I figured you guys missed me. Luckily, I'm in my Boston hotel room sick, so I can push some work out.
Megs I took no action on a kill night, so I can't be an SK (and it's highly unlikely that I'm mafia, considering how underpowered they've seemed so far that it would make me another goon).
I'm going to say:
Dan
Seppel (role really shouldn't be scum/SK, modgaming be damned)
Void (flushing AI right down the tubes seemed uneeded considering the relative inexperience of the scum team thus far)
Tom (role really shouldn't be scum, SK is a long shot)
Voxx (claimed kill pretty early, Razor says he wouldn't hold kills back, self-vote very early, town game. Gut says he's town, but I can't reasonably rank him over Tom in a list)
Rick/Megs (townie behavior, but last vanilla)
EtR (the RB clears nothing, considering the mafia or SK NKs could just not be impacted by RBs)
/barn Seppel re: the letter "T," and the bad play issue. It's not a direct indicator of alignment in either direction, but an inexperienced mistake if town, and a silly play if scum.
TeH JeY's posts have been getting better.
I think the AI questioning, while well-intended, will not lead anywhere productive.
Still don't get how you can /barn someone on a point and then go on to say that the point won't lead anywhere.
That last line is really bad. Line about JeY doesn't appeal to me either.
If the remaining is a SK, however, I think it is probably Voxx due to that kill on night 1.
Beyond that Meg is a possible SK/Scum. EtR is less likely due to the RB and being the alternate wagon to LoT. Void and Seppel are town.
I'm fine with a Vox or G_d lynch, possibly with a Meg lynch.
Megs I took no action on a kill night, so I can't be an SK (and it's highly unlikely that I'm mafia, considering how underpowered they've seemed so far that it would make me another goon).
OH!
I was thinking it was some stupid activity tracking thing, like you hadn't logged on or something, and I was going to be all :no:.
I think you're referring to being tracked by Rhand though.
What are your thoughts about the possibility we've been discussing of a serial killer that has been doing nothing all game?
Been exceedingly, excruciatingly, obviously town since Day 1.
Looking back at your posts I can see why everyone has thought you to be Town. I sure did until I took closer look at your posts. More to come on this soon.
I once read a conversation between Seppel (IIRC) and Guardman about how Neutrals act in game and what to look for. The general concept behind the tell was showing that the player was focusing more on their self/their agenda. This is what I am going to show in this post along with some posts that raised my eyebrow.
@Wessel: Two reasons. One is that I like starting wagons, since that's how we'll actually get anything accomplished this game. Two is that I like to see what people will say to something like that (see: swishh).
This post is Santorum beginning to show a sign of his own agenda, but I can know that just one post isn’t significant enough to prove anything.
Can you give your thoughts on the following players?
Kill-joy
Cyouni
Lord of Tresserhorn
AlphaInsidious
Swishh
Anaklusmos
No. Come back when you have something useful to ask me.
This is the post from Santorum that gave Voxx his town read on Santorum for refusing to answer. While this normally a town a trait it does show that Santorum is focusing on himself/his own agenda by refusing to answer the question.
the answer to your question is that I strongly dislike your town game.
and I will do what I want, which is currently "delay rereading because this game is boring."
“Do what I want” which is going by his own agenda. Also forcing others to wait for “reread” that never comes… at least Santorum never posted he did a reread of the game thread with exception to one post and in that post he only had four questions from recent posts.
IB is almost certainly scum based on behavior and this tracking result by Rhand. I think it's possible that we don't have an SK given that we had only one kill last Night—it matches Voxxicus's story that he's a 1-shot vig. The other possibility is that he is the SK and hit a protect last Night, but that's secondary.
Santorum is the first player to try and dissuade the possibility of a SK. The reasoning for why this possible is WIFOM. At least Santorum covered the aspects.
Seppel, Tom, and Voxxicus are all confirmed town now. We know we're up against a scum roleblocker now, which means that none of these three proven PRs can be the last one. There's also definitively no SK at this point, though we had already reached that point.
