I do hope Stormblind counted you when saying L-1. Ending the day now would be awful.
I was just about to unvote because I don't like a L-1 this early in the day. Still lots to talk about.
I'll unvote anyways.
Stormblind: why do you think it a good idea to put someone at L-1 at this point in the game?
When I played mafia you generally put someone at -1 before demanding a claim from them. Gave scum a chance to commit suicide in their hopes to stifle communication. Its amazing how often it worked .
And if you were to ask that of me, ask void as well, his potentially accidental hammer would have put him at -1 as well.
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When I played mafia you generally put someone at -1 before demanding a claim from them. Gave scum a chance to commit suicide in their hopes to stifle communication. Its amazing how often it worked .
This actually makes a lot of sense. Kind of surprised that nobody does this anymore, to be honest. I'm fine with this explanation.
MTGS uses L-2 because they don't want to allow scum to commit suicide. They value the information from talking to a probably caught scum and hearing their claims and excuses more than getting the easy kill. Of course L-1 is fine with Macius already voting himself.
Can someone explain the current wagon to me? What are the main points against Macius right now?
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[QUOTE=Void;/comments/10881250][QUOTE=Macius;/comments/10881238]So everyone, welcome to Macius' Crazy Carnival, where I do the most insane things (like claim jester...) and people wonder what drugs I am on. The correct answer is Caffeine.
So anyways, I made a post that reeked of trying to be a suck-up to Guardman. Stardust, Rhand and Tom all come jumping in to vote for me. But lookie there, no justification for why they voted. Insane or not, I was taught that you should always show why your voting for someone.
Considering that the game is 14 people, I would assume 3-4 scum. Lookie here, we gots 3 people jumping on to my wagon without a lick of reasoning (except rhand, but he's just sucking up to Stardust is his post.)
Yes I am insane, but still doesnt change that there are 3 explanation-less votes afoot.
I don’t get the point of this post unless it was to fling mud at 3 players at once. You committed a scum tell, albeit a weaker one, but it was enough for 3 players to vote for you.
Rather than defend your action you instead call out the 3 players and do nothing to scum hunt them in progress. I had read your FoS Swishh as an experienced player drawing out reactions, but your following post coexists with a scum mind set.
Vote: Macius
Asenion, if you don't have time to read the thread, then please replace out. The anwser was 10 posts above yours.
I quoted it for you, but I should be making you go read it. Lazyiness is not good for anyone regardless of alignment.
That's rather rude Void. I read that post and don't consider it a good explanation. What was the initial action that drew 3 votes to Macius? Was it just the fact that he used a FoS?
What specifically was the "weak scum tell" that you noted in the post where you voted him?
What makes his mindset scummy?
How is he flinging mud at 3 players? He said that their votes were naked and without posted reasons, that is a fact. He said he finds them scummy for it, that is an opinion. Neither of those statements attempts to discredit them, and he asks them to explain their votes. (Which is good for the town.)
When I say I don't understand the Macius wagon, it's not because I'm not reading the game. It's because no one is posting reasons for voting beyond the simplest and most vague terms. Explain yourselves please, all of you.
P.S. This is not an argument for or against the Macius wagon. I care about why you are voting, not really who you are voting for.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
By, "I have no clue", I literally mean that I literally didnt even think when typing.... literally how I play mafia. Its why I dont play much, as it gets grating to others.
@TMCT: I trade my powers to them. I cant use that ability. They gain my powers and I gain their powers. It is one time for the user, so if you've used it before, then you cant use it again if you end up with it.
By, "I have no clue", I literally mean that I literally didnt even think when typing.... literally how I play mafia. Its why I dont play much, as it gets grating to others.
I don't know what to do with this. Like, you're probably telling the truth, but you'll be so useless to the town that lynching you is only a loss because one of our own will get nightkilled. Do you play that way out of selfishness, so that you'll be harder to read regardless of your alignment? Or is this just a bunch of scum slips from a someone who doesn't care enough to even bother pretending to be town?
Unvote, but only because I'm not interested in seeing a lynch just yet. Macius, read my last post and respond to those questions.
That's rather rude Void. I read that post and don't consider it a good explanation. What was the initial action that drew 3 votes to Macius? Was it just the fact that he used a FoS?
The bolded is not what you said. Your original post:
Can someone explain the current wagon to me? What are the main points against Macius right now?
You made no mention of not understanding the post. You didn’t even mention the post. So for you to claim that didn’t consider it a good explanation is complete bull****. If you had looked at the post, like you are claiming, than you would have asked for better clarification then rather than now.
What specifically was the "weak scum tell" that you noted in the post where you voted him?
What makes his mindset scummy?
How is he flinging mud at 3 players? He said that their votes were naked and without posted reasons, that is a fact. He said he finds them scummy for it, that is an opinion. Neither of those statements attempts to discredit them, and he asks them to explain their votes. (Which is good for the town.)
When I say I don't understand the Macius wagon, it's not because I'm not reading the game. It's because no one is posting reasons for voting beyond the simplest and most vague terms. Explain yourselves please, all of you.
P.S. This is not an argument for or against the Macius wagon. I care about why you are voting, not really who you are voting for.
The rest of your post is simply an attempt to cover up your tracks and it is not working.
Is anyone else seeing what I am seeing? The possible melt down of the scum team by Post #119?
If Macius, Swishh and Asenion are all scum I am going to being laughing hard. Very hard!
EWP: Unvote if that is the truth than I willing to test Macius ability during the Night.
That's rather rude Void. I read that post and don't consider it a good explanation. What was the initial action that drew 3 votes to Macius? Was it just the fact that he used a FoS?
What specifically was the "weak scum tell" that you noted in the post where you voted him?
What makes his mindset scummy?
How is he flinging mud at 3 players? He said that their votes were naked and without posted reasons, that is a fact. He said he finds them scummy for it, that is an opinion. Neither of those statements attempts to discredit them, and he asks them to explain their votes. (Which is good for the town.)
When I say I don't understand the Macius wagon, it's not because I'm not reading the game. It's because no one is posting reasons for voting beyond the simplest and most vague terms. Explain yourselves please, all of you.
P.S. This is not an argument for or against the Macius wagon. I care about why you are voting, not really who you are voting for.
Void being rude is a town tell. Don't take it personally, lol (I did the first time I played with Void, and have [long] since gotten over it).
Your actions seem quite off as others have pointed out. While not enough for me to cast a vote, your behavior is odd none the less.
You had a clue since you were casting suscipion onto Swishh.
What is your Flavor? Paraphrased of course.
As for the Role Claim, I am no thrilled. What does the other player receive? Do they become Vanilla? Or do they gain your ability of "Theif"?
Also wondering about the flavor. The role as-claimed seems like a scummy role, since you could claim town power roles for your own as they get claimed. That's just mostly my gut talking, though -- I've not seen a role like that before, so I don't know how it's typically used.
My thoughts on Macius at this point are largely confused. He made a very Shark-esque "random/scum post," and then drew immediate fire for it. I don't like his claim, but I also don't like the speed with which the wagon built -- I mean, we're not even to page 10 yet. Void's points are largely good ones, but there's just so little to go off of that I'm not sure I'm comfortable lynching Macius at this point. I also tend to be an analysis-style player, so that may explain my discomfort.
Macius: what do you think of the reactions / of the people on your wagon thusfar?
As for your claim, while it's possibly a town role, a role thief is also a very solid ability for scum (in fact, I've been playing with a similar role as scum in some setups of my own), so that does very little for me.
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Does the "trade" resolve before or after the target performs his Night action? Does the "trade" resolve before or after NKs? Please ask Iso if you don't know.
@AG & KK
The two of you have been quieter in this game than I'm used to. Anything to say?
By, "I have no clue", I literally mean that I literally didnt even think when typing.... literally how I play mafia. Its why I dont play much, as it gets grating to others.
I don't know what to do with this. Like, you're probably telling the truth, but you'll be so useless to the town that lynching you is only a loss because one of our own will get nightkilled. Do you play that way out of selfishness, so that you'll be harder to read regardless of your alignment? Or is this just a bunch of scum slips from a someone who doesn't care enough to even bother pretending to be town?
Unvote, but only because I'm not interested in seeing a lynch just yet. Macius, read my last post and respond to those questions.
How does posting exactly what he thinks make him "useless to the town"? If anything, it's far better to the town to have someone speaking their mind honestly. I think people get too caught up in trying to play the meta and control what others think of them when sometimes a little honesty or less defensiveness could benefit the town.
@Void: That's utter nonsense. You just called me scum because you are arguing that I didn't read a post. I asked for someone to explain the wagon because your post doesn't do a good job. When you accused me of not reading, I clarified EXACTLY what I want to know about people's intentions. You dodged my questions entirely. Tell me why you are voting Macius please.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
By, "I have no clue", I literally mean that I literally didnt even think when typing.... literally how I play mafia. Its why I dont play much, as it gets grating to others.
I don't know what to do with this. Like, you're probably telling the truth, but you'll be so useless to the town that lynching you is only a loss because one of our own will get nightkilled. Do you play that way out of selfishness, so that you'll be harder to read regardless of your alignment? Or is this just a bunch of scum slips from a someone who doesn't care enough to even bother pretending to be town?
Unvote, but only because I'm not interested in seeing a lynch just yet. Macius, read my last post and respond to those questions.
How does posting exactly what he thinks make him "useless to the town"? If anything, it's far better to the town to have someone speaking their mind honestly. I think people get too caught up in trying to play the meta and control what others think of them when sometimes a little honesty or less defensiveness could benefit the town.
@Void: That's utter nonsense. You just called me scum because you are arguing that I didn't read a post. I asked for someone to explain the wagon because your post doesn't do a good job. When you accused me of not reading, I clarified EXACTLY what I want to know about people's intentions. You dodged my questions entirely. Tell me why you are voting Macius please.
I'm not calling you scum for not reading. I'm calling you scum for contradicting yourself from one post to very next. You went from "Would some tell me the case on Macius" to "I asked for clairifacation of your post". Those are two completely different statements/wordings.
I didn't dodge the question at all. I broke down your post and explained how you contradicted yourself and then explained what your questions actually were. You have yet to do anything to defend against the accussations of your post.
Now you're getting all huffy puffy becasue you didn't get the response you wanted.
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If Macius is telling the truth about his ability, then we will know AFTER the swap has happened. Who says the Macius is even telling the truth about his role? It's not the first time I have seen this role. The first time I saw this role was in Seasons Mafia. Infectiousbaloth had the ability, as town, and swapped his Role with Iso, who was also town, not that matters so much here since it's Gaming abilities from Seasons Mafia to this game.
There is plenty of reason to test Macius' ability. Until Tomorrow, though, I am accepting Macius' Role for what it is.
Seriously though, you have comitted a scum tell that I recognize from [redacted] and a few experienced players from [redacted] pointed out why that type of post is bad and, more often than not, comes from Scum. You are 99% scum to me at the moment.
And before you ask about Macius, I'm only accepting him as Town until his ability has been proven. Even if his ability is confirmed for what it is it still does not make Macius Town. Sure, the Razor would point in that direction, but it would not be confirmed Town.
Macius's claim doesn't reflect anything about his alignment. It could easily go to either faction in a specialty.
I concede to your accusation that I asked for additional clarification. I do in fact want additional clarification of why people are voting for Macius.
You still didn't answer my question Void.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
Macius's claim doesn't reflect anything about his alignment. It could easily go to either faction in a specialty.
I concede to your accusation that I asked for additional clarification. I do in fact want additional clarification of why people are voting for Macius.
You have an issue with explaining why you voted for Macius?
It's been explained by more than one player in this game. If you're having such an issue with understanding why my vote is there, then why don't you quote my post and highlight/bold what doesn't make sense to you and ask me questions about it. I'm not sure how else I can make that post anymore clear than it already is.
What specifically was the "weak scum tell" that you noted in the post where you voted him?
What makes his mindset scummy?
How is he flinging mud at 3 players? He said that their votes were naked and without posted reasons, that is a fact. He said he finds them scummy for it, that is an opinion.
Those are my more specific questions pertaining to your vote since you won't answer the general ones.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
What specifically was the "weak scum tell" that you noted in the post where you voted him?
What makes his mindset scummy?
How is he flinging mud at 3 players? He said that their votes were naked and without posted reasons, that is a fact. He said he finds them scummy for it, that is an opinion.
Those are my more specific questions pertaining to your vote since you won't answer the general ones.
Asenion, I was referring to MY POST, not YOUR POST. Find my post and tell me what you don't understand about it. I am asking you this because the questions you just reposted are meaningless. Those questions have been answered.
What the **** makes you think I don't have time to read the thread? I;ve posted more than anyone else here and have responded to by far more than anyone else. That comment from you is nothing more than you throwing **** in my face and, seriously, is very disrespectful.
I may have been rude to you earlier, but I didn't make a personal attack out if it. Dat Ad Hom.
I literally just quoted what you said to me and put it at the top of my post. Yes, it was disrespectful, I'm glad we both agree.
I clearly can't find where you said what you found scummy or what the scum tell was. It would be nice if you could please post it. I don't actually think you are scum, but I want to understand why you are voting.
Here's the short version: Did all 4 of you who voted for Macius initially vote him simply because he posted a FoS without a vote? Or was there any other reason for voting him at the time?
This is a serious question, because I want to understand why people are voting. I either missed something important, or the players in this game are valuing a specific scum tell more than I do and either way I want to understand the thought process.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
Asenion, you're beating a dead horse here. Your answer is in Rhand's explanation. He covered every reason why Macius's post was scummy (more than the FoS, but that's the obvious flag). That's why Macius got voted. Why he got pushed to claim range is another question, but I had no problem leaving my vote there at the time given his follow-up posts. I plan on putting my vote back there to end the Day since I doubt there will be anyone I want to lynch more later.
I explained in detail why I voted him for that fos post.
It wasn't the fos itself, it was the rest of the post and his explanation of it afterwards.
I agree with Void that it comes off as disinterested that you don't seem to have read that in how you ask your questions.
I guess I should add, if you think any particular vote doesn't jive with that explanation, then focus on that person and ask the questions you want answered. Asking for generic reasoning from 4 different people is much less useful when there are plenty of answers to pull from in the thread already.
Here's a question for you: Do you think Macius is town? If so (or if you're uncertain), was there scum on his wagon? Who?
@Rhand: Yeah, I read your post at the time, but didn't think about the fact that you weren't one of the people I needed to question now. I was trying to start with Void, because his initial explanation was pretty bogus. Void is being completely unhelpful though, so I guess I'll move on.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
Would it be fair to say that your official statement on the matter is: "/barn Rhand"?
Haha, yes, and that's exactly my point. Anyone can say the same thing and be totally free from scrutiny. That's why it's a useless line of questioning.
If you want new material, you'll have to ask some questions that haven't already been answered. For example, reasoning for holding the vote there to get him to claim range.
You guys placed naked votes without posted reasoning. Only Rhan explained himself. I think it's reasonable to investigate. Let me get my answer from Tom and I'll move on.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
I think you are confused. Macius is at L-2 not swishh.
Unvote in case in wasn't...
I was just about to unvote because I don't like a L-1 this early in the day. Still lots to talk about.
I'll unvote anyways.
Stormblind: why do you think it a good idea to put someone at L-1 at this point in the game?
Vote: Macuis
Now L-2
And if you were to ask that of me, ask void as well, his potentially accidental hammer would have put him at -1 as well.
Why would you want to give scum the chance to commit suicide? And if that is the reason, then why do it when Macius already is on his own wagon?
This actually makes a lot of sense. Kind of surprised that nobody does this anymore, to be honest. I'm fine with this explanation.
Can someone explain the current wagon to me? What are the main points against Macius right now?
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Asenion, if you don't have time to read the thread, then please replace out. The anwser was 10 posts above yours.
I quoted it for you, but I should be making you go read it. Lazyiness is not good for anyone regardless of alignment.
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Why I did what I did, I have no clue, but alas im at L-2
I am a town thief. I can trade my powers once with someone else. They gain my powers and I gain theirs.
540 Peasant cube- Gold EditionSomething SpicyWhat specifically was the "weak scum tell" that you noted in the post where you voted him?
What makes his mindset scummy?
How is he flinging mud at 3 players? He said that their votes were naked and without posted reasons, that is a fact. He said he finds them scummy for it, that is an opinion. Neither of those statements attempts to discredit them, and he asks them to explain their votes. (Which is good for the town.)
When I say I don't understand the Macius wagon, it's not because I'm not reading the game. It's because no one is posting reasons for voting beyond the simplest and most vague terms. Explain yourselves please, all of you.
P.S. This is not an argument for or against the Macius wagon. I care about why you are voting, not really who you are voting for.
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What do you mean by "you have no clue". That doesn't make sense. Your post for reference:
You had a clue since you were casting suscipion onto Swishh.
What is your Flavor? Paraphrased of course.
As for the Role Claim, I am no thrilled. What does the other player receive? Do they become Vanilla? Or do they gain your ability of "Theif"?
Does that include the Thief ability itself? What happens if you "trade" without having any other "powers"? Is it a one-time ability?
540 Peasant cube- Gold EditionSomething Spicy540 Peasant cube- Gold EditionSomething Spicy540 Peasant cube- Gold EditionSomething SpicyI don't know what to do with this. Like, you're probably telling the truth, but you'll be so useless to the town that lynching you is only a loss because one of our own will get nightkilled. Do you play that way out of selfishness, so that you'll be harder to read regardless of your alignment? Or is this just a bunch of scum slips from a someone who doesn't care enough to even bother pretending to be town?
Unvote, but only because I'm not interested in seeing a lynch just yet. Macius, read my last post and respond to those questions.
The bolded is not what you said. Your original post:
You made no mention of not understanding the post. You didn’t even mention the post. So for you to claim that didn’t consider it a good explanation is complete bull****. If you had looked at the post, like you are claiming, than you would have asked for better clarification then rather than now.
The rest of your post is simply an attempt to cover up your tracks and it is not working.
Is anyone else seeing what I am seeing? The possible melt down of the scum team by Post #119?
If Macius, Swishh and Asenion are all scum I am going to being laughing hard. Very hard!
EWP: Unvote if that is the truth than I willing to test Macius ability during the Night.
That being said Vote: Swishh
Void being rude is a town tell. Don't take it personally, lol (I did the first time I played with Void, and have [long] since gotten over it).
Also wondering about the flavor. The role as-claimed seems like a scummy role, since you could claim town power roles for your own as they get claimed. That's just mostly my gut talking, though -- I've not seen a role like that before, so I don't know how it's typically used.
My thoughts on Macius at this point are largely confused. He made a very Shark-esque "random/scum post," and then drew immediate fire for it. I don't like his claim, but I also don't like the speed with which the wagon built -- I mean, we're not even to page 10 yet. Void's points are largely good ones, but there's just so little to go off of that I'm not sure I'm comfortable lynching Macius at this point. I also tend to be an analysis-style player, so that may explain my discomfort.
Macius: what do you think of the reactions / of the people on your wagon thusfar?
Preview edit: Yeah, what Silver said.
Does the "trade" resolve before or after the target performs his Night action? Does the "trade" resolve before or after NKs? Please ask Iso if you don't know.
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The two of you have been quieter in this game than I'm used to. Anything to say?
/barn this, and on that note I find it highly likely Macius is being truthful about the role.
How does posting exactly what he thinks make him "useless to the town"? If anything, it's far better to the town to have someone speaking their mind honestly. I think people get too caught up in trying to play the meta and control what others think of them when sometimes a little honesty or less defensiveness could benefit the town.
@Void: That's utter nonsense. You just called me scum because you are arguing that I didn't read a post. I asked for someone to explain the wagon because your post doesn't do a good job. When you accused me of not reading, I clarified EXACTLY what I want to know about people's intentions. You dodged my questions entirely. Tell me why you are voting Macius please.
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I'm not calling you scum for not reading. I'm calling you scum for contradicting yourself from one post to very next. You went from "Would some tell me the case on Macius" to "I asked for clairifacation of your post". Those are two completely different statements/wordings.
I didn't dodge the question at all. I broke down your post and explained how you contradicted yourself and then explained what your questions actually were. You have yet to do anything to defend against the accussations of your post.
Now you're getting all huffy puffy becasue you didn't get the response you wanted.
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If Macius is telling the truth about his ability, then we will know AFTER the swap has happened. Who says the Macius is even telling the truth about his role? It's not the first time I have seen this role. The first time I saw this role was in Seasons Mafia. Infectiousbaloth had the ability, as town, and swapped his Role with Iso, who was also town, not that matters so much here since it's Gaming abilities from Seasons Mafia to this game.
There is plenty of reason to test Macius' ability. Until Tomorrow, though, I am accepting Macius' Role for what it is.
Confident enough to be voting you.
Seriously though, you have comitted a scum tell that I recognize from [redacted] and a few experienced players from [redacted] pointed out why that type of post is bad and, more often than not, comes from Scum. You are 99% scum to me at the moment.
And before you ask about Macius, I'm only accepting him as Town until his ability has been proven. Even if his ability is confirmed for what it is it still does not make Macius Town. Sure, the Razor would point in that direction, but it would not be confirmed Town.
I concede to your accusation that I asked for additional clarification. I do in fact want additional clarification of why people are voting for Macius.
You still didn't answer my question Void.
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It's been explained by more than one player in this game. If you're having such an issue with understanding why my vote is there, then why don't you quote my post and highlight/bold what doesn't make sense to you and ask me questions about it. I'm not sure how else I can make that post anymore clear than it already is.
Those are my more specific questions pertaining to your vote since you won't answer the general ones.
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Asenion, I was referring to MY POST, not YOUR POST. Find my post and tell me what you don't understand about it. I am asking you this because the questions you just reposted are meaningless. Those questions have been answered.
What the **** makes you think I don't have time to read the thread? I;ve posted more than anyone else here and have responded to by far more than anyone else. That comment from you is nothing more than you throwing **** in my face and, seriously, is very disrespectful.
I may have been rude to you earlier, but I didn't make a personal attack out if it. Dat Ad Hom.
I clearly can't find where you said what you found scummy or what the scum tell was. It would be nice if you could please post it. I don't actually think you are scum, but I want to understand why you are voting.
Here's the short version: Did all 4 of you who voted for Macius initially vote him simply because he posted a FoS without a vote? Or was there any other reason for voting him at the time?
This is a serious question, because I want to understand why people are voting. I either missed something important, or the players in this game are valuing a specific scum tell more than I do and either way I want to understand the thought process.
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It wasn't the fos itself, it was the rest of the post and his explanation of it afterwards.
I agree with Void that it comes off as disinterested that you don't seem to have read that in how you ask your questions.
Here's a question for you: Do you think Macius is town? If so (or if you're uncertain), was there scum on his wagon? Who?
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Haha, yes, and that's exactly my point. Anyone can say the same thing and be totally free from scrutiny. That's why it's a useless line of questioning.
If you want new material, you'll have to ask some questions that haven't already been answered. For example, reasoning for holding the vote there to get him to claim range.
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