AlphaInsidious may have weak Day 1's, but this game is an exception to that rule.
How so? I don't understand what you're implying...
Clearly you think I'm scum, so then how does that line up with this game being an exception to my usual meta?
AlphaInsidious assumed that I am using meta to determine to his alignment. While that is one interpretation of that post there is also another.
I'm going to claim a portion of my role and that is that I Copped AlphaInsidious last night. The result did no favors to him. Either AlphaInsidious is a part of the Mafia or he is the SK. But I decided to test the waters here:
It would seem to place Vox in a position of likely town or SK. I don't see mafia claiming their kill regardless of the situation; compounded by the fact that Vox went from denying his hand in the kill to making it public knowledge in 6 posts flat, simply because a few voices asked the party to claim.
Doesn't make sense from a mafia perspective to me.
I do not see this response coming from a SK. I purposely asked AlphaInsidious to respond to Voxx’s claim for this reason. I wanted to see who I was dealing with. I commented back to AlphaInsidious, bolding the “mafia perspective” portion raising an eyebrow because, at that point, I knew that AlphaInsidious is scum this game. I then attempted to inform the town of my findings without being to point blank about it. Here are those posts:
But seriously, I guess you just misunderstood what I said. This is what happens to AI in basically all his games. You're just going through the motions.
I'm not misunderstanding anything. And I'm not "going through the motions" as you put it either. You're are a likely candidate to be a scum buddy of AlphaInsidious.
Seppel
I was merely pointing out to Rhand that his reasoning wasn't correct. I'm not focusing on swishh so much. I'm far more interested in AlphaInsidious and ganderin_dan.
AI always has weak D1s. We should give him at least until mid D2 to impress us.
AlphaInsidious may have weak Day 1's, but this game is an exception to that rule.
I'm still working on my reread of the game, but it is from the view point of AlphaInsidious being scum. I will post my notes when I am done with the read.
AlphaInsidious, your time has come. You are scum and need to die.
This is going to sound radical, but with the way AI reacted to Voxx, I'm very convinced that Voxx is the SK and that we should lynch Voxx first -- it means we'll get one less dead townie in the morning.
Or the SK might hit town and we lose twice as many towns as we want to. Bottom line we need to lynch SK eventually. Even if Voxx name claimed and even if Seppel could shoot him, I doubt he'll survive to tomorrow to do so. Seems like this is our best option unless a vig wants to claim.
This is going to sound radical, but with the way AI reacted to Voxx, I'm very convinced that Voxx is the SK and that we should lynch Voxx first -- it means we'll get one less dead townie in the morning.
Plus, I can kill Alpha.
I'd also like to complete the nameclaim game.
I'm currently torn on Voxx being the SK. Tom made a post that made it look like Swishh coud be the SK. I saw that in Post #727:
Really? I'm town and I still care what people think of me.
It just seems odd that they would question Voxx about it when he's far from the only person to town read me.
In answer to your question, my questioning Voxx had nothing to do with my own thoughts of your alignment, I just wanted to know Voxx's reasoning for his read on you changing.
You are coming across rather worried for something so little.
I had also thought that Rhand could be the SK because of Post #338 where Eron points out Rhand’s cautiousness:
I was ready to switch my vote back to captain T after reading his silly post, but there's no need for that anymore
I agree on most of Seppel's reads.
I'm just not 100% convinced of RobRoy being town.
@Seppel: Are you sure that RobRoy isn't bussing Captain T in #219?
I didn't vote EtR right away because that would give him an OMGUS card to play with. I think he saw me as low hanging fruit.
unvote Anaklusmos, vote EtR
I don't understand why you all can't see this as extremely cautious. It's a basic barn of Seppel because at this point he's got all the town points, but throws out a basic question to show that he's "thinking things through." Then there is the last sentence that is clearly more concerned about self image than pushing a case against me.
But AlphaInsidious eliminated that thought in Post # 350 with his response about Rhand and Eron.
I have been thinking about what the others said about your play and slept on it. I believe I've been tunneling you. I've been operating on a "guilty until proven innocent" principle which is terrible, since there's about 3/4ths of the town that are innocent. Looking at you from an "innocent until proven guilty" view, your posts read extremely new player. I can't be positive you're not scum, but that doesn't mean I need to tunnel you, since if you are scum, you'll slip up later. Unvote
Do you typically start from a "guilty until proven innocent" principle when judging people?
Massive town points for Rhand, not even counting EtR's poor and strangely persistent case on him.
This doesn't seem like a question from Rhand that a buddy would ask, since it's designed to invite outside pressure.
Looking back, Tyzmo's post doesn't even make any sense. He even calls 3/4 of "the town" innocent, which now seems like an obvious slip. Considering he was referencing Lennonmint, that also bodes well for him.
Since AlphaInsidious is scum I am reading this as AlphaInsidious protecting this scum buddy (Rhand) and attempting to divert the lynch to Eron.
ganderin_dan
I wasn’t sure what I was seeing there and thought distancing was the better word choice, but I couldn’t think of another word to use. I wouldn’t worry about it anymore though. We have a lot information to work with at the moment.
Seppel
I saw that you’re sure of Voxx being the SK. Do you still feel the same way with the information I presented?
I'm not getting sent overseas for work! I also might have more free time now.
But, I also have some bad news.
I'm not the SK, so lynching me is dumb.
(I'm not fully caught up, I just skimmed through things quick to see if I'd been replaced or not).
I'll full claim if I get run up, but I'd still rather not prior to that.
I will direct this at Seppel - what possible motivation would a SK (who generally has to be last man standing) have to claim he killed someone when a day vig was outed, and /three/ bodies had appeared that night? There's effectively zero chance I make it to the end after I claim killing capability. I was guaranteed to either be lynched, daykilled by you, or shot by scum for being a power role prior to then.
I think there might be a SK. But if there was, it was the person responsible for Wessel or Cyouni.
I'll finish up the re-read post I had been working on either later tonight or (more likely), tomorrow. Going out with my fiancee to celebrate not, y'know. Getting shipped off to bat**** nowhere.
(Preview Edit) - I see there are more votes on me. Stop that. You're being bad.
I will direct this at Seppel - what possible motivation would a SK (who generally has to be last man standing) have to claim he killed someone when a day vig was outed, and /three/ bodies had appeared that night?
I'm not getting sent overseas for work! I also might have more free time now.
But, I also have some bad news.
I'm not the SK, so lynching me is dumb.
(I'm not fully caught up, I just skimmed through things quick to see if I'd been replaced or not).
I'll full claim if I get run up, but I'd still rather not prior to that.
I will direct this at Seppel - what possible motivation would a SK (who generally has to be last man standing) have to claim he killed someone when a day vig was outed, and /three/ bodies had appeared that night? There's effectively zero chance I make it to the end after I claim killing capability. I was guaranteed to either be lynched, daykilled by you, or shot by scum for being a power role prior to then.
I think there might be a SK. But if there was, it was the person responsible for Wessel or Cyouni.
I'll finish up the re-read post I had been working on either later tonight or (more likely), tomorrow. Going out with my fiancee to celebrate not, y'know. Getting shipped off to bat**** nowhere.
(Preview Edit) - I see there are more votes on me. Stop that. You're being bad.
Since you believe there is an SK, who do you believe it to be?
Still working my reread (On Page 26 at 60ppp). Please do not lynch Voxxicus until I can get this completed and posted all of my thoughts. I might not see the light of Tomorrow.
I will have the reread done and posted by tomorrows end of day.
19 players... 1 likely SK, 1 dayvig, 1 toughguy, assuming my accuracy would be 33%... factor in that we could be standing at a potential 6 dead townies by this point with only 1 mislynch (which leaves us with 13 players) then with 5 scum, it would only take a potential 2 mislynches to lose.
@ 3 mislynches that gives us approximately 4 scum.
...
Considering there's likely only one scum left after AI, sure.
