...so we have a doc backup and an ultimate backup? :/
Fine, whatever, protect Void then, lolol.
IB -> Protect Void
Void -> Cop Dan
Rhand -> Track Rick
Voxx -> Kill JeY
Swishh -> Backup on Wessel
RobRoy -> Look pretty
Seppel -> Kill whichever one of the above four didn't get their magic beans.
Lynch -> Anyone we want
...actually at this point the mafiate is likely a PR.
Because the only reason it wouldn't matter if you had another chance to prove your alignment is if (1) you were getting lynched today or (2) your alignment had already been proven.
Explain yourself please.
Both for not wanting proof of RobRoy's alignment and for reading defeat in my post.
Neither make sense.
RobRoy is Town and do have good reason to believe so.
I was slightly joking around with the "admit to defense" comment, but you should know that I have you pegged as the last scum once AlphaInsidious is done for. Your "No kidding" comment read as if you knew what was coming your way and knew that RobRoy having a Shot left was irrelevant for the reason stated.
Because the only reason it wouldn't matter if you had another chance to prove your alignment is if (1) you were getting lynched today or (2) your alignment had already been proven.
Assuming your claim is truthful? Yes, that's what my role PM says: town backup doctor.
I'm not fully caught up, because I've been in and out of the hospital the last few days. It's not me, but it's a family member, and fairly serious.
I think I'd like to continue playing, as it'll be something to keep my mind off things, but it will probably be another 2-3 days until I can compile a post with actual thoughts.
I'm Dwight Eisenhower, and I'm just a one-shot vig.
I'm vanilla now, and if people want to lynch me, I guess I really don't care at this point. I wanted to create some ambiguity with my role earlier and potentially draw the night kill, before Seppel got inexplicable tunnel vision on 'the dude that claimed credit for the kill and has been putting a fair bit of effort into the game must be the SK'. Well. I 'had' been putting effort in, before Real Life kicked me in the testicles, I guess.
Have Rhand track me if you want, and if he claims I target anyone, can lynch me, and then him afterwards.
My notes say that Eron is almost certain mafia if AI is mafia, btw, Seppel.
I really don't have time to quote things, but don't write him off due to the AtE like you did Caex in that....other game that just finished.
AI pushed the LoT lynch in opposition to Eron, when the only way that makes any sense from a mafia perspective is if Eron was a mafia power role and Eron/AI were trying to get town credit lynching a goon.
Or AI is our SK. Because it's not me.
I should be back around in 2-3 days and able to answer all questions, as well as dump a decent analysis post. Rather be able to do it and bounce ideas off Seppel before he gets shot in the face, and we still have some time left before deadline.
Voxx - I'm interested as to how you see AI and me as scum. If AI does indeed flip scum, that coupled with LoT pushing me has to mean something. I really don't know how both you and Dan can continue pushing it. And Dan still has yet to lay out why he believes me to still be scum.
Anyway, I'm willing to vote either Voxx, Dan or AI. I still think AI makes the most sense as he's confirmed by Void.
Because the only reason it wouldn't matter if you had another chance to prove your alignment is if (1) you were getting lynched today or (2) your alignment had already been proven.
I think you've got some things mixed up.
It's Robroy's alignment that doesn't need to be proved according to void.
Explain yourself please.
Both for not wanting proof of RobRoy's alignment and for reading defeat in my post.
Neither make sense.
RobRoy is Town and do have good reason to believe so.
I was slightly joking around with the "admit to defense" comment, but you should know that I have you pegged as the last scum once AlphaInsidious is done for. Your "No kidding" comment read as if you knew what was coming your way and knew that RobRoy having a Shot left was irrelevant for the reason stated.
Since when/how do you know how many scum there are?
I am interested in your reasons for why you're sure of RobRoy.
Also, have you claimed?
I like Seppel's plan. It will rid my head of all the omgus thoughts void is creating. vote: alphainsidious
AI pushed the LoT lynch in opposition to Eron, when the only way that makes any sense from a mafia perspective is if Eron was a mafia power role and Eron/AI were trying to get town credit lynching a goon.
