I'm certainly not, but feel free to vote me. This Rhand is different than Rhand from [redacted] and [redacted]. I'm not going to change my mind just because I'm getting votes. If I die because of it, it will blow his cover.
@Wessel: What makes EtR scum as opposed to tunnel-visioning?
EtR is twisting everything Rhand says to make it look like scum while the posts are actually either nulltells or perfectly fine, and for including Rhand's RVS posts as arguments to show he's posting fluff (while in RVS everyone posts fluff, by definition). Only scum need to provide false evidence. This early in the game, at a point where there's hardly any pressure on EtR, there is no need, and no town motivation, to paint someone as scum.
I believe that also more than adequately describes tunnel-visioning town (reference: pretty much every tunnel-visioned case).
The fact that Mr. Santorum jumps to the conclusion that Anak is talking about Day Chat without any sort of reference to when the scum can talk is a jump in logic. The catch of the slip without a vote doesn't mesh up together. Based on this posting from Mr. Santorum and the lack of voting I would believe him to be a good candidate (no pun intended :laugh:) of being a scum buddy to Anak.
Based on Tom's post I would believe Tom to be a good candidate for Town as the vote is rather... lacking and follows the misguided logic that Anak slipped about Day Chat when it was simply a slip about another chat out side of this forum. Something I believe town would be more likely to do in a situation like so.
As for the chat outside the forum comment from Anak: The comment doesn't necessarily mean that Anak is scum. He could be referring to a different type of chat related to this game (EG: Mason), but just because Anak could be a Mason doesn't mean that Anak would be a Town Mason. More pressure is needed here as this is becoming a stronger lead than others.
I dislike the fact that you are defending Anak instead of waiting for Anak to defend himself. I also dislike the fact that you are both defending Anak and attacking RS by labelling him as Anak's scumbuddy. I am starting to be on-board with the "lynch Void" wagon.
Hm. Somehow I didn't quite notice that he was partially defending Anak at the same time that he's calling Anak scum.
Good point.
Compare EtR's statements:
* I'm not going to pile on with a vote at this point, but I would like to hear more from Swishh regarding his comment.
* Hmmm. I didn't vote because I didn't think it was really worthy of a vote. I didn't see the action as scummy but was interested in his thoughts from the statement.
...and this is fake because Swishh posted between these two posts and Eron didn't follow up on it.
A note that "hmmm" here is a pause for thought where there shouldn't be any.
I was ready to switch my vote back to captain T after reading his silly post, but there's no need for that anymore
I agree on most of Seppel's reads.
I'm just not 100% convinced of RobRoy being town.
@Seppel: Are you sure that RobRoy isn't bussing Captain T in #219?
I didn't vote EtR right away because that would give him an OMGUS card to play with. I think he saw me as low hanging fruit.
I'm certainly not, but feel free to vote me. This Rhand is different than Rhand from [redacted] and [redacted]. I'm not going to change my mind just because I'm getting votes. If I die because of it, it will blow his cover.
What does Rhand being different from some other Rhand have to do with your case?
You're not going to change your mind, but you're not going to respond to the things said against you?
@Wessel: What makes EtR scum as opposed to tunnel-visioning?
EtR is twisting everything Rhand says to make it look like scum while the posts are actually either nulltells or perfectly fine, and for including Rhand's RVS posts as arguments to show he's posting fluff (while in RVS everyone posts fluff, by definition). Only scum need to provide false evidence. This early in the game, at a point where there's hardly any pressure on EtR, there is no need, and no town motivation, to paint someone as scum.
I believe that also more than adequately describes tunnel-visioning town (reference: pretty much every tunnel-visioned case).
Compare EtR's statements:
* I'm not going to pile on with a vote at this point, but I would like to hear more from Swishh regarding his comment.
* Hmmm. I didn't vote because I didn't think it was really worthy of a vote. I didn't see the action as scummy but was interested in his thoughts from the statement.
...and this is fake because Swishh posted between these two posts and Eron didn't follow up on it.
A note that "hmmm" here is a pause for thought where there shouldn't be any.
Also, EtR didn't even bother responding to my red notes on him, especially this one...
EtR's case on Rhand is not at all like his townEtR case in #1408
...which lacked crucial information -- specifically, what game I was talking about!
He was town (incorrectly casing a townie), but look at the excitement in his posting -- he actually believes he's found scum, and he can't wait to jump onto the next point.
He cares more about presentation of the case for everyone else to see, rather than nailing scum. He's much more careful with his words, and provides us with a nice summary at the end, complete with a summary of bad points that a townEron would tear apart.
But, @Cyouni: Why are you subtly defending Eron (asking Wessel how EtR isn't just tunnel-visioning) and then you turn around in the same post and point out a "hmm" that shouldn't be there -- a point against EtR -- and you don't vote him? I fail to see where your true thoughts lie.
In-depth read of Void returns a town mindset. Aggravating.
Specifically which parts, and how so?
Read the entirety of Void's posts, chronologically. You'll see his mindset evolve. He actually believes he's correct. Compare to Magical Girl Mafia where he was absurdly scummy yet completely believed that he was speaking gospel.
As an aside, I'm curious as to how you made those notes - it doesn't look fully chronological.
I started by reading the game from Robroy's perspective, since he was fresh on my mind. I watched the whole Lennon thing evolve. Then I jumped to TJ's perspective, but that was incredibly boring, as he was absurdly town. Then I jumped around, reading from the perspectives of Rhand, EtR, Voxx, and Anaklusmos. I was dead set on Void being scum, so I read him next, and was surprised when he checked out fine. Then I went to Alpha and Killjoy, both of which were unreadable. I had high hopes of Tzymo being mafia, so I did a thorough read of him, and confirmed my beliefs. Then I did one last look-over of EtR so I could decide between the two.
I was ready to switch my vote back to captain T after reading his silly post, but there's no need for that anymore
I agree on most of Seppel's reads.
I'm just not 100% convinced of RobRoy being town.
@Seppel: Are you sure that RobRoy isn't bussing Captain T in #219?
I didn't vote EtR right away because that would give him an OMGUS card to play with. I think he saw me as low hanging fruit.
unvote Anaklusmos, vote EtR
Like I said, everyone I put under "Town" needs to be double-checked, especially for interactions with Tzymo.
Your reasoning for not voting EtR checks out, and Tzymo pretty much cleared you as town. Enjoy your ability to strike fear into scum!
Don't get lazy, though -- there's still scum to hunt!
@Seppel: I did not vote Anaklusmos in that post because I did not have a confident enough scumread on Anaklusmos to vote him. One low-hanging fruit point was not enough for me to see him as scum yet.
The real question is though, would the scum have daykilling capabilities? Unlikely. And even if they did, would he kill one of his buddies as his first action? That's... probable, knowing Seppel. But not very.
Incredibly unlikely, especially with Starcraft Mafia earning the self-nominated title, "most broken game to have ever been run on MTGS."
Also, it would be pretty much gamethrowing to daykill a scumbuddy in the first post of a game.
Did you really feel it necessary to type that paragraph, though? Why is that the "real question"? I find your lack of completely trusting me bothersome.
Rhand (asked if doublevoters could be scum; not scum if tom is town, acting like Micah when he's town; totally town if EtR is scum)
Who is Micah?
"Blue" -- couldn't remember his username at the time. You both remind me of a happy ferret, poinging around excitedly because you're playing in a mafia game.
@Seppel: I did not vote Anaklusmos in that post because I did not have a confident enough scumread on Anaklusmos to vote him. One low-hanging fruit point was not enough for me to see him as scum yet.
@Seppel - Why didn't I reply? You've already decided I'm scum, there's no point. You'll push it till I'm dead and it won't matter what I say, you're just going to say there was something scummy with it.
@Seppel - Why didn't I reply? You've already decided I'm scum, there's no point. You'll push it till I'm dead and it won't matter what I say, you're just going to say there was something scummy with it.
Have at it.
So you see no value in trying to convince others (read: not Seppel) that you're town? Because not responding to your detractors certainly doesn't make me think you're town.
I really wanted to play a league match before class today but I guess if I don't catch up now I'll just get farther and farther behind ;_;
Also, holy cow, what did I miss!? I'm only familiar with the gist of mafia, not of abilities. That's exciting to see that it can certainly make things exciting! One scum down already? alright, I'll take that. With a ***** sword no less - anyone who knows me would know I highly approve.
Seppel is clearly on another spectrum from me - grand newbie compard to what appears to be a grand ruler. Okay, maybe that's a bit much, but I like quite a lot in your catch-up post (Except where you shortened me to "TJ", I'd rather much prefer JeY as I've explicitly noted before >_> sorry if I seem angry, I take names seriously). You know a lot about other games and therefore experience and I'm like a little bunny just looking for delishush carrots. I'll find them eventually!
Anywho I still have a lot to learn about Mafia. Time to re-read EVERYTHING now that Captain T. is scum and re-evaluate my stance on the population here. Well, not everything, but maybe I can kinda get a new lead... kinda...
Just a couple quick things before I (play League anyway before I) re-read some stuff...
I believe your post changed how Lennon was reacting and now that you have unvote Lennon makes me believe the two of you are know more about this game than the rest of the town.
So now you think that both of us are scum? I could have found his reaction to be more townie, and have unvoted him as such. Why specifically is that coaching, especially since if we were scumbuddies, I could have done that out of thread?
So the scum have daytalk?
Vote: Anaklusmos
I don't get it. Can a favor be did and have this elaborated? Anyone?
No one ever answered this, as far as I can tell ;_; Unless this just means nothing.
@Seppel - Why didn't I reply? You've already decided I'm scum, there's no point. You'll push it till I'm dead and it won't matter what I say, you're just going to say there was something scummy with it.
Have at it.
Seppel isn't the only one who can vote. For example, Vote: EtR for admitting defeat on behalf of the scum.
I believe that also more than adequately describes tunnel-visioning town (reference: pretty much every tunnel-visioned case).
What makes this different?
TownWessel has twisted arguments to make people look more scummy. But that was only when I felt threatened by a lynch or when I felt something had to be done by way of a lynch. EtR was at that point neither threatened nor was there any reason to get something going. There was absolutely no reason for townEtR to start twisting arguments, even when tunnelvisioning.
I'm not going to continue this, due to Seppel pretty much nullifying any point in asking this.
Compare EtR's statements:
* I'm not going to pile on with a vote at this point, but I would like to hear more from Swishh regarding his comment.
* Hmmm. I didn't vote because I didn't think it was really worthy of a vote. I didn't see the action as scummy but was interested in his thoughts from the statement.
...and this is fake because Swishh posted between these two posts and Eron didn't follow up on it.
A note that "hmmm" here is a pause for thought where there shouldn't be any.
Also, EtR didn't even bother responding to my red notes on him, especially this one...
EtR's case on Rhand is not at all like his townEtR case in #1408
...which lacked crucial information -- specifically, what game I was talking about!
He was town (incorrectly casing a townie), but look at the excitement in his posting -- he actually believes he's found scum, and he can't wait to jump onto the next point.
He cares more about presentation of the case for everyone else to see, rather than nailing scum. He's much more careful with his words, and provides us with a nice summary at the end, complete with a summary of bad points that a townEron would tear apart.
Well, there goes any point I had in asking Wessel that question.
But, @Cyouni: Why are you subtly defending Eron (asking Wessel how EtR isn't just tunnel-visioning) and then you turn around in the same post and point out a "hmm" that shouldn't be there -- a point against EtR -- and you don't vote him? I fail to see where your true thoughts lie.
EtR hasn't been looking too good, but I felt trying to question Wessel re: his reason for voting wouldn't make sense if I was voting EtR at the time.
To elaborate a bit, the full dialogue with Wessel is based around "why are you voting EtR for something that's a null tell when there are things that are actually from scum".
In-depth read of Void returns a town mindset. Aggravating.
Specifically which parts, and how so?
Read the entirety of Void's posts, chronologically. You'll see his mindset evolve. He actually believes he's correct. Compare to Magical Girl Mafia where he was absurdly scummy yet completely believed that he was speaking gospel.
Hmm. Possible, but that's why I'm questioning him right now.
As an aside, I'm curious as to how you made those notes - it doesn't look fully chronological.
I started by reading the game from Robroy's perspective, since he was fresh on my mind. I watched the whole Lennon thing evolve. Then I jumped to TJ's perspective, but that was incredibly boring, as he was absurdly town. Then I jumped around, reading from the perspectives of Rhand, EtR, Voxx, and Anaklusmos. I was dead set on Void being scum, so I read him next, and was surprised when he checked out fine. Then I went to Alpha and Killjoy, both of which were unreadable. I had high hopes of Tzymo being mafia, so I did a thorough read of him, and confirmed my beliefs. Then I did one last look-over of EtR so I could decide between the two.
@Seppel - Why didn't I reply? You've already decided I'm scum, there's no point. You'll push it till I'm dead and it won't matter what I say, you're just going to say there was something scummy with it.
Have at it.
Your defeatism doesn't particularly inspire confidence.
Plus you ignored everyone else's cases.
I believe your post changed how Lennon was reacting and now that you have unvote Lennon makes me believe the two of you are know more about this game than the rest of the town.
So now you think that both of us are scum? I could have found his reaction to be more townie, and have unvoted him as such. Why specifically is that coaching, especially since if we were scumbuddies, I could have done that out of thread?
So the scum have daytalk?
Vote: Anaklusmos
I don't get it. Can a favor be did and have this elaborated? Anyone?
No one ever answered this, as far as I can tell ;_; Unless this just means nothing.
Scum can generally talk during the night, as you know. Some games (though for some reason, it's been most recently) allow them to talk during the day as well, and that's what that was referencing.
That's supposed to be a "slip" showing that scum have daytalk this game.
Compare EtR's statements:
* I'm not going to pile on with a vote at this point, but I would like to hear more from Swishh regarding his comment.
* Hmmm. I didn't vote because I didn't think it was really worthy of a vote. I didn't see the action as scummy but was interested in his thoughts from the statement.
...and this is fake because Swishh posted between these two posts and Eron didn't follow up on it.
* He had to answer. The attention was squarely on him. If he refused to answer, I would have reason to vote then.
Answer what? He didn't respond to the question of why he was hesitant to vote void, and you provided none.
1. I don't see how "I'm not going to pile on with a vote at this point" and "I didn't think it was worthy of a vote" don't jive.
2. What was I supposed to follow up on exactly? I didn't find it that scummy to begin with.
3. He had to answer the question of why his statement didn't of being "Hesitent" didn't line up with his vote.
Something I can be sure of, however, is how depressingly bad EtR's case on Rhand is. I suppose it could just be a case of really awful tunnel vision, and EtR really does think Rhand is scum, and is trying too hard to justify that, but to me it seems more that EtR is doing his(?) best to find anything at all to convince everyone to lynch Rhand. It looks to me as if EtR is just throwing out anything he(?) can think of, and hoping that something sticks. I'm more than a little concerned by that behavior. And so, I'm going to go ahead and Vote: EtR.
Much like your depressingly bad case on...No one? At least I'm trying. Nice wagon hop, scum.
I was ready to switch my vote back to captain T after reading his silly post, but there's no need for that anymore
I agree on most of Seppel's reads.
I'm just not 100% convinced of RobRoy being town.
@Seppel: Are you sure that RobRoy isn't bussing Captain T in #219?
I didn't vote EtR right away because that would give him an OMGUS card to play with. I think he saw me as low hanging fruit.
unvote Anaklusmos, vote EtR
I don't understand why you all can't see this as extremely cautious. It's a basic barn of Seppel because at this point he's got all the town points, but throws out a basic question to show that he's "thinking things through." Then there is the last sentence that is clearly more concerned about self image than pushing a case against me.
@Wessel: What makes EtR scum as opposed to tunnel-visioning?
EtR is twisting everything Rhand says to make it look like scum while the posts are actually either nulltells or perfectly fine, and for including Rhand's RVS posts as arguments to show he's posting fluff (while in RVS everyone posts fluff, by definition). Only scum need to provide false evidence. This early in the game, at a point where there's hardly any pressure on EtR, there is no need, and no town motivation, to paint someone as scum.
I believe that also more than adequately describes tunnel-visioning town (reference: pretty much every tunnel-visioned case).
What makes this different?
TownWessel has twisted arguments to make people look more scummy. But that was only when I felt threatened by a lynch or when I felt something had to be done by way of a lynch. EtR was at that point neither threatened nor was there any reason to get something going. There was absolutely no reason for townEtR to start twisting arguments, even when tunnelvisioning.
I'm certainly not, but feel free to vote me. This Rhand is different than Rhand from [redacted] and [redacted]. I'm not going to change my mind just because I'm getting votes. If I die because of it, it will blow his cover.
What does Rhand being different from some other Rhand have to do with your case?
You're not going to change your mind, but you're not going to respond to the things said against you?
Tee-hee.
What does my case in this game being different than my case in Avatar have to do with anything?
The other two are ongoing games that I can't talk about that Rhand is also in. His play is different.
He was town (incorrectly casing a townie), but look at the excitement in his posting -- he actually believes he's found scum, and he can't wait to jump onto the next point.
He cares more about presentation of the case for everyone else to see, rather than nailing scum. He's much more careful with his words, and provides us with a nice summary at the end, complete with a summary of bad points that a townEron would tear apart.
Because you're going to push it either way. Obviously we aren't at post #1400 in this game so it had to have come from another game. That means you're going to try and make this a meta argument. What exactly am I supposed to say? That was the first time I ever thought I had caught a scum.
I don’t think any thing big enough has happened for my vote to be needed I’m sorry if "skittish" this is my first game of mafia
Seriously guys? We have someone who avoids giving analyzable content, and when pressured about it, plays the noob card? Let's lynch Lennon.
Alliteration ftw.
Captain Tyzmo goes after an easy target here, but never places a vote, prior to the above post, against Lennon despite saying “Let’s lynch Lennon.” Without the vote being there this looks more like an attempt to coach Lennon into providing content. Considering Lennon’s next two posts that say (paraphrased) “I don’t see anyone worthy of my vote” and “If I were to vote for anyone it would be swish for fooling around there might be a lead.” Makes it look like Lennon was dismissing Captain Tyzmo’s post and continued on his own thoughts. This has me believing that Lennon is town with how he reacted to Captain Tyzmo.
[B]unvote[/B] Teh JeY. I think I misread her enthusiasm for nervousness.
The pressure didn't bring her off balance. The posting of her whole thought process makes what she types very hard to fake.
I don't like the votes on Lennon. The noobcard is not a scumtell. A town noob has just as many reasons to say he has no experience as a scum noob.
Captain Tyzmo is quick to "gotcha" him for that and adds that Lennon is refusing to give content, clearly ignoring Lennon’s next post where he says he is suspicious of swishh.
[B]vote: captain tyzmo[/vote]
You think "But if i was too vote it would be for swishh because he seems to fool around alot which might mean something" is content? He fence-sits, and then says that swishh is fooling around. How? How is swishh fooling around? I provided quotes of Lennon's, showing his weak play. And the noob card is just icing on the cake.
You think "But if i was too vote it would be for swishh because he seems to fool around a lot which might mean something" is content? He fence-sits, and then says that swishh is fooling around. How? How is swishh fooling around? I provided quotes of Lennon's, showing his weak play. And the noob card is just icing on the cake.
Yes, I do think it's content. You say he gives nothing to analyze, but you are analyzing it.
So your argument is that my push on Lennon is bad, because although he's posting fluff, he's posting fluff?
This exchange between Rhand and Captain Tyzmo puts Lennon into my town category and also puts Rhand into my leaning town category for his reasoning used on why Captain Tyzmo’s reads are faulty.
[b]Rhand[/b]
Do you have experience elsewhere online or RL?
The fact that Mr. Santorum jumps to the conclusion that Anak is talking about Day Chat without any sort of reference to when the scum can talk is a jump in logic. The catch of the slip without a vote doesn't mesh up together. Based on this posting from Mr. Santorum and the lack of voting I would believe him to be a good candidate (no pun intended :laugh:) of being a scum buddy to Anak.
Based on Tom's post I would believe Tom to be a good candidate for Town as the vote is rather... lacking and follows the misguided logic that Anak slipped about Day Chat when it was simply a slip about another chat out side of this forum. Something I believe town would be more likely to do in a situation like so.
As for the chat outside the forum comment from Anak: The comment doesn't necessarily mean that Anak is scum. He could be referring to a different type of chat related to this game (EG: Mason), but just because Anak could be a Mason doesn't mean that Anak would be a Town Mason. More pressure is needed here as this is becoming a stronger lead than others.
I dislike the fact that you are defending Anak instead of waiting for Anak to defend himself. I also dislike the fact that you are both defending Anak and attacking RS by labeling him as Anak's scumbuddy. I am starting to be on-board with the "lynch Void" wagon.
It was not my intent to defend Anak. I was merely making speculation based on the reactions to Anak’s slip. The fact that Mr. Santorum assumes Day Chat is a jump in logic since Anak only mentioned an outside place to talk.
[b]Mr. Santorum[/b]
Would you please explain why you assumed Anak was talking about Day Chat?
I am suddenly even happier about Seppel joining us.
This entire post is coming across forced to me. Of course the town would be happy for a scum member to be dead, but declare that you are happy that Seppel joined the game in a previous post and now “suddenly” being even happier because Seppel knocked off one scum member just sounds forced.
BTW though, to avoid further confusion, CaptainT was not Iso. I won't reveal who he was though because that's his business.
I believe this could be a slip from Tom since Tom is no longer a Mod on this site and this game started after left his Modship. There are 3 ways that come to mind on how Tom would know this information, please feel free to give other reasons if I am missing something important.
1) Tom asked a Mod to look up Captain Tyzmo for gimmick reasons and that Mod told him who Captain Tyzmo is. (I’m not sure with other Mod’s are allowed to do so)
2) Tom knows Captain Tyzmo as a personal friend
3) Tom is in the Mafia Chat and Captain Tyzmo mentioned who he was in that thread.
I know this nothing concrete, but it’s something to remember in the long run. I see that Mr. Santorum knows as well, but he’s got a reason that Tom no longer has.
1. I'll explain the daychat thing in a bit. First, I just want to confirm that Anak is actually experienced, yes?
2. I know who the Captain is because I know his main account. So does Tom. I did not use any sort of superpowers to obtain this information, and I assume that Tom's memory is good enough that he didn't have to either.
OOG: I do have the ability to check on gimmick accounts but I do not use it while playing this game. If I were to discover it incidentally (I do check IPs on new accounts occasionally as part of the normal screening for returning banned members), I would not reveal or use that information in-game. Similarly, I can see when users who have set their status to "hidden" are online. I do not reveal or use this information (in fact, the fact that I have that available to me is one reason why I am playing this game as a gimmick myself).
1. I'll explain the daychat thing in a bit. First, I just want to confirm that Anak is actually experienced, yes?
2. I know who the Captain is because I know his main account. So does Tom. I did not use any sort of superpowers to obtain this information, and I assume that Tom's memory is good enough that he didn't have to either.
OOG: I do have the ability to check on gimmick accounts but I do not use it while playing this game. If I were to discover it incidentally (I do check IPs on new accounts occasionally as part of the normal screening for returning banned members), I would not reveal or use that information in-game. Similarly, I can see when users who have set their status to "hidden" are online. I do not reveal or use this information (in fact, the fact that I have that available to me is one reason why I am playing this game as a gimmick myself).
Anak is experienced. I'm not sure how many completed games he has.
Re: OOG, I labeled the option, but was certain enough that neither of you would do so with your powers in Mafia as it would be an unfair advantage to Mods... kind of.
BTW though, to avoid further confusion, CaptainT was not Iso. I won't reveal who he was though because that's his business.
I believe this could be a slip from Tom since Tom is no longer a Mod on this site and this game started after left his Modship. There are 3 ways that come to mind on how Tom would know this information, please feel free to give other reasons if I am missing something important.
1) Tom asked a Mod to look up Captain Tyzmo for gimmick reasons and that Mod told him who Captain Tyzmo is. (I’m not sure with other Mod’s are allowed to do so)
2) Tom knows Captain Tyzmo as a personal friend
3) Tom is in the Mafia Chat and Captain Tyzmo mentioned who he was in that thread.
I know this nothing concrete, but it’s something to remember in the long run. I see that Mr. Santorum knows as well, but he’s got a reason that Tom no longer has.
I actually looked it up when I was still a mod, during signups.
Compare EtR's statements:
* I'm not going to pile on with a vote at this point, but I would like to hear more from Swishh regarding his comment.
* Hmmm. I didn't vote because I didn't think it was really worthy of a vote. I didn't see the action as scummy but was interested in his thoughts from the statement....and this is fake because Swishh posted between these two posts and Eron didn't follow up on it.
A note that "hmmm" here is a pause for thought where there shouldn't be any.
Why shouldn't there be. I was considering what was being said.
Let's break it down a bit.
The implied question is something like "why didn't you vote?" In response, the first thing you do is to consider your answer. That consideration is only required if you need to think of an answer, and didn't already know why you did it. In speech, it's used to buy time to think of an answer, and it's unintentionally used the same way here.
BTW though, to avoid further confusion, CaptainT was not Iso. I won't reveal who he was though because that's his business.
I believe this could be a slip from Tom since Tom is no longer a Mod on this site and this game started after left his Modship. There are 3 ways that come to mind on how Tom would know this information, please feel free to give other reasons if I am missing something important.
1) Tom asked a Mod to look up Captain Tyzmo for gimmick reasons and that Mod told him who Captain Tyzmo is. (I’m not sure with other Mod’s are allowed to do so)
2) Tom knows Captain Tyzmo as a personal friend
3) Tom is in the Mafia Chat and Captain Tyzmo mentioned who he was in that thread.
I know this nothing concrete, but it’s something to remember in the long run. I see that Mr. Santorum knows as well, but he’s got a reason that Tom no longer has.
I'm not particularly happy that this is being used.
I've expressed my feelings on this often enough in the past.
I have been thinking about what the others said about your play and slept on it. I believe I've been tunneling you. I've been operating on a "guilty until proven innocent" principle which is terrible, since there's about 3/4ths of the town that are innocent. Looking at you from an "innocent until proven guilty" view, your posts read extremely new player. I can't be positive you're not scum, but that doesn't mean I need to tunnel you, since if you are scum, you'll slip up later. Unvote
Do you typically start from a "guilty until proven innocent" principle when judging people?
Massive town points for Rhand, not even counting EtR's poor and strangely persistent case on him.
This doesn't seem like a question from Rhand that a buddy would ask, since it's designed to invite outside pressure.
Looking back, Tyzmo's post doesn't even make any sense. He even calls 3/4 of "the town" innocent, which now seems like an obvious slip. Considering he was referencing Lennonmint, that also bodes well for him.
I don't consider inconsistency to strictly be irrelevant based on experience. But, other factors are making me reconsider your motive.
My motive? Enlighten me.
Simply put, I'm trying to separate your whimsy from filler. One side is just your personality, while the other could be subtly nefarious; hence, motive.
Or, even more plainly stated, I suspect that you are playing up the reputation you've gained in your short time playing this game for the town points others are giving you.
Do town claim this defense anymore? Seems I rarely see it.
It's a pretty safe play, I'll grant EtR. You have an out no matter how you interpret "the reaction". If you see something you can attack, then you do so, and if the reaction is milquetoast, no harm and no foul. After all, you weren't attacking him for real...just gauging his reaction!
I believe your post changed how Lennon was reacting and now that you have unvote Lennon makes me believe the two of you are know more about this game than the rest of the town.
So now you think that both of us are scum? I could have found his reaction to be more townie, and have unvoted him as such. Why specifically is that coaching, especially since if we were scumbuddies, I could have done that out of thread?
So the scum have daytalk?
The fact that Mr. Santorum jumps to the conclusion that Anak is talking about Day Chat without any sort of reference to when the scum can talk is a jump in logic.
So...how is the bolded above not a clear reference to when the scum can talk? It seems pretty evident that Anak was presupposing a situation where he and Lennon are mafia members.
I also feel that Void, and others didn't take the smiley as an indicator of Rick Santorum not being entirely accusatory. Which is strange.
The fact that Mr. Santorum jumps to the conclusion that Anak is talking about Day Chat without any sort of reference to when the scum can talk is a jump in logic. The catch of the slip without a vote doesn't mesh up together. Based on this posting from Mr. Santorum and the lack of voting I would believe him to be a good candidate (no pun intended :laugh:) of being a scum buddy to Anak.
Void, here you have Anak, Lennon and Rick Santorum as scum. Who else would you peg as their buddies? Finding all of the scum Day 1 would be awesome.
It's difficult to peg the tone of the last part of Tyzmo's post. Is he showing reverence to Void's opinions? Or is this him trying to mock Void's choices?
I don't see any indicators that would tell me he's being sarcastic, so I'm going to assume the former.
Town (may need to double check these with Iso's flip) TJ (innocent posting)
So these are your only mentions of Teh_JeY in your notes, though there aren't accompanying post numbers, with the overall conclusion being town due to innocent posting.
Can you give any more explanation?
Especially considering her latest post has some of the most blatant Seppel sucking up I've seen in some time.
Seppel is clearly on another spectrum from me - grand newbie compard to what appears to be a grand ruler. Okay, maybe that's a bit much, but I like quite a lot in your catch-up post (Except where you shortened me to "TJ", I'd rather much prefer JeY as I've explicitly noted before >_> sorry if I seem angry, I take names seriously). You know a lot about other games and therefore experience and I'm like a little bunny just looking for delishush carrots. I'll find them eventually!
Not to mention her pushing the innocence factor into super-megan-foxy-awesome-hot overdrive with her bunny talk.
Lies! -I'm Buffy Summers, town tracker. I used my ability on you and saw that you didn't use any abilities before the game started. My flavor is I was sucked through a mysterious space-time portal and I'm here to kill all the vampires, and my tracking ability is a combination of my Slayer and Native American skills.
did you know that half of your list consists of players who have posted fewer than 10 times and/or players who haven't posted in over a week? There is nothing to say.
I'm also neither beholden to you nor interested in doing anything other than:
1. Resolving the Anak daychat issue (requires him to show up)
2. Having EtR answer my question (explicitly)
Note that Anak is one of the people on your list. You're asking me for a read on a player that I've already stated in-thread that I'm not ready to give.
I did not have a solid read on you prior to your infuriating behavior in these recent posts.
I have reads of varying types on each of those players, and wanted to hear your thoughts on them to help me determine your alignment.
Saying what you think about a couple specific players is not saying that 'adds nothing to the game' and you know that.
You're just being deliberately obtuse and irritating, and yes, anti-town.
Your question to him and even more so your post directly following that question were pretty offensive.
Alpha's post reflects 100% how I felt when I read that.
Then say that you don't have a clear read on a player, or that you aren't willing to verbalize an opinion until you get an answer to your question.
Just blatantly refusing to answer is infuriating.
There's some extreme irony in you posting this, earlier:
Quote from Rick »
So you see no value in trying to convince others (read: not Seppel) that you're town?
When the entire point of me asking you to give a few reads was to solidify my own read on you. No, you aren't 'beholden' to anything, except to play the goddamn game, which includes, y'know. Actually answering questions.
I'm just going to step away from the game before I say something I'll regret.
I wasn't asking for a goddamn PBPA analysis on each player, even a couple words on each for me to help evaluate you alignment was all I was asking. Being talked down to in such a condescending manner 'No. Go away and come back when you have something useful' is beyond infuriating.
Asking people to give thoughts on a specific cluster of players, even if I'm only really interested in 2-3 of the responses is a tactic I employ on people I have no read on.
In the end, yes, you are probably town. Just the least enjoyable to play with town I've met yet.
I'm just going to step away from the game before I say something I'll regret.
I wasn't asking for a goddamn PBPA analysis on each player, even a couple words on each for me to help evaluate you alignment was all I was asking. Being talked down to in such a condescending manner 'No. Go away and come back when you have something useful' is beyond infuriating.
Asking people to give thoughts on a specific cluster of players, even if I'm only really interested in 2-3 of the responses is a tactic I employ on people I have no read on.
In the end, yes, you are probably town. Just the least enjoyable to play with town I've met yet.
Well at least we both know why I didn't want to answer. Too easy to see through your "tactics," eh?
@Seppel - Why didn't I reply? You've already decided I'm scum, there's no point. You'll push it till I'm dead and it won't matter what I say, you're just going to say there was something scummy with it.
The fact that Mr. Santorum jumps to the conclusion that Anak is talking about Day Chat without any sort of reference to when the scum can talk is a jump in logic. The catch of the slip without a vote doesn't mesh up together. Based on this posting from Mr. Santorum and the lack of voting I would believe him to be a good candidate (no pun intended :laugh:) of being a scum buddy to Anak.
Based on Tom's post I would believe Tom to be a good candidate for Town as the vote is rather... lacking and follows the misguided logic that Anak slipped about Day Chat when it was simply a slip about another chat out side of this forum. Something I believe town would be more likely to do in a situation like so.
As for the chat outside the forum comment from Anak: The comment doesn't necessarily mean that Anak is scum. He could be referring to a different type of chat related to this game (EG: Mason), but just because Anak could be a Mason doesn't mean that Anak would be a Town Mason. More pressure is needed here as this is becoming a stronger lead than others.
I dislike the fact that you are defending Anak instead of waiting for Anak to defend himself. I also dislike the fact that you are both defending Anak and attacking RS by labeling him as Anak's scumbuddy. I am starting to be on-board with the "lynch Void" wagon.
It was not my intent to defend Anak. I was merely making speculation based on the reactions to Anak’s slip. The fact that Mr. Santorum assumes Day Chat is a jump in logic since Anak only mentioned an outside place to talk.
But you are defending him! A player has made what may or may not be a slip. He is being attacked for it. We will get our best reactions from him if he comes back into the thread and is being attacked. If you weaken the attack by presenting alternatives, we get less of a reaction, less information from the person in question. In short: by giving Anak ways out, you are defending him.
I am suddenly even happier about Seppel joining us.
This entire post is coming across forced to me. Of course the town would be happy for a scum member to be dead, but declare that you are happy that Seppel joined the game in a previous post and now “suddenly” being even happier because Seppel knocked off one scum member just sounds forced.
I was happy that Seppel joined, as he is always entertaining to read, but I assumed that he was doing a fake daykill, because in-thread activated daykills are almost always fake. When it turned out to be real, and he was right and killed scum, I became happier. I am not sure what part of this you are having trouble believing.
I'm just going to step away from the game before I say something I'll regret.
