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Recently Marvel and been trying to Establish Green Hulk as the (naturally, no gadgets/eternity rings etc) strongers member of the Superhero Caste. If that holds, Rulk would be right behind him. What makes superman Even aViable opponent for the hulk its his other abilities- (Superspeed, Heat/Xray vision, Vibrating through walls? lol etc...)
Red Hulk= Weaker than the green hulk in terms of physical strength, but capable of fighting and thinking tactfully and On top of that, Pretty damn good at it- + the ability to grow ridiculously hot.
Superman- Superman, I dont read too heavily on the comics, so i dont know what abilities he has nowadays. Lets just assume the usual ones, or at leas the one most of the public knows. (Even though that would weaken his options signifigantly)
In several occasions, the Hulk has Wrecked (but never killed/Defeated) Superman. I think Rulk wins.
Supes has the speed, mobility and range advantages, but he's a boy scout. Superman is NOT going to blindside him and toss him into the sun, or roast him with heat vision from 1000 yards out.
Rulk however, is a smart, dirty infighter. He fights with a general's mindset. (hint hint) He will not hesitate to threaten/injure/kill innocents to get the fight to go his way. He'll know that Superman outclasses him powerwise and will adapt his strategy in order to beat him (or at least get him to make a critical mistake)[/quote]
Like pick people up and block his attacks with them! First thing I would do.
It's understandable blue control players would be shocked and in denial at the notion of this card, since their decks have been dominating multiple formats for an eternity yet they've curiously never once had to deal with any counter-hosers that weren't ineffectual, narrow CRAP.
BS, I take it you found this statement reasonable then? Bottom line: It makes more 'sense' here for the writers to kill Superman and bring him back, than for Superman to compromise his morals and commit murder.
In an alternate universe where the Red Hulk is a DC character, sure. In this universe, no. The chances of Superman deciding that he has to kill the Red Hulk are slim (especially given the nonlethal options he has available), but the chances of the Red Hulk killing Superman are zero.
The thing is that most of the posts I have seen here are ignoring that this is red hulk, a character with a unique power to absorb any energy and have that energy augment his strength as well, along with intelligence. Most of superman's powers that everyone is referencing would only augment the Red hulk due to his energy absorption.
Superman is basically a super solar battery. Rulk can literally absorb that energy from supes.
From how far away? Through what materials? What you're saying is akin to "Batman is basically meat. Rulk can literally squash him to goo": true, but disregarding a whole host of variables.
If the Red Hulk finds kryptonite, he can just throw it at Superman's head and Supes might* be in serious trouble. But that's a big "if"; kryptonite is the real wild card in this fight.
*Depending on whether he can move faster than the Red Hulk can throw. No real way of gauging this.
Attacking the Rulk will make him angry generating a great deal of heat which in turn becomes lethal to the beings of earth. Given that heat can be absorbed as an energy source than technically the Rulk is like the green hulk in his ability to grow more powerful the angrier he gets.
So can Superman. The scariest thing about the guy is that the limits on his power are mostly self-imposed.
Rulk wins against supes. Rulk is willing to do so many things as well as having the capability to do those things that supes can't. Phantom Zone would also fail against Rulk since he would be able to disperse the ray or even absorb it.
We have no idea how the Phantom Zone device works, much less whether the Red Hulk's powers extend to it. There are several forms of energy that we know the Red Hulk is not immune to - gravity, for starters, and that would be my first guess for what pulls targets through the wormhole into the Phantom Zone.
Also let's face it. Superman is an idiot. Just like the image of deadpool talking about common sense indicates.
Superman is supposed to be quite clever, if not Batman-level brilliant. The act of portraying this accurately is all too often beyond his writers, but canonically that's his character.
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while superman may be powerful, and the all-american boy scout, he has trouble dealing with a few things: we know of kryptonite and magic, though what red hulk possesses is the ability to absorb energy (even the power cosmic, which is supposedly the powerful element in the marvel universe), grow incredibly hot, though supes can tolerate even earth's yellow sun. though, like supes, hulk becomes more intelligent, and he won't stop at anything until he's victorious. i see all of those being in the hulk's favor in battle.
has everyone here forgotten about the events of Marvel Civil War? Hulk (Green, i know) is cast into a black hole. AND THEN COMES BACK OUT (World War Hulk).
