With two scum down, a third on his way out, and the SK exposed, I think we should just do a full role/ability/flavor massclaim.
Once we get rid of AI and Voxx, it'll be approximately 10 town roles vs. 1 anti-town role (possibly but unlikely 9 vs. 2), so really, it's best if we coordinate now rather than later.
Yes, it's only Day 2, and we're wrapping this game up already.
This information is part of your full claim, Rhand.
For the newer players here: Please refrain from asking any questions until everyone has Full Claimed. Once everyone has Full Claimed, then proceed with the questions.
This is simply a formality on this site and goes with all type of Mass Claims.
I am strongly against slavery which is why I joined the confederacy in the American Civil war.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty damn sure the confederacy was pro-slavery and the union was against slavery.
Unvote: Void
I will using my second vote on AI once I see a vote count. I feel strongly about him and I'm not convinced Voxx is the SK.
Also, if Voxx is a vig or even a SK, can't we get him to kill people how we like? Such as, telling him to target AI or somebody tonight? Then if he deviates we lynch him the following day.
I am strongly against slavery which is why I joined the confederacy in the American Civil war.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty damn sure the confederacy was pro-slavery and the union was against slavery.
Unvote: Void
I will using my second vote on AI once I see a vote count. I feel strongly about him and I'm not convinced Voxx is the SK.
Also, if Voxx is a vig or even a SK, can't we get him to kill people how we like? Such as, telling him to target AI or somebody tonight? Then if he deviates we lynch him the following day.
Not sure on the history portion, but your idea does hold merit. Either way we need to wait for the Mass Claim to end before any decisions are made.
Lee did seem to be against slavery, but I don't know if I would call it "strongly". It certainly wasn't the causation for him joining the confederacy. If anything that would be a reason to join the union.
Reading it again, his reason for joining is not wanting to fight his family and friends.
I misunderstood something because I don't know the background.
Napoleon, Town Neighbour. Flavour, I've decided to try being friendly this time instead of invading everywhere. Mechanics, I can target someone at night to prove my affiliation to them. I tried Cyouni on N1, but was blocked.
I'm still Hideki Tojo, Vanilla Town. I was the military leader and PM of Japan during WWII. I'm looking for redemption for myself and the people and land that I love.
Reading it again, his reason for joining is not wanting to fight his family and friends.
I misunderstood something because I don't know the background.
Something tells me the scum are getting screwed over by botching their claims.
I was one of the first African-Americans to play MLB, and helped bring my culture into professional sports, breaking color barriers on the way. My uniform was retired (#44).
I was one of the first to push for women's suffrage and one of the first founders of National American Woman Suffrage Association. I refused to pay for the fine I was cited for in United States v. Susan B. Anthony.
During the day I can vote for a single player. During the night I have one chance to send the name of a dead player. If that player has a night ability I shall gain it. I cannot use the ability the night I gain it.
Reading it again, his reason for joining is not wanting to fight his family and friends.
I misunderstood something because I don't know the background.
Something tells me the scum are getting screwed over by botching their claims.
Something tells me you're reading everything I write from a negative light.
I'm not out of the woods yet... lots of stress and depression killing my levels of motivation, but I'm posting now to deliver on par with what I told the mod. Probably going to disappear for another week after this. When's the deadline again?
@EtR: I just was going with the flow - apply pressure to players and see how they react. Simple enough. I don't regret attacking Cyouni and my opinion pretty much remains the same: I knew nothing about anyone at the time, so I gauged reactions. I didn't like any of his reactions to anything I said, they seemed weak. Perhaps I'm just bad at reading people; plus I'm stubborn. Also...
I think if you were actually trying to scumhunt, you'd do more than make me quote myself to answer you. That or you're just not paying attention, but I also don't like that since a town's job is to be observant.
I wasn't necessarily done with Cyouni (I've also had the motive for a big Void-related post for some time now), but after that flip... well anything is possible to me.
As for my vote on you; I remember voting you because you started to collapse under pressure, except when asked to take a stand you made a good one and then continued contributing once the fire was off. It had nothing to do with Rhand IIRC, probably someone else, reread again. Actually, I think I remember someone doing that to you >_>
-sigh- let's see what else I can write in 20 minutes...
Ooh, Alpha. I never really suspected him for his attack on me, I felt like it was a pretty legit claim on me, followed by the others who followed suit. He (as well as others) backed off once I explained myself, so it was okay. His lack of posting he constantly explains as always being slow which I can sympathize with, I've been roleplaying for as long as I can remember. Some people are just on more often than others.
