Mikey, definately. Hiro was so interesting when he was with that girl from Midland. And she had a really cool power and tragic story. Now he's just useless :(. I hate that he needs that stupid sword to use his powers at the moment because it's really stifling. Sulu was for camp value to be sure. It was all in all uninteresting. I don't like them introducing a character specifically for one episode and then releasing them without them impacting anything at all.
You know when you were a kid and were learning the different parts of a sentence. At least for me anyways, I was told to find the subject and the verb by removing all the other parts that could be removed and still make the setence coherent. That's what it feels like when I see Matt's character or Hiro's interaction with his father. As though ripping them out wouldn't really affect anything and the show could continue stronger for having done it.
I just don't like matt.
Isaac and Simone must have taken lessons from Superman (Tom Welling of whom I know you're so fond of making fun for being pretty paper.)
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Micah could usually tell when his mother was there or when jessica was there. I wonder what's changed? Does he not see Jessica anymore? Or does he just not care that it's jessica?
This show was hindered by the break and lost it's momentum. I hope it gets back on track and gets more interesting. The dynamic just isn't the same anymore.
Mikey, definately. Hiro was so interesting when he was with that girl from Midland. And she had a really cool power and tragic story. Now he's just useless :(. I hate that he needs that stupid sword to use his powers at the moment because it's really stifling. Sulu was for camp value to be sure. It was all in all uninteresting. I don't like them introducing a character specifically for one episode and then releasing them without them impacting anything at all.
You know when you were a kid and were learning the different parts of a sentence. At least for me anyways, I was told to find the subject and the verb by removing all the other parts that could be removed and still make the setence coherent. That's what it feels like when I see Matt's character or Hiro's interaction with his father. As though ripping them out wouldn't really affect anything and the show could continue stronger for having done it.
I just don't like matt.
Isaac and Simone must have taken lessons from Superman (Tom Welling of whom I know you're so fond of making fun for being pretty paper.)
I don't like Frequency.
Micah could usually tell when his mother was there or when jessica was there. I wonder what's changed? Does he not see Jessica anymore? Or does he just not care that it's jessica?
This show was hindered by the break and lost it's momentum. I hope it gets back on track and gets more interesting. The dynamic just isn't the same anymore.
The show didn't lose momentum in the way you think. Its more like its shifted gears after a climax and is now trying to slow the descent towards the season finale. The writers are using the classic Poetics story structure. It might seem basic now but was revolutionary in its day. The thing with Heroes is that each character has their own arc, the season has an arc, and the whole series(may it be 10 years long!) has an arc. The personal arcs are going to the background a bit more, this weeks episode pretty much tied things up, so that the season's arc can come to the fore(i.e. Ted, Sylar, NYC going boom). The tempo of the first half of the season was fast and dynamic because of the sheer amount of characters. We needed to know who they are, where they've been, and where they're going. Though I think we know alot more about the main characters, Peter, Claire, and Hiro, than about the other characters. Which could mean they don't play a big role this season or ever or that for the purposes of this arc we don't need to know anymore. My favorite producer, Joss Whedon, is notorious for giving the audience what they need, not what they want. Perhaps other producers subscribe to a similiar creed.
The show didn't lose momentum in the way you think. Its more like its shifted gears after a climax and is now trying to slow the descent towards the season finale. The writers are using the classic Poetics story structure. It might seem basic now but was revolutionary in its day. The thing with Heroes is that each character has their own arc, the season has an arc, and the whole series(may it be 10 years long!) has an arc. The personal arcs are going to the background a bit more, this weeks episode pretty much tied things up, so that the season's arc can come to the fore(i.e. Ted, Sylar, NYC going boom). The tempo of the first half of the season was fast and dynamic because of the sheer amount of characters. We needed to know who they are, where they've been, and where they're going. Though I think we know alot more about the main characters, Peter, Claire, and Hiro, than about the other characters. Which could mean they don't play a big role this season or ever or that for the purposes of this arc we don't need to know anymore. My favorite producer, Joss Whedon, is notorious for giving the audience what they need, not what they want. Perhaps other producers subscribe to a similiar creed.
I guess it's just uninteresting the way they have it. Hiro, sure, needed a reason to stay in America and get away with it since he and Ando were supposed to be on Vacation. Surely that time has expired and they need to go back. I get that. It's just that they tied it up too neatly and it was just boring. I think I'd have preferred it that there was no sister and Hiro was staying in america despite his father's disapproval. I don't like powerless Hiro.
But really it only matters based on how I watch it as a viewer. I could probably enjoy it more if I didn't speculate so much and expect so many things to happen. It's just I can't watch it through the character's eyes because they keep shifting about all the time inconsistently. When they come back to someone it just seems sparadic and I don't develop that attachment that I think I need in order to enjoy that specific stint in, say, Hiro's/Ando's arc.
For the record, blue, I believe the sword is not going to give Hiro his powers back - I just think that, since he believe that to be the case, it is the case. In psychological terms, it's what is called a self-fulfilling prophecy.
For the record, blue, I believe the sword is not going to give Hiro his powers back - I just think that, since he believe that to be the case, it is the case. In psychological terms, it's what is called a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I agree.
When he had the fake sword it worked just as well. I just hope they don't drag it out and do that whole, "Your true power lies in you. It's a mental block because you're afraid of hurting someone or not being able to save someone you love once again." Cuz I don't think I could stomach that in any length.
Everything is interconnected, according to the creator. We'll get clarification soon about how his power works, how long he can go back somewhere...
Early on, Future Hiro said staying too long somewhere causes a rift. This might have been what happened with Charlie. Hiro remains in the past too long, and his power backfires on him afterwards. He had to take the bus back, and Future Hiro looks like the kind of guy who would vaporize the bus as soon as ride it.
Storylines should pick up soon. We are getting good action though. Peter falling off the roof, Sylar escaping... Next we get Jessica vs. Matt, then after that episode 17 should be huge. Someone important dies in 18, and then only four episodes to the season finale.
Speaking of self fullfilling prophecies...What if Hiro turns out to BE the true owner of the sword? (He can time travel after all...)
Yea that would be a cheesy cliffhanger for the end of season one... but not unthinkable...
I remember having that same thought, but as I pursued that line of thought I realized why it was impossible. It was some random thing. Watching Godsend again would probably answer that question.
It might have been that the guy he talked about was tyrannic or something, and that's so totally not Hiro.
Some evidence I had come up with was that 'future' Hiro looks a hell of a lot like the guy from the Japanese artwork of the story Hiro was telling.
Well now that Nathan knows he's a father (or that his daughter is still alive....or his sister depending on if that lady had the romp with Nathan's father or not) will he recognize Claire as the cheerleader that Peter saved? Does Claire know or has she seen Nathan at all? Cuz if she only knows Peter's first name then she might not make the connection between peter and nathan until she sees them together.
Let me say something, i love this show and find it one of the few shows i need to watch every week.
But I'm afraid that they're going to forget about the whole save the cheerleader part that involved most of the characters from the 1st half. Claire's been saved, so now they gotta get to the part where her survival saves the world. If they forget to do that, i'll be severely disappointed.
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Let me say something, i love this show and find it one of the few shows i need to watch every week.
But I'm afraid that they're going to forget about the whole save the cheerleader part that involved most of the characters from the 1st half. Claire's been saved, so now they gotta get to the part where her survival saves the world. If they forget to do that, i'll be severely disappointed.
Agreed. Now that the cheerleader has been saved it's time to find out why. Maybe it's to save Peter too? Dunno from what exactly but it seems like Peter needs Claire for some reason.
mikey- see the spoiler for why you're totally wrong about Hiro.
Hiro is naturally the most powerful Hero of them all, as Karn is the most powerful planeswalker of them all-- and for the same reason: time travel. That power is so above and beyond even normal super-powers (oxymoron>?) that it cannot be stopped. This is why there always must be a power drain, or some form of catch to bring the character from godliness to mortality.
Thus, Hiro needs his sword mentally to have his power. This way, future villains have a focal point on how to stop him, and future dilemmas can be made of it.
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mikey- see the spoiler for why you're totally wrong about Hiro.
Hiro is naturally the most powerful Hero of them all, as Karn is the most powerful planeswalker of them all-- and for the same reason: time travel. That power is so above and beyond even normal super-powers (oxymoron>?) that it cannot be stopped. This is why there always must be a power drain, or some form of catch to bring the character from godliness to mortality.
Thus, Hiro needs his sword mentally to have his power. This way, future villains have a focal point on how to stop him, and future dilemmas can be made of it.
And that makes me wrong how? You're responding to an argument I wasn't trying to make.
I said that Hiro's story was starting to bore me and that the character was beginning to become one-note. And that I felt his recent storyline with his father was retreading old ground. I understand what they're trying to do with him, I'm just not particularly impressed by it.
Actually, one would argue that Peter, once he learns how to use his powers fully, would be the most powerful. He's the Rogue of Heroes, so conceivably he could get Hiro's power in addition to a boatload of other powers, which seems to be his current dilemma in fact right now, as he's about to blow up from a power overload.
I'm just waiting for him and Sylar to face off, which I imagine is bound to happen at/around the season finale.
I think the whole 'Save the Cheerleader, Save the World' bit was more of like..preventive maintainance. Meaning, if they hadn't saved her, Sylar would have stolen her immortality and been able to wreak mass havoc. Thus, they have already 'saved the world' by saving the cheerleader.
I think the whole 'Save the Cheerleader, Save the World' bit was more of like..preventive maintainance. Meaning, if they hadn't saved her, Sylar would have stolen her immortality and been able to wreak mass havoc. Thus, they have already 'saved the world' by saving the cheerleader.
I agree, though I think that it was also the way to give Peter the upper hand in the later fights - being invulnerable and being able to regenerate will give Peter that polish that will give him the edge over other villain 'heroes', as he equalises them and then has the bonus of being unable to die.
Also, theoretically, Peter could use Hiro's power combined with Mohinder's List, to travel to every Hero in the world and gain/copy their powers. Pretty neat to have a Super-Hero. /pun.
When he had the fake sword it worked just as well. I just hope they don't drag it out and do that whole, "Your true power lies in you. It's a mental block because you're afraid of hurting someone or not being able to save someone you love once again." Cuz I don't think I could stomach that in any length.
Not to mention Peter's doing the exact same thing...
Hiro is naturally the most powerful Hero of them all, as Karn is the most powerful planeswalker of them all-- and for the same reason: time travel. That power is so above and beyond even normal super-powers (oxymoron>?) that it cannot be stopped. This is why there always must be a power drain, or some form of catch to bring the character from godliness to mortality.
The problem is twofold:
1. Peter's clearly the most powerful hero of them all because he has the powers of everyone. Only Sylar comes close to that. Hero I would rank like third. His time travel is cool, the problem is it's largely mobility right now. The whole, "Go back and kill people" thing hasn't really occurred. Moreover, the arc with Hiro's girlfriend showed that there is a definite hinderance toward ret-conning everything in Hiro's favor.
2. This doesn't contradict mikey's point.
I don't agree with mikey (*gasp*), as I don't mind Hiro all that much. The fact that he's become largely background is perfectly fine with me, in part because I still continue to think he's hilarious, and also because we've seen Future Hiro and just how opposite he is from normal Hiro, and that transformation is the one I'm most interested in. But I can see what mikey is saying.
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I agree, though I think that it was also the way to give Peter the upper hand in the later fights - being invulnerable and being able to regenerate will give Peter that polish that will give him the edge over other villain 'heroes', as he equalises them and then has the bonus of being unable to die.
Also, theoretically, Peter could use Hiro's power combined with Mohinder's List, to travel to every Hero in the world and gain/copy their powers. Pretty neat to have a Super-Hero. /pun.
I disagree on the grounds that Peter in full control of his ever expanding list of powers would just be horrendous to the storyline. Peter will get to the point where he will either never be fully in control of his powers, die, or both.
I agree, though I think that it was also the way to give Peter the upper hand in the later fights - being invulnerable and being able to regenerate will give Peter that polish that will give him the edge over other villain 'heroes', as he equalises them and then has the bonus of being unable to die.
Also, theoretically, Peter could use Hiro's power combined with Mohinder's List, to travel to every Hero in the world and gain/copy their powers. Pretty neat to have a Super-Hero. /pun.
I don't think Peter will be as unstoppable as all that, for two reasons:
1. Similar to a computer-based emulator, Peter has to use his power and someone else's power at once, which probably results in him being not quite as good at it. And of course, as far as we know, he can only do one power at once.
2. He's got some built-in limitations with his power, too. For example, Claire's healing works even if she's unconscious because it's natural to her, but Peter has to activate it. She survived her brain getting pierced through, but I bet that would kill Peter straight off.
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I disagree on the grounds that Peter in full control of his ever expanding list of powers would just be horrendous to the storyline. Peter will get to the point where he will either never be fully in control of his powers, die, or both.
I think it's clever to make his access to the powers hinge on emotion. Peter has shown that his heart is almost always on his sleeve- he is not good at controlling his emotions, so I don't think he'll ever be able to pull them out whenever he needs them, or combine them, or whatever.
But I am going to make a prediction- SOMEONE is going to sacrifice themselves to take down Sylar for good for the end of the arc/season. Claire's mom being my #1 choice, Peter is possible too. I can just see the mom giving herself over to her power completely and engulfing herself and Sylar in like a big pillar of flame that kills them both. Just because I don't see that character really "growing", from what we've seen so far- but she's got to do something important somehow.
Claire's mom is almost definitely going to die, in my opinion. There will be a standoff between her and Sylar, I will bet you.
The way I see it, Peter can go one of two ways:
1. The "Willow" option: Peter's powers hinge upon emotions, which is incredibly unstable and always leads to him drawing close to becoming a bomb.
2. Peter, over the course of the season, gains control of his powers, but dies in a heroic effort.
There is the slightly possible third option of the government putting him into a coma to have him awaken in a later season.
My current theory is that there will be a grand battle between Peter and Sylar that will involve spending all of the money left over in the TV budget on special effects, and ultimately resulting in both being either dead or critically wounded and left to be players in a new arc.
Sidenote, two things I noticed about the last episode regarding Sylar:
1. Is it me, or is Sylar less crazy? I mean, he still has his trademark watch tick, but when we first see Sylar, he is totally off. There's definitely a few things wound wrong in him. Now he seems, though still evil, rather sane.
2. Anyone else think it was kind of lame that Sylar left Claire's "dad" alive so that he could play cavalry later on? Granted, it gave another excuse to have the Haitian come in (the Haitian is awesome), but still...
You know when you were a kid and were learning the different parts of a sentence. At least for me anyways, I was told to find the subject and the verb by removing all the other parts that could be removed and still make the setence coherent. That's what it feels like when I see Matt's character or Hiro's interaction with his father. As though ripping them out wouldn't really affect anything and the show could continue stronger for having done it.
I just don't like matt.
Isaac and Simone must have taken lessons from Superman (Tom Welling of whom I know you're so fond of making fun for being pretty paper.)
I don't like Frequency.
Micah could usually tell when his mother was there or when jessica was there. I wonder what's changed? Does he not see Jessica anymore? Or does he just not care that it's jessica?
This show was hindered by the break and lost it's momentum. I hope it gets back on track and gets more interesting. The dynamic just isn't the same anymore.
But really it only matters based on how I watch it as a viewer. I could probably enjoy it more if I didn't speculate so much and expect so many things to happen. It's just I can't watch it through the character's eyes because they keep shifting about all the time inconsistently. When they come back to someone it just seems sparadic and I don't develop that attachment that I think I need in order to enjoy that specific stint in, say, Hiro's/Ando's arc.
I agree.
Yea that would be a cheesy cliffhanger for the end of season one... but not unthinkable...
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Everything is interconnected, according to the creator. We'll get clarification soon about how his power works, how long he can go back somewhere...
Early on, Future Hiro said staying too long somewhere causes a rift. This might have been what happened with Charlie. Hiro remains in the past too long, and his power backfires on him afterwards. He had to take the bus back, and Future Hiro looks like the kind of guy who would vaporize the bus as soon as ride it.
Storylines should pick up soon. We are getting good action though. Peter falling off the roof, Sylar escaping... Next we get Jessica vs. Matt, then after that episode 17 should be huge. Someone important dies in 18, and then only four episodes to the season finale.
I remember having that same thought, but as I pursued that line of thought I realized why it was impossible. It was some random thing. Watching Godsend again would probably answer that question.
It might have been that the guy he talked about was tyrannic or something, and that's so totally not Hiro.
Some evidence I had come up with was that 'future' Hiro looks a hell of a lot like the guy from the Japanese artwork of the story Hiro was telling.
Let me say something, i love this show and find it one of the few shows i need to watch every week.
But I'm afraid that they're going to forget about the whole save the cheerleader part that involved most of the characters from the 1st half. Claire's been saved, so now they gotta get to the part where her survival saves the world. If they forget to do that, i'll be severely disappointed.
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Agreed. Now that the cheerleader has been saved it's time to find out why. Maybe it's to save Peter too? Dunno from what exactly but it seems like Peter needs Claire for some reason.
Thus, Hiro needs his sword mentally to have his power. This way, future villains have a focal point on how to stop him, and future dilemmas can be made of it.
And that makes me wrong how? You're responding to an argument I wasn't trying to make.
I said that Hiro's story was starting to bore me and that the character was beginning to become one-note. And that I felt his recent storyline with his father was retreading old ground. I understand what they're trying to do with him, I'm just not particularly impressed by it.
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I'm just waiting for him and Sylar to face off, which I imagine is bound to happen at/around the season finale.
I think the whole 'Save the Cheerleader, Save the World' bit was more of like..preventive maintainance. Meaning, if they hadn't saved her, Sylar would have stolen her immortality and been able to wreak mass havoc. Thus, they have already 'saved the world' by saving the cheerleader.
Also, theoretically, Peter could use Hiro's power combined with Mohinder's List, to travel to every Hero in the world and gain/copy their powers. Pretty neat to have a Super-Hero. /pun.
I thought it was obvious why: Sylar.
The problem is twofold:
1. Peter's clearly the most powerful hero of them all because he has the powers of everyone. Only Sylar comes close to that. Hero I would rank like third. His time travel is cool, the problem is it's largely mobility right now. The whole, "Go back and kill people" thing hasn't really occurred. Moreover, the arc with Hiro's girlfriend showed that there is a definite hinderance toward ret-conning everything in Hiro's favor.
2. This doesn't contradict mikey's point.
I don't agree with mikey (*gasp*), as I don't mind Hiro all that much. The fact that he's become largely background is perfectly fine with me, in part because I still continue to think he's hilarious, and also because we've seen Future Hiro and just how opposite he is from normal Hiro, and that transformation is the one I'm most interested in. But I can see what mikey is saying.
Ace:
I don't think Peter will be as unstoppable as all that, for two reasons:
1. Similar to a computer-based emulator, Peter has to use his power and someone else's power at once, which probably results in him being not quite as good at it. And of course, as far as we know, he can only do one power at once.
2. He's got some built-in limitations with his power, too. For example, Claire's healing works even if she's unconscious because it's natural to her, but Peter has to activate it. She survived her brain getting pierced through, but I bet that would kill Peter straight off.
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But I am going to make a prediction- SOMEONE is going to sacrifice themselves to take down Sylar for good for the end of the arc/season. Claire's mom being my #1 choice, Peter is possible too. I can just see the mom giving herself over to her power completely and engulfing herself and Sylar in like a big pillar of flame that kills them both. Just because I don't see that character really "growing", from what we've seen so far- but she's got to do something important somehow.
The way I see it, Peter can go one of two ways:
1. The "Willow" option: Peter's powers hinge upon emotions, which is incredibly unstable and always leads to him drawing close to becoming a bomb.
2. Peter, over the course of the season, gains control of his powers, but dies in a heroic effort.
There is the slightly possible third option of the government putting him into a coma to have him awaken in a later season.
My current theory is that there will be a grand battle between Peter and Sylar that will involve spending all of the money left over in the TV budget on special effects, and ultimately resulting in both being either dead or critically wounded and left to be players in a new arc.
Sidenote, two things I noticed about the last episode regarding Sylar:
1. Is it me, or is Sylar less crazy? I mean, he still has his trademark watch tick, but when we first see Sylar, he is totally off. There's definitely a few things wound wrong in him. Now he seems, though still evil, rather sane.
2. Anyone else think it was kind of lame that Sylar left Claire's "dad" alive so that he could play cavalry later on? Granted, it gave another excuse to have the Haitian come in (the Haitian is awesome), but still...