I don't care what superman throws at the hulk, it won't exceed the power of a black hole. vote goes to Rulk (who most likely would have had an easier time getting out)
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has everyone here forgotten about the events of Marvel Civil War? Hulk (Green, i know) is cast into a black hole. AND THEN COMES BACK OUT (World War Hulk).
I don't care what superman throws at the hulk, it won't exceed the power of a black hole. vote goes to Rulk (who most likely would have had an easier time getting out)
What? Hulk was never thrown into a black hole. He got sent off in a space shuttle, which may not have gone as planned, but there was no black hole involved.
The "Illuminati" plot went awry when the SHIELD ship carrying the Hulk was pulled into the Great Portal, a wormhole created by the Shadow People of the planet Sakaar that brought beings and objects from around the universe to their world in hopes of helping the planet and its people.
Hulk was off-world for the entire civil war, he wasn't involved at all.
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A card game about Presidents. Stabbing each other. With knives.
In an alternate universe where the Red Hulk is a DC character, sure. In this universe, no. The chances of Superman deciding that he has to kill the Red Hulk are slim (especially given the nonlethal options he has available), but the chances of the Red Hulk killing Superman are zero.
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I don't agree with your math there. Superman was killed once before, he could be again.
Lets try to stay on topic.
Recently Marvel and been trying to Establish Green Hulk as the (naturally, no gadgets/eternity rings etc) strongers member of the Superhero Caste. If that holds, Rulk would be right behind him.
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I don't agree with your math there. Superman was killed once before, he could be again.
By a DC character. (And one written solely to kill him, at that.) The most iconic of all DC superheroes is not going to meet his end at the hands of a villain from DC's archrival. It'd be like letting Bizarro kill Spider-Man.
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By a DC character. (And one written solely to kill him, at that.) The most iconic of all DC superheroes is not going to meet his end at the hands of a villain from DC's archrival. It'd be like letting Bizarro kill Spider-Man.
This argument also works in reverse for superman TO murder someone. (number of story-lines with superman killing someone = number of story lines with superman dying)
This argument also works in reverse for superman TO murder someone. (number of story-lines with superman killing someone = number of story lines with superman dying)
Except that Superman's writers probably don't care if he kills a Marvel villain as much as they care that he isn't killed by a Marvel villain.
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Hu.. Well I have never read a comic with in it. I am a little skeptical of Wiki for this one, since it does not even name the heros, and has no citation. Comic Vine only has NY listed for Marvel.
I would not be surprised if it existed post Crisis, but I would be surprised if it existed after Crisis. (after a google search)Ah, no it seems wiki is right, NY showed up in 52. Fine, Fine.
But still does not mean it will be the 'Superman writers' writing it.
My standard answer to all these questions is Batman would win. Don't ask me how, but if two big super heros were fighting each other (and coleteral damage is what it would be) batman would step in to stop it.
But lets say batman doesn't step in.
Red Hulk should win, but editors would make superman win.
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But still does not mean it will be the 'Superman writers' writing it.
Now we are getting into corporate decisions. Who is to say Marvel would not walk before they let DC kill Rulk?
Superman is an iconic hero. The Red Hulk is not. Thus I place the probability of Marvel walking lower.
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What I don't get is that people are comparing the writers/companies as the embodiment of the versus and not the characters. This isn't superman writers vs red hulk writers. It's superman versus red hulk.
My point about the phantom zone device was that it requires some form of power or draws upon other energies to start a chain reaction to open the portal to send the beings into the zone. Since Rulk can absorb energy than there is a reasonable chance that he could interrupt the process and not get sent into the zone. There is also the possibility of the Rulk using the phantom zone device against supes and fighting him there away from earth's sun and supes power source.
My point about the phantom zone device was that it requires some form of power or draws upon other energies to start a chain reaction to open the portal to send the beings into the zone. Since Rulk can absorb energy than there is a reasonable chance that he could interrupt the process and not get sent into the zone. There is also the possibility of the Rulk using the phantom zone device against supes and fighting him there away from earth's sun and supes power source.
See? Hypotheticals. If the writers want the Red Hulk to win, he'll be able to thwart the Phantom Zone device. If they want Superman to win, he won't.
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Superman is an iconic hero. The Red Hulk is not. Thus I place the probability of Marvel walking lower.
But they have big plans for Rulk, and Superman could just come back to life.
Or, it could be a 'elsewords' story, like all but one crossover was, so it would not matter to DC or Marvel who killed who.
I think this is just illustrating why I find it better to compare abilities of the characters than talk about writer mindsets. If its writer X, Y would win. But that's more or less saying "well if X god lucky, he could win." Which does not make for an interesting debate, IMO.
But, it could just be a WhatIf, and not have to effect all of the comic universe.
I didn't know much about Red Hulk before reading this thread, and I'm still not sure I know much about him. He sounds like an incredibly stupid character - even more so than Superman actually. And that's saying something since Superman was pretty much at the top of my stupid characters list.
Anyway, if Red Hulk can absorb energy and part of his strength comes from making heat, then maybe Superman could just use his icy breath power to cool him off. Afterall, cold is the abscence of energy and a steady stream of it might be enough to weaken Red Hulk enough to be defeated.
But as all the hypotheticals flying around this thread show, how the fight ends depends entirely on how the writers decide it should end.
Yeah, but the same thing could be said about pretty much ALL of these fictional vs. threads. Every one of them could be answered by saying, "It just depends on the writers and how well they thought the story could sell." Don't get me wrong, I agree with your reasoning 100%, but I think that it is a rather pointless thing to discuss in that manner, because the answer is always the same.
Instead, these threads give us the chance to try to think like writers (and fanboys). If YOU were writing the story, what would happen and why? Answers to that question seem far more interesting and potentially varied than the single line answer above.
Dc lost the court case against the Siegel family so if they don't reach an agreement with dc by 2013 ( along time i know) they might just take him away.red hulk sucks big time , he is just a gimmick and superman is an immortal icon of comics , how can anyone even contemplate comparing a character that will be consigned to fan boy memory to one whose known even to those who don't buy comics.
So, your all that matters is which is better known?
It's understandable blue control players would be shocked and in denial at the notion of this card, since their decks have been dominating multiple formats for an eternity yet they've curiously never once had to deal with any counter-hosers that weren't ineffectual, narrow CRAP.
Recently Marvel and been trying to Establish Green Hulk as the (naturally, no gadgets/eternity rings etc) strongers member of the Superhero Caste. If that holds, Rulk would be right behind him. What makes superman Even aViable opponent for the hulk its his other abilities- (Superspeed, Heat/Xray vision, Vibrating through walls? lol etc...)
Red Hulk= Weaker than the green hulk in terms of physical strength, but capable of fighting and thinking tactfully and On top of that, Pretty damn good at it- + the ability to grow ridiculously hot.
Superman- Superman, I dont read too heavily on the comics, so i dont know what abilities he has nowadays. Lets just assume the usual ones, or at leas the one most of the public knows. (Even though that would weaken his options signifigantly)
In several occasions, the Hulk has Wrecked (but never killed/Defeated) Superman. I think Rulk wins.
Supes has the speed, mobility and range advantages, but he's a boy scout. Superman is NOT going to blindside him and toss him into the sun, or roast him with heat vision from 1000 yards out.
Rulk however, is a smart, dirty infighter. He fights with a general's mindset. (hint hint) He will not hesitate to threaten/injure/kill innocents to get the fight to go his way. He'll know that Superman outclasses him powerwise and will adapt his strategy in order to beat him (or at least get him to make a critical mistake)[/quote]
Like pick people up and block his attacks with them! First thing I would do.
In an alternate universe where the Red Hulk is a DC character, sure. In this universe, no. The chances of Superman deciding that he has to kill the Red Hulk are slim (especially given the nonlethal options he has available), but the chances of the Red Hulk killing Superman are zero.
"Most"? It only takes one that wouldn't.
From how far away? Through what materials? What you're saying is akin to "Batman is basically meat. Rulk can literally squash him to goo": true, but disregarding a whole host of variables.
If the Red Hulk finds kryptonite, he can just throw it at Superman's head and Supes might* be in serious trouble. But that's a big "if"; kryptonite is the real wild card in this fight.
*Depending on whether he can move faster than the Red Hulk can throw. No real way of gauging this.
So can Superman. The scariest thing about the guy is that the limits on his power are mostly self-imposed.
We have no idea how the Phantom Zone device works, much less whether the Red Hulk's powers extend to it. There are several forms of energy that we know the Red Hulk is not immune to - gravity, for starters, and that would be my first guess for what pulls targets through the wormhole into the Phantom Zone.
Superman is supposed to be quite clever, if not Batman-level brilliant. The act of portraying this accurately is all too often beyond his writers, but canonically that's his character.
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I don't care what superman throws at the hulk, it won't exceed the power of a black hole. vote goes to Rulk (who most likely would have had an easier time getting out)
When neither modern science nor philosophy can explain what life is."
Does the Reaper dream of darkness Darker than BLACK?
What? Hulk was never thrown into a black hole. He got sent off in a space shuttle, which may not have gone as planned, but there was no black hole involved.
Hulk was off-world for the entire civil war, he wasn't involved at all.
A card game about Presidents. Stabbing each other. With knives.
When neither modern science nor philosophy can explain what life is."
Does the Reaper dream of darkness Darker than BLACK?
I don't agree with your math there. Superman was killed once before, he could be again.
Rulk is stronger than Hulk.
By a DC character. (And one written solely to kill him, at that.) The most iconic of all DC superheroes is not going to meet his end at the hands of a villain from DC's archrival. It'd be like letting Bizarro kill Spider-Man.
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This argument also works in reverse for superman TO murder someone.
(number of story-lines with superman killing someone = number of story lines with superman dying)
It would be like having the Hulk kill Lex Luther.
Except that Superman's writers probably don't care if he kills a Marvel villain as much as they care that he isn't killed by a Marvel villain.
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Why are you assuming this would be written in DC universe?
New York does not exists in DC. It would be a marvel book if anything. The Hulk writers would be writing it, not the Superman writers.
I'm assuming it would be a collaborative effort. My point is that DC would walk before they'd let the Red Hulk kill Superman.
Actually, it does.
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I would not be surprised if it existed post Crisis, but I would be surprised if it existed after Crisis.
(after a google search)Ah, no it seems wiki is right, NY showed up in 52. Fine, Fine.
But still does not mean it will be the 'Superman writers' writing it.
Now we are getting into corporate decisions. Who is to say Marvel would not walk before they let DC kill Rulk?
But lets say batman doesn't step in.
Red Hulk should win, but editors would make superman win.
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My point about the phantom zone device was that it requires some form of power or draws upon other energies to start a chain reaction to open the portal to send the beings into the zone. Since Rulk can absorb energy than there is a reasonable chance that he could interrupt the process and not get sent into the zone. There is also the possibility of the Rulk using the phantom zone device against supes and fighting him there away from earth's sun and supes power source.
But as all the hypotheticals flying around this thread show, how the fight ends depends entirely on how the writers decide it should end.
See? Hypotheticals. If the writers want the Red Hulk to win, he'll be able to thwart the Phantom Zone device. If they want Superman to win, he won't.
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But they have big plans for Rulk, and Superman could just come back to life.
Or, it could be a 'elsewords' story, like all but one crossover was, so it would not matter to DC or Marvel who killed who.
I think this is just illustrating why I find it better to compare abilities of the characters than talk about writer mindsets. If its writer X, Y would win. But that's more or less saying "well if X god lucky, he could win." Which does not make for an interesting debate, IMO.
But, it could just be a WhatIf, and not have to effect all of the comic universe.
Anyway, if Red Hulk can absorb energy and part of his strength comes from making heat, then maybe Superman could just use his icy breath power to cool him off. Afterall, cold is the abscence of energy and a steady stream of it might be enough to weaken Red Hulk enough to be defeated.
Yeah, but the same thing could be said about pretty much ALL of these fictional vs. threads. Every one of them could be answered by saying, "It just depends on the writers and how well they thought the story could sell." Don't get me wrong, I agree with your reasoning 100%, but I think that it is a rather pointless thing to discuss in that manner, because the answer is always the same.
Instead, these threads give us the chance to try to think like writers (and fanboys). If YOU were writing the story, what would happen and why? Answers to that question seem far more interesting and potentially varied than the single line answer above.
So, your all that matters is which is better known?
So, Obmana could beat Superman then?
THIS IS ABOUT WHO YOU THINK WOULD WIN THIS FIGHT, no who you think the DEVELOPERS/ARTISTS WOULD LET WIN.
Your opinion. Thank you.