He originally states that Voxx could be the SK, but at the same time might not be. Now he is calling Voxx confirmed town which is still not the case. And now he is certain that a SK does not exist in this game.
Yep, I think it comes down to Jey* Rick Santorum right now, which for me means Jey. PR lying speculation is just that—speculation. Please keep it in mind for if Jey flips town though.
vote jey
I'll consent to being lynched Today if people are less certain on me, though.
6 would be too much? But Santorum just said a SK doesn’t exist in the game.
tl;dr: Either Santorum is off his rocker this game or there is something he has to hide.
I once read a conversation between Seppel (IIRC) and Guardman about how Neutrals act in game and what to look for. The general concept behind the tell was showing that the player was focusing more on their self/their agenda. This is what I am going to show in this post along with some posts that raised my eyebrow.
@Wessel: Two reasons. One is that I like starting wagons, since that's how we'll actually get anything accomplished this game. Two is that I like to see what people will say to something like that (see: swishh).
This post is Santorum beginning to show a sign of his own agenda, but I can know that just one post isn’t significant enough to prove anything.
Which "agenda" is this that I have? Note that starting wagons and reading reactions are of benefit to the town, since they generate content that can be analyzed.
Can you give your thoughts on the following players?
Kill-joy
Cyouni
Lord of Tresserhorn
AlphaInsidious
Swishh
Anaklusmos
No. Come back when you have something useful to ask me.
This is the post from Santorum that gave Voxx his town read on Santorum for refusing to answer. While this normally a town a trait it does show that Santorum is focusing on himself/his own agenda by refusing to answer the question.
So far we have hit two townie behaviors in a row, so I don't see the pattern.
I think you are reaching pretty significantly here, honestly.
I have no problem with people getting a read on me. I DO have a problem with doing meaningless busywork.
If it takes me doing meaningless busywork for you to get a read on a me, I suggest you find a different scumhunting method.
More focus on himself and telling another player to find a different way to read him. This feels strongly like Santorum is trying to hide something.
I will grant that this post is definitely all about me. But when Cyouni asks me a direct question about my play, I'm going to talk about myself. It's only natural. I was answering his question.
I don't see how that second paragraph, about finding another scumhunting method, is me trying to hide anything. It's essentially me reiterating that I'm not going to go fetch when there's zero point to doing so, but in a different way.
More focus on what Santorum wants to do, but this time with a stipulation.
These consecutive posts from Santorum also show a slight jumpiness or forgetfulness with the EBWODP to Vote for Eron.
... Ok, yes, I wanted to do something. Townies do that, you know. It's called "leading the town," which I haven't really been doing much of this game, but I struggle to see how this is even remotely indicative of a third-party mindset.
I also don't think you're seeing jumpiness in there. Dan had just replaced in. I didn't want to end the Day until he had posted, which is that "I'd be voting if not for this" comment. But, as I'm typing that, Dan nath's me saying that we should just go ahead and he'll catch up at Night. I'm fine with this, and I place the vote that I was going to be placing anyway.
So... Not sure how that's jumpiness... or forgetfulness. I very clearly knew exactly what was going on.
the answer to your question is that I strongly dislike your town game.
and I will do what I want, which is currently "delay rereading because this game is boring."
“Do what I want” which is going by his own agenda. Also forcing others to wait for “reread” that never comes… at least Santorum never posted he did a reread of the game thread with exception to one post and in that post he only had four questions from recent posts.
I am still in the process of rereading. I had a friend over (KoolKoal, actually) at my house for the past four days for GP Pittsburgh, and haven't really had a chance to sit down and reread. Yes, I've been delaying it... but I've been busy lately.
IB is almost certainly scum based on behavior and this tracking result by Rhand. I think it's possible that we don't have an SK given that we had only one kill last Night—it matches Voxxicus's story that he's a 1-shot vig. The other possibility is that he is the SK and hit a protect last Night, but that's secondary.
Santorum is the first player to try and dissuade the possibility of a SK. The reasoning for why this possible is WIFOM. At least Santorum covered the aspects.