Mixing up the names... that seems like a really dumb case, no offense. I never saw that as a valid attack on AI, but maybe I missed something (I didn't really read the initial mix-up very well).
Those are all moot points though, as for getting more in-depth... -- hey wait a minute. Dumb attacks? Who started this train? ...Maybe that's not important, with there being such a heavy case on AI. ...And class, finishing this later.
Back.
After his initial attack and backing off I never really paid much attention to AI so I don't have much of a read at all, and what bugs me is the main pursuer of him is Void who I haven't been sure of for the majority of the game. It's not just Void though, which makes me concerned - if this was some false train hyped by scum, I think it would've been exposed by now rather than AI being pegged down as scum for sure. That's just my opinion, however.
As for the leads on Voxxicus being an SK (Which took me like weeks to figure out what that meant =P), lynching him first (assuming you're right) means one less death every night which mostly favors the town currently, being the larger majority. I don't know much about ratios but the scum are usually significantly less in number compared to town? Either way, if you're sure, a lynch here first might be the most favorable in my opinion.
I'm not one to just blindly follow the pack here, if I follow it will be of my own conviction (or intuition, which isn't working so well for me right now). My time as of late is severely limited so re-reading is to be kept at a minimum if I'm going to post at all... Might I be able to ask for a footnote version of the cases here? I read the past few pages keenly but all I gather on it is 'meh' playing from AI and Voxxicus being angry for getting pressured again. Neither one sets off any obvious flags to me. As for Rhand... Looked like town, and now potential scumbuddy? -shakes head- I think this game is going way over my head. I have a lot to learn.
I really want to contribute, but if I try to offer something even potentially new it will just feel forced. Bleh.
Napoleon, Town Neighbour. Flavour, I've decided to try being friendly this time instead of invading everywhere. Mechanics, I can target someone at night to prove my affiliation to them. I tried Cyouni on N1, but was blocked.
I was actually thinking of just claiming while I had the chance before I disassociated again.
Eleanor Roosevelt, Vanilla Town
Wife of a great US President, challenged FDR's new deal policies to include all working class instead of only white men.
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Also I just noticed that I missed the claim of Void copping AI and finding him guilty. That's probably why this whole notion didn't make much sense. Okay. If he actually flips scum my whole opinion on Void will probably change.
Napoleon, Town Neighbour. Flavour, I've decided to try being friendly this time instead of invading everywhere. Mechanics, I can target someone at night to prove my affiliation to them. I tried Cyouni on N1, but was blocked.
Popcorn to EtR.
Why wouldn't you target me to clear yourself?
Targeting anyone would clear myself. I actually thought you would be dead in the morning due to being too trusted, not going through the scum double-think of avoiding the obvious targets. So I went for Cyouni, whom I have had mafia-love for since Basic #10.
Based on the numbers I'm seeing, I'm actually thinking we should lynch AI.
Right now, we need dead bodies. We have a lot of potential suspects, and almost an equal number of clears / near-clears. If we can eliminate the suspects faster than the mafia can kill clears, we're golden.
RobRoy has shown that the mafia have a roleblocker (and the kills show a toughguy), so if we take the mafia down to one member left, they can't roleblock+kill.
Here's what we do -- we make Voxx cooperate with us and kill someone we think is mafia. If he doesn't comply, we lynch him. Non-compliance = he gets lynched = he doesn't fulfill his win condition. Therefore, his best chance of winning is to comply with us.
Dan / Rick / IB(?) / JeY are our vanillas, and I'm almost certain that the last mafiate is within them.
Void -> Cop Dan
Rhand -> Track Rick
Voxx -> Kill IB
Seppel -> Kill JeY in the morning.
Lynch -> Whichever one of the above four didn't get their magic beans.
Swishh -> Backup on Wessel
If all that fails to catch the last mafiate, we lynch Tom or whichever one of the above four who lied.
Once we get rid of AI and Voxx, it'll be approximately 10 town roles vs. 1 anti-town role (possibly but unlikely 9 vs. 2), so really, it's best if we coordinate now rather than later.
Yes, it's only Day 2, and we're wrapping this game up already.
Seppel, this is why you wanted me to stop talking about Swishh.
Are you sure you want this?
I am strongly against slavery which is why I joined the confederacy in the American Civil war. I was a brilliant General.
I can vote during the day and target a player at night. If that player targets someone, I will know who he targeted, but not what he did.
Popcorn to RobRoy.
This information is part of your full claim, Rhand.
For the newer players here: Please refrain from asking any questions until everyone has Full Claimed. Once everyone has Full Claimed, then proceed with the questions.
This is simply a formality on this site and goes with all type of Mass Claims.
In a way I'm glad that Wessel died too or I would've been all over him for Cyouni's body.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty damn sure the confederacy was pro-slavery and the union was against slavery.
Unvote: Void
I will using my second vote on AI once I see a vote count. I feel strongly about him and I'm not convinced Voxx is the SK.
Also, if Voxx is a vig or even a SK, can't we get him to kill people how we like? Such as, telling him to target AI or somebody tonight? Then if he deviates we lynch him the following day.
Not sure on the history portion, but your idea does hold merit. Either way we need to wait for the Mass Claim to end before any decisions are made.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Lee#Lee.27s_views_on_slavery
Lee did seem to be against slavery, but I don't know if I would call it "strongly". It certainly wasn't the causation for him joining the confederacy. If anything that would be a reason to join the union.
I misunderstood something because I don't know the background.
Napoleon, Town Neighbour. Flavour, I've decided to try being friendly this time instead of invading everywhere. Mechanics, I can target someone at night to prove my affiliation to them. I tried Cyouni on N1, but was blocked.
Popcorn to EtR.
I'm still Hideki Tojo, Vanilla Town. I was the military leader and PM of Japan during WWII. I'm looking for redemption for myself and the people and land that I love.
No night actions.
Popcorn to G_D.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Something tells me the scum are getting screwed over by botching their claims.
I was one of the first African-Americans to play MLB, and helped bring my culture into professional sports, breaking color barriers on the way. My uniform was retired (#44).
Swishh.
Fought against Great Britain, one of the best presidents, set some precedents for the presidency.
Welp, everything checks out here.
I was one of the first to push for women's suffrage and one of the first founders of National American Woman Suffrage Association. I refused to pay for the fine I was cited for in United States v. Susan B. Anthony.
During the day I can vote for a single player. During the night I have one chance to send the name of a dead player. If that player has a night ability I shall gain it. I cannot use the ability the night I gain it.
Rick, you're up.
Something tells me you're reading everything I write from a negative light.
@EtR: I just was going with the flow - apply pressure to players and see how they react. Simple enough. I don't regret attacking Cyouni and my opinion pretty much remains the same: I knew nothing about anyone at the time, so I gauged reactions. I didn't like any of his reactions to anything I said, they seemed weak. Perhaps I'm just bad at reading people; plus I'm stubborn. Also...
I wasn't necessarily done with Cyouni (I've also had the motive for a big Void-related post for some time now), but after that flip... well anything is possible to me.
As for my vote on you; I remember voting you because you started to collapse under pressure, except when asked to take a stand you made a good one and then continued contributing once the fire was off. It had nothing to do with Rhand IIRC, probably someone else, reread again. Actually, I think I remember someone doing that to you >_>
-sigh- let's see what else I can write in 20 minutes...
Ooh, Alpha. I never really suspected him for his attack on me, I felt like it was a pretty legit claim on me, followed by the others who followed suit. He (as well as others) backed off once I explained myself, so it was okay. His lack of posting he constantly explains as always being slow which I can sympathize with, I've been roleplaying for as long as I can remember. Some people are just on more often than others.
Mixing up the names... that seems like a really dumb case, no offense. I never saw that as a valid attack on AI, but maybe I missed something (I didn't really read the initial mix-up very well).
Those are all moot points though, as for getting more in-depth... -- hey wait a minute. Dumb attacks? Who started this train? ...Maybe that's not important, with there being such a heavy case on AI. ...And class, finishing this later.
Back.
After his initial attack and backing off I never really paid much attention to AI so I don't have much of a read at all, and what bugs me is the main pursuer of him is Void who I haven't been sure of for the majority of the game. It's not just Void though, which makes me concerned - if this was some false train hyped by scum, I think it would've been exposed by now rather than AI being pegged down as scum for sure. That's just my opinion, however.
As for the leads on Voxxicus being an SK (Which took me like weeks to figure out what that meant =P), lynching him first (assuming you're right) means one less death every night which mostly favors the town currently, being the larger majority. I don't know much about ratios but the scum are usually significantly less in number compared to town? Either way, if you're sure, a lynch here first might be the most favorable in my opinion.
I'm not one to just blindly follow the pack here, if I follow it will be of my own conviction (or intuition, which isn't working so well for me right now). My time as of late is severely limited so re-reading is to be kept at a minimum if I'm going to post at all... Might I be able to ask for a footnote version of the cases here? I read the past few pages keenly but all I gather on it is 'meh' playing from AI and Voxxicus being angry for getting pressured again. Neither one sets off any obvious flags to me. As for Rhand... Looked like town, and now potential scumbuddy? -shakes head- I think this game is going way over my head. I have a lot to learn.
I really want to contribute, but if I try to offer something even potentially new it will just feel forced. Bleh.
I'll save Void/Swishh for a different day.
How is everyone, by the way?
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Vanilla.
Apparently I killed a bunch of people but then stopped doing that?
Next: VOXXICUS
EtR (1) ganderin_dan
AlphaInsidious (1) Tom
Voxxicus (4) Robroy, Void, Seppel, Swishh,
Not Voting (7) AlphaInsidious, Voxxicus, EtR, infectousbaloth, Teh JeY, Rick Santorum, Rhand,
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Perhaps we should skip him.
ALIVE
Seppel - Dayvig // Killed Tzymo & Killjoy
Void - Cop // AI guilty
Tom - Double-voter
Rhand - Tracker // Wessel targeted Cyouni
Robroy - Neighbor (prove alignment to target player) // Failed on Cyouni
Swishh - Backup
Eron - Vanilla
ganderin_dan - Vanilla
Rick Santorum - Vanilla
Voxxicus - "Vig" // Killed Anaklusmos
AlphaInsidious - Mafia lolol
infectousbaloth - ???
TeH JeY - ???
DEAD
Cyouni - Doc
Wessel - Ability Cop
Killjoy - Vanilla
Anaklusmos - Vanilla
Tzymo - Goon
LoT - Goon
@IB & JeY: Just claim.
Why wouldn't you target me to clear yourself?
Why target Wessel?
Swishh (2) Cythare, LoT
Teh JeY (2) Cyouni, AI
Anaklusmos (4) Killjoy, Void, Rhand, Tom
Eron (9): Seppel, LoT, Voxx, Rhand, Wessel, JeY, Swishh, AI, Rick/Megs
Lord of Tresserhorn (10): Void, AI, Eron, Cyouni, Swishh, Tom, Seppel, infectiousbaloth, Voxxicus, ganderin_dan
Killjoy (7) Voxxicus, Void, Eron, JeY, Tom, Tom, AI
Not on the LoT wagon: Robroy, Rhand, Rick/Megs, JeY
Not on the LoT wagon but was on the Eron wagon: Rhand, Rick/Megs, JeY
Nothing conclusive, but definitely some decent supporting evidence.
Eleanor Roosevelt, Vanilla Town
Wife of a great US President, challenged FDR's new deal policies to include all working class instead of only white men.
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Also I just noticed that I missed the claim of Void copping AI and finding him guilty. That's probably why this whole notion didn't make much sense. Okay. If he actually flips scum my whole opinion on Void will probably change.
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Targeting anyone would clear myself. I actually thought you would be dead in the morning due to being too trusted, not going through the scum double-think of avoiding the obvious targets. So I went for Cyouni, whom I have had mafia-love for since Basic #10.
Does it matter?
No kidding
Admitting defeat I see.
IB hasn't claimed, but I believe we have enough to move forward.
Both for not wanting proof of RobRoy's alignment and for reading defeat in my post.
Neither make sense.
Why those questions?
Right now, we need dead bodies. We have a lot of potential suspects, and almost an equal number of clears / near-clears. If we can eliminate the suspects faster than the mafia can kill clears, we're golden.
RobRoy has shown that the mafia have a roleblocker (and the kills show a toughguy), so if we take the mafia down to one member left, they can't roleblock+kill.
Here's what we do -- we make Voxx cooperate with us and kill someone we think is mafia. If he doesn't comply, we lynch him. Non-compliance = he gets lynched = he doesn't fulfill his win condition. Therefore, his best chance of winning is to comply with us.
Dan / Rick / IB(?) / JeY are our vanillas, and I'm almost certain that the last mafiate is within them.
Void -> Cop Dan
Rhand -> Track Rick
Voxx -> Kill IB
Seppel -> Kill JeY in the morning.
Lynch -> Whichever one of the above four didn't get their magic beans.
Swishh -> Backup on Wessel
If all that fails to catch the last mafiate, we lynch Tom or whichever one of the above four who lied.
Then we lynch Voxx and win.
Questions / comments / concerns?
unvote; vote Voxx