Post #298 Rhand claims he hasn't learned not be defensive, but the emoticon makes the post read as sarcastic/scummy intention.
Post #349 Rhand ignores my post about Mason Chat and paints me as scum for it.
Post #350 AlphaInsidious defends Rhand and attacks Eron's case. Wording of Rhand and buddy sounds like a slip and involves Captain T I'm liking a Rhand/AlphaInsidious scum team.
Post #581 Voxx is the first to mention SK in a serious manner and tried to paint Seppel as the Day SK.
Post #679 Voxx calls out KJ for fearmongering when that was not the case. I disagree that killjoy was fearmongering with "possibly neutral although less likely". The post from killjoy shows that he doubts me being a Neutral. Voxx is using this to his advantage to get on board the killjoy wagon.
Post #754 RobRoy claimed to have been RB'd. I believe him.
Post #781 Voxx ignores Seppel's question and begins including SK/Scum in posts rather than just SK. Could be an indication of a SK mindset thinking of SK only rather than Scum/SK.
Post #972 Rhand slips? Drunk posting could be truth posting. Rhand may be the final scum member with AsianI being the SK. Something to look into if Voxx flips town.
Town
Seppel
RobRoy
infectiousbaloth
Teh JeY
Leaning Town
swishh
ganderin_dan
Eron
Neutral
Mr. Santorum
Scum
AlphaInsidious
Rhand
Tom
Serial Killer
Voxxicus
My preferred lynching order is: Voxxicus, AlphaInsidious, Rhand, then Tom.
I'm going to claim a portion of my role and that is that I Copped AlphaInsidious last night. The result did no favors to him. Either AlphaInsidious is a part of the Mafia or he is the SK.
Wow. I don't know what to say exactly, but you are certainly barking up the wrong tree somehow. It's either a cop result gambit on your part (has happened to me in the past) or you are getting false information back.
Did your result or role give you any indication that you could be insane or paranoid?
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Should you flip scum, ganderin_dan, then I have idea to who the last scum may be, if you and Alphainsidious are not the last two.
Since no answered my question about how many scum are in a 19 player game I am operating under the idea that it is a 4 Man scum team with a SK lurking around somewhere. If there is not an SK, then it's a 5 man team with a Tough Guy.
I have one scum member pegged. He coulld be the SK, but I doubt that with how he responded to Voxx's claim.
This doesn't explain the 3 deaths. You can all call me out for bad posts and not paying attention to the game, but it's your own logic that is flawed.
The only way one of your scenarios is correct is for Voxx to be telling the truth.
I really don't know what to think about this whole Void/AlphaInsidious business. Could be an overly intricate bus. Could be Void is legit and Rhand needs to take his place on the scum list.
Wow. I don't know what to say exactly, but you are certainly barking up the wrong tree somehow. It's either a cop result gambit on your part (has happened to me in the past) or you are getting false information back.
Did your result or role give you any indication that you could be insane or paranoid?
I know I'm a townie, and I believe you're a townie too. Clearly something happened here, and there must be a better solution available than suicide pact mode.
Voting people because "they annoy you?" And even worse, as soon as you're called out, you vote the person who called you out on it. Scummy, scummy, scum.
I think this vote speaks well for Swishh knowing that LoT was scum.
@swishh: is your post sarcastic?
Also, I don't think you've answered why you were "hesitant" on your vote for Void. Please do.
I don't care for this post by Tom. It appears that he's trying to spin back Swishh's joke post back into a more negative sounding "sarcastic" post. I'm starting to question the double voter = Town perspective.
My name is based off a random paper i found when i was 6 i was trying to come up with an rpg name so my mom looked at some random papers and we got lennonmint its been my name for everything ever since then
Here we get some spam well after the conversation had moved on from where our usernames were derived from. Why? You could see that we were now actually discussing things, so no need to go back to the contentless information.
My name is based off a random paper i found when i was 6 i was trying to come up with an rpg name so my mom looked at some random papers and we got lennonmint its been my name for everything ever since then
Yeah, my vote's staying here for now. Care to respond to it?
