational explanation.
Because the only time you should be wary of people piggybacking you is when they tell you "I'm going to follow you home?"
I'm all for good faith, but that's silly. Gated old folks communities are gated so that they know who goes in and who goes out. It's a safeguard for people who have grown paranoid of theft and rape.
Again stated my opinion on the matter. There is also no conclusive evidence gated communities experience reduced crime with exception to ones in abnormally high crime areas.
Therefore you should be allowed to tailgate into a gated community.
.... I'm afraid you have to explain it a bit better.
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Pizza is more important than old people.
Not anymore. Thanks for putting this idea in my head.
Sorry man, but what you said was way too close to Rick James' True Hollywood Story:
You can't just follow someone to where they live for no good reason... yeah I followed people to where they lived.
Your attitude is also hilarious: you state that you wouldn't allow someone to follow you home because they might mean you harm, but then state that you expect other people to allow you to follow them into where they live because they should know your intentions are benign.
—Jaya Ballard, task mage
Does seem like a contradiction, however, someone following you home on foot is a lot more invasive than following someone through a gate.
Both are wrong to do, however, the person stopping him underneath the drop bar and getting his car messed up learned that just because you might be right does not give you any particular authority to make bad decisions and cause damage to personal property.
The man's health wasn't endangered, not by me anyway. He smoked and that's bad for you. I didn't choose to make him follow me, he choose to do that all on his own.
Sure, I could have choose a different course of action, but then again so could he. Instead of yelling, cussing, and following me - he could have been polite and asked me not to cross the roped off area again.
He didn't, he chose to be a dick instead. I didn't make him do any of those things, instead I made him pay for the choices that he made himself. He didn't have to do any of the things he did. So no, I don't feel bad about the outcome.
When I say old, I don't mean he was some vulnerable age of 80+ or something, he was in his mid-late 50s.
I'll admit I'd be much less suspicious if his car had a big Pizza Hut logo on top.
Or at least if he was waving a hoagie around while screaming "I've got something for you!" out his car window.
Delibertly causing damage to person property is a crime period. that is what the guy did to the car. he knew the gate would close on it and did it on purpose.
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Old people do strange things at times. I was in the mall one day and it hadn't opened i was getting a mothers day gift. There was this little old lady that was just power walking. he had to be in her 60's-70's. i mean she was flying down the walkway and she turned to go into a store that hadn't opened and she ran right into it. there were glass doors that were locked.
i think she knocked herself out for a bit she hit so hard. i felt for her but at the same time it was a bit funny.
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Noted.
I am interested in hearing out why you didn't do other things. Please, do apprise me or us via this thread or, if it makes you more comfortable (or is off-topic to this thread, considering the apparent shift towards matters of gated communities and, to some extent, armchair lawyering and such), personal message.
This might interest you but I think it's profoundly unfair that you should shift blame onto him for his tobacco habit - and, in my personal and professional life, while I appreciate all sides of things and the facts, I should be somewhat more understanding of smokers in real life (not that patients are in real life) and patients - or other things such as things he did and the fact that he didn't do other things.
English has the idiom 'people who live in glass houses...' or 'the pot calling the kettle black'. I mean no disrespect to you personally but I think one or both of these idioms are relevant to this.
In the future, should such an occasion arise again, what will your course of action be? What have learnt from this? I'm genuinely interested.
PS. That the man was in his mid-/late-50s does not exculpate you from whatever. At my work, I see the living - similarly aged - with severe cardiac conditions at the hospital and clinic and I also see the dead - similarly aged, again - dying from cardiac conditions, with the cause triggered by things such as this. I'd be a bit more considerate in the future; but, I am me and you are you, I guess.