PART THE FIRST: We are not at LYLO, it is currently MYLO. There are two remaining scum, four remaining town. By my understanding of the game, there's three living power roles and one of them is scum.
Please explain how you came to the conclusion that there are 3 Living Power Roles and One of Them is Scum?
SHALAKO The person you were gunning for as scummy was town. This reflects poorly on you. What is your response to this flip?
He was so Scummy he was Vig'd. That's my response to his flip.
This game is entirely in the hands of the Town. If we do not have absolute certainty of a correct lynch, we must not make it
Tordeck jumps immediately to the forefront for me. He recognizes we're in a mylo/lylo situation, yet he comes out of the gate firing at Nyxu without providing any case to go with it. And while Meg died Town, that doesn't mean he was right about Nyxu. On the other hand, I don't like Nyxu's insinuation that Town is in good shape right now.
Why do you feel this way tordeck?
What's the last game we played in? CC, Math Mafia or TF2?
Arithmetic Mafia game was a Game I knew Tordeck was not In.
I was the Doctor:cool2:
Also way to take a Stance.
At this early stage of the day, I'm thinking we need to lynch either Nyxu or Tordeck IF (and only IF) we decide not to go the No Lynch route. I'm not saying I wouldn't consider lynching anyone else if someone can come up with a good case. I'm just saying that I think one of Tordeck or Nyxu is scum. Right now I'm leaning more towards Tordeck than Nyxu.
We've had no indications that there is a second killing role in the game, and if we DO have a 1-shot Vig or something,
I thought a lot about if I should draw attention to this or not.
But considering this game needs a Kick in the Pants I'm going to.
There IS a second Killing Role in this game. The Fact that Nyxu just happens to mention this after Last Night The Scum Found out there is one is suspicious as hell.
Mafia can easily hide in generic VT claims with little risk of being counterclaimed. And that's assuming they weren't provided with fake claims to begin with. But more importantly, the only "power" role revealed so far is a 1-shot Neighborizer. A mass claim is more likely to help Scum kill power roles than it is to help Town catch Scum.
Just my opinion though. If the group consensus is to mass claim, I'll go along with it.
Why do you assume that The Generic people are the VT?
@Everyone There are three outcomes to this day under the assumption that my count is correct:
LYNCH SCUM: Scum NK, we move on to 3 Town, 1 Scum. MYLO continues.
LYNCH TOWN: Scum NK, 2 Town, 2 Scum. Scum Wins.
NO LYNCH: Scum NK, we move on to 3 Town, 2 Scum. LYLO.
This game is entirely in the hands of the Town. If we do not have absolute certainty of a correct lynch, we must not make it
This math looks good to me. Also I agree with the last part.
Re: massclaim: It really depends on the confidence of the lynch today. If we're ABSOLUTELY sure we're lynching scum, then it can wait a day. If not, we need to do it now to help with the elimination process.
Jesus Christ provide some ****ing Content for Once.
We have 6 people still alive and presumably 2 scum among them. What happens when we massclaim and reveal who Katniss, Peeta and Thresh are to the Mafia? Although I suspect Katniss may not actually be in the game since the Mod seems to be playing the part of Katniss in the day/night flavor posts. Still, we'll tell the Mafia who Peeta and Thresh are while the remaining Mafia hide among the 4 generic claims we'll almost certainly get.
I'm gonna keep my Name under my Hat because it's not needed info.
We may even be pushing Town to lie in order to protect their role. Something to think about. (Yes, I am assuming our power roles will be among the named characters and not among the generic roles. That's the norm that I've seen from past games with flavor that had a few well known roles. Those roles are almost always the power roles. But I admit that's a bit of modgaming on my part.)
So again why are you ignoring that FoxFace was a VT?
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Normally a massclaim would be fine at this stage, if we had all powerroles revealed, or we the remaining suspected power roles have lost their usefulness. Only flip we've had today is a 1shot friendly neighbor. From a logical perspective, there's at least one more out there, and we don't even know what categlory it falls under (Protective, Investigative, etc), though we can assume from n1 there could be a doc or a roleblocker, due to the fact that there was no kill. I'm not willing to reveal either of those just yet.