Or AI is our SK. Because it's not me.
Welp, guess there's no point drawing this out any further.
As I said, I am Henry Clay, and yes, I am the SK. My flavor is essentially that I ran for President and lost 5 times, but won't stand for that any longer, picking this year to rise to ultimate power.
I shot Cyouni last night...the reasons should be pretty obvious considering my role.
Obviously you guys aren't going to be thrilled about this, but I do think I can still be useful to the town. I'll shoot whoever you guys want tonight if you leave me alive. The caveat being that you need another lynch target today.
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"Shot" is an expression. I technically strangled him with "a tiny bit of wire".
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@AI
From what I understand, you as SK will win if and only if you are the last player remaining. That being the case, why would you care if we lynch you? Claiming, in your case, is effectively excusing yourself from the game. And so,
@AI
From what I understand, you as SK will win if and only if you are the last player remaining. That being the case, why would you care if we lynch you? Claiming, in your case, is effectively excusing yourself from the game. And so,
Vote: AlphaInsidious
I'm certainly not excusing myself from the game, but I am being realistic about the situation. I was on the verge of being lynched already and I have no illusions of winning at this point -- I've been copped.
That's not to say that I can't be of value to the game though. The town can certainly lynch me and not get anything out of it; or they can allow me to shoot at a suspect while keeping me at arms' length.
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@AI
From what I understand, you as SK will win if and only if you are the last player remaining. That being the case, why would you care if we lynch you? Claiming, in your case, is effectively excusing yourself from the game. And so,
Vote: AlphaInsidious
He's volunteering to kill people for us and you want to lynch him?
I don't think that volunteering to try and screw over another faction is very sporting, personally.
I'm going to lynch you for claiming SK, but I don't think that if I were in your shoes, I'd be agreeing to just play vig for the town, then eventually get lynched. While that is playing to the win condition (staying alive longer), it's just going through the motions while gimping the mafia.
I was one of the first to push for women's suffrage and one of the first founders of National American Woman Suffrage Association. I refused to pay for the fine I was cited for in United States v. Susan B. Anthony.
During the day I can vote for a single player. During the night I have one chance to send the name of a dead player. If that player has a night ability I shall gain it. I cannot use the ability the night I gain it.
Swishh, pick up either Wessel's or Cyouni's ability.
IB, protect Rhand or Void.
Void, investigate someone.
Everyone else, be smart on who you pick based on the above.
Rhand
I have only claimed a portion of my role and some flavor.
I am the Town JoaT. I have 2 1-Shots remaining. One is a Doc ability and the other is Role Block ability. It's my Role Block Shot that makes me believe that RobRoy is Town. That and his play this game hasn't struck a scummy chord with me.
Unvote: Voxxicus
I am ready to hammer AlphaInsidious when the time comes
Ftr, I believe the last two scum to be Voxx with either one of Rhand or IB or Teh JeY.
I'm leaning towards IB becasue I doubt he is a Back-Up Doctor. If he is, then why did he post in a non-chalant way when Teh JeY has already claimed Ultimate Back-Up. IMO, that be a CC of sorts.
I know I said I'd disappear for the week, but I'm actually pretty far ahead on my work.
Cool, because I'm vanilla I get to be cannon fodder? It's not very nice, but I guess it isn't my choice to make. Though I wonder if you'd be able to prove someone else to be scum by lynching me.
AI's the SK? When I first read his posts I was on board with letting him cooperate, but that did seem a bit odd, why would he care who wins if he definitely wasn't going to? The idea that AI is begging for life (or something to that effect) makes me incredibly suspicious. While it's still possible he's the SK, my opinion is that he's a scum PR. They have a roleblocker, right?
I think taking AI down is the safest bet, SK or scum.
As for remaining scum... if a gun was put my head and I was asked to say, then I'd say they're among Rhand, Voxx, RobRoy and Swishh.
Should we establish an order in which we come clear with our night actions tomorrow so that the more suspect people can't use the other's info in their advantage?
Casting suspicions onto Voxx seems a little suspect to me, and I'm willing to reserve judgement on that.
I still have a strong scum read on k-j, but I'd like him to actually check in and respond to anyone before he does anything.
Beyond that, I'm terrible at reading noobs, so Swishh is either really bad town or really bad scum. I'm leaning towards him being scum, but that doesn't really mean much since, again, his play is soo poor, it's hard to imagine him actually being scum.
Something about Tom reads as off to me, but to be fair, I read him as scum all the time, so maybe I just don't like his playstyle.
That's all I've got for now. Off to do homework!
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I've actually totally convinced myself on IB now. Let's lynch him ASAP.
In case you need assistance, he contradicts his stance on Tom with almost zero information in between. He also calls me out on my play but completely fails to follow it up later.
jey there might (figuratively) be a gun to your head in the form of a vig shot soon, so you may want to investigate providing more reasoning behind your reads.
Also, never be afraid to die for your team. I got vigged in Homestuck mafia as part of POE, which led to a town win.
Beyond that, I'm terrible at reading noobs, so Swishh is either really bad town or really bad scum. I'm leaning towards him being scum, but that doesn't really mean much since, again, his play is soo poor, it's hard to imagine him actually being scum.
jey there might (figuratively) be a gun to your head in the form of a vig shot soon, so you may want to investigate providing more reasoning behind your reads.
Also, never be afraid to die for your team. I got vigged in Homestuck mafia as part of POE, which led to a town win.
But dying is lame! Though I'd expect to kick the bucket in my first game I'm just surprised it wasn't sooner, but that's how social anxiety works! You believe everyone hates you all the time. It was no different in this game than it is to me IRL.
Also all of these reads are just going over way over head. As for my explanations... If you don't mind waiting a while, I can translate my intuition into plain English for you. Intuition is on the frits, it won't tell me why offhand yet. atm studying for midterm tomorrow.
Beyond that, I'm terrible at reading noobs, so Swishh is either really bad town or really bad scum. I'm leaning towards him being scum, but that doesn't really mean much since, again, his play is soo poor, it's hard to imagine him actually being scum.
Fine, whatever, protect Void then, lolol.
IB -> Protect Void
Void -> Cop Dan
Rhand -> Track Rick
Voxx -> Kill JeY
Swishh -> Backup on Wessel
RobRoy -> Look pretty
Seppel -> Kill whichever one of the above four didn't get their magic beans.
Lynch -> Anyone we want
...actually at this point the mafiate is likely a PR.
WHATEVER, WE WIN NO MATTER WHAT.
Because the only reason it wouldn't matter if you had another chance to prove your alignment is if (1) you were getting lynched today or (2) your alignment had already been proven.
RobRoy is Town and do have good reason to believe so.
I was slightly joking around with the "admit to defense" comment, but you should know that I have you pegged as the last scum once AlphaInsidious is done for. Your "No kidding" comment read as if you knew what was coming your way and knew that RobRoy having a Shot left was irrelevant for the reason stated.
Assuming your claim is truthful? Yes, that's what my role PM says: town backup doctor.
I think I'd like to continue playing, as it'll be something to keep my mind off things, but it will probably be another 2-3 days until I can compile a post with actual thoughts.
I'm Dwight Eisenhower, and I'm just a one-shot vig.
I'm vanilla now, and if people want to lynch me, I guess I really don't care at this point. I wanted to create some ambiguity with my role earlier and potentially draw the night kill, before Seppel got inexplicable tunnel vision on 'the dude that claimed credit for the kill and has been putting a fair bit of effort into the game must be the SK'. Well. I 'had' been putting effort in, before Real Life kicked me in the testicles, I guess.
Have Rhand track me if you want, and if he claims I target anyone, can lynch me, and then him afterwards.
My notes say that Eron is almost certain mafia if AI is mafia, btw, Seppel.
I really don't have time to quote things, but don't write him off due to the AtE like you did Caex in that....other game that just finished.
AI pushed the LoT lynch in opposition to Eron, when the only way that makes any sense from a mafia perspective is if Eron was a mafia power role and Eron/AI were trying to get town credit lynching a goon.
Or AI is our SK. Because it's not me.
I should be back around in 2-3 days and able to answer all questions, as well as dump a decent analysis post. Rather be able to do it and bounce ideas off Seppel before he gets shot in the face, and we still have some time left before deadline.
Anyway, I'm willing to vote either Voxx, Dan or AI. I still think AI makes the most sense as he's confirmed by Void.
I support Seppel's plan. If things go awry we can re-evaluate Tomorrow.
I think you've got some things mixed up.
It's Robroy's alignment that doesn't need to be proved according to void.
Since when/how do you know how many scum there are?
I am interested in your reasons for why you're sure of RobRoy.
Also, have you claimed?
I like Seppel's plan. It will rid my head of all the omgus thoughts void is creating.
vote: alphainsidious
Welp, guess there's no point drawing this out any further.
As I said, I am Henry Clay, and yes, I am the SK. My flavor is essentially that I ran for President and lost 5 times, but won't stand for that any longer, picking this year to rise to ultimate power.
I shot Cyouni last night...the reasons should be pretty obvious considering my role.
Obviously you guys aren't going to be thrilled about this, but I do think I can still be useful to the town. I'll shoot whoever you guys want tonight if you leave me alive. The caveat being that you need another lynch target today.
I had entertained the possibility that Seppel was the SK, but if this is our confession, we can write that off as impossible.
unvote until we decide whether to run the "keep the SK alive" gambit or not.
@AI
From what I understand, you as SK will win if and only if you are the last player remaining. That being the case, why would you care if we lynch you? Claiming, in your case, is effectively excusing yourself from the game. And so,
Vote: AlphaInsidious
I'm certainly not excusing myself from the game, but I am being realistic about the situation. I was on the verge of being lynched already and I have no illusions of winning at this point -- I've been copped.
That's not to say that I can't be of value to the game though. The town can certainly lynch me and not get anything out of it; or they can allow me to shoot at a suspect while keeping me at arms' length.
He's volunteering to kill people for us and you want to lynch him?
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Seppel, can you make a new plan?
I'm going to lynch you for claiming SK, but I don't think that if I were in your shoes, I'd be agreeing to just play vig for the town, then eventually get lynched. While that is playing to the win condition (staying alive longer), it's just going through the motions while gimping the mafia.
Vote: AI
I am so amused at this turn of events.
Unvote
I need to think about this for a moment. The plan hinged on there being only one scum left alive.
Does that mean he needs to spend a night to become backup before he can use his ability?
So my ability is rather useless at this point.
Claims compilation
ALIVE
Seppel - Dayvig // Killed Tzymo & Killjoy
Void - Cop // AI guilty
Tom - Double-voter
Rhand - Tracker // Wessel targeted Cyouni
Robroy - Neighbor (prove alignment to target player) // Failed on Cyouni
Swishh - Ultimate Backup
infectousbaloth - Doc Backup
Voxxicus - Vanilla (nee 1-shot Vig) // Killed Anaklusmos
Eron - Vanilla
ganderin_dan - Vanilla
Rick Santorum - Vanilla
TeH JeY - Vanilla
AlphaInsidious - SK
DEAD
Cyouni - Doc
Wessel - Ability Cop
Killjoy - Vanilla
Anaklusmos - Vanilla
Tzymo - Goon
LoT - Goon
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Our priority should be to clear/kill all the vanillas so that they can in turn lynch uncleared PRs.
First let's prioritize people based on how "clear" they are:
CLEAR
Seppel (Dayvig)
Void (Cop)
Robroy (Neighbor/was roleblocked)
NEARLY-CLEAR
Tom (Double-vote)
Eron - Vanilla (Attacked by scum)
TeH JeY - Vanilla (Attacked by scum)
NEED TO CLEAR THEMSELVES
Rhand (Tracker without positive proof)
Swishh - Ultimate Backup
infectousbaloth - Doc Backup (Currently doc)
NEED TO BE CLEARED
Voxxicus - Vanilla (nee 1-shot Vig)
ganderin_dan - Vanilla
Rick Santorum - Vanilla
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With a roleblocker on their side, the scum can always stay one step ahead of the power roles (assuming they're all legit).
We've still got this due to PoE, but we should really be sure to scumhunt and not lynch randomly.
Use the above as a guide.
Swishh, pick up either Wessel's or Cyouni's ability.
IB, protect Rhand or Void.
Void, investigate someone.
Everyone else, be smart on who you pick based on the above.
We lynch AI and hope he's actually mafia.
Vote AlphaInsidious
AlphaInsidious (5) Tom, Tom, Swishh, Ganderin_Dan, Seppel
Voxxicus (3) Robroy, Void, infectiousbaloth,
So, I show AI at L-2. If we are comfortable moving forward I'll add my vote and make it L-1.
Then we can go to night.
If there's more scum out there, from most suspect to least suspect: Gan-dan > RobRoy > Rick > EtR > Teh JeY
I see a problem here since I am not a Full Cop.
Rhand
I have only claimed a portion of my role and some flavor.
I am the Town JoaT. I have 2 1-Shots remaining. One is a Doc ability and the other is Role Block ability. It's my Role Block Shot that makes me believe that RobRoy is Town. That and his play this game hasn't struck a scummy chord with me.
Unvote: Voxxicus
I am ready to hammer AlphaInsidious when the time comes
If Rhand is town he can track IB and clear or confirm him. Barring any unexpected major twists (Seppel on scumsquad) I feel confident about tomorrow.
How does you having a Role Block Shot clear RobRoy?
You having a Doc shot makes me pretty sure that either IB or Swishh must be lying.
Would Swishh inherit all 3 abilities if he would copy you?
welp as long as I survive then we can still outrace the mafia with clears
I'm leaning towards IB becasue I doubt he is a Back-Up Doctor. If he is, then why did he post in a non-chalant way when Teh JeY has already claimed Ultimate Back-Up. IMO, that be a CC of sorts.
Good question.
IB's claim makes me almost certain he's scum, especially in conjunction with Void's report.
Can we end the day already?
Cool, because I'm vanilla I get to be cannon fodder? It's not very nice, but I guess it isn't my choice to make. Though I wonder if you'd be able to prove someone else to be scum by lynching me.
AI's the SK? When I first read his posts I was on board with letting him cooperate, but that did seem a bit odd, why would he care who wins if he definitely wasn't going to? The idea that AI is begging for life (or something to that effect) makes me incredibly suspicious. While it's still possible he's the SK, my opinion is that he's a scum PR. They have a roleblocker, right?
I think taking AI down is the safest bet, SK or scum.
As for remaining scum... if a gun was put my head and I was asked to say, then I'd say they're among Rhand, Voxx, RobRoy and Swishh.
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...actually, most of that was interactions with AI?
We'll continue this discussion in the morning, after we find out if AI is mafia or SK.
735 is garbage
819 and the exchange I had with him about it are awful
Oh, also this:
(second post is 735 again)
I've actually totally convinced myself on IB now. Let's lynch him ASAP.
Also, never be afraid to die for your team. I got vigged in Homestuck mafia as part of POE, which led to a town win.
Voxx = Toughguy
IB = Roleblocker
Are we good now?
But dying is lame! Though I'd expect to kick the bucket in my first game I'm just surprised it wasn't sooner, but that's how social anxiety works! You believe everyone hates you all the time. It was no different in this game than it is to me IRL.
Also all of these reads are just going over way over head. As for my explanations... If you don't mind waiting a while, I can translate my intuition into plain English for you. Intuition is on the frits, it won't tell me why offhand yet. atm studying for midterm tomorrow.
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Yup.
I think this question got lost in the load of posts:
Should we establish an order in which we claim our night actions tomorrow?
That post doesn't bode too well for Voxx either.
Vote Count Please.
I believe AI was already hammered.