This (and the subsequent posts in your post here) make no sense. Remember the timeline: At the time of all of these posts, we had seen only one kill for three Nights in a row. What does that indicate to you? Also, you're trying to catch me on changing my opinion when a very significant fact changed— At the time we were lynching IB, we didn't know how many scum there were. The possibility of an SK rather than a fifth member was there. Afterwards, where I declared Voxx confirmed town, was after IB had flipped and definitively revealed the existence of a fifth scum. At that point, still with only one kill per Night, the razor said that there were no additional anti-town killing roles. That post represented my thoughts before getting the Night action results. I was trying to do POE.
As for "six would be too much," that was specifically referring to a sixth scum member in my brain, though I can definitely see the confusion there.
Seppel, Tom, and Voxxicus are all confirmed town now. We know we're up against a scum roleblocker now, which means that none of these three proven PRs can be the last one. There's also definitively no SK at this point, though we had already reached that point.
He originally states that Voxx could be the SK, but at the same time might not be. Now he is calling Voxx confirmed town which is still not the case. And now he is certain that a SK does not exist in this game.
Yep, I think it comes down to Jey* Rick Santorum right now, which for me means Jey. PR lying speculation is just that—speculation. Please keep it in mind for if Jey flips town though.
vote jey
I'll consent to being lynched Today if people are less certain on me, though.
6 would be too much? But Santorum just said a SK doesn’t exist in the game.
tl;dr: Either Santorum is off his rocker this game or there is something he has to hide.
Tell me, Tom, do you think the last person we're looking for is an SK or mafia?
I think a SK (why do I also have the urge to write "an SK" even though serial starts with "S"?) because 6 scum seems like too much. 5 scum and a SK seems like too much as well, even with the PRs we had, but it feels more reasonable.
Scum double voters, in particular, are often limited.
I've been ruminating, and have realized that there is a theoretical possible path the non-Voxxicus SK could have taken to arrive where we are now:
Night 1: Cyouni protects (somebody), SK attempts to kill them.
Night 2: Void protects Seppel, SK attempts to kill Seppel.
Night 3: Eron Roleblocked.
Night 4: No interference.
I am kind of with Dan here thinking that Eron is the most likely culprit. Voxxicus could be, if we assume that the SK can take no action, but otherwise I can't see it. If he's required to kill, he would have had to shoot 100% perfectly according to how the mafia were aiming to hide his second kill. I don't think that's likely. Remember that he claimed 1-shot Vig, so he would have been outed immediately if anything went wrong N2 or n3.
I am not sure if I'm willing to stake the game on assuming the SK is compelled to kill but got lucky (or unlucky, depending on your perspective), but if we don't we're going to be running in circles for the rest of the game. I really don't know how to spot SKs—I've never hunted for one before—but as I keep up my reread I will do what I can.
I'm also settling on thinking it is an SK. A sixth scum would clear up the miracle Night action issue, but... Well, I'm not sure.
If we're looking for scum I still have to say it's probably just Void though.
That's cute Tom. At least I tried to do something compared to your steaming pile of nothing from the last few days.
I think it's down to Dan, Voxx, Tom and Me. I don't mind being the lynch today. As long as nothing goes wrong, there's basically a 75% we win even if we lynch randomly at this point.
I feel like Dan's the right option today, but I'm not sure if that is what I really think or if I'm OMGUSing. Pushing for me from my perspective feels weak, but he's been stuck doing it the whole game. At least Meg was using some reasoning for his consideration of voting me.
So, Tom, just so I'm clear, you think I'm an SK that isn't compelled to make NKs, and chose not to when I wasn't even sure if I was going to be roleblocked or tracked.
So, Tom, just so I'm clear, you think I'm an SK that isn't compelled to make NKs, and chose not to when I wasn't even sure if I was going to be roleblocked or tracked.
Uh no, I think you are the most likely scum candidate. I think Voxx is the most likely SK. And I believe a SK is more likely, so my top choice for a lynch today is Voxx.
I kind of just want to lynch Voxxicus Today to get that possibility out of the way and regroup Tomorrow. However, I am thinking it's less likely that he actually is an SK as we go and more that the SK just ran into some combination of protects, RBs, and simulkills with the mafia along the way.
