This particular sticks out, and reads like an overt threat.
This seems forced, so to not appear to just be bandwagonning Seppel. And wrong - it's "refuse to answer" or "refuse to get infected". Not, "refuse or you get infected".
Emotions are secondary to the fact he roleslipped in the heat of the moment. I don't see scum using the intel they have to relieve pressure this early. I think the fact he said he was immune makes it more likely he's town than not. I agree emotions alone don't do much.
I really don't give two ****s where anyone goes. I can't be infected anyway. If you want to go to the hospital, go to the hospital. I just feel bad for Iso, that's all.
+++Town. Note most of his posts before this were absolutely terrible and I thought he was scum. But he townslipped hard here.
Totally disagree. His initial attack was forced, gets angry in response, and then resorts to hinting at role information to get people off his back. I don't read that as a townslip at all. It comes off desperate and scummy.
Except I wasn't forcing. You're saying that I was forcing. I'm a pretty transparent player, and I react very poorly to what I perceive to be unfair attention, especially early in Day 1 when there's -actual- nothing to go off of, and nothing for me to point out in my defense. Anyone who's played with me before can tell you this.
Not to mention that I don't think Iso wasn't smart enough to place some measure to deter players from doing this. Learning that there's such a thing as a role that can kill everyone in a location, makes it even more suspect.
You are aware that the ability was a town-aligned ability, yes?
And you are aware that there is nothing in the rules that even hints that this is a bad idea, yes?
Ergo, I'm fine with sacrificing my abilities if it means the scum have to sacrifice theirs as well.
Also im not calling anyone who won't follow this plan scummy, but I am obviously going to question reasons because its obvious to me we should do this and so far the other really good players seem to mostly agree with me.
I see the value in doing it. It reduces the unknown in the game mechanics so that we're actually playing mafia and not obsessing over rules (See days 4 and 5 of Ataghan).
@seppel: As far as I am aware, we do not know what mutations will do. So saying that we will be sacrificing our abilities in exchange for the scum doing so as well doesn't wash.
Not for this plan, for that reason. We'd be exposing (presumably) everybody to a mutation in the otherworld hospital.
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Note that the hospital changes to Fog at the beginning of Day 2, and has a presumably 50% chance of going back to Otherworld on Day 3, then changes back to Fog on Day 4, and has a 100% chance of being in Otherworld on Day 5.
Here's a visual diagram for how infrequently the Otherworld will (potentially) negatively affect us:
~D2~~~D3~~~D4~~~~D5+
[0%] - [50%] - [0%] - [100%]
We can regroup and discuss this later on D4, but for now, HOSPITAL SLUMBER PARTY.
Sweet. I am not surprised RVS ended that quickly, but probably wanted a few more direct answers before it exploded.
To answer the broad questions on the poll: I wanted to generate reactions and see in general players mindset/approach to the game. Myself, I am highly curious on the mechanics on the game, so I expected several responses like Megg. I also expected to see players like Seppel and kpaca who attack the poll. I did expect a SS reaction, but more to come on him.
I suspect that Iso would have something built into the game to stop players from doing exactly this, both because it's a natural player response to clump up at the location of the vaccine, and because it would probably invalidate an inordinate amount of work from the host's perspective.
You sound frustrated for reasons you shouldn't be frustrated about.
It's entirely possible that this whole "ignore half the game" plan has struck a nerve. You're aware I'm working on a setup right now myself -- and if I were in the host's shoes and the players decide to just dodge out on half of the work that I put in, I'd be a little ornery about that.
It's probably just philosophy, but I feel like it isn't a very honorable way to play the game, that's all. As far as the plan itself goes, from a gameplay standpoint, I'm completely indifferent.
The language chosen here feels like a blatant appeal to emotion.
This is a quote by kpaca, but it's more relevant here. Two points:
1. So you can't be infected. Yay. In which case it should make little difference to you whether you go to the hospital or not, no? And more importantly - if you're town, there is a pretty good reason for you to care about the rest of your team going to the hospital or not.
2. kpaca's last observation there is exactly right. You took ages to commit yourself one way or the other to it... and then your final answer (yes, sure, whatever) seems to run counter to how emotionally against it you were presenting yourself as prior to that. Reads like stalling.
Can you see that post as having come from a town viewpoint?
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I can't see any reason for anyone to ask this question.
This != scum motivation.
I certainly would like to know what Shark was thinking when he asked it, because he had to know this was going to escalate into immediate votes.
Well, considering the terminology used and the way the post was phrased, I immediately translate that post to "I have control of the t-virus, and I'm looking to infect people. Who wants to volunteer?" I have reasons to suspect a role like that exists. Given the theme of the game as being survival-horror, would you expect such an individual to be town-aligned?
I also don't like how aggressive DYH is being overall, but there's nothing at this point that wouldn't sound like OMGUS. I've played like a grand total of two-irl-days before he got NK'd in another game, so I can't really say whether he's always this aggressive or not -- but it feels like something that should be watched. Again, I am cognizant that this might just be my ire speaking, in lack of experience with the man.[/QUOTE]
Such self-consciousness. Such a blatant avenue of escape.
@SilverSihhe, again
...riddle me this. You can't be infected... yet you don't seem to want to go to the hospital, which Silent Hill characters/creatures shouldn't mind at all. On top of that, you keep dropping role hints that express broadly that you're from Resident Evil. A quick glance through the wiki doesn't really show me characters who would be both town-aligned and immune to infection from Resident Evil.
I don't think I believe you.
Vote: SilverSihhe
More on the Hospital plan at the end of the post, and more on my role at the end of the post.
Shark expected a response from me because he knew he'd get one. Shark has been in every single game I've played or am currently playing except one, which was Legendary Samurai on Darkness, after everyone was mad when kpaca got banned.
Serious question: who here is familiar with RE, and who here is familiar with Silent Hill?
I've played RE4, tried and hated RE5 because bad game is bad, and watched a friend play RE6. The limit of my Silent Hill knowledge comes from reading wikis before the game started, and some passing knowledge that comes as a result of living a short distance from Centralia (which is the real-life town on which Silent Hill is based).
I really don't give two ****s where anyone goes. I can't be infected anyway. If you want to go to the hospital, go to the hospital. I just feel bad for Iso, that's all.
I know you later say you're okay with going to the hospital, but this quote here tells me that you are not interested in overall coordination just because you personally can't be infected.
Is that a town mindset? I don't believe it is; at least without reason to doubt the effectiveness of the plan.
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Your general indignant attitude gave me pause until I realized you acted more or less the same way in Ataghan.
See also Checks and Balances, where I was town and almost got ran up day 1. That was my first game ever, too.
You know the similarities between that game, Ataghan, and this one? I don't have anything to go off of. Ataghan, by the time I was run up, it was like day 5 and I didn't have notes. I had no reasonable way to defend myself. Checks was a Day-1 scenario exactly like this one. I have no history of town actions to point to and fall back on, because they don't exist yet. In OTR (the mini...second league game), I had a chance to get "set up" if you will. By the time AE attacked me, I was much more comfortable defending myself because I had in-game examples to rely on, and I wasn't just pointing at meta and flailing -- which, in my opinion + from what I've seen when other players go down Day-1, is all you can do.
Also, more on Hospital at the end. I'm just going to address that mess once for everybody rather than repeat myself.
So you're immune to the T-virus, you think someone can make it spread, and you're being obstinate with regards to everyone hiding out at the Hospital, where people are safe from the T-virus.
I don't believe you at all.
Answering this primarily for G_Dan. I didn't want to go into it because I didn't want to have to claim. I was hoping to breadcrumb enough to be left alone, because I consider this to be my first real power role, and I've seen cops and docs, especially, do similar plays on Day-1 if they get in trouble. Which is another thing that makes Wheat (and KCC) look poorer, by the way -- they're both experienced enough players to recognize when a power role is trying to escape claiming, and yet they just keep turning the screws.
So, about my role.
I'm either at L-2, or will be very soon. I can't tell from the votecount at the moment; I didn't sleep well, and I've been in a bad mood all of yesterday because of this game. So, I've reached yolo/**** it point.
The role: does anyone here remember...I think it was Guardman's role, from Magical Girl? Reinforce from Nanoha? Yeah. Pretty much that, except that when I super-power someone, they get to be in a QT with me for as long as I'm alive. An -anytime- QT. This seems insanely powerful to me. As long as I choose well, I can essentially build a super-town within the town.
The flavor: Saddler, and the means of powering someone up? Las Plagas.
Now, I specifically asked Iso about this. Because, as I said, I've played RE4. Saddler is not someone who I would see as being town-aligned in a flavor-based game. The response I received was basically that roles were not randomized, and Saddler was specifically chosen to be town for this game.
Few things make more sense now?
If I can spread Las Plagas, I see ABSOLUTELY ZERO reason why an equivalent role can't exist for t-virus. And, furthermore, I see NO reason why the t-virus role would be town, since I am. I just can't see the game being balanced in the slightest with the town having two of these types of roles. Unless there's like 2 scum and the plan is for the t-virus town and the Las Plagas town to tear each other apart. I dunno.
A note: I'm immune to pathogens, specifically. Not Otherworld effects. That's one reason why I don't particularly want to go to the Hospital. I'm perfectly safe standing in the middle of Raccoon City.
Another note: This is ALSO why I'm more paranoid than usual about design philosophy. I felt like this role is a major responsibility to Iso as soon as I saw it, because I'm specifically in charge of something like 1/3 of the game. If I **** up, which apparently I seem to be REALLY ****ING GOOD AT, then a full 1/3 of the setup goes down the drain with me, which represents hours of work.
Now, while we're on a rampage here:
The sole reason I backed off on the Hospital Plan and said that I would go there (which I never really planned on doing, by the way), is because everyone and their mother is lining up with Kpaca on this.
What's the VERY FIRST THING that Iso did in Ataghan as scum? Anyone?
I have seen scum suggest something en masse that appears to be useful to the town on Day 1 multiple times. I don't like it. I don't like it one bit. I don't like it from a gameplay standpoint -- this game was specifically billed as location-based. The places you go are supposed to matter. I have absolutely no doubts that some roles are stronger in some locations. For all we know, Kpaca is Alessa or the nurse or something, and gets turbo-charged when interacting in the Hospital. That's even ignoring the aforementioned obviousness of it.
I mean really. We're in a survival horror game. What's the first moral of survival horror, other than that the **** and the black guy get killed first? If something sounds too good to be true, it probably is. If there's a shotgun with three boxes of ammo sitting under a lamp in a dark room, YOU'RE GONNA ****IN DIE IF YOU GO FOR IT.
I didn't want to actively speak out against the Hospital plan and bring more attention to myself because I didn't want to claim, but now that I have: seriously. **** this plan. It's a terrible, terrible idea.
And the whole thing about "well, we'll lynch anyone who isn't in the Hospital?" Go Lord of the Flies to someone who cares. What are you so afraid of?
Also, does NOBODY ELSE find it strange that the guy who's siren-calling everyone to go to the same place is also the same guy who first mentioned the Serial Killer and who has been aggressively trying to pass Shark off as such? Nobody? Really?
I'm burned out now. More later if I'm still alive by some miracle. I'm absolutely disgusted.
I'm either at L-2, or will be very soon. I can't tell from the votecount at the moment; I didn't sleep well, and I've been in a bad mood all of yesterday because of this game. So, I've reached yolo/**** it point.
The role: does anyone here remember...I think it was Guardman's role, from Magical Girl? Reinforce from Nanoha? Yeah. Pretty much that, except that when I super-power someone, they get to be in a QT with me for as long as I'm alive. An -anytime- QT. This seems insanely powerful to me. As long as I choose well, I can essentially build a super-town within the town.
The flavor: Saddler, and the means of powering someone up? Las Plagas.
Note that the hospital changes to Fog at the beginning of Day 2, and has a presumably 50% chance of going back to Otherworld on Day 3, then changes back to Fog on Day 4, and has a 100% chance of being in Otherworld on Day 5.
Here's a visual diagram for how infrequently the Otherworld will (potentially) negatively affect us:
~D2~~~D3~~~D4~~~~D5+
[0%] - [50%] - [0%] - [100%]
We can regroup and discuss this later on D4, but for now, HOSPITAL SLUMBER PARTY.
To clarify: All Silent Hill locations change randomly. Meaning there may or may not be a change come Day 2.
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So guess what guys, I'm in the hospital and never ****ing leaving, and everyone should join me in this endeavor.
Do you not consider that ending RVS?
I suppose it had the potential to end RVS, but it's a kpaca post, brimming with casual-remark-ishness (it wasn't until after Shark's post that kpaca emphasized he was serious). And not blatantly scummy. Shark's was an attempt to collect information, and--obviously--was the end of RVS.
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I consider claiming miller immediately SOP. Nothing either direction there, although that was an awfully long explanation for it.
My explanation was primarily for Maokun's benefit, since he asked. But I was also bothered by Cyan's assertion that I was "inviting" a vig shot, so I wanted to show my reasoning for saying what I said.
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Your explanation for voting W_G I find somewhat wanting, however. Be a tad more specific.
All my reasoning had been cited; I didn't feel like I needed to say it again. Wheat made an extreme statement ("Never changing my vote on Shark") then--almost immediately--violated that statement by voting Silver. Reason for that vote was to make him "spill" his claim, carrying not only a threat, but placing emphasis on "spill", making the revelation of the role more important than the alignment of the person attached to it. When questioned on it, he practically admitted that he was voting Silver just to get the claim, and then he was going back to attacking Shark.
Not to mention that I don't think Iso wasn't smart enough to place some measure to deter players from doing this. Learning that there's such a thing as a role that can kill everyone in a location, makes it even more suspect.
You are aware that the ability was a town-aligned ability, yes?
You are aware that we're not in Court Mafia, yes?
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Ergo, I'm fine with sacrificing my abilities if it means the scum have to sacrifice theirs as well.
Except that the rules specify that not every player will gain something when mutated/otherworlded/Las Plagased'd...ed. Why is it definitely a good plan when we don't know if scum will be sacrificing anything? Why should we reduce our options without knowing that we're reducing theirs?
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It reduces the unknown in the game mechanics so that we're actually playing mafia and not obsessing over rules.
I can agree with this, I suppose.
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Oh god, RE1 came out in 1996. Back then it was actually scary instead of hilarious.
@DYH: Could you clarify this exchange for me? Particularly the DNE scum mindset bit.
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Can you see that post as having come from a town viewpoint?
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I can't see any reason for anyone to ask this question.
This != scum motivation.
I certainly would like to know what Shark was thinking when he asked it, because he had to know this was going to escalate into immediate votes.
Why do you think Shark knew his post was going to result in votes on him?
Because it was obvious fishing. Because it was the first serious post in RVS.
I already covered the "!= scum mindset" in my exchange with Shark. In short, the play is bad from either alignment perspective - as it is going to garner votes on him (SF) - that it's just a poor individual play. It did have side effects of generating conversation, cases, etc. though.
To expand a little further: There's no personal advantage gained by making the post - it doesn't make him look "townier".
The role: does anyone here remember...I think it was Guardman's role, from Magical Girl? Reinforce from Nanoha? Yeah. Pretty much that, except that when I super-power someone, they get to be in a QT with me for as long as I'm alive. An -anytime- QT. This seems insanely powerful to me. As long as I choose well, I can essentially build a super-town within the town.
This sounds suspiciously like a cult, rather than an expanding 'Super Town'. I presume neither party gets alignment confirmation, Silver?
I don't know much at all about RE (I did play a few early Silent Hill games, though); but the fact someone basically speculated this role and it exists in that form is a scary proposition.
But isn't it a bit disingenuous to be flavor-gaming when your very own character doesn't fit the bill?
Okay, so... true odds of Otherworld in the Hospital, rounded to ones place, assuming equal odds for each state transition including no transition:
~D2~~~D3~~~~D4~~~D5+
[50%]--[42%]--[35%]--[100%]
Odds for Fog in the hospital:
~D2~~~D3~~~~D4~~~D5+
[50%]--[42%]--[43%]---[0%]
Odds for Normal in the hospital:
~D2~~~D3~~~~D4~~~D5+
[0%]---[16%]--[22%]---[0%]
Does anyone have Las Plagas on their list of abilities/tendencies to gain? I would like to know because if nobody does that I'm 100% convinced that Silver is a Cult Leader. I'm like 80% convinced right now.
The role: does anyone here remember...I think it was Guardman's role, from Magical Girl? Reinforce from Nanoha? Yeah. Pretty much that, except that when I super-power someone, they get to be in a QT with me for as long as I'm alive. An -anytime- QT. This seems insanely powerful to me. As long as I choose well, I can essentially build a super-town within the town.
This sounds suspiciously like a cult, rather than an expanding 'Super Town'. I presume neither party gets alignment confirmation, Silver?
I don't know much at all about RE (I did play a few early Silent Hill games, though); but the fact someone basically speculated this role and it exists in that form is a scary proposition.
But isn't it a bit disingenuous to be flavor-gaming when your very own character doesn't fit the bill?
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Lynch the Cult Leader.
Gut reaction is the same as yours.
No, parties do not get alignment confirmation.
And believe me. I know. I had the same exact thought at first. Like, I don't really have anything to say other than that my PM says I'm town. That's one reason I'm incredibly disgusted with this whole situation. The role is like a combination of Reinforce and a cult leader, but it's a town-aligned role (which, I thought that cult leaders had to be neutrals by definition), AND it's a villain in the RE universe. Nothing about this makes sense to me, and I don't have any way to defend it. All I feel like I can do is sit here and either get cop'd, which is horrible because then that outs the cop just to confirm me, or just wait to get lynched and then when I flip, everyone feels like an idiot and loses a potentially insanely powerful ability.
Basically you're telling me you knew that revealing nothing about your role was your best option, and you were like LET ME HINT ABOUT IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
Just a friendly reminder to nobody in particular *coughdesCourescough* to Unvote before you Vote or your vote change will not count. (I made an exception this time.)
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@kpaca: Are you specifically anti-t-Virus or just pro-hospital? Does The Hospital Plan include everyone vaccinating themselves at earliest opportunity?
Both. I am pro removal of extraneous factors.
I will go into a huge diatribe about why I want to do this after I finish taking a poll, but I think we both know I don't want to do that yet.
And people need to stop saying we wont lynch people who won't follow the plan because that may be the move at some point.
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Basically you're telling me you knew that revealing nothing about your role was your best option, and you were like LET ME HINT ABOUT IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
I've never had a role that was worthy of breadcrumbing, so if I came across as a little heavy-handed, that's my fault. I never wanted to say anything about my role, partially because as soon as I got it I realized that it was a contradiction in terms and would immediately result in my death, which would be bad for the town.
But, like I said, what else can I do on Day-1 when everyone is intent on my death? I need to do SOMETHING. I'm not just going to lay back and accept being mislynched, sorry.
That's an open question. If you're a power role, and you get in trouble on Day-1, what the actual **** are you supposed to do?
@Kpaca -- I love your neutral hunting. You've been doing exactly 2 things this entire game: trying to persuade everyone that your hospital idea is a good one (hint: it's not), and trying to accuse anyone you don't like of being a neutral. I don't like either of those moves as coming from a town perspective.
The role: does anyone here remember...I think it was Guardman's role, from Magical Girl? Reinforce from Nanoha? Yeah. Pretty much that, except that when I super-power someone, they get to be in a QT with me for as long as I'm alive. An -anytime- QT. This seems insanely powerful to me. As long as I choose well, I can essentially build a super-town within the town.
Just to make sure I understand, QT = QuickTopic or something else?
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If I can spread Las Plagas, I see ABSOLUTELY ZERO reason why an equivalent role can't exist for t-virus. And, furthermore, I see NO reason why the t-virus role would be town, since I am.
Given all the blatant, established ways to get infected, do you think it likely that a role that spreads t-Virus exists?
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Another note: This is ALSO why I'm more paranoid than usual about design philosophy. I felt like this role is a major responsibility to Iso as soon as I saw it, because I'm specifically in charge of something like 1/3 of the game. If I **** up, which apparently I seem to be REALLY ****ING GOOD AT, then a full 1/3 of the setup goes down the drain with me, which represents hours of work.
It's very kind of you to be so considerate to Iso, but if Iso put "like 1/3 of the game" in the hands of a single player--ANY player--then he knew the risks he was taking. As it is, it sounds like not everyone has a "Las Plagas" status change, in which case, it's much less than "A WHOLE THIRD!!!1!" and much closer to the kind of impact a cult leader would have.
Given that part of your role would be figuring out who has those changes and zoning in on them, I don't think that players should so willingly indicate whether they have a Las Plagas activation or not until we decide if we're going to keep you around AND if giving you that information is a good idea.
I don't know much at all about RE (I did play a few early Silent Hill games, though); but the fact someone basically speculated this role and it exists in that form is a scary proposition.
Actually, I'd be surprised if anyone who's played the entirety of RE4 didn't think, right as the game was announced, gee, Saddler'd be the perfect cult leader. Seeing the "Las Plagas" element in the sample town role just reinforced that.
All I feel like I can do is sit here and either get cop'd, which is horrible because then that outs the cop just to confirm me, or just wait to get lynched and then when I flip, everyone feels like an idiot and loses a potentially insanely powerful ability.
It's lose-lose from my perspective.
If we're keeping you around, then you getting copped doesn't (immediately) out the cop (unless the plan is to keep you around so that we can cop you and out the cop...and that's a bad plan).
Does anyone have Las Plagas on their list of abilities/tendencies to gain? I would like to know because if nobody does that I'm 100% convinced that Silver is a Cult Leader. I'm like 80% convinced right now.
Or, you know, you could look at the SAMPLE TOWN ROLE POSTED AT THE START OF THE GAME, WHERE IT'S SPELLED OUT IN BLACK AND WHITE. Why are you doing the Cult Leader's job for him?
Yeah, probably the safer way to go (says the miller :-/). Especially since you're already espousing a reduction in complexity.
EWP:
@kpaca: I'm open to discussing lynching those that don't join you at the hospital, I'm just not down with that being a foregone conclusion.
@Seppel: You've explained why it might be a good idea. You've convinced me it's a good idea if a majority of town are better at behavioral analysis than they are at using the non-analysis tools of the game. Me? I still like having the crutch of those tools to fall back on when my analysis fails me.
Basically you're telling me you knew that revealing nothing about your role was your best option, and you were like LET ME HINT ABOUT IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
I've never had a role that was worthy of breadcrumbing, so if I came across as a little heavy-handed, that's my fault. I never wanted to say anything about my role, partially because as soon as I got it I realized that it was a contradiction in terms and would immediately result in my death, which would be bad for the town.
But, like I said, what else can I do on Day-1 when everyone is intent on my death? I need to do SOMETHING. I'm not just going to lay back and accept being mislynched, sorry.
That's an open question. If you're a power role, and you get in trouble on Day-1, what the actual **** are you supposed to do?
@Kpaca -- I love your neutral hunting. You've been doing exactly 2 things this entire game: trying to persuade everyone that your hospital idea is a good one (hint: it's not), and trying to accuse anyone you don't like of being a neutral. I don't like either of those moves as coming from a town perspective.
What?
I'm only accusing you of being a neutral wtf are you talking about? What a weak attempt.
Dude. Ur weak.
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@cantripmancer: that is a totally fair and town opinion to have. I am really starting to ignore your millet claim in favor of just analyzing you as hard as I can and so far so good for you.
I agree lynchingfor refusal to adhere to the plan isnt/shouldnt be a forgone conclusion but I just want to be clear that it is an option for us to choose from, and like I said, may be the move.
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Or, you know, you could look at the SAMPLE TOWN ROLE POSTED AT THE START OF THE GAME, WHERE IT'S SPELLED OUT IN BLACK AND WHITE. Why are you doing the Cult Leader's job for him?
I wanted to know if there was an actual player who got abilities from it.
But screw it. SS is acting like a third party who is annoyed at being caught on Day 1. I've been there bro, I know them feels.
@cantripmancer: that is a totally fair and town opinion to have. I am really starting to ignore your millet claim in favor of just analyzing you as hard as I can and so far so good for you.
Aaaaahhhhhh! Aaaaaahhhhhhh! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh! kpaca's being nice to me! Lynch him! Lynch him!
Also, I'm a person who owns or operates a mill that grinds grain into flour, not the "business up front, party in the back" haircut.
Or, you know, you could look at the SAMPLE TOWN ROLE POSTED AT THE START OF THE GAME, WHERE IT'S SPELLED OUT IN BLACK AND WHITE. Why are you doing the Cult Leader's job for him?
I wanted to know if there was an actual player who got abilities from it.
Seriously? I thought the trend had moved away from allowing blatant mod-bastardry.
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But screw it. SS is acting like a third party who is annoyed at being caught on Day 1. I've been there bro, I know them feels.
I agree that SS is not mafia or on an anti-town team; however, I disagree with the conclusion he is not town. He is behaving like frustrated town and I will not be the lynching vote. I'll look again at his wagon in some point to see who I particularly dislike the votes from.
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Plus, I'm pretty sure that it's considered acceptable play to claim miller at any point D1 that still allows for discussion. It's claiming it D2/later/post-being-investigated that is questionable.
And people need to stop saying we wont lynch people who won't follow the plan because that may be the move at some point.
You'll need to convince me when we get there.
@Infected players: Would one of you mind stepping forward to explain what sort of effect that has? (Just one, I don't want a mini mass claim here. And the description can be vague.)
@CM: It should have been clear that I was seeking further explanation from Kpaca. 'Go to the Hospital because I'm Kpaca and I said so' is not a good enough reason for me, nor should it be for anyone. Additionally, making threats like 'people that don't move to the Hospital might get lynched for not doing so' is a complete joke. I'm not saying that I'm not willing to go there, I'm saying that I require a logically compelling reason to do so.
As far as SS goes...his play has been so bad so far that, if he were scum, I assume he would have just flatly claimed it by this point. I think he is town and just playing very poorly under pressure.
@CM: It should have been clear that I was seeking further explanation from Kpaca. 'Go to the Hospital because I'm Kpaca and I said so' is not a good enough reason for me, nor should it be for anyone. Additionally, making threats like 'people that don't move to the Hospital might get lynched for not doing so' is a complete joke. I'm not saying that I'm not willing to go there, I'm saying that I require a logically compelling reason to do so.
Fair point, but you certainly circled around getting there. Holy smokes, man, what happened to "direct-and-to-the-point-Cyan"?
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As far as SS goes...his play has been so bad so far that, if he were scum, I assume he would have just flatly claimed it by this point. I think he is town and just playing very poorly under pressure.
Silver's claim doesn't do much for me. That 'emotional explosion' doesn't sound convincing, either. And while his stated reason for being against the hospital plan isn't actually bad, it is bad that he didn't just come straight out and say 'no, I don't trust you, kpaca'.
And speaking of kpaca and Seppel... given the opening post, I'm not convinced this plan actually has the effect you seem to think and/or claim it does.
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@CM: It should have been clear that I was seeking further explanation from Kpaca. 'Go to the Hospital because I'm Kpaca and I said so' is not a good enough reason for me, nor should it be for anyone. Additionally, making threats like 'people that don't move to the Hospital might get lynched for not doing so' is a complete joke. I'm not saying that I'm not willing to go there, I'm saying that I require a logically compelling reason to do so.
@CM: It should have been clear that I was seeking further explanation from Kpaca. 'Go to the Hospital because I'm Kpaca and I said so' is not a good enough reason for me, nor should it be for anyone. Additionally, making threats like 'people that don't move to the Hospital might get lynched for not doing so' is a complete joke. I'm not saying that I'm not willing to go there, I'm saying that I require a logically compelling reason to do so.
I already gave one, less than a page ago.
Wrong. The hospital has two caveats - it cannot become a t-virus infected zone, and a player can cure himself of the t-virus there. It does not say that a player cannot become infected while at the hospital, from targeting or being targeted by an infected player. Additionally, curing oneself of the virus requires a night's action.
This isn't even going into how in the world accountability is supposed to work with this plan.
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It does not say that a player cannot become infected while at the hospital, from targeting or being targeted by an infected player. Additionally, curing oneself of the virus requires a night's action.
Then, assuming that anti-town roles are the only ones who want to infect other players, we should take a poll now and ask who's infected.
In fact, the N1 action for any townie who is infected should be: Move to hospital, cure self.
@CM: It should have been clear that I was seeking further explanation from Kpaca. 'Go to the Hospital because I'm Kpaca and I said so' is not a good enough reason for me, nor should it be for anyone. Additionally, making threats like 'people that don't move to the Hospital might get lynched for not doing so' is a complete joke. I'm not saying that I'm not willing to go there, I'm saying that I require a logically compelling reason to do so.
As far as SS goes...his play has been so bad so far that, if he were scum, I assume he would have just flatly claimed it by this point. I think he is town and just playing very poorly under pressure.
Ha no. This is scum cyan.
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He says "it should be obvious" and follows that up with a bunch of bologna that he just made up on the spot cause he's not really paying attention and winging it. This is pretty much his exactly gameplay from Indiana Jones when I nailed him as scum despite his false claim of doc. Nothing cyan has said all game makes it obvious that he needed further explanation from me, and additionally he is quite obviously skimming the thread.
Day 1, 1 definate scum and 1 cult leader. I rock.
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Assume 6 anti-town roles, that gives us 5 scum, 1 CL, and 12 townies.
Unless we manage to lynch the entire scumteam, we can force them to have to deal with the cult. And since Silver is fully outed as the CL, there's nothing they can do except force themselves to expend a NK dealing with the CL.
Congratulations on summarizing everyone else's thoughts. Please make me think you're town.
Also you should know what I think about Wheat.
Something has changed about Cyan recently in mafia games. I don't know what, but something has changed.
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Yes.
And you were scum.
Please expound on this.
You are aware that the ability was a town-aligned ability, yes?
And you are aware that there is nothing in the rules that even hints that this is a bad idea, yes?
Ergo, I'm fine with sacrificing my abilities if it means the scum have to sacrifice theirs as well.
Stop being so paranoid about a good plan.
I see the value in doing it. It reduces the unknown in the game mechanics so that we're actually playing mafia and not obsessing over rules (See days 4 and 5 of Ataghan).
I'm familiar with RE1, RE2, and SH2. I've played 2 hours of both SH1 and SH3.
I would imagine that the Tyrant or some sort of One Weskered Angel would be immune to the T-virus.
Oh god, RE1 came out in 1996. Back then it was actually scary instead of hilarious.
In other news, Dan is downgraded to
Not for this plan, for that reason. We'd be exposing (presumably) everybody to a mutation in the otherworld hospital.
Here's a visual diagram for how infrequently the Otherworld will (potentially) negatively affect us:
~D2~~~D3~~~D4~~~~D5+
[0%] - [50%] - [0%] - [100%]
We can regroup and discuss this later on D4, but for now, HOSPITAL SLUMBER PARTY.
More on the Hospital plan at the end of the post, and more on my role at the end of the post.
Shark expected a response from me because he knew he'd get one. Shark has been in every single game I've played or am currently playing except one, which was Legendary Samurai on Darkness, after everyone was mad when kpaca got banned.
I've played RE4, tried and hated RE5 because bad game is bad, and watched a friend play RE6. The limit of my Silent Hill knowledge comes from reading wikis before the game started, and some passing knowledge that comes as a result of living a short distance from Centralia (which is the real-life town on which Silent Hill is based).
See also Checks and Balances, where I was town and almost got ran up day 1. That was my first game ever, too.
You know the similarities between that game, Ataghan, and this one? I don't have anything to go off of. Ataghan, by the time I was run up, it was like day 5 and I didn't have notes. I had no reasonable way to defend myself. Checks was a Day-1 scenario exactly like this one. I have no history of town actions to point to and fall back on, because they don't exist yet. In OTR (the mini...second league game), I had a chance to get "set up" if you will. By the time AE attacked me, I was much more comfortable defending myself because I had in-game examples to rely on, and I wasn't just pointing at meta and flailing -- which, in my opinion + from what I've seen when other players go down Day-1, is all you can do.
Also, more on Hospital at the end. I'm just going to address that mess once for everybody rather than repeat myself.
Answering this primarily for G_Dan. I didn't want to go into it because I didn't want to have to claim. I was hoping to breadcrumb enough to be left alone, because I consider this to be my first real power role, and I've seen cops and docs, especially, do similar plays on Day-1 if they get in trouble. Which is another thing that makes Wheat (and KCC) look poorer, by the way -- they're both experienced enough players to recognize when a power role is trying to escape claiming, and yet they just keep turning the screws.
So, about my role.
I'm either at L-2, or will be very soon. I can't tell from the votecount at the moment; I didn't sleep well, and I've been in a bad mood all of yesterday because of this game. So, I've reached yolo/**** it point.
The role: does anyone here remember...I think it was Guardman's role, from Magical Girl? Reinforce from Nanoha? Yeah. Pretty much that, except that when I super-power someone, they get to be in a QT with me for as long as I'm alive. An -anytime- QT. This seems insanely powerful to me. As long as I choose well, I can essentially build a super-town within the town.
The flavor: Saddler, and the means of powering someone up? Las Plagas.
Now, I specifically asked Iso about this. Because, as I said, I've played RE4. Saddler is not someone who I would see as being town-aligned in a flavor-based game. The response I received was basically that roles were not randomized, and Saddler was specifically chosen to be town for this game.
Few things make more sense now?
If I can spread Las Plagas, I see ABSOLUTELY ZERO reason why an equivalent role can't exist for t-virus. And, furthermore, I see NO reason why the t-virus role would be town, since I am. I just can't see the game being balanced in the slightest with the town having two of these types of roles. Unless there's like 2 scum and the plan is for the t-virus town and the Las Plagas town to tear each other apart. I dunno.
A note: I'm immune to pathogens, specifically. Not Otherworld effects. That's one reason why I don't particularly want to go to the Hospital. I'm perfectly safe standing in the middle of Raccoon City.
Another note: This is ALSO why I'm more paranoid than usual about design philosophy. I felt like this role is a major responsibility to Iso as soon as I saw it, because I'm specifically in charge of something like 1/3 of the game. If I **** up, which apparently I seem to be REALLY ****ING GOOD AT, then a full 1/3 of the setup goes down the drain with me, which represents hours of work.
Now, while we're on a rampage here:
The sole reason I backed off on the Hospital Plan and said that I would go there (which I never really planned on doing, by the way), is because everyone and their mother is lining up with Kpaca on this.
What's the VERY FIRST THING that Iso did in Ataghan as scum? Anyone?
I have seen scum suggest something en masse that appears to be useful to the town on Day 1 multiple times. I don't like it. I don't like it one bit. I don't like it from a gameplay standpoint -- this game was specifically billed as location-based. The places you go are supposed to matter. I have absolutely no doubts that some roles are stronger in some locations. For all we know, Kpaca is Alessa or the nurse or something, and gets turbo-charged when interacting in the Hospital. That's even ignoring the aforementioned obviousness of it.
I mean really. We're in a survival horror game. What's the first moral of survival horror, other than that the **** and the black guy get killed first? If something sounds too good to be true, it probably is. If there's a shotgun with three boxes of ammo sitting under a lamp in a dark room, YOU'RE GONNA ****IN DIE IF YOU GO FOR IT.
I didn't want to actively speak out against the Hospital plan and bring more attention to myself because I didn't want to claim, but now that I have: seriously. **** this plan. It's a terrible, terrible idea.
And the whole thing about "well, we'll lynch anyone who isn't in the Hospital?" Go Lord of the Flies to someone who cares. What are you so afraid of?
Also, does NOBODY ELSE find it strange that the guy who's siren-calling everyone to go to the same place is also the same guy who first mentioned the Serial Killer and who has been aggressively trying to pass Shark off as such? Nobody? Really?
I'm burned out now. More later if I'm still alive by some miracle. I'm absolutely disgusted.
Houston, we have a problem, here.
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
To clarify: All Silent Hill locations change randomly. Meaning there may or may not be a change come Day 2.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
I suppose it had the potential to end RVS, but it's a kpaca post, brimming with casual-remark-ishness (it wasn't until after Shark's post that kpaca emphasized he was serious). And not blatantly scummy. Shark's was an attempt to collect information, and--obviously--was the end of RVS.
My explanation was primarily for Maokun's benefit, since he asked. But I was also bothered by Cyan's assertion that I was "inviting" a vig shot, so I wanted to show my reasoning for saying what I said.
All my reasoning had been cited; I didn't feel like I needed to say it again. Wheat made an extreme statement ("Never changing my vote on Shark") then--almost immediately--violated that statement by voting Silver. Reason for that vote was to make him "spill" his claim, carrying not only a threat, but placing emphasis on "spill", making the revelation of the role more important than the alignment of the person attached to it. When questioned on it, he practically admitted that he was voting Silver just to get the claim, and then he was going back to attacking Shark.
You are aware that we're not in Court Mafia, yes?
Except that the rules specify that not every player will gain something when mutated/otherworlded/Las Plagased'd...ed. Why is it definitely a good plan when we don't know if scum will be sacrificing anything? Why should we reduce our options without knowing that we're reducing theirs?
I can agree with this, I suppose.
What are you talking about? It's still scary.
Because it was obvious fishing. Because it was the first serious post in RVS.
I already covered the "!= scum mindset" in my exchange with Shark. In short, the play is bad from either alignment perspective - as it is going to garner votes on him (SF) - that it's just a poor individual play. It did have side effects of generating conversation, cases, etc. though.
To expand a little further: There's no personal advantage gained by making the post - it doesn't make him look "townier".
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
This sounds suspiciously like a cult, rather than an expanding 'Super Town'. I presume neither party gets alignment confirmation, Silver?
I don't know much at all about RE (I did play a few early Silent Hill games, though); but the fact someone basically speculated this role and it exists in that form is a scary proposition.
But isn't it a bit disingenuous to be flavor-gaming when your very own character doesn't fit the bill?
Gut reaction is the same as yours.
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
~D2~~~D3~~~~D4~~~D5+
[50%]--[42%]--[35%]--[100%]
Odds for Fog in the hospital:
~D2~~~D3~~~~D4~~~D5+
[50%]--[42%]--[43%]---[0%]
Odds for Normal in the hospital:
~D2~~~D3~~~~D4~~~D5+
[0%]---[16%]--[22%]---[0%]
Does anyone have Las Plagas on their list of abilities/tendencies to gain? I would like to know because if nobody does that I'm 100% convinced that Silver is a Cult Leader. I'm like 80% convinced right now.
No, parties do not get alignment confirmation.
And believe me. I know. I had the same exact thought at first. Like, I don't really have anything to say other than that my PM says I'm town. That's one reason I'm incredibly disgusted with this whole situation. The role is like a combination of Reinforce and a cult leader, but it's a town-aligned role (which, I thought that cult leaders had to be neutrals by definition), AND it's a villain in the RE universe. Nothing about this makes sense to me, and I don't have any way to defend it. All I feel like I can do is sit here and either get cop'd, which is horrible because then that outs the cop just to confirm me, or just wait to get lynched and then when I flip, everyone feels like an idiot and loses a potentially insanely powerful ability.
It's lose-lose from my perspective.
Your reasoning makes no damn sense.
Prophylaxis (1): Megiddo
AsianInvasion (1): Magenta
SilverSihhe (8): DYH, kpaca, Seppel, Wheat_Grinder, Archmage Eternal, KittyCupCake, desCoures, AlphaInsidious (L-2)
Wheat_Grinder (6): Cyan, SilverSihhe, AsianInvasion, Cantripmancer, ganderin_dan, SharkFinnigan
With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.
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Just a friendly reminder to nobody in particular *coughdesCourescough* to Unvote before you Vote or your vote change will not count. (I made an exception this time.)
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Maokun is the only person not voting.
Burn the cult leader at the stake says I!
Both. I am pro removal of extraneous factors.
I will go into a huge diatribe about why I want to do this after I finish taking a poll, but I think we both know I don't want to do that yet.
And people need to stop saying we wont lynch people who won't follow the plan because that may be the move at some point.
I've never had a role that was worthy of breadcrumbing, so if I came across as a little heavy-handed, that's my fault. I never wanted to say anything about my role, partially because as soon as I got it I realized that it was a contradiction in terms and would immediately result in my death, which would be bad for the town.
But, like I said, what else can I do on Day-1 when everyone is intent on my death? I need to do SOMETHING. I'm not just going to lay back and accept being mislynched, sorry.
That's an open question. If you're a power role, and you get in trouble on Day-1, what the actual **** are you supposed to do?
@Kpaca -- I love your neutral hunting. You've been doing exactly 2 things this entire game: trying to persuade everyone that your hospital idea is a good one (hint: it's not), and trying to accuse anyone you don't like of being a neutral. I don't like either of those moves as coming from a town perspective.
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What you did wasn't breadcrumb, it was dumping the whole truck of Wonder Bread onto the road.
Explain why it isn't.
I've certainly explained why it is.
Just to make sure I understand, QT = QuickTopic or something else?
Given all the blatant, established ways to get infected, do you think it likely that a role that spreads t-Virus exists?
It's very kind of you to be so considerate to Iso, but if Iso put "like 1/3 of the game" in the hands of a single player--ANY player--then he knew the risks he was taking. As it is, it sounds like not everyone has a "Las Plagas" status change, in which case, it's much less than "A WHOLE THIRD!!!1!" and much closer to the kind of impact a cult leader would have.
Given that part of your role would be figuring out who has those changes and zoning in on them, I don't think that players should so willingly indicate whether they have a Las Plagas activation or not until we decide if we're going to keep you around AND if giving you that information is a good idea.
Actually, I'd be surprised if anyone who's played the entirety of RE4 didn't think, right as the game was announced, gee, Saddler'd be the perfect cult leader. Seeing the "Las Plagas" element in the sample town role just reinforced that.
If we're keeping you around, then you getting copped doesn't (immediately) out the cop (unless the plan is to keep you around so that we can cop you and out the cop...and that's a bad plan).
Also, nice fearmongering.
Or, you know, you could look at the SAMPLE TOWN ROLE POSTED AT THE START OF THE GAME, WHERE IT'S SPELLED OUT IN BLACK AND WHITE. Why are you doing the Cult Leader's job for him?
Yeah, probably the safer way to go (says the miller :-/). Especially since you're already espousing a reduction in complexity.
EWP:
@kpaca: I'm open to discussing lynching those that don't join you at the hospital, I'm just not down with that being a foregone conclusion.
@Seppel: You've explained why it might be a good idea. You've convinced me it's a good idea if a majority of town are better at behavioral analysis than they are at using the non-analysis tools of the game. Me? I still like having the crutch of those tools to fall back on when my analysis fails me.
What?
I'm only accusing you of being a neutral wtf are you talking about? What a weak attempt.
Dude. Ur weak.
Hint: ur weak
I agree lynchingfor refusal to adhere to the plan isnt/shouldnt be a forgone conclusion but I just want to be clear that it is an option for us to choose from, and like I said, may be the move.
I wanted to know if there was an actual player who got abilities from it.
But screw it. SS is acting like a third party who is annoyed at being caught on Day 1. I've been there bro, I know them feels.
Lol
Aaaaahhhhhh! Aaaaaahhhhhhh! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh! kpaca's being nice to me! Lynch him! Lynch him!
Also, I'm a person who owns or operates a mill that grinds grain into flour, not the "business up front, party in the back" haircut.
Seriously? I thought the trend had moved away from allowing blatant mod-bastardry.
Yeah.
Yeah.
—Lazav
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Mafia Stats
Summary:
Total Win %: 40%
Total Scum Win %: 60%
Total Town Win %: 20%
Total Neutral Win %: 0%
Related to the theme of the game: Yes.
Role-related/things unknown to all other players: No. That would probably be the equivalent of thanking posts.
Thanks for checking though.
—Lazav
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Mafia Stats
Summary:
Total Win %: 40%
Total Scum Win %: 60%
Total Town Win %: 20%
Total Neutral Win %: 0%
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Mafia Stats
Summary:
Total Win %: 40%
Total Scum Win %: 60%
Total Town Win %: 20%
Total Neutral Win %: 0%
I'm reading you as town so far anyway.
According to the rules, every infected player who has an ability is that role for the t-virus.
-And it doesn't immediately make me think he can't be town. Actually, I'd be more than happy for him to Las Plagas me (I think).
You'll need to convince me when we get there.
@Infected players: Would one of you mind stepping forward to explain what sort of effect that has? (Just one, I don't want a mini mass claim here. And the description can be vague.)
As far as SS goes...his play has been so bad so far that, if he were scum, I assume he would have just flatly claimed it by this point. I think he is town and just playing very poorly under pressure.
Fair point, but you certainly circled around getting there. Holy smokes, man, what happened to "direct-and-to-the-point-Cyan"?
I think you're missing an option here.
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
And speaking of kpaca and Seppel... given the opening post, I'm not convinced this plan actually has the effect you seem to think and/or claim it does.
Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...'
Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
I already gave one, less than a page ago.
Wrong. The hospital has two caveats - it cannot become a t-virus infected zone, and a player can cure himself of the t-virus there. It does not say that a player cannot become infected while at the hospital, from targeting or being targeted by an infected player. Additionally, curing oneself of the virus requires a night's action.
This isn't even going into how in the world accountability is supposed to work with this plan.
Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...'
Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
Then, assuming that anti-town roles are the only ones who want to infect other players, we should take a poll now and ask who's infected.
In fact, the N1 action for any townie who is infected should be: Move to hospital, cure self.
Ha no. This is scum cyan.
unvote: vote cyan
Day 1, 1 definate scum and 1 cult leader. I rock.
I'd be okay with that plan, as long as SS is open with who he recruits.
Unless we manage to lynch the entire scumteam, we can force them to have to deal with the cult. And since Silver is fully outed as the CL, there's nothing they can do except force themselves to expend a NK dealing with the CL.
I am suddenly liking this plan.