Gaming the setup is a bad idea. We can't say for sure that any of those people are power roles. We aren't even sure that they're being used in the setup.
That said, your point is essentially the same as mine, in that we don't want to reveal too much info to the scum at this time.
So, yea. No massclaim right now.
What a Load of non-scum hunting and attempting to skate under the Radar.
PART THE FIRST: We are not at LYLO, it is currently MYLO. There are two remaining scum, four remaining town. By my understanding of the game, there's three living power roles and one of them is scum.
Please explain how you came to the conclusion that there are 3 Living Power Roles and One of Them is Scum?
Basic setup AFAIK is 3 Town Power 1 Scum Power. We’ve lost one Town Power. I could be wrong.
SHALAKO The person you were gunning for as scummy was town. This reflects poorly on you. What is your response to this flip?
He was so Scummy he was Vig'd. That's my response to his flip.
You seem to have quite a bit of knowledge as to who was vig’d and who was Mafia Killed. How do we know that it wasn’t the other way around?
This game is entirely in the hands of the Town. If we do not have absolute certainty of a correct lynch, we must not make it
"We" "We"
Because the plural of “you” is so much better in this case.
Tordeck jumps immediately to the forefront for me. He recognizes we're in a mylo/lylo situation, yet he comes out of the gate firing at Nyxu without providing any case to go with it. And while Meg died Town, that doesn't mean he was right about Nyxu. On the other hand, I don't like Nyxu's insinuation that Town is in good shape right now.
Why do you feel this way tordeck?
What's the last game we played in? CC, Math Mafia or TF2?
Arithmetic Mafia game was a Game I knew Tordeck was not In.
I was the Doctor:cool2:
Also way to take a Stance.
At this early stage of the day, I'm thinking we need to lynch either Nyxu or Tordeck IF (and only IF) we decide not to go the No Lynch route. I'm not saying I wouldn't consider lynching anyone else if someone can come up with a good case. I'm just saying that I think one of Tordeck or Nyxu is scum. Right now I'm leaning more towards Tordeck than Nyxu.
We've had no indications that there is a second killing role in the game, and if we DO have a 1-shot Vig or something,
I thought a lot about if I should draw attention to this or not.
But considering this game needs a Kick in the Pants I'm going to.
There IS a second Killing Role in this game. The Fact that Nyxu just happens to mention this after Last Night The Scum Found out there is one is suspicious as hell.
You know what’s really suspicious? You fabricating a quote from me- despite quoting this same post twice before. For reference:
We've had no indications that there is a second killing role in the game, and if we DO have a 1-shot Vig or something, I'd certainly hope they would be smart enough NOT to fire in a mylo situation if we decide to No Lynch.
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Mafia can easily hide in generic VT claims with little risk of being counterclaimed. And that's assuming they weren't provided with fake claims to begin with. But more importantly, the only "power" role revealed so far is a 1-shot Neighborizer. A mass claim is more likely to help Scum kill power roles than it is to help Town catch Scum.
Just my opinion though. If the group consensus is to mass claim, I'll go along with it.
Why do you assume that The Generic people are the VT?
What part of FoxFace is generic to You?
There’s a good number of generic tributes to hide behind as VT. Just because one named character is vanilla does not mean that all vanilla are named.
@Everyone There are three outcomes to this day under the assumption that my count is correct:
LYNCH SCUM: Scum NK, we move on to 3 Town, 1 Scum. MYLO continues.
LYNCH TOWN: Scum NK, 2 Town, 2 Scum. Scum Wins.
NO LYNCH: Scum NK, we move on to 3 Town, 2 Scum. LYLO.
This game is entirely in the hands of the Town. If we do not have absolute certainty of a correct lynch, we must not make it
This math looks good to me. Also I agree with the last part.
Re: massclaim: It really depends on the confidence of the lynch today. If we're ABSOLUTELY sure we're lynching scum, then it can wait a day. If not, we need to do it now to help with the elimination process.
Jesus Christ provide some ****ing Content for Once.
We have 6 people still alive and presumably 2 scum among them. What happens when we massclaim and reveