This is a debate my friends and I had recently. We argue over how many basically nude, unarmed men it takes to kill a fully grown male grizzly bear in an infinitely open arena.
I say 3-6, because humans are beasts.
The most agreed upon number was 10-15, but that seems like too much for me.
2 of my friends even said 30+, which is blatantly outrageous.
So, what is your opinion on the matter? How many people, and how would they kill it? Bear experts, if you play magic and are on here, don't hesitate to answer.
EDIT: The Humans are completely average in every way. around 5' 11" or 6', 180 lbs, and are just completely average at every aspect of life. Also, there is no fear. Assume the humans have no fear of the bear, and the bear has no fear of the humans. This is just about the physical brawl.
In all seriousness, it depends on how skilled and or athletically inclined these humans are. A couple of karate/judo/martial arts champions could probably take on a bear, no problems. The average guy, I'd say it'd take about seven or eight of them. That's just my opinion, not really based on a whole lot of knowledge about bears and such.
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It depends upon what sort of human you mean. I would expect that a fit, experienced human from a hunting-gathering sort of society that knows about bear behavior would stand a much better chance than would the average human in the society I've been raised in. I would guess that a band of 3-5 of those humans would be enough to stand a fair chance of success, whereas I'd expect it it to be10 humans like myself before there'd be a reasonable chance of success.
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My anecdotal evidence disagrees with yours! EXPLAIN THAT!
Another question is: Are these men perfectly coordinated? Is this a professional NBKT (Naked Bear-Killing Team)? I ask this because how well the team works together GREATLY affects how many are needed. If they just run at him 1 or 2 at a time, the bear is going to maul each and every one of them in short order. Even if they do all attack at the same time, it would take some amount of work to continuously attack while providing enough distraction for the other team members as to avoid injury when the bear picks a target.
Naked humans couldn't hurt a bear. Bears are strong enough they can kill us by mistake. Now a team of apes they would probably be better equipped. But even hunting and gathering tribes were unable to kill most animals without tools that is the big revolution that lead us to hunting is that we started using tools. Anyway basically like it was said earlier you would need to have enough humans to kill the bear from exhaustion. Now if you were not limited by how many humans could be within reach of the bear than I would say roughly 15-30 humans before you could weigh it down all the way.
some info on black bears one of the smaller parts of the bear family.
1. eat mostly berries, nuts, grasses, carrion, and insect larvae
2. have color vision and a keen sense of smell
3. are good tree climbers and swimmers
4. very intelligent and curious
5. can run up to 35 miles per hour
6. weigh an average of 125 to 600 pounds
7. go without food for up to 7 months during hibernation in northern ranges
8. usually give birth to 2 to 3 cubs during the mother's sleep every other year
9. can live over 25 years in the wild (average age in the wild is 18)
Given the proper motivation, like the bear actively going after them, and given that the men start out in a group together, I think it would take 7-10 normal unarmed people.
By the way, Chuck Norris doesn't count, as he is not a man. He is a god.
Completely unarmed? Not even rocks? I can't imagine any reasonable number of humans could take a grizzly on. It'd have to choke on the dead before it went down. Voted 25+.
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A couple of karate/judo/martial arts champions could probably take on a bear, no problems.
well the bear wouldn't actually eat people most likely. At least not until all the fighting was done with. Bears aren't really into the whole eating people thing.
If unarmed truly means unarmed, I'm not sure if any reasonable amount of humans could do it. I guess if like 20+ all swarmed him at the same time, but the bear will just swat them away like flies. It would take a large, well trained amount of humans going at the bear and there would need to be some kind of strategy to take the thing down. Don't **** with bears.
As for seven unarmed people taking down a bear, just LOL. The bear would seriously take them out in like 10 seconds flat.
It is not only judo, but the general techniques of martial arts in general, that would help. People who train actively know how to effectively dodge attacks and have faster reflexes than your average joe that is fit and goes to the gym.
And in Judo, where freeform practice is used, their pain tolerance levels are probably a bit higher, too. But I gotta agree, judo was definitely not the best choice.
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Hm, I may have misread. I assumed that they were dropped naked into the territory and could develop tools on-site. If you're taking the ability to use technology away, then yeah, it's pretty silly.
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My anecdotal evidence disagrees with yours! EXPLAIN THAT!
2 of my friends even said 30+, which is blatantly outrageous.
It's blatantly outrageous only because 2 out of all of your friends were not intelligent enough to view this as the correct answer.
Honestly, haven't you all been to a zoo before? Have you seen a bear?
I don't see how any number of humans could kill a bear. What, exactly, is there that a human being could do? The only thing I can think of that would kill a grizzly is to smother it with human corpses in a giant manpile until it gets exhausted. There's nothing a human being can do to a bear. These things weigh over a thousand pounds and have teeth and claws.
Honestly, have none of you seen a bear protection suit? Look at that thing and tell me what it could do to human flesh.
It is not only judo, but the general techniques of martial arts in general, that would help. People who train actively know how to effectively dodge attacks and have faster reflexes than your average joe that is fit and goes to the gym.
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It's a bear. 1200 pounds and with claws, teeth, and thick fur. You cannot MMA a bear!
Could not suicidal blows to a bear's skull eventually work? One of those double-fisted, over-the-head type of blows?
Not really. You have to use large-caliber rifles to penetrate a bear's skull because most bullets will just mushroom out on it.
I voted for 16-20 but I'm starting to reconsider. I think it might take more. If they humans could work in perfect tandem and some of them willingly gave their lives to be mauled while others blinded the bear by eye-jabs, they might be able to wear it down enough that less that 25 could take it but the death toll would be near 100%, I think.
Blinding a bear is just going to make it angrier and more ferocious.
And more blind. If it's just swinging wildly into the air, and around it, you have a definite advantage in that you can easily sneak up on it. From there you can get your fingers into the eye sockets until you get it to bleed out. I think an even better thread would be one discussing the best strategies to attack the bear, given a number of people. The most difficult would of course be one person.
I doubt that any number of humans could take on a grizzly bear.
What are you going to do to it?
Punch and kick it? To be that close is to die, and you still won't be able to hurt it.
And as for blinding it, it's 8ft tall at least! How do you propose to blind it?
Attempting to blind a bear will do nothing, for a couple of reasons:
1. If you're trying to blind a bear, you have to get to its eyes. Which are in the front of its body. In its face. Next to its enormous jaw. In the same area as its front paws, which are large and have claws.
2. Bears have TERRIBLE eyesight anyway. They operate largely through smell.
3. You're engaging the thing in freaking MELEE COMBAT. Even if we were to take as a given that you blinded the already-almost-blind thing that weighs 1200 pounds, has claws, teeth, and an extremely thick hide, a thing that can survive bullets, congratulations, you've still done nothing to help you kill this thing.
I dont think there is any way any number of men could kill a grizzly bear. First off its a freaking grizzly bear, have you ever been close to a grizzly bear? There is nothing a person could do to even hurt a sleeping bear. Maybe just maybe one man could kill a grizzly. If he climbed high enough into a tree and the bear followed him, the bear could fall. This could result in a dead grizzly.
There is a problem though, grizzlys dont often climb trees. It would probably just wait for you at the bottom. If the bear did wait at the bottom, i suppose you could climb high enough and jump. This would be suicide bombing the bear and could possibly kill him.
Well, leaves aren't 100+ pounds accelerating at 9.8 meters/second-squared.
ledzep, I want to give this to you, but the problem is you'd need a very, very tall tree to fall from. You'd also have to hope the Grizzly doesn't just climb the tree itself.
I say 3-6, because humans are beasts.
The most agreed upon number was 10-15, but that seems like too much for me.
2 of my friends even said 30+, which is blatantly outrageous.
So, what is your opinion on the matter? How many people, and how would they kill it? Bear experts, if you play magic and are on here, don't hesitate to answer.
EDIT: The Humans are completely average in every way. around 5' 11" or 6', 180 lbs, and are just completely average at every aspect of life. Also, there is no fear. Assume the humans have no fear of the bear, and the bear has no fear of the humans. This is just about the physical brawl.
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In all seriousness, it depends on how skilled and or athletically inclined these humans are. A couple of karate/judo/martial arts champions could probably take on a bear, no problems. The average guy, I'd say it'd take about seven or eight of them. That's just my opinion, not really based on a whole lot of knowledge about bears and such.
I vote 7-10.
But hey, if a kindergarten class of 26 can take down Godzilla working together, I suppose it would only take 2 ordinary men to take down a Grizzly Bear if they worked together well enough.
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some info on black bears one of the smaller parts of the bear family.
1. eat mostly berries, nuts, grasses, carrion, and insect larvae
2. have color vision and a keen sense of smell
3. are good tree climbers and swimmers
4. very intelligent and curious
5. can run up to 35 miles per hour
6. weigh an average of 125 to 600 pounds
7. go without food for up to 7 months during hibernation in northern ranges
8. usually give birth to 2 to 3 cubs during the mother's sleep every other year
9. can live over 25 years in the wild (average age in the wild is 18)
10. are typically shy and easily frightened
http://www.americanbear.org/blackbearfacts.htm
By the way, Chuck Norris doesn't count, as he is not a man. He is a god.
How is judo supposed to work on a grizzly bear?
As for seven unarmed people taking down a bear, just LOL. The bear would seriously take them out in like 10 seconds flat.
It is not only judo, but the general techniques of martial arts in general, that would help. People who train actively know how to effectively dodge attacks and have faster reflexes than your average joe that is fit and goes to the gym.
And in Judo, where freeform practice is used, their pain tolerance levels are probably a bit higher, too. But I gotta agree, judo was definitely not the best choice.
and acts without effort.
Teaching without verbosity,
producing without possessing,
creating without regard to result,
claiming nothing,
the Sage has nothing to lose.
That is absolutely ridiculous.
It's blatantly outrageous only because 2 out of all of your friends were not intelligent enough to view this as the correct answer.
Honestly, haven't you all been to a zoo before? Have you seen a bear?
I don't see how any number of humans could kill a bear. What, exactly, is there that a human being could do? The only thing I can think of that would kill a grizzly is to smother it with human corpses in a giant manpile until it gets exhausted. There's nothing a human being can do to a bear. These things weigh over a thousand pounds and have teeth and claws.
Honestly, have none of you seen a bear protection suit? Look at that thing and tell me what it could do to human flesh.
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It's a bear. 1200 pounds and with claws, teeth, and thick fur. You cannot MMA a bear!
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Or breaking the bear's neck, or its legs, or scratching its eyes out.
It's a few blows to vitally important areas that will weaken it until you can administer the final blow.
But in all honesty the first four or five blows would definitely be kamikaze-style. So I said 7-10, assuming that they're lucky.
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Not really. You have to use large-caliber rifles to penetrate a bear's skull because most bullets will just mushroom out on it.
I voted for 16-20 but I'm starting to reconsider. I think it might take more. If they humans could work in perfect tandem and some of them willingly gave their lives to be mauled while others blinded the bear by eye-jabs, they might be able to wear it down enough that less that 25 could take it but the death toll would be near 100%, I think.
Yes, but how does that translate into "mauled by a ****ing grizzly bear" tolerance? I don't think that's something you can get used to.
Uh...
And more blind. If it's just swinging wildly into the air, and around it, you have a definite advantage in that you can easily sneak up on it. From there you can get your fingers into the eye sockets until you get it to bleed out. I think an even better thread would be one discussing the best strategies to attack the bear, given a number of people. The most difficult would of course be one person.
What are you going to do to it?
Punch and kick it? To be that close is to die, and you still won't be able to hurt it.
And as for blinding it, it's 8ft tall at least! How do you propose to blind it?
1. If you're trying to blind a bear, you have to get to its eyes. Which are in the front of its body. In its face. Next to its enormous jaw. In the same area as its front paws, which are large and have claws.
2. Bears have TERRIBLE eyesight anyway. They operate largely through smell.
3. You're engaging the thing in freaking MELEE COMBAT. Even if we were to take as a given that you blinded the already-almost-blind thing that weighs 1200 pounds, has claws, teeth, and an extremely thick hide, a thing that can survive bullets, congratulations, you've still done nothing to help you kill this thing.
There is a problem though, grizzlys dont often climb trees. It would probably just wait for you at the bottom. If the bear did wait at the bottom, i suppose you could climb high enough and jump. This would be suicide bombing the bear and could possibly kill him.
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Do leaves hurt you when they fall off trees?
Well, leaves aren't 100+ pounds accelerating at 9.8 meters/second-squared.
ledzep, I want to give this to you, but the problem is you'd need a very, very tall tree to fall from. You'd also have to hope the Grizzly doesn't just climb the tree itself.
The higher the tree is, the greater the likelyhood that the bear will get out of the way and laugh as you break your neck.
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