Why are you voting for me?
Suddenly get defensive. Over one vote that was already on you? Why what are you so worried about? Why not actually post content that proves you're hunting for scum, rather than just screwing around?
My name is based off a random paper i found when i was 6 i was trying to come up with an rpg name so my mom looked at some random papers and we got lennonmint its been my name for everything ever since then
Do you have nothing else to say about the game?
your quick to jump on my back its the first day
And again, more defensiveness. Especially for someone who didn't even vote you. Not only are you avoiding putting anything out, you're completely skittish. Someone shines a light on you, and you start running like your life depends on it.
In other news, poooooooooost MandersHex.
I think this post from Captain Tyzmo could be seen one of two ways. The first and most likely speaks well for Lennon/IB. It reads as attacking a new player - the low hanging fruit mentality. The second is coaching. I'm reading it as the first but I would like to see other opinions on it.
Unvote, Vote Cyouni. I asked a simple question and you gave a simple answer though there seems to be a lacking... really bad at wording this probably, but a lacking for much further exploration. There's a magical word (or something like that) I was looking for and it's not there.
[Also new strategy to avoid edit button: Let this post sit here on my txt file and come back to it later =D]
Knowing that Cyouni was town makes me feel worse about Teh JeY due to this post. It was a vote on Cyouni for what feels like relatively loose reasoning. @Teh JeY Knowing now that Cyouni was town, how does this change your opinion of this interaction?
Cyouni's Post here is a good summation of Teh JeY's posting so far and I think it's something that needs to be looked at.
I believe your post changed how Lennon was reacting and now that you have unvote Lennon makes me believe the two of you are know more about this game than the rest of the town.
So now you think that both of us are scum? I could have found his reaction to be more townie, and have unvoted him as such. Why specifically is that coaching, especially since if we were scumbuddies, I could have done that out of thread?
I have been thinking about what the others said about your play and slept on it. I believe I've been tunneling you. I've been operating on a "guilty until proven innocent" principle which is terrible, since there's about 3/4ths of the town that are innocent. Looking at you from an "innocent until proven guilty" view, your posts read extremely new player. I can't be positive you're not scum, but that doesn't mean I need to tunnel you, since if you are scum, you'll slip up later. Unvote
Do you typically start from a "guilty until proven innocent" principle when judging people?
Yes, the meta I had been in often had people jumping at shadows. So every little thing often got over-blown. And considering how my last game ended, it's why I've had so much trouble. The scum easily fooled us into jumping at shadows. I do not want to repeat that mistake.
That's the answer I needed. unvote
I'm going to hop on the Anaklusmos train.
I'm still convinced that at least 1 scum is to be found on the early Lennon wagon, and his daytalk slip looks really ugly.
Vote: Anaklusmos
I'm going to go back and say again that this post still gives me bad vibes from Rhand. He gets off the Captain T wagon and moves to a now proven townie in Anak.
I was ready to switch my vote back to captain T after reading his silly post, but there's no need for that anymore
I agree on most of Seppel's reads.
I'm just not 100% convinced of RobRoy being town.
@Seppel: Are you sure that RobRoy isn't bussing Captain T in #219?
I didn't vote EtR right away because that would give him an OMGUS card to play with. I think he saw me as low hanging fruit.
unvote Anaklusmos, vote EtR
I also don't care for this post. The bolded at the beginning is a way to voice agreement with the DayKill and the question to Seppel in retrospect feels forced.
With the deadline rapidly approaching, I think I still want to lynch Eron over the alternatives.
Void isn't someone I'm all that interested in. Too many people that I have scum reads on voting for him to be worth pushing through fairly quickly.
LoT is a possibility. I'd have zero problems with him and EtR both dying. They're both scum reads, and the recent distancing feels like just that. Seppel comes in, blows Captain up, and says we're lynching Eron. An early vote on him after the reset isn't terribly indicative of alignment, considering that.
But I think I ultimately still want to lynch Eron, despite feeling slightly conflicted by his resignation.
Unless enough people want to lynch Kill Joy instead, maybe.
Might have more thoughts tomorrow, but I'm extremely tired. Has been a stupidly long day.
This post still reads to me as trying to push me over a now confirmed scum and there is also the bit about KJ who is now confirmed town. Voxx hasn't previously mentioned KJ at all but is now willing to lynch him without providing reasoning.
Rhand has been doing his best ever since the Captain interaction to destroy the strong townread I had on him stemming from that.
Still think he's solidly town, because I can't see Rhand/Captain/EtR all being scum together, to say the least. But man.
This came right after Seppel started to downgrade his town opinion of Rhand (by 5%). I feel like this is setting up to bus Rhand if the need arises later.
EtR: I was originally raising an eyebrow at Seppel abandoning the EtR cause, but his replies do feel pretty real to me. But, we gave him a huge chance to make some statements and maybe he's taking us for a joyride, maybe he's starting to really try hard to make us believe that he's town. He didn't remain defeatist which I think is the main point here, and he hasn't exactly relaxed once the spotlight was off of him, which works well in his favor.
Unvote
Rhand: Has always been in my eye even though Seppel tried to guarantee he was town, I'm still not entirely sure. I'll have to trust the lot of you that say he's solidly town from [x] and [y] posts since I'm not too sure how to make the distinction myself. I'll learn I guess, maybe I'll re-read for real this time and figure it out. It's probably something really obvious too.
Weren't you voting me at some point because you disagreed with my points against Rhand?
Finished my reread and now here is where I stand (each section isn't in any particular order):
Seppel - dayvig
IB (r. Lennon) - attacked by CaptainTyzmo, feels like town
Rhand - attacked CptT, feels like town
Swishh - attacked by LoT and attacked LoT
EtR - LoT's scapegoat wagon
Voxx - I like his play, feels like town
Teh Jey - Play doesn't feel like scum
Robroy - I remember I found something that had him leaning town but I can't remember what it is now...
Rick
G_d
Void - As Rick pointed out, LoT and CptT seemed concerned when he (Rick) voted Void near the beginning of the game. I also don't like a lot of Void's play
AlphaInsidious - Upon review some of his early posts I didn't mind, but really most of the game he hasn't been doing much. 18 posts so far and some of them are fluff. What particularly bothers me is the stuff in the spoiler below.
You are very eager to know why you are name-claiming, but not interested enough to refuse Seppel. Why are you so interested in appeasing the request of one person?
Because the request came from town, so complying is helping a townie to further their understanding of the game. That can only help the town. I'm eager to know why simply because it bothers me that people are seeing things that I'm not, and it's a bit frustrating to me that I can't figure it out.
I'm also bothered by AI conveniently catching CptT's 3/4 of the town slip soon after Tyzmo was killed, though of course it is possible that AI is town that didn't see it yada yada.
Vote: AlphaInsidious
Vote: Void
I'm going to take a break now but in a bit I'm going to reread Void's and AI's posts specifically to see if I can find anything else.
Just look at his posts, man. Where's the scum motivation?
The only really disturbing thing is that it feels like he's a completely different player now. Compared to his bad and short D1 posts, his D2 posts are legendary.
I was just thinking the same thing about his posts from the two that he had right before this one. There's a remarkable difference.
These are not town posts, but they're townie posts.
Please stop them.
Not voting for Voxx.
So you're content to leave your vote on me and doing nothing of use?
With everything being said and done, I feel more comfortable with a AI lynch considering it seems to be a lock with Void's cop results. My next top suspects are Dan, Rhand and Voxx.
Seppel/Void - why are we going Voxx at this point? Wouldn't the guaranteed scum be better than the maybe serial killer?
I don't see Void pulling this kind of stunt as mafia when down two bodies, which gives him credibility. I still don't like Voxx, but would happily switch my vote over to AI for today's lynch... but only once Voxx finally responds to my 754.
Huh. It also makes this response to me from AI feel more explicable:
On a related note, does the person who blocked me last night want to claim? I'm willing to listen to you too, although there is a distinct possibility I will want to lynch you afterwards.
Why make this public? I know you explained that you didn't expect anybody to step forward, but I don't see the logic for offering this information so immediately. Seems like a useful thing to keep close to your chest as a trap possibility, and also keeps you from giving away information about your night.
I hadn't really understood why it was being questioned at the time. If I look at this from a scum mindset trying to discourage people from coming forward in the future, it makes more sense.
Pros for lynching AI: One scum down, potentially roleblocker.
Pros for lynching Voxx: Very likely the SK, reduces our NK count by 1, I am able to daykill AI tomorrow.
Well, if you are still alive.
Oh, I forgot to mention the mass roleclaim! I am for it, and am fine roleclaiming, but I don't know that we ever established an order. Is there a consensus on this? Seppel, do you want to start a popcorn chain?
It's a style of claiming were the player who claims first, then gets to name the next player to claim. The player annoucing the popcorn will typically pick their strongest scumspect.
IB
Because of my travels and being the great westenizer I am I know the distiction between someone speaking gospel and "tells" that someone hsa lied. AlphaInsidious was not truth speaking.
AlphaInsidious assumed that I am using meta to determine to his alignment. While that is one interpretation of that post there is also another.
I'm going to claim a portion of my role and that is that I Copped AlphaInsidious last night. The result did no favors to him. Either AlphaInsidious is a part of the Mafia or he is the SK. But I decided to test the waters here:
And the response from AlphaInsidious:
I do not see this response coming from a SK. I purposely asked AlphaInsidious to respond to Voxx’s claim for this reason. I wanted to see who I was dealing with. I commented back to AlphaInsidious, bolding the “mafia perspective” portion raising an eyebrow because, at that point, I knew that AlphaInsidious is scum this game. I then attempted to inform the town of my findings without being to point blank about it. Here are those posts:
Since that approach wasn’t working I tried a more direct approach when I saw what looked like distancing from ganderin_dan:
I'm still working on my reread of the game, but it is from the view point of AlphaInsidious being scum. I will post my notes when I am done with the read.
AlphaInsidious, your time has come. You are scum and need to die.
Plus, I can kill Alpha.
I'd also like to complete the nameclaim game.
Do you think it's SK, NK and though guy then?
If so, we better leave the SK alive and lynch scum because the SK might hit scum.
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I'm the vig
I'm currently torn on Voxx being the SK. Tom made a post that made it look like Swishh coud be the SK. I saw that in Post #727:
I had also thought that Rhand could be the SK because of Post #338 where Eron points out Rhand’s cautiousness:
But AlphaInsidious eliminated that thought in Post # 350 with his response about Rhand and Eron.
Since AlphaInsidious is scum I am reading this as AlphaInsidious protecting this scum buddy (Rhand) and attempting to divert the lynch to Eron.
ganderin_dan
I wasn’t sure what I was seeing there and thought distancing was the better word choice, but I couldn’t think of another word to use. I wouldn’t worry about it anymore though. We have a lot information to work with at the moment.
Seppel
I saw that you’re sure of Voxx being the SK. Do you still feel the same way with the information I presented?
After thorough consideration, yes.
Vote: Voxxicus
Unvote, vote Voxx
I'm not getting sent overseas for work! I also might have more free time now.
But, I also have some bad news.
I'm not the SK, so lynching me is dumb.
(I'm not fully caught up, I just skimmed through things quick to see if I'd been replaced or not).
I'll full claim if I get run up, but I'd still rather not prior to that.
I will direct this at Seppel - what possible motivation would a SK (who generally has to be last man standing) have to claim he killed someone when a day vig was outed, and /three/ bodies had appeared that night? There's effectively zero chance I make it to the end after I claim killing capability. I was guaranteed to either be lynched, daykilled by you, or shot by scum for being a power role prior to then.
I think there might be a SK. But if there was, it was the person responsible for Wessel or Cyouni.
I'll finish up the re-read post I had been working on either later tonight or (more likely), tomorrow. Going out with my fiancee to celebrate not, y'know. Getting shipped off to bat**** nowhere.
(Preview Edit) - I see there are more votes on me. Stop that. You're being bad.
Fear.
It worked on AI.
Congrats.
Since you believe there is an SK, who do you believe it to be?
Vote: Voxxicus
because I want you to claim
And likely to be town at this point.
Still working my reread (On Page 26 at 60ppp). Please do not lynch Voxxicus until I can get this completed and posted all of my thoughts. I might not see the light of Tomorrow.
I will have the reread done and posted by tomorrows end of day.
and I really hope that wasn't a condescending remark.
also I'm a little drunk.
yes it is 6:48 here.
no I do not care.
19 players... 1 likely SK, 1 dayvig, 1 toughguy, assuming my accuracy would be 33%... factor in that we could be standing at a potential 6 dead townies by this point with only 1 mislynch (which leaves us with 13 players) then with 5 scum, it would only take a potential 2 mislynches to lose.
@ 3 mislynches that gives us approximately 4 scum.
...
Considering there's likely only one scum left after AI, sure.
/lol
These are not town posts, but they're townie posts.
Please stop them.
Not voting for Voxx.
I thought killing scum would mean one less dead townie too.
Post #134 Captain T attacks Lennon/IB for plain sight lurking and awful reasoning.
Post #169 Wessel points out that Voxx is overkilling his explanation.
Post #175 Anak gives great reason to why Lennon/IB are town.
Post #176 Tom gets wishy washy over Lennon/IB.
Post #180 Anak questions Tom for his reasoning on when to claim. I agree with Anak.
Post #183 Tom shows an inconsistancy by saying "He had no reason too" when he had supplied the reasoning in the previous post.
Post #190 Wessel shows why Cythare is probably town.
Post #200 Megs gets wishy washy over me. Still showing a consistency of wanting to lynch me.
Post #202 Eron makes sense of his post about voting.
Post #269 How does Voxx know there ARE new!town and new!scum? This comes prior to Seppel's Day Kill. No know alignments at the time.
Post #270 Cyouni points out that Rhand has jumped in his response. I sgree.
Post #273 Rhand's defense is lacking. You can still be jumpy to pointless questions.
Post #276 Thank you, Cyouni, for pointing out the issue with Rhands post.
Post #296 If Rhand flips scum, then Eron is town
Post #298 Rhand claims he hasn't learned not be defensive, but the emoticon makes the post read as sarcastic/scummy intention.
Post #349 Rhand ignores my post about Mason Chat and paints me as scum for it.
Post #350 AlphaInsidious defends Rhand and attacks Eron's case. Wording of Rhand and buddy sounds like a slip and involves Captain T I'm liking a Rhand/AlphaInsidious scum team.
Post #581 Voxx is the first to mention SK in a serious manner and tried to paint Seppel as the Day SK.
Post #679 Voxx calls out KJ for fearmongering when that was not the case. I disagree that killjoy was fearmongering with "possibly neutral although less likely". The post from killjoy shows that he doubts me being a Neutral. Voxx is using this to his advantage to get on board the killjoy wagon.
Post #754 RobRoy claimed to have been RB'd. I believe him.
Post #781 Voxx ignores Seppel's question and begins including SK/Scum in posts rather than just SK. Could be an indication of a SK mindset thinking of SK only rather than Scum/SK.
Post #972 Rhand slips? Drunk posting could be truth posting. Rhand may be the final scum member with AsianI being the SK. Something to look into if Voxx flips town.
Town
Seppel
RobRoy
infectiousbaloth
Teh JeY
Leaning Town
swishh
ganderin_dan
Eron
Neutral
Mr. Santorum
Scum
AlphaInsidious
Rhand
Tom
Serial Killer
Voxxicus
My preferred lynching order is: Voxxicus, AlphaInsidious, Rhand, then Tom.
Pay attention to the game and you would know I have discussed this already.
Wow. I don't know what to say exactly, but you are certainly barking up the wrong tree somehow. It's either a cop result gambit on your part (has happened to me in the past) or you are getting false information back.
Did your result or role give you any indication that you could be insane or paranoid?
This doesn't explain the 3 deaths. You can all call me out for bad posts and not paying attention to the game, but it's your own logic that is flawed.
The only way one of your scenarios is correct is for Voxx to be telling the truth.
Xyre faked it better:
Suspending suspicion of void.
unvote.
I still need to reread this game. Now that Ataghan is done I think I can take some time to do that.
I think this vote speaks well for Swishh knowing that LoT was scum.
I don't care for this post by Tom. It appears that he's trying to spin back Swishh's joke post back into a more negative sounding "sarcastic" post. I'm starting to question the double voter = Town perspective.
I think this post from Captain Tyzmo could be seen one of two ways. The first and most likely speaks well for Lennon/IB. It reads as attacking a new player - the low hanging fruit mentality. The second is coaching. I'm reading it as the first but I would like to see other opinions on it.
Knowing that Cyouni was town makes me feel worse about Teh JeY due to this post. It was a vote on Cyouni for what feels like relatively loose reasoning. @Teh JeY Knowing now that Cyouni was town, how does this change your opinion of this interaction?
Cyouni's Post here is a good summation of Teh JeY's posting so far and I think it's something that needs to be looked at.
In regards to Captain Tzymo's previous post, it appears that he is indeed pushing Lennon. Again, I think this speaks well for IB.
"I've found" a reason to leave it there. These interactions really clear IB in my opinion. It could be bussing, but I don't think so.
@Tom: Did you believe this was a slip?
I'm going to go back and say again that this post still gives me bad vibes from Rhand. He gets off the Captain T wagon and moves to a now proven townie in Anak.
I also don't care for this post. The bolded at the beginning is a way to voice agreement with the DayKill and the question to Seppel in retrospect feels forced.
Still not a great post from Tom. 1 is a vote on someone I know is town and the other is a vote on someone that is proven to be town.
This post still reads to me as trying to push me over a now confirmed scum and there is also the bit about KJ who is now confirmed town. Voxx hasn't previously mentioned KJ at all but is now willing to lynch him without providing reasoning.
This came right after Seppel started to downgrade his town opinion of Rhand (by 5%). I feel like this is setting up to bus Rhand if the need arises later.
Weren't you voting me at some point because you disagreed with my points against Rhand?
I would like to know why you are voting me now. You have consistently pushed for me and not provided any reasoning.
Tom what is your reasoning on G_D?
I was just thinking the same thing about his posts from the two that he had right before this one. There's a remarkable difference.
I agree with this post. I don't understand the half-hearted way that G_D tries to redirect from AI.
Paranoia?
If Rhand ends up being scum...
So you're content to leave your vote on me and doing nothing of use?
Seppel/Void - why are we going Voxx at this point? Wouldn't the guaranteed scum be better than the maybe serial killer?
I don't see Void pulling this kind of stunt as mafia when down two bodies, which gives him credibility. I still don't like Voxx, but would happily switch my vote over to AI for today's lynch... but only once Voxx finally responds to my 754.
Huh. It also makes this response to me from AI feel more explicable:
I hadn't really understood why it was being questioned at the time. If I look at this from a scum mindset trying to discourage people from coming forward in the future, it makes more sense.
Pros for lynching Voxx: Very likely the SK, reduces our NK count by 1, I am able to daykill AI tomorrow.
Well, if you are still alive.
Oh, I forgot to mention the mass roleclaim! I am for it, and am fine roleclaiming, but I don't know that we ever established an order. Is there a consensus on this? Seppel, do you want to start a popcorn chain?
It's a style of claiming were the player who claims first, then gets to name the next player to claim. The player annoucing the popcorn will typically pick their strongest scumspect.
IB
Because of my travels and being the great westenizer I am I know the distiction between someone speaking gospel and "tells" that someone hsa lied. AlphaInsidious was not truth speaking.