I wasn't asking for a goddamn PBPA analysis on each player, even a couple words on each for me to help evaluate you alignment was all I was asking. Being talked down to in such a condescending manner 'No. Go away and come back when you have something useful' is beyond infuriating.
Asking people to give thoughts on a specific cluster of players, even if I'm only really interested in 2-3 of the responses is a tactic I employ on people I have no read on.
In the end, yes, you are probably town. Just the least enjoyable to play with town I've met yet.
Well at least we both know why I didn't want to answer. Too easy to see through your "tactics," eh?
Did you just claim that you are deliberately trying to be hard to read? That is normally not a townie mindset.
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Sigh. Still no Cythare. I will vote: Cythare in the meantime anyway. Also no Anak. I plan to do my own reread of the dead scum at some point, but do want to hear from those two.
I'm just going to step away from the game before I say something I'll regret.
I wasn't asking for a goddamn PBPA analysis on each player, even a couple words on each for me to help evaluate you alignment was all I was asking. Being talked down to in such a condescending manner 'No. Go away and come back when you have something useful' is beyond infuriating.
Asking people to give thoughts on a specific cluster of players, even if I'm only really interested in 2-3 of the responses is a tactic I employ on people I have no read on.
In the end, yes, you are probably town. Just the least enjoyable to play with town I've met yet.
Well at least we both know why I didn't want to answer. Too easy to see through your "tactics," eh?
Do you have a problem with someone getting a read on you?
The real question is though, would the scum have daykilling capabilities? Unlikely. And even if they did, would he kill one of his buddies as his first action? That's... probable, knowing Seppel. But not very.
[1]Incredibly unlikely, especially with Starcraft Mafia earning the self-nominated title, "most broken game to have ever been run on MTGS."
[2] Also, it would be pretty much gamethrowing to daykill a scumbuddy in the first post of a game.
[3] Did you really feel it necessary to type that paragraph, though? Why is that the "real question"? I find your lack of completely trusting me bothersome.
[1] Who says FHF doesn't want to try to earn that title? But yea, I understand what you mean.
[2] Yea, since you wouldn't be capable of pulling such a stunt.
[3] I was just typing what came up in me. I don't trust you completely, no. I don't think you can earn that trust from me unless you're mod-confirmed town. Or resurrected town. Though to be honest, you're pretty near that ideal already.
If you're being honest now, what were you being before then?
Like I said, everyone I put under "Town" needs to be double-checked, especially for interactions with Tzymo.
Your reasoning for not voting EtR checks out, and Tzymo pretty much cleared you as town. Enjoy your ability to strike fear into scum!
Don't get lazy, though -- there's still scum to hunt!
Explain this to me a little bit? Maybe I'd get it if I did my re-read, but I'm trying to learn this game better as I play.
EtR still needs to flip, but it's pretty obvious he's scum by now -- the point is that Tzymo's and EtR's attacks on Rhand did not look like scum attacking scum.
Btw, Seppel, do you think Tzymo is Iso or do you know he is? Because Iso's (still) on the replacement list.
I thought he was. I've received confirmation that he isn't.
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I'm going to stake a step back and start observing more. There are people who need to start getting into fights with each other and I: don't want to taint their reactions.
@Mod: Please be vigilant on prodding players. It's dreadfully annoying to see people notposting. It's been 46 hours since Tresserhorn has posted, for example -- he's about to clear two days without content, which, after a seven day hiatus, is aggravating. Also where the hell is Killjoy? Come onnnnnnnn!
Wait, what? How could it have been Manders when Manders replaced out of this game annouccing that she was leaving the site? Are you telling me that Manders was playing AND had a gimmick account active in the game as well?
I am moving the post requirements from 48 hours to 72 hours, and changing the rule to reflect that. I could say it's because I feel 48 might be a bit too strict (which is kind of true), but it is more or less because I don't have an infinite number of replacements. LoT still has 24 hours before a prod, and I gave Cythare another prod. She will have 36 hours, or I will auto-replace.
I have a flip to work with. Usually it takes until night one for me to start being useful besides just tunneling the first obvious scum I see.
Re-read and analysis coming.
EtR is still scum though.
LoT probably is too.
BTW though, to avoid further confusion, CaptainT was not Iso. I won't reveal who he was though because that's his business.
Due to school, sleep deprivation and other outside stresses my catching-up is going to take an extra day. ;_;
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What makes this different?
Hm. Somehow I didn't quite notice that he was partially defending Anak at the same time that he's calling Anak scum.
Good point.
A note that "hmmm" here is a pause for thought where there shouldn't be any.
How would you expect it to be worded?
Specifically which parts, and how so?
As an aside, I'm curious as to how you made those notes - it doesn't look fully chronological.
Content coming tomorrow.
Not much changes.
Rand is town. Attacked Captain in a genuine manner after Captain jumped on Lennon.
Lennon is either town or was getting bussed due to being painfully obvious new scum at the time (to his teammates).
EtR chainsaw defending Captain by attacking Rand makes me even happier with that lynch.
Vote: EtR because votals reset.
I agree on most of Seppel's reads.
I'm just not 100% convinced of RobRoy being town.
@Seppel: Are you sure that RobRoy isn't bussing Captain T in #219?
I didn't vote EtR right away because that would give him an OMGUS card to play with. I think he saw me as low hanging fruit.
unvote Anaklusmos, vote EtR
Who is Micah?
Odd. SSDS, then.
What does Rhand being different from some other Rhand have to do with your case?
You're not going to change your mind, but you're not going to respond to the things said against you?
Tee-hee.
Also, EtR didn't even bother responding to my red notes on him, especially this one...
EtR's case on Rhand is not at all like his townEtR case in #1408
...which lacked crucial information -- specifically, what game I was talking about!
For reference, it was Avatar: The Legend of Aang, here: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=8525715#post8525715
He was town (incorrectly casing a townie), but look at the excitement in his posting -- he actually believes he's found scum, and he can't wait to jump onto the next point.
Compare to this game's case:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=9692333#post9692333
He cares more about presentation of the case for everyone else to see, rather than nailing scum. He's much more careful with his words, and provides us with a nice summary at the end, complete with a summary of bad points that a townEron would tear apart.
But, @Cyouni: Why are you subtly defending Eron (asking Wessel how EtR isn't just tunnel-visioning) and then you turn around in the same post and point out a "hmm" that shouldn't be there -- a point against EtR -- and you don't vote him? I fail to see where your true thoughts lie.
Read the entirety of Void's posts, chronologically. You'll see his mindset evolve. He actually believes he's correct. Compare to Magical Girl Mafia where he was absurdly scummy yet completely believed that he was speaking gospel.
I started by reading the game from Robroy's perspective, since he was fresh on my mind. I watched the whole Lennon thing evolve. Then I jumped to TJ's perspective, but that was incredibly boring, as he was absurdly town. Then I jumped around, reading from the perspectives of Rhand, EtR, Voxx, and Anaklusmos. I was dead set on Void being scum, so I read him next, and was surprised when he checked out fine. Then I went to Alpha and Killjoy, both of which were unreadable. I had high hopes of Tzymo being mafia, so I did a thorough read of him, and confirmed my beliefs. Then I did one last look-over of EtR so I could decide between the two.