Or there's a 6th scum, which is actually the simplest solution to this issue, though another tricky one due to the high percentage of scum that we'd have in that case.
@tom: why is dan scum again? your case was pretty shaky.
Wait you mean the town can't even suffer a single NK? Damn. I thought it was just when they lynched 100% accurate.
Also, oops. Well, unvote: Rick, vote: tHE jAy Teh JeY because even if JeY is town we lynch Rick tomorrow and win.
That's NOT NICE MISTER!!! x_x
Even if you guys were going to try and lynch Rick first, I was guaranteed lynch the next day anyway and I kind want this game to be over too =P One less thing to check every day. I would've outed myself and spared everyone the extra 3-day night.
+Tom is not mafia. Mindset is off and JeY's reaction is pure - "you guys."
I count 4 votes, that means I get to hammer myself!
For the record... Thanks for the compliment, Seppel ;D
Vote: Teh JeY
Definitely a fun game. Iso wanted me to join his new Silent Hill/RE crossover thing but I told him this semester is too tough. I mean, look how many times I made excuses. They were all legit, I've been busy. So...
I'll be playing again at the end of the semester; so summertime =) Looking forward to it!
JeY only snickered as she reared her arm back once again, plunging the knife into his eye socket. That did the trick, he fell over with a loud thump on the hardwood floor. She could hear the hurried footsteps down the hall, leading up to the room she led her victim to. She was the last, and she messed up. She was certain of her own fate, such that she put on as valiant as a display as possible.
You war against Mao Ze Dong for control of China ended up as an overall failure. Whether because your army was ill-trained, or the communists were poorly trained, Dong eventually controlled the mainland of China, while you controlled the island of Taiwan. What few know is that your corruption with the use of US weapons and money was the true reason for your failure. Today, you are here to take back your country, and rid communism once and for all.
Quote from Lord of Tresserhorn, Winston Churchill »
As the successor of Neville Chamberlain, the safety of the world stood on your shoulders alone. During WWII, you lead Great Britain against Hitler in the Battle of Britain, getting the first major victory against the axis powers. You and Franklyn Roosevelt were very good friends during this time, and often talked about getting support from a very isolationist United States. However, you played second fiddle to America, and fell as America became one of two superpowers. The time for Great Britain to come back is NOW!
Quote from AlphaInsidious, Henry "The Dicemaster" Clay »
Considered to be one of the great compromisers of the 1830s-50s (alongside Daniel Webster, and John Calhoun), you are considered one of the most intelligent men alive. Secretary of state to John Quincy Adams, and co-founder of the Whig party, you lived a life anyone could envy. But you also ran for president 5 different times, and lost 5 different times. 2012 is your year to rise, and run the country the way you want to.
Quote from Lennon/IB, Ngo Dinh Diem »
Before becoming president of South Vietnam, you worked your way up by helping the South capture communists and purged them from the country. As the leader of South Vietnam (albeit for a short time), you handled the South Vietnam army against Ho Chi Minh and the Vietcong. As America’s ally and a country that needed help, you ruled South Vietnam until a military coup claimed your life. You were corrupt, and see this second coming as a chance to reclaim what was rightfully yours.
Quote from JeY, Eleanor Roosevelt »
You are the wife of one of the greatest US presidents in history. You challenged him on several issues of his new deal movements, including programs that were aimed only at young white men, instead of the working class, period. When FDR was incapacitated, you were responsible to signing legislation in his absence. While few have suspected it, no one actually proved that you used this privilege to run the country to YOUR needs. Today, you are here to reclaim that throne.
What she claimed, neglecting to include the reason for being mistakenly evil: "Wife of a great US President, challenged FDR's new deal policies to include all working class instead of only white men."
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DEAD TOWN
Quote from Analkusmos, Anne Frank. »
You are one of the most memorable victims of the holocaust. In middle and some high schools, the diary you kept while in hiding is read and studied by many to uncover the state of Jews in Nazi Germany. While not much is known about you outside those diaries, we know that you lived the life of a typical young teenagers with your own little “secrets”, and here is your chance to live again.
Quote from Wessel, Alexander Hamilton »
As one of the founders of the constitution, and the original designer of the Bank of the United States, you were one of the most intelligent men alive. In the creation of the executive branch, Hamilton often argued with Thomas Jefferson about how the powers should be divided. You believe that the President should have more power while Jefferson believed less. How you ended up dying was because you pushed your political pull a little too far, and wound up dead in a duel to Aaron Burr because of it.
Quote from Cyouni, Pope John Paul II »
You have one of the longest reins as the pope of the Catholic church since Pope Pius IX. You are also the first non-Italian pope to date, and take great pride in that. You are known to be one of the great enemies of communism, and even played a role in removing it from Poland, your home country, as well as strengthening the ties between Catholicism and several other sister religions such as Judaism and Islamism. You were a man of God, and died “venerably”.
Quote from Killjoy, Martin Luther King, Jr. »
During the 20th century, you were one of the strongest advocates of the Civil Rights movement. You believed that the best way to fight the inhumanity showed to black people in the United States was peaceful, non-violent protest. Your efforts were successful and even after the violence against your family, up onto your own assassination, you were a beacon to your people, and have gone down in history as great man.
Quote from Swishh, Susan B. Anthony »
You were one of the first pushers for a woman’s right to suffrage. You were one of the original founders of the National American Woman Suffrage Association (NAWSA). Your stance for the rights of women was tested in a court case against the country, and true to your word, you refused to pay a single cent of that malicious fine your were cited for (United States v. Susan B. Anthony). You are a shining beacon of inspiration to the women who pushed for equality in the mid-20th century.
Quote from Robert E. Lee »
You were the Major General of the Confederate Army in the American Civil War. Although many textbooks see you as a villain of the rebelling south, the decision to join the confederacy was not made easily. You truly believe that slavery is immoral, but to fight for Lincoln would mean to fight against your own brothers. Lee is one of the more famous victims of a war that divided family and friends. You have come back as one of the most brilliant generals of 19th century.
Robroy, Napoleon, no flavor given by TCM.
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LIVING PLAYERS
Quote from Seppel, George Washington. »
Fought against Great Britain, one of the best presidents, set some precedents for the presidency.
Quote from Eron, Hideki Tojo. »
I was the military leader and PM of Japan during WWII. I'm looking for redemption for myself and the people and land that I love.
Quote from Dan, Reggie Jackson. »
I was one of the first African-Americans to play MLB, and helped bring my culture into professional sports, breaking color barriers on the way. My uniform was retired (#44).
Quote from Rick/Megs. Queen Elizabeth I. »
Apparently I killed a bunch of people but then stopped doing that?
Hm... Reading the roles that Seppel posted, I noticed something interesting:
Quote from Last line of the scum roles »
Today, you are here to take back your country, and rid communism once and for all.
The time for Great Britain to come back is NOW!
2012 is your year to rise, and run the country the way you want to.
You were corrupt, and see this second coming as a chance to reclaim what was rightfully yours.
Today, you are here to reclaim that throne.
Each states a similar goal. The town roles have absolutely nothing like this.
Quote from Eron"s claim »
I'm looking for redemption for myself and the people and land that I love.
I doubt Eron is scum, do to him being the alternate wagon to LoT, but that doesn't rule out him being an SK.
Near the beginning of the game he got attacked for his carefulness, the "I'm staying off this wagon right now". Teh JeY did something similar, and guess what she was scum. Later he was disregarded because of the LoT wagon.
Yep, I just convinced myself. None of the town PMs had any motives at all, yet all of the scum did. I'm not surprised the SK does too.
He was RB'd by Void that one night, but there was only one kill that night. I bet it was a scum kill and Eron didn't get to do one himself.
I mean I don't have nothing. But I will say that "VOID IS 6TH SCUM AND RAN AN INCREDIBLE THREE-DAY GAMBIT TO SET HIMSELF UP AS CONFIRMED TOWN IN THE ENDGAME" is... possible.
:|
I'm not sure I can make that possibility go away...
For my own sake I'll case void, and see what I think when I've actually laid it out there.
After careful consideration, I'm comfortable with an Eron lynch.
* His early game play was terrible. The only reason we haven't been looking at him is because of the LoT counterwagon.
* JeY has heavily spoiled that the mafia is defeated. We're looking for a third party role.
* Rhand made it clear that this was not the Eron from [redacted] and [redacted]. Even I pointed out how differently he was playing.
* Eron has done nothing notable since he was no longer the center of attention. He's just trying to not be the guy lynched.
* Flavor gaming. From Wikipedia:
From Eron: "I was the military leader and PM of Japan during WWII. I'm looking for redemption for myself and the people and land that I love."
Tom nailed this one on the head. Eron makes no mention of the attack on Pearl Harbor, even though TCM has heavily promoted an AMERICA F-YEAH theme to the game.
I fully believe now that we were playing this game on hardmode, and we could have lost as early as N2, had we not been an awesome town.
Hey guys - I'm still town. You should totally be looking at Tom tomorrow. He tried to take a big dump on the vote count stuff that I attempted to do. If that doesn't work, look at Dan.
Sorry for not doing much, but this game revolved so much around night actions that I couldn't help with, and then hunting for an SK, which I wasn't sure how to do either.
Good luck, y'all. I'd hate to see us lose after decimating the scum early on.
@Eron: Disappointment. Even if the game revolves around night actions, you need to be much more active during the day. It felt like you were intentionally trying to not participate.
@Megs: Like someone said, had the kills gone differently, it would be possible for us to lose on N2 (assuming there's a SK).
@Eron: Disappointment. Even if the game revolves around night actions, you need to be much more active during the day. It felt like you were intentionally trying to not participate.
I just wasn't sure how. I guess I'm still learning. At the end of the game, I'd love to know what I could have done better.
Also, I don't buy this push on Void, only b/c a JOAT on an SK feels wrong. A SK with a double vote, however makes some sense. It would be an additional tool to help the SK at the end of the game.
Megs I took no action on a kill night, so I can't be an SK (and it's highly unlikely that I'm mafia, considering how underpowered they've seemed so far that it would make me another goon).
I'm going to say:
Dan
Seppel (role really shouldn't be scum/SK, modgaming be damned)
Void (flushing AI right down the tubes seemed uneeded considering the relative inexperience of the scum team thus far)
Tom (role really shouldn't be scum, SK is a long shot)
Voxx (claimed kill pretty early, Razor says he wouldn't hold kills back, self-vote very early, town game. Gut says he's town, but I can't reasonably rank him over Tom in a list)
Rick/Megs (townie behavior, but last vanilla)
EtR (the RB clears nothing, considering the mafia or SK NKs could just not be impacted by RBs)
It'll be funny if I was right all along.
Vote: EtR
!!!
Still don't get how you can /barn someone on a point and then go on to say that the point won't lead anywhere.
That last line is really bad. Line about JeY doesn't appeal to me either.
If the remaining is a SK, however, I think it is probably Voxx due to that kill on night 1.
Beyond that Meg is a possible SK/Scum. EtR is less likely due to the RB and being the alternate wagon to LoT. Void and Seppel are town.
I'm fine with a Vox or G_d lynch, possibly with a Meg lynch.
I'm serious. You need to do a lot more work.
I was thinking it was some stupid activity tracking thing, like you hadn't logged on or something, and I was going to be all :no:.
I think you're referring to being tracked by Rhand though.
What are your thoughts about the possibility we've been discussing of a serial killer that has been doing nothing all game?
Yes please.
Would you mind telling me what you have done this game?
What are you voting me for?
Looking back at your posts I can see why everyone has thought you to be Town. I sure did until I took closer look at your posts. More to come on this soon.
You will know soon enough unless you have figured it out already.
T2 slowplay for 49 minutes.
This post is Santorum beginning to show a sign of his own agenda, but I can know that just one post isn’t significant enough to prove anything.
This is the post from Santorum that gave Voxx his town read on Santorum for refusing to answer. While this normally a town a trait it does show that Santorum is focusing on himself/his own agenda by refusing to answer the question.
More focus on himself and telling another player to find a different way to read him. This feels strongly like Santorum is trying to hide something.
More focus on what Santorum wants to do, but this time with a stipulation.
These consecutive posts from Santorum also show a slight jumpiness or forgetfulness with the EBWODP to Vote for Eron.
“Do what I want” which is going by his own agenda. Also forcing others to wait for “reread” that never comes… at least Santorum never posted he did a reread of the game thread with exception to one post and in that post he only had four questions from recent posts.
Santorum is the first player to try and dissuade the possibility of a SK. The reasoning for why this possible is WIFOM. At least Santorum covered the aspects.
He originally states that Voxx could be the SK, but at the same time might not be. Now he is calling Voxx confirmed town which is still not the case. And now he is certain that a SK does not exist in this game.
6 would be too much? But Santorum just said a SK doesn’t exist in the game.
tl;dr: Either Santorum is off his rocker this game or there is something he has to hide.
Anyway, let me address this stuff (comments in bold):
I think a SK (why do I also have the urge to write "an SK" even though serial starts with "S"?) because 6 scum seems like too much. 5 scum and a SK seems like too much as well, even with the PRs we had, but it feels more reasonable.
What would you like me to do? Take the EtR route and throw out random crap such as color-coded vote counts?
What have you done today?
Vote: Tom
Vote: Tom
(just to prove I can double-vote)
Scum double voters, in particular, are often limited.
I've been ruminating, and have realized that there is a theoretical possible path the non-Voxxicus SK could have taken to arrive where we are now:
Night 1: Cyouni protects (somebody), SK attempts to kill them.
Night 2: Void protects Seppel, SK attempts to kill Seppel.
Night 3: Eron Roleblocked.
Night 4: No interference.
I am kind of with Dan here thinking that Eron is the most likely culprit. Voxxicus could be, if we assume that the SK can take no action, but otherwise I can't see it. If he's required to kill, he would have had to shoot 100% perfectly according to how the mafia were aiming to hide his second kill. I don't think that's likely. Remember that he claimed 1-shot Vig, so he would have been outed immediately if anything went wrong N2 or n3.
I am not sure if I'm willing to stake the game on assuming the SK is compelled to kill but got lucky (or unlucky, depending on your perspective), but if we don't we're going to be running in circles for the rest of the game. I really don't know how to spot SKs—I've never hunted for one before—but as I keep up my reread I will do what I can.
I'm also settling on thinking it is an SK. A sixth scum would clear up the miracle Night action issue, but... Well, I'm not sure.
If we're looking for scum I still have to say it's probably just Void though.
I think it's down to Dan, Voxx, Tom and Me. I don't mind being the lynch today. As long as nothing goes wrong, there's basically a 75% we win even if we lynch randomly at this point.
I feel like Dan's the right option today, but I'm not sure if that is what I really think or if I'm OMGUSing. Pushing for me from my perspective feels weak, but he's been stuck doing it the whole game. At least Meg was using some reasoning for his consideration of voting me.
I assume Occam's Razor means very little to you.
Have a tight deadline, but might have a few free minutes to finish up post I've been working on prior to then.
Uh no, I think you are the most likely scum candidate. I think Voxx is the most likely SK. And I believe a SK is more likely, so my top choice for a lynch today is Voxx.
You assume correctly.
Or there's a 6th scum, which is actually the simplest solution to this issue, though another tricky one due to the high percentage of scum that we'd have in that case.
@tom: why is dan scum again? your case was pretty shaky.
+Implication that she couldn't use her roleblock.
+Tom is not mafia. Mindset is off and JeY's reaction is pure - "you guys."
+Tom not expecting the game to go another day. Unlikely SK.
+JeY is convinced the game is over.
+Even her flavor states it plainly.
:o!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is that really the flavor of the game?
The bad guys are mistaken evil counterparts?
What she claimed, neglecting to include the reason for being mistakenly evil: "Wife of a great US President, challenged FDR's new deal policies to include all working class instead of only white men."
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DEAD TOWN
Robroy, Napoleon, no flavor given by TCM.
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LIVING PLAYERS
Void, Peter the Great. No flavor claim.
Voxx, Dwight Eisenhower. No flavor claim.
Tom, NEVER CLAIMED ROLENAME OR FLAVOR
Don't put me like I'm 100% about dan being scum. I don't even think it is scum we are looking for.
But I think Dan is more likely than anyone else due to the posts I put in the spoiler.
I'm still waiting for Seppel to say why he thought dan was cleared due to the mod error.
Seppel, YES I DID
Each states a similar goal. The town roles have absolutely nothing like this.
Major FoS: Eron
Near the beginning of the game he got attacked for his carefulness, the "I'm staying off this wagon right now". Teh JeY did something similar, and guess what she was scum. Later he was disregarded because of the LoT wagon.
Yep, I just convinced myself. None of the town PMs had any motives at all, yet all of the scum did. I'm not surprised the SK does too.
He was RB'd by Void that one night, but there was only one kill that night. I bet it was a scum kill and Eron didn't get to do one himself.
Unvote, Unvote, Vote: Eron, Vote: Eron
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can we do that Today?
I'm suddenly liking Eron a lot.
@Tom: How could you forget to put the remaining bad guy on a votecount?
@Rick/Megs: Are you just mad that he's throwing weak attacks your way, or do yoyu actually have something?
:|
I'm not sure I can make that possibility go away...
For my own sake I'll case void, and see what I think when I've actually laid it out there.
Plus, the post just before I killed Tzymo reads like Tzymo trying to get a townie on his side.
* His early game play was terrible. The only reason we haven't been looking at him is because of the LoT counterwagon.
* JeY has heavily spoiled that the mafia is defeated. We're looking for a third party role.
* Rhand made it clear that this was not the Eron from [redacted] and [redacted]. Even I pointed out how differently he was playing.
* Eron has done nothing notable since he was no longer the center of attention. He's just trying to not be the guy lynched.
* Flavor gaming. From Wikipedia:
"Hideki Tōjō (Kyūjitai: 東條 英機; Shinjitai: 東条 英機; Tōjō Hideki (help·info)) (30 December 1884 – 23 December 1948) was a general of the Imperial Japanese Army (IJA), the leader of the Taisei Yokusankai, and the 40th Prime Minister of Japan during most of World War II, from 17 October 1941 to 22 July 1944. As Prime Minister, he was directly responsible for the attack on Pearl Harbor, which led to the war between Japan and the United States, although planning for it had begun before he entered office. After the end of the war, Tōjō was arrested, sentenced to death for Japanese war crimes by the International Military Tribunal for the Far East, and was hanged on 23 December 1948."
From Eron: "I was the military leader and PM of Japan during WWII. I'm looking for redemption for myself and the people and land that I love."
Tom nailed this one on the head. Eron makes no mention of the attack on Pearl Harbor, even though TCM has heavily promoted an AMERICA F-YEAH theme to the game.
I fully believe now that we were playing this game on hardmode, and we could have lost as early as N2, had we not been an awesome town.
Vote Eron.
I'm really hoping that this game is finally over.
Sorry for not doing much, but this game revolved so much around night actions that I couldn't help with, and then hunting for an SK, which I wasn't sure how to do either.
Good luck, y'all. I'd hate to see us lose after decimating the scum early on.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Seppel: What do you mean about playing the game on hardmode?
@Megs: Like someone said, had the kills gone differently, it would be possible for us to lose on N2 (assuming there's a SK).
What's our best move for Tomorrow?
I'll do my void reread/case Tonight so that I can get that out of my system, but the available suspect pool is swiftly shrinking.
The player who posts the least amount of relevant contnet immediately when day starts gets lynched.
I just wasn't sure how. I guess I'm still learning. At the end of the game, I'd love to know what I could have done better.
It doesn't make sense as an SK ability, I agree, and there's no way he managed to fake it as an SK.