2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Here is the point where I think everyone needs to take a second and think about whether we're dealing with caught scum, or "behaviors" from an inexperienced (in our meta game) town. Personally, I think it's looking pretty scummy so far, but without any reference games I'm not to the point of voting.
EBWOP: I can't tell if this is flailing town our flailing scum, is what I'm trying to say. Either way, if Allwin doesn't settle down to a point of useful contribution, I don't really see him(her?) Being an asset to the town.
EBWOP: I can't tell if this is flailing town our flailing scum, is what I'm trying to say. Either way, if Allwin doesn't settle down to a point of useful contribution, I don't really see him(her?) Being an asset to the town.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
EBWOP = Edit by way of (double) post. Since editing posts is verboten in game.
I understand that I've been quiet, but with my Ph.D. program having just started up, I'm having less time to dedicate to this game than I'd otherwise like.
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Here is the point where I think everyone needs to take a second and think about whether we're dealing with caught scum, or "behaviors" from an inexperienced (in our meta game) town. Personally, I think it's looking pretty scummy so far, but without any reference games I'm not to the point of voting.
"Maaan, my scumbuddy was caught way too fast, let me check with the town to see if his lynch is inevitable or there's still chance to salvage that mess".
unvote, vote allin this is the first time I caught scum so fast, scum implosion is sweet.
@Allin I know you are probably angry and sad at this point for being caught so fast, and I want to give you some words of confort.
First, I and the players here are not bad people or trolls, trampling newbies or players that don't know the meta. We have a purpose here, to caught scum and we are big spikes here, we play to win. That being said I know how you are feeling and I want you to understand that everything bad that happens is a learning experience, no hard feelings, after the game is over I'm sure me and everyone else will have a good time discussing your play and giving advices. Please don't abandon this subforum, give mafia another chance, we are really nice people here and we need you more than you need us, I say this from the botton of my heart: thank you and see you soon.
Second, from my experience replacing out is a scumtell but few people on this subforum know/agree with this. I think I was pioneer on the "creation" of this tell and I think only Iso, Gman and people from the Mean Girls know my reasons in depth, that's why I asked your reasons, you are a new player so I believe you were easily jumping in the very "next big wagon" just because "DRey and Cyoni said it was a scumtell, I have no blame at all". When you create fake experiences on another mafia forum to prove your reasons were valid you just proved I was right and you are scum. This has nothing to do with meta (but it's true Shalako loves to be scum, I know this but it's uninportant for your situation I just said to vote him to hopefully end rvs). Also you are wrong that "vanilla scum usually replace more than town" the real tell is "scum replace more than town period" being scum power role or not has nothing to do with this just being scum is overbearing for many players. In fact I will probably make a research to see if vanilla scum replace more often than power scum, that's a good idea, actually I expect that power scum replace even more because if they screw up their team is in pretty bad shape.
Anyway, I hope you keep playing, remember your problem was not a "lack of meta" your problem is that you faked reasons you couldn't back of and lack of experience, the skill level on this subforum is pretty high imho, even I'm one of the lesser players here.
@Cyoni from where you got this tell? Have you reached the same conclusions from me on your own or have you read any games it mattered?
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The game is not being dumbed down. Control is doing fine; Draw-Go is not the only kind of control. Aggro is doing fine; Red Deck Wins is not the only kind of aggro. Creature combat is an important core concept and belongs in every color. Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
At this point, I think Allwin is town with very questionable behavior.
Reasons being?
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The game is not being dumbed down. Control is doing fine; Draw-Go is not the only kind of control. Aggro is doing fine; Red Deck Wins is not the only kind of aggro. Creature combat is an important core concept and belongs in every color. Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
"Maaan, my scumbuddy was caught way too fast, let me check with the town to see if his lynch is inevitable or there's still chance to salvage that mess".
unvote, vote allin this is the first time I caught scum so fast, scum implosion is sweet.
@Allin I know you are probably angry and sad at this point for being caught so fast, and I want to give you some words of confort.
First, I and the players here are not bad people or trolls, trampling newbies or players that don't know the meta. We have a purpose here, to caught scum and we are big spikes here, we play to win. That being said I know how you are feeling and I want you to understand that everything bad that happens is a learning experience, no hard feelings, after the game is over I'm sure me and everyone else will have a good time discussing your play and giving advices. Please don't abandon this subforum, give mafia another chance, we are really nice people here and we need you more than you need us, I say this from the botton of my heart: thank you and see you soon.
Second, from my experience replacing out is a scumtell but few people on this subforum know/agree with this. I think I was pioneer on the "creation" of this tell and I think only Iso, Gman and people from the Mean Girls know my reasons in depth, that's why I asked your reasons, you are a new player so I believe you were easily jumping in the very "next big wagon" just because "DRey and Cyoni said it was a scumtell, I have no blame at all". When you create fake experiences on another mafia forum to prove your reasons were valid you just proved I was right and you are scum. This has nothing to do with meta (but it's true Shalako loves to be scum, I know this but it's uninportant for your situation I just said to vote him to hopefully end rvs). Also you are wrong that "vanilla scum usually replace more than town" the real tell is "scum replace more than town period" being scum power role or not has nothing to do with this just being scum is overbearing for many players. In fact I will probably make a research to see if vanilla scum replace more often than power scum, that's a good idea, actually I expect that power scum replace even more because if they screw up their team is in pretty bad shape.
Anyway, I hope you keep playing, remember your problem was not a "lack of meta" your problem is that you faked reasons you couldn't back of and lack of experience, the skill level on this subforum is pretty high imho, even I'm one of the lesser players here.
@Cyoni from where you got this tell? Have you reached the same conclusions from me on your own or have you read any games it mattered?
This post gives me bad feels. Too much offensive gg, I think.
I'm just reading his reaction as panicked, trapped town. He doesn't know what to do now.
Seriously Iso? I don't remember you being like that in that game you caught fluffy in a post or two because of his sig. The guy IMPLODED on minimal pressure, he was also caught lying about his innumerable games where vanilla scum replace out. On top of it all he also voted on himself, I don't even remember a game where town vote for himself.
This post gives me bad feels. Too much offensive gg, I think.
Offensive gg?
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The game is not being dumbed down. Control is doing fine; Draw-Go is not the only kind of control. Aggro is doing fine; Red Deck Wins is not the only kind of aggro. Creature combat is an important core concept and belongs in every color. Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
Seriously Iso? I don't remember you being like that in that game you caught fluffy in a post or two because of his sig. The guy IMPLODED on minimal pressure, he was also caught lying about his innumerable games where vanilla scum replace out. On top of it all he also voted on himself, I don't even remember a game where town vote for himself.
I self-hammered as town in Modern Family. Surely you remember that, you were in it.
As for me "being like that", with the reputation of my clan on my shoulders, I'm tightening up my play for this game - make what you will of it.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Yeah unfortunately I remember, I still have nightmares about your play that game.
Anyway your clan reputation will certainly increase after lynching scum in D1 so fast, unless you aren't town.
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The game is not being dumbed down. Control is doing fine; Draw-Go is not the only kind of control. Aggro is doing fine; Red Deck Wins is not the only kind of aggro. Creature combat is an important core concept and belongs in every color. Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
"Maaan, my scumbuddy was caught way too fast, let me check with the town to see if his lynch is inevitable or there's still chance to salvage that mess".
The post you are quoting gives me bad vibes, but Vishamon is not an experienced player, so I am willing to cut him some slack. You, on the other hand...
I'm just reading his reaction as panicked, trapped town. He doesn't know what to do now.
When I don't know what to do, I do nothing. I don't frenetically vote, then unvote myself. That is something panicked scum do to try to deflect pressure. This case is a slam-dunk.
Alright, I've read the last 50 posts a few times through so I can try to gather what's going on.
My initial suspicions are that Allwin is definitely trapped n00b, but it's a null tell in my mind between whether he's actually mafia or town. His posts say to me "I don't know how to get out of this, so I'm not going to try". If you put enough pressure on anyone, town or scum, they will eventually slip up. I am not sure how much of an asset said person is for the town, but I am not convinced that he is actually part of team scum.
On the other hand, DRey's post (post 158) is incredibly condescending and demeaning as well.
Relevant two lines are
unvote, vote allin this is the first time I caught scum so fast, scum implosion is sweet.
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Second, from my experience replacing out is a scumtell but few people on this subforum know/agree with this. (Bold his)
Besides the condescension in the post being completely unwarranted (and quite frankly rude), this post reeks of pushing extremely hard on a player whose made some mistakes without really doing any critical analysis other than "my experience shows that scum replaces out more than town". That in and of itself is the entirety of your point, before which you make some condescending remarks and after which you go about telling yourself (rambling really) about how you should go do some research to validate your point. Here's my interpretation of this post:
"I have found a legitimate reason in the eyes of the town mindset to lynch this person, and by God I'm taking it."
Anyway, my initial analysis from going through this several times is that this apologizing for lynching him for being a bad player, without real evidence to support his being scum. After this, Allwin goes into a spiral of despondency and giving up, which I attribute to n00bishness (whether town or scum, I don't know at this point, it's a null tell on that axis).
Unvote Reya, Vote DRey.
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gg is often said by the losing team when it's obvious they have lost in games such as Starcraft. An offensive gg is said pre-emptively by the winning team, especially when the game is not won by any means.
I'm feeling a bit better about Drifting Skies after that last post.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Sorry for being late to the party, I got really sick over the weekend. And because of this day, I'm starting prodding from this point. That means the few people that haven't posted in a while have a few more days *cough* kill-joy & sXe *cough* *cough* to post before I start sending prods out.
No just continuing my habit of just going with the towns vote to cover my scum nature
But on a more serious note I realize that my inexperience with the players is going to be regarded as tells and other then reading all of the 16 players game history I have no way of equalizing the playing field to scumhunt without being regarded as a scum myself due to just using the knowledge found within the thread and my past games.
EDIT: 15 player histories... I dont have to read mine lol
use of FoS while vote is not tied up, especially when the person he is voting is not in danger of a hammer or the game is early on and 1 vote doesnt change the game as much is a big scumtell.
Honestly, I thought FoS was considered outmoded in our meta.
I find DRey's suspicion of me laughable, especially when Drifting Sky say essentially the same thing I did several posts later. (wording is different, but the point is the same)
@Iso: I'm interested to hear what part of DS's post you found objectionable that was absent from mine. * Vishamon waits with baited breath
After Allwin flips scum, we can look at DRey again.
EWP: The emotes in the above post are so obviously fake.
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You're very convinced on this case, huh? This sounds like the AI I've read in games past +town points.
I agree with you about DRey - he's a very agressive player with a tenancy to tunnel, but this seems a but much even for him.
Still, just because I think you're town doesn't mean I think you're right. I won't go so far as to say Allwin reads as trapped town, but I'm still influencing the possibility.
Will give a more conclusive post after I've booted up the computer (I'm on my tablet now).
"Cryptic phrasing" because what I learned about Shalako was said in a private environment not related to this game and I don't want to be indiscreet about something that may be personal info.
"Cryptic phrasing" because what I learned about Shalako was said in a private environment not related to this game and I don't want to be indiscreet about something that may be personal info.
I figured as much, but I wanted to make sure that you weren't referencing an ongoing game or discussing something else that was public information.
Allwin: Is English your first language? I ask because some of the grammatical constructions you use in your posts (particularly your second of the game) reads very oddly.
Because your vote for Shalako came out of nowhere with your first post. Then you say it's because of him replacing out, and that you are "comfortable lynching this person". I find that reasoning to be suspicious/scummy.
And yes English is my first language. Don't know what this shows other them I have terrible grammar.
To me it shows you don't read your posts before posting them - especially given the "train of consciousness" nature of your content. This actually makes you more town in my eyes, as noob scum is more likely to be hyper self aware whereas noob town often don't consider the way things they say might look to others - "I know I'm town, why would anyone else not see that?"
Half the votes on Allwin's wagon don't sit right with me (GR and DRey). For that reason, Unvote, Vote: DRey
DRey feels fake. That's the best way I can put it. It's like he's trying to emulate how he normally sounds but it just ends up even more obtuse than usual.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
My initial suspicions are that Allwin is definitely trapped n00b, but it's a null tell in my mind between whether he's actually mafia or town.
Bolded and underlined mine. The reason this stuck out to me so strongly is because he's using the words "initial suspicions", as though to hint that he believes it's worth considering scummy, but then he goes and says it's null and that he can't tell if Allwin is scum or town. I wouldn't say it's contradictory, because context is relevant, but the mindset doesn't bode well with me. Basically, I don't understand why he would use a strong word like "suspicion" in a game like Mafia where suspicion generally connotates (Firefox doesn't recognize connotates? Really?) that there is something to be, in fact, suspicious of. Maybe just poor phrasing, but it caught my eye.
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His posts say to me "I don't know how to get out of this, so I'm not going to try". If you put enough pressure on anyone, town or scum, they will eventually slip up. I am not sure how much of an asset said person is for the town, but I am not convinced that he is actually part of team scum.
I have no idea what (or who, rather) the part outside of the quotes is referring to. Not saying this is a point against him, I would just like it to be clarified so I can better understand this post.
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On the other hand, DRey's post (post 158) is incredibly condescending and demeaning as well.
Relevant two lines are
Besides the condescension in the post being completely unwarranted (and quite frankly rude), this post reeks of pushing extremely hard on a player whose made some mistakes without really doing any critical analysis other than "my experience shows that scum replaces out more than town". That in and of itself is the entirety of your point, before which you make some condescending remarks and after which you go about telling yourself (rambling really) about how you should go do some research to validate your point.
Since when is condescension a scumtell? While I agree with your assessment of DRey at this point, my experience with him is telling me that, once again, he's town and really just digging himself into a hole like he always does.
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Here's my interpretation of this post:
"I have found a legitimate reason in the eyes of the town mindset to lynch this person, and by God I'm taking it."
Legit, but again, DRey.
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Anyway, my initial analysis from going through this several times is that this apologizing for lynching him for being a bad player, without real evidence to support his being scum. After this, Allwin goes into a spiral of despondency and giving up, which I attribute to n00bishness (whether town or scum, I don't know at this point, it's a null tell on that axis).
Do you think DRey's alignment is indicative of Allwin's in any way?
use of FoS while vote is not tied up, especially when the person he is voting is not in danger of a hammer or the game is early on and 1 vote doesnt change the game as much is a big scumtell.
It's not Halloween yet. However, I don't get the feeling that GR feels under pressure from this response, which is a good sign for him, but still keeping my eye on him for the FoS thing.
Because your vote for Shalako came out of nowhere with your first post. Then you say it's because of him replacing out, and that you are "comfortable lynching this person". I find that reasoning to be suspicious/scummy.
To me it shows you don't read your posts before posting them - especially given the "train of consciousness" nature of your content. This actually makes you more town in my eyes, as noob scum is more likely to be hyper self aware whereas noob town often don't consider the way things they say might look to others - "I know I'm town, why would anyone else not see that?"
Here is the point where I think everyone needs to take a second and think about whether we're dealing with caught scum, or "behaviors" from an inexperienced (in our meta game) town. Personally, I think it's looking pretty scummy so far, but without any reference games I'm not to the point of voting.
I didn't really take note of this initially, but yeah, that is some pretty poor fence-sitting. (Yeah yeah, he basically said "leaning scum", blah blah.) But this reads to me like Vish is looking for the approval of the town to push this wagon.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
(Okay gonna get some sleep before my trip bye guys. I should probably have time on Thursday before work to respond to anything that comes up, but if not, hopefully Friday before work. :))
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Computer restarted on me to install updates (read: Government Trojan Horses designed to tip the CIA and throw me in GitMo whenever I do something The Man doesn't like), and I lost all my notes up to this point...
This makes me angry. In fact, it makes me so angry that I'm going to:
Vote: Reya Cookiebringer to sate the Random Number God, my benevolent lord and master.
It’s weird seeing this on the opposite perspective. I’ve used the dice function as a way to randomly choose players for questioning. But for voting seems awkward.
I do believe as much. The closest indication to the contrary would be Tordeck's statement back on page three about there having been three people who voted for him in RVS.
Interesting. You didn’t see Vishamon’s post voting for tordeck as serious?
Your also incorrect. Az was caught scum and knew he was. It was just never fully mentioned in the thread. It explains his behavior prior to him getting lynched.
I’m not sure if you purposely left that out or you didn’t remember that part of the game. I know you were a very late replacement into the game.
Post.
Honestly, I'm not sure the current discussion topic is offering much to go on. I'm getting slight town feels from Iso and AI, not that it indicates much in the case of the former...
Please provide the posts that helped you gain your read on Iso and AsianI.
My vote is not random but as stated earlier people pulling from the game and a replacement coming in isn't a good sign in my opinion and so until I can further my knowledge of the group. I have voted to lynch Shalako.
Do you have a town read on DRey?
Why are you following what DRey has posted?
@ Allwinapprentice
Would you please be more specific than less than 20 games completed? This is too vague of an answer. It seems like you purposely with holding the information to get a better advantage on town.
Your past experiences are pretty cool, now give me the links of those games where vanilla scum replaced out and vanilla town didn't. Not that I don't believe you of course, but I want to read those games. I love reading you know?
What do you mean with your wink face at the end of your post? It came across to me as if you had no intentions on reading the game(s) Allwinappretice supplied.
Those games were from when I was in highschool and on another site (gaiaonline.com) I no longer keep them sorry. Believe what you will but I can not link those games for you or others to reference the switches of people or look at other games I have played. And you still missed answering if there is a reason that Shalako shouldn't be lynched..
Then why even bother making a claim as such? Baseless claims are never good. Someone with your experience should know this.
Vote allwin That vote was terribad. Let's go along with everyvote town has how about it. There is no evidence against shalako at this point and Drey's against him is bad as well. As far I can tell his replacement has nothing to do with whether he is town or scum and just because he likes playing scum more does not make him more likely to be town. It's a null tell
While I do agree with the vote I don’t agree with your reason on why DRey looks bad. DRey was fishing for reactions with those posts. It explains his lack of vote. DRey may have caught scum because of it. For you to mention this does not look good for you.
Here is the point where I think everyone needs to take a second and think about whether we're dealing with caught scum, or "behaviors" from an inexperienced (in our meta game) town. Personally, I think it's looking pretty scummy so far, but without any reference games I'm not to the point of voting.
EBWOP: I can't tell if this is flailing town our flailing scum, is what I'm trying to say. Either way, if Allwin doesn't settle down to a point of useful contribution, I don't really see him(her?) Being an asset to the town.
This seems like that Vishamon is calling Allwinappretice scummy in the first post, but then is referring to a Policy Lynch in the second which indicates to me that Vishamon doesn’t believe Allwinapprentice to be scum.
If I read this correctly, then I see possible Vishamon/Allwinapprentice scum team.
Alright, I've read the last 50 posts a few times through so I can try to gather what's going on.
Unvote Reya, Vote DRey.
You read only the last 50 posts and have enough understanding of everything in the game to vote for someone. I highly doubt since your post is #166 which means you only read back to #116. There is at least two-thirds of the game that you are not paying attention too. I do not like your vote for this reason.
use of FoS while vote is not tied up, especially when the person he is voting is not in danger of a hammer or the game is early on and 1 vote doesnt change the game as much is a big scumtell.
You worded this awkwardly. Would you please rephrase it?
Still, just because I think you're town doesn't mean I think you're right. I won't go so far as to say Allwin reads as trapped town, but I'm still influencing the possibility.
Will give a more conclusive post after I've booted up the computer (I'm on my tablet now).
You've been on that fence for while now. Don't hurt yourself.
To me it shows you don't read your posts before posting them - especially given the "train of consciousness" nature of your content. This actually makes you more town in my eyes, as noob scum is more likely to be hyper self aware whereas noob town often don't consider the way things they say might look to others - "I know I'm town, why would anyone else not see that?"
Why are you so quick to dismiss this as newb town? Allwinapprentice stated he is experienced.
Do you still believe Allwinapprentice to be newb town with his experience?
Would you please give your reasoning on why a u]obviously fake[/u]Day Kill attempt is scummy?
Naked vote only if you refuse to not read your post prior to it.
Was there any type of reasoning with the vote? No. Then it was naked.
You worded this awkwardly. Would you please rephrase it?
GR used a FOS instead of a Vote while his Vote was not tied up anywhere and the person in question was not in danger of being hammered. This is a scum tell.
Was there any type of reasoning with the vote? No. Then it was naked.
GR used a FOS instead of a Vote while his Vote was not tied up anywhere and the person in question was not in danger of being hammered. This is a scum tell.
I knew it was fake. The entire context of it was RVS. Did Vishamon know this? Doubtful.
If you want to look at that simply then sure. But it's more to than just that. Vishamon voted for you for your Day Kill attempt despite how obviously fake it was. It was a horrid vote.
I'm not arguing about the tell. I wanted clairification because the way it was worder prior made it sound like you were stating GR was with holding his vote, but at the same time had his vote else where. It confused me. Thanks for fixing it.
I didn't really take note of this initially, but yeah, that is some pretty poor fence-sitting. (Yeah yeah, he basically said "leaning scum", blah blah.) But this reads to me like Vish is looking for the approval of the town to push this wagon.
Unvote, Vote Vishamon
I like this reasoning, and Void's as well. I'll put Vish in my leaning scum pile. Still like my vote on DRey.
Speaking of which, major town points for Void for that last post.
@Void: I was referring to the fact that Az never came out and said he was scum. It was obvious that he was (though how he wasn't lynched sooner I'll never know), but he never claimed it like Iso did.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
EBWOP?
At this point, I think Allwin is town with very questionable behavior.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I understand that I've been quiet, but with my Ph.D. program having just started up, I'm having less time to dedicate to this game than I'd otherwise like.
Went to a new shop from a friend's recommendation, DQ'ed for willful violation of CR 100.6b.
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Modern:
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unvote, vote allin this is the first time I caught scum so fast, scum implosion is sweet.
@Allin I know you are probably angry and sad at this point for being caught so fast, and I want to give you some words of confort.
First, I and the players here are not bad people or trolls, trampling newbies or players that don't know the meta. We have a purpose here, to caught scum and we are big spikes here, we play to win. That being said I know how you are feeling and I want you to understand that everything bad that happens is a learning experience, no hard feelings, after the game is over I'm sure me and everyone else will have a good time discussing your play and giving advices. Please don't abandon this subforum, give mafia another chance, we are really nice people here and we need you more than you need us, I say this from the botton of my heart: thank you and see you soon.
Second, from my experience replacing out is a scumtell but few people on this subforum know/agree with this. I think I was pioneer on the "creation" of this tell and I think only Iso, Gman and people from the Mean Girls know my reasons in depth, that's why I asked your reasons, you are a new player so I believe you were easily jumping in the very "next big wagon" just because "DRey and Cyoni said it was a scumtell, I have no blame at all". When you create fake experiences on another mafia forum to prove your reasons were valid you just proved I was right and you are scum. This has nothing to do with meta (but it's true Shalako loves to be scum, I know this but it's uninportant for your situation I just said to vote him to hopefully end rvs). Also you are wrong that "vanilla scum usually replace more than town" the real tell is "scum replace more than town period" being scum power role or not has nothing to do with this just being scum is overbearing for many players. In fact I will probably make a research to see if vanilla scum replace more often than power scum, that's a good idea, actually I expect that power scum replace even more because if they screw up their team is in pretty bad shape.
Anyway, I hope you keep playing, remember your problem was not a "lack of meta" your problem is that you faked reasons you couldn't back of and lack of experience, the skill level on this subforum is pretty high imho, even I'm one of the lesser players here.
@Cyoni from where you got this tell? Have you reached the same conclusions from me on your own or have you read any games it mattered?
Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
I'm just reading his reaction as panicked, trapped town. He doesn't know what to do now.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
This post gives me bad feels. Too much offensive gg, I think.
Seriously Iso? I don't remember you being like that in that game you caught fluffy in a post or two because of his sig. The guy IMPLODED on minimal pressure, he was also caught lying about his innumerable games where vanilla scum replace out. On top of it all he also voted on himself, I don't even remember a game where town vote for himself.
Offensive gg?
Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
I self-hammered as town in Modern Family. Surely you remember that, you were in it.
As for me "being like that", with the reputation of my clan on my shoulders, I'm tightening up my play for this game - make what you will of it.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Anyway your clan reputation will certainly increase after lynching scum in D1 so fast, unless you aren't town.
Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
inorite?
The post you are quoting gives me bad vibes, but Vishamon is not an experienced player, so I am willing to cut him some slack. You, on the other hand...
When I don't know what to do, I do nothing. I don't frenetically vote, then unvote myself. That is something panicked scum do to try to deflect pressure. This case is a slam-dunk.
This. After Allwin flips scum, we can look at DRey again.
EWP: The emotes in the above post are so obviously fake.
My initial suspicions are that Allwin is definitely trapped n00b, but it's a null tell in my mind between whether he's actually mafia or town. His posts say to me "I don't know how to get out of this, so I'm not going to try". If you put enough pressure on anyone, town or scum, they will eventually slip up. I am not sure how much of an asset said person is for the town, but I am not convinced that he is actually part of team scum.
On the other hand, DRey's post (post 158) is incredibly condescending and demeaning as well.
Relevant two lines are
Besides the condescension in the post being completely unwarranted (and quite frankly rude), this post reeks of pushing extremely hard on a player whose made some mistakes without really doing any critical analysis other than "my experience shows that scum replaces out more than town". That in and of itself is the entirety of your point, before which you make some condescending remarks and after which you go about telling yourself (rambling really) about how you should go do some research to validate your point. Here's my interpretation of this post:
"I have found a legitimate reason in the eyes of the town mindset to lynch this person, and by God I'm taking it."
Anyway, my initial analysis from going through this several times is that this apologizing for lynching him for being a bad player, without real evidence to support his being scum. After this, Allwin goes into a spiral of despondency and giving up, which I attribute to n00bishness (whether town or scum, I don't know at this point, it's a null tell on that axis).
Unvote Reya, Vote DRey.
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Modern:
- GW Birthing Pod(?)
Legacy:
- UWR Delver
gg is often said by the losing team when it's obvious they have lost in games such as Starcraft. An offensive gg is said pre-emptively by the winning team, especially when the game is not won by any means.
I'm feeling a bit better about Drifting Skies after that last post.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Running late on schedule. Will look at what the hell Allwin is talking about, also going to go over that big post of DRy's in detail.
@Allwin: Why is replacing out make Shalako definitively scum?
Glad to see that DRy's ego is still bigger than Cyan's.
FoS Allwinapprentice
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Allwinapprentice - 4 |AsianInvasion, Reya_Cookiebringer, Wheat_Grinder, DRey
tordeck - 1 |kill-joy
Reya_Cookiebringer - 1 |Digi
Vishamon - 1 |tordeck
Wheat_Grinder - 1 |Vishamon
Drifting Skies - 1 |Iso
DRey - 1 |Drifting Skies
I'm letting Eco handle this when he gets back.
I agree with you who agrees with me.
Bated breath.
Seems reasonable.
I lol'd.
Why the cryptic phrasing?
Why no vote?
use of FoS while vote is not tied up, especially when the person he is voting is not in danger of a hammer or the game is early on and 1 vote doesnt change the game as much is a big scumtell.
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AFAIK?
FoS?
First time playing this on these forums if you all wouldn't mind spelling it out the first time it would be much appreciated. Thanks!
"As far as I know."
"Finger of Suspicion."
Google is your friend.
I find DRey's suspicion of me laughable, especially when Drifting Sky say essentially the same thing I did several posts later. (wording is different, but the point is the same)
@Iso: I'm interested to hear what part of DS's post you found objectionable that was absent from mine.
* Vishamon waits with baited breath
(bold mine)
You're very convinced on this case, huh? This sounds like the AI I've read in games past +town points.
I agree with you about DRey - he's a very agressive player with a tenancy to tunnel, but this seems a but much even for him.
Still, just because I think you're town doesn't mean I think you're right. I won't go so far as to say Allwin reads as trapped town, but I'm still influencing the possibility.
Will give a more conclusive post after I've booted up the computer (I'm on my tablet now).
"Cryptic phrasing" because what I learned about Shalako was said in a private environment not related to this game and I don't want to be indiscreet about something that may be personal info.
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Thank you, tried googling it but when it didn't work I figured asking was better then assuming.
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Check out this post for a handy list of stuff we use here (it's in the appropriately named second spoiler box)
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=3645493&postcount=2
I figured as much, but I wanted to make sure that you weren't referencing an ongoing game or discussing something else that was public information.
"Customs?"
Also, the others players who have voted Allwin have justified their votes (to some extent). Please do the same.
Like I always say:
"That awkward moment when your typos are actual words and the spell checker doesn't catch theme".
Also Spanish, grammar, etc.
Sry.
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*considering. ******* swype
Please don't self-censor
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Nice to know you're trying to force a mislynch day one because of a legitimate belief it'll help your scum teammates win.
vote DRey
Please explain your reasons.
And yes English is my first language. Don't know what this shows other them I have terrible grammar.
Because your vote for Shalako came out of nowhere with your first post. Then you say it's because of him replacing out, and that you are "comfortable lynching this person". I find that reasoning to be suspicious/scummy.
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To me it shows you don't read your posts before posting them - especially given the "train of consciousness" nature of your content. This actually makes you more town in my eyes, as noob scum is more likely to be hyper self aware whereas noob town often don't consider the way things they say might look to others - "I know I'm town, why would anyone else not see that?"
DRey feels fake. That's the best way I can put it. It's like he's trying to emulate how he normally sounds but it just ends up even more obtuse than usual.
That being said, making a catch-up post now for before I go.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Looking back, apparently this post wasn't as bad as I initially thought at first glance - but there are still some things that stand out to me:
Bolded and underlined mine. The reason this stuck out to me so strongly is because he's using the words "initial suspicions", as though to hint that he believes it's worth considering scummy, but then he goes and says it's null and that he can't tell if Allwin is scum or town. I wouldn't say it's contradictory, because context is relevant, but the mindset doesn't bode well with me. Basically, I don't understand why he would use a strong word like "suspicion" in a game like Mafia where suspicion generally connotates (Firefox doesn't recognize connotates? Really?) that there is something to be, in fact, suspicious of. Maybe just poor phrasing, but it caught my eye.
I have no idea what (or who, rather) the part outside of the quotes is referring to. Not saying this is a point against him, I would just like it to be clarified so I can better understand this post.
Since when is condescension a scumtell? While I agree with your assessment of DRey at this point, my experience with him is telling me that, once again, he's town and really just digging himself into a hole like he always does.
Legit, but again, DRey.
Do you think DRey's alignment is indicative of Allwin's in any way?
Gonna explain either reason?
Why no vote?Seems AI Nath'd me on this.I don't remember seeing anything wrong with your post offhand, but now I'm gonna go look at it, since you've kindly pointed it out to me.
It's not Halloween yet. However, I don't get the feeling that GR feels under pressure from this response, which is a good sign for him, but still keeping my eye on him for the FoS thing.
Why is that suspicious/scummy to you?
Now, here's Vish's post:
I didn't really take note of this initially, but yeah, that is some pretty poor fence-sitting. (Yeah yeah, he basically said "leaning scum", blah blah.) But this reads to me like Vish is looking for the approval of the town to push this wagon.
Unvote, Vote Vishamon
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I have reason to believe Iso is town.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Would you please give your reasoning on why a Day Kill attempt is scummy?
Why did you vote tordeck if you were going to make another RVS post?
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Naked vote only if you refuse to not read your post prior to it.
Why so serious, DRey?
Why do you feel the need to direct a PR?
Why would you believe a Jester would be in this game? Even more so when AsianI claimed one with eight votes.
19 completed game. My blog has the rest of the information you are looking for.
I disagree with your vote.
Your vote on tordeck was better than this one. Neither is good though.
It’s weird seeing this on the opposite perspective. I’ve used the dice function as a way to randomly choose players for questioning. But for voting seems awkward.
Why is sXe obvious scum?
Interesting. You didn’t see Vishamon’s post voting for tordeck as serious?
You voted sXe over a possible breadcrumb?
Your also incorrect. Az was caught scum and knew he was. It was just never fully mentioned in the thread. It explains his behavior prior to him getting lynched.
I’m not sure if you purposely left that out or you didn’t remember that part of the game. I know you were a very late replacement into the game.
I’m willing to accept Cyouni as town for the moment from this comment.
Please provide the posts that helped you gain your read on Iso and AsianI.
Wanting a Policy Lynch this early is never good. What information would an Iso lynch give us this early?
Do you have a town read on DRey?
Why are you following what DRey has posted?
@ Allwinapprentice
Would you please be more specific than less than 20 games completed? This is too vague of an answer. It seems like you purposely with holding the information to get a better advantage on town.
Why did you feel the need to try to trap someone so early?
Could you over react a little harder next time? I don’t think the other games heard you.
What do you mean with your wink face at the end of your post? It came across to me as if you had no intentions on reading the game(s) Allwinappretice supplied.
Then why even bother making a claim as such? Baseless claims are never good. Someone with your experience should know this.
While I do agree with the vote I don’t agree with your reason on why DRey looks bad. DRey was fishing for reactions with those posts. It explains his lack of vote. DRey may have caught scum because of it. For you to mention this does not look good for you.
Do you believe you would benefit from making this move? If yes, then please explain as best you can.
This seems like that Vishamon is calling Allwinappretice scummy in the first post, but then is referring to a Policy Lynch in the second which indicates to me that Vishamon doesn’t believe Allwinapprentice to be scum.
If I read this correctly, then I see possible Vishamon/Allwinapprentice scum team.
You read only the last 50 posts and have enough understanding of everything in the game to vote for someone. I highly doubt since your post is #166 which means you only read back to #116. There is at least two-thirds of the game that you are not paying attention too. I do not like your vote for this reason.
You worded this awkwardly. Would you please rephrase it?
You've been on that fence for while now. Don't hurt yourself.
There is an obvious language barrier that you missing here. Caught should be catch with the way it reads. Poor vote
Why are you so quick to dismiss this as newb town? Allwinapprentice stated he is experienced.
Do you still believe Allwinapprentice to be newb town with his experience?
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I would be willing to lynch Vishamon as well.
Was there any type of reasoning with the vote? No. Then it was naked.
GR used a FOS instead of a Vote while his Vote was not tied up anywhere and the person in question was not in danger of being hammered. This is a scum tell.
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I knew it was fake. The entire context of it was RVS. Did Vishamon know this? Doubtful.
If you want to look at that simply then sure. But it's more to than just that. Vishamon voted for you for your Day Kill attempt despite how obviously fake it was. It was a horrid vote.
I'm not arguing about the tell. I wanted clairification because the way it was worder prior made it sound like you were stating GR was with holding his vote, but at the same time had his vote else where. It confused me. Thanks for fixing it.
I like this reasoning, and Void's as well. I'll put Vish in my leaning scum pile. Still like my vote on DRey.
Speaking of which, major town points for Void for that last post.
@Void: I was referring to the fact that Az never came out and said he was scum. It was obvious that he was (though how he wasn't lynched sooner I'll never know), but he never claimed it like Iso did.