It would have been more difficult to convince people to vote Tzymo.
Like I said, everyone I put under "Town" needs to be double-checked, especially for interactions with Tzymo.
Your reasoning for not voting EtR checks out, and Tzymo pretty much cleared you as town. Enjoy your ability to strike fear into scum!
Don't get lazy, though -- there's still scum to hunt!
Only if you're mafia then, bro.
Incredibly unlikely, especially with Starcraft Mafia earning the self-nominated title, "most broken game to have ever been run on MTGS."
Also, it would be pretty much gamethrowing to daykill a scumbuddy in the first post of a game.
Did you really feel it necessary to type that paragraph, though? Why is that the "real question"? I find your lack of completely trusting me bothersome.
"Blue" -- couldn't remember his username at the time. You both remind me of a happy ferret, poinging around excitedly because you're playing in a mafia game.
Something to sow doubt, like, "Can we really clear Tom just because he has a double-vote?"
What do you currently think of him, then?
Have at it.
So you see no value in trying to convince others (read: not Seppel) that you're town? Because not responding to your detractors certainly doesn't make me think you're town.
What are your scum reads again? I forgot.
Also, holy cow, what did I miss!? I'm only familiar with the gist of mafia, not of abilities. That's exciting to see that it can certainly make things exciting! One scum down already? alright, I'll take that. With a ***** sword no less - anyone who knows me would know I highly approve.
Seppel is clearly on another spectrum from me - grand newbie compard to what appears to be a grand ruler. Okay, maybe that's a bit much, but I like quite a lot in your catch-up post (Except where you shortened me to "TJ", I'd rather much prefer JeY as I've explicitly noted before >_> sorry if I seem angry, I take names seriously). You know a lot about other games and therefore experience and I'm like a little bunny just looking for delishush carrots. I'll find them eventually!
Anywho I still have a lot to learn about Mafia. Time to re-read EVERYTHING now that Captain T. is scum and re-evaluate my stance on the population here. Well, not everything, but maybe I can kinda get a new lead... kinda...
Just a couple quick things before I (play League anyway before I) re-read some stuff...
Explain this to me a little bit? Maybe I'd get it if I did my re-read, but I'm trying to learn this game better as I play. Speaking of which...
No one ever answered this, as far as I can tell ;_; Unless this just means nothing.
Seppel isn't the only one who can vote. For example, Vote: EtR for admitting defeat on behalf of the scum.
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For the most part, I agree. I don't quite share his views on
JeY, maybe Rhand, and Void, but the rest looks fine.EWP: Scratch JeY from the list. I forgot about that post.
Well, there goes any point I had in asking Wessel that question.
EtR hasn't been looking too good, but I felt trying to question Wessel re: his reason for voting wouldn't make sense if I was voting EtR at the time.
To elaborate a bit, the full dialogue with Wessel is based around "why are you voting EtR for something that's a null tell when there are things that are actually from scum".
Hmm. Possible, but that's why I'm questioning him right now.
Huh. Interesting way to do it.
Alright.
Your defeatism doesn't particularly inspire confidence.
Plus you ignored everyone else's cases.
@Mod: Vote count, please.
That's supposed to be a "slip" showing that scum have daytalk this game.
Ok.
Ok.
1. I don't see how "I'm not going to pile on with a vote at this point" and "I didn't think it was worthy of a vote" don't jive.
2. What was I supposed to follow up on exactly? I didn't find it that scummy to begin with.
3. He had to answer the question of why his statement didn't of being "Hesitent" didn't line up with his vote.
Sure - but does it line up with any cases from scum games? Mean Girls or Modern Family?
Because he's scum.
Much like your depressingly bad case on...No one? At least I'm trying. Nice wagon hop, scum.
A note that "hmmm" here is a pause for thought where there shouldn't be any. [/QUOTE]
Why shouldn't there be. I was considering what was being said.
I don't understand why you all can't see this as extremely cautious. It's a basic barn of Seppel because at this point he's got all the town points, but throws out a basic question to show that he's "thinking things through." Then there is the last sentence that is clearly more concerned about self image than pushing a case against me.
What exactly am I twisting?
What does my case in this game being different than my case in Avatar have to do with anything?
The other two are ongoing games that I can't talk about that Rhand is also in. His play is different.
Because you're going to push it either way. Obviously we aren't at post #1400 in this game so it had to have come from another game. That means you're going to try and make this a meta argument. What exactly am I supposed to say? That was the first time I ever thought I had caught a scum.
Captain Tyzmo goes after an easy target here, but never places a vote, prior to the above post, against Lennon despite saying “Let’s lynch Lennon.” Without the vote being there this looks more like an attempt to coach Lennon into providing content. Considering Lennon’s next two posts that say (paraphrased) “I don’t see anyone worthy of my vote” and “If I were to vote for anyone it would be swish for fooling around there might be a lead.” Makes it look like Lennon was dismissing Captain Tyzmo’s post and continued on his own thoughts. This has me believing that Lennon is town with how he reacted to Captain Tyzmo.
This exchange between Rhand and Captain Tyzmo puts Lennon into my town category and also puts Rhand into my leaning town category for his reasoning used on why Captain Tyzmo’s reads are faulty.
[b]Rhand[/b]
Do you have experience elsewhere online or RL?
It was not my intent to defend Anak. I was merely making speculation based on the reactions to Anak’s slip. The fact that Mr. Santorum assumes Day Chat is a jump in logic since Anak only mentioned an outside place to talk.
[b]Mr. Santorum[/b]
Would you please explain why you assumed Anak was talking about Day Chat?
Sigh. I see that my game is still terrible regardless of alignment.
This entire post is coming across forced to me. Of course the town would be happy for a scum member to be dead, but declare that you are happy that Seppel joined the game in a previous post and now “suddenly” being even happier because Seppel knocked off one scum member just sounds forced.
I believe this could be a slip from Tom since Tom is no longer a Mod on this site and this game started after left his Modship. There are 3 ways that come to mind on how Tom would know this information, please feel free to give other reasons if I am missing something important.
1) Tom asked a Mod to look up Captain Tyzmo for gimmick reasons and that Mod told him who Captain Tyzmo is. (I’m not sure with other Mod’s are allowed to do so)
2) Tom knows Captain Tyzmo as a personal friend
3) Tom is in the Mafia Chat and Captain Tyzmo mentioned who he was in that thread.
I know this nothing concrete, but it’s something to remember in the long run. I see that Mr. Santorum knows as well, but he’s got a reason that Tom no longer has.
2. I know who the Captain is because I know his main account. So does Tom. I did not use any sort of superpowers to obtain this information, and I assume that Tom's memory is good enough that he didn't have to either.
OOG: I do have the ability to check on gimmick accounts but I do not use it while playing this game. If I were to discover it incidentally (I do check IPs on new accounts occasionally as part of the normal screening for returning banned members), I would not reveal or use that information in-game. Similarly, I can see when users who have set their status to "hidden" are online. I do not reveal or use this information (in fact, the fact that I have that available to me is one reason why I am playing this game as a gimmick myself).
Can you give your thoughts on the following players?
Kill-joy
Cyouni
Lord of Tresserhorn
AlphaInsidious
Swishh
Anaklusmos
Anak is experienced. I'm not sure how many completed games he has.
Re: OOG, I labeled the option, but was certain enough that neither of you would do so with your powers in Mafia as it would be an unfair advantage to Mods... kind of.
I actually looked it up when I was still a mod, during signups.
Read: 1st Line
Vote: EtR
Vote: Anaklusmos
This feels like another possible scum daychat slip.
The implied question is something like "why didn't you vote?" In response, the first thing you do is to consider your answer. That consideration is only required if you need to think of an answer, and didn't already know why you did it. In speech, it's used to buy time to think of an answer, and it's unintentionally used the same way here.
I'm not particularly happy that this is being used.
I've expressed my feelings on this often enough in the past.
Not that you're a mod anymore, but mods really should not be doing this to people in games. It's an out-of-game advantage.
I'd love for anak to show up and comment on the first "slip" before we keep speculating. Did you know he hasn't posted in over a week?
Neither am I.
It does seem to come from a scum mindset: he mentions scum chat but not mason chat.
Massive town points for Rhand, not even counting EtR's poor and strangely persistent case on him.
This doesn't seem like a question from Rhand that a buddy would ask, since it's designed to invite outside pressure.
Looking back, Tyzmo's post doesn't even make any sense. He even calls 3/4 of "the town" innocent, which now seems like an obvious slip. Considering he was referencing Lennonmint, that also bodes well for him.
Simply put, I'm trying to separate your whimsy from filler. One side is just your personality, while the other could be subtly nefarious; hence, motive.
Or, even more plainly stated, I suspect that you are playing up the reputation you've gained in your short time playing this game for the town points others are giving you.
Do town claim this defense anymore? Seems I rarely see it.
It's a pretty safe play, I'll grant EtR. You have an out no matter how you interpret "the reaction". If you see something you can attack, then you do so, and if the reaction is milquetoast, no harm and no foul. After all, you weren't attacking him for real...just gauging his reaction!
So...how is the bolded above not a clear reference to when the scum can talk? It seems pretty evident that Anak was presupposing a situation where he and Lennon are mafia members.
I also feel that Void, and others didn't take the smiley as an indicator of Rick Santorum not being entirely accusatory. Which is strange.
It's difficult to peg the tone of the last part of Tyzmo's post. Is he showing reverence to Void's opinions? Or is this him trying to mock Void's choices?
I don't see any indicators that would tell me he's being sarcastic, so I'm going to assume the former.
So these are your only mentions of Teh_JeY in your notes, though there aren't accompanying post numbers, with the overall conclusion being town due to innocent posting.
Can you give any more explanation?
Especially considering her latest post has some of the most blatant Seppel sucking up I've seen in some time.
Not to mention her pushing the innocence factor into super-megan-foxy-awesome-hot overdrive with her bunny talk.
How magnanimous of you.
Besides breathing?
This is useful to me and how I analyse player interactions.
Why would you refuse to give thoughts on players in the game? The names were not selected at random.
Oddly enough your blatant refusal to comply to a simple request makes me think you're more likely town than not.
Where this:
generates the opposite reaction.
Why?
Because I can't see scum painting a target on their chest by intentionally being anti-town.
Go away and come back when you have some useful comment on the game rather than asking somebody a question that really adds nothing to the game.
I have reads of varying types on each of those players, and wanted to hear your thoughts on them to help me determine your alignment.
Saying what you think about a couple specific players is not saying that 'adds nothing to the game' and you know that.
You're just being deliberately obtuse and irritating, and yes, anti-town.
I'm also neither beholden to you nor interested in doing anything other than:
1. Resolving the Anak daychat issue (requires him to show up)
2. Having EtR answer my question (explicitly)
Note that Anak is one of the people on your list. You're asking me for a read on a player that I've already stated in-thread that I'm not ready to give.
So, useless.
Your question to him and even more so your post directly following that question were pretty offensive.
Alpha's post reflects 100% how I felt when I read that.
Just blatantly refusing to answer is infuriating.
There's some extreme irony in you posting this, earlier:
When the entire point of me asking you to give a few reads was to solidify my own read on you. No, you aren't 'beholden' to anything, except to play the goddamn game, which includes, y'know. Actually answering questions.
****.
I wasn't asking for a goddamn PBPA analysis on each player, even a couple words on each for me to help evaluate you alignment was all I was asking. Being talked down to in such a condescending manner 'No. Go away and come back when you have something useful' is beyond infuriating.
Asking people to give thoughts on a specific cluster of players, even if I'm only really interested in 2-3 of the responses is a tactic I employ on people I have no read on.
In the end, yes, you are probably town. Just the least enjoyable to play with town I've met yet.
Not that I think you're scum or anything... but has the mod ever PM'd you to announce the death of a teammate?
I dislike defeatism.
Now I'm feeling all left out. The only gimmick I ever knew that wasn't publicly revealed went away when kpaca got hisself banned.
o_O
...right. I should try for actual content.
But you are defending him! A player has made what may or may not be a slip. He is being attacked for it. We will get our best reactions from him if he comes back into the thread and is being attacked. If you weaken the attack by presenting alternatives, we get less of a reaction, less information from the person in question. In short: by giving Anak ways out, you are defending him.
I was happy that Seppel joined, as he is always entertaining to read, but I assumed that he was doing a fake daykill, because in-thread activated daykills are almost always fake. When it turned out to be real, and he was right and killed scum, I became happier. I am not sure what part of this you are having trouble believing.
Did you just claim that you are deliberately trying to be hard to read? That is normally not a townie mindset.
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Sigh. Still no Cythare. I will vote: Cythare in the meantime anyway. Also no Anak. I plan to do my own reread of the dead scum at some point, but do want to hear from those two.
Agreed.
Do you have a problem with someone getting a read on you?
If you're being honest now, what were you being before then?
Nope. I slung mud at Alpha. Instead, I should have called him out on his lurking.
If it takes me doing meaningless busywork for you to get a read on a me, I suggest you find a different scumhunting method.
That's how excitement works.
Got it, JeY.
Sucking up to me is a great way to find delicious carrots.
EtR still needs to flip, but it's pretty obvious he's scum by now -- the point is that Tzymo's and EtR's attacks on Rhand did not look like scum attacking scum.
I thought he was. I've received confirmation that he isn't.
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I'm going to stake a step back and start observing more. There are people who need to start getting into fights with each other and I: don't want to taint their reactions.
@Mod: Please be vigilant on prodding players. It's dreadfully annoying to see people notposting. It's been 46 hours since Tresserhorn has posted, for example -- he's about to clear two days without content, which, after a seven day hiatus, is aggravating. Also where the hell is Killjoy? Come onnnnnnnn!
Wait, what? How could it have been Manders when Manders replaced out of this game annouccing that she was leaving the site? Are you telling me that Manders was playing AND had a gimmick account active in the game as well?
You've got some explaining to do, Tom.
The GJ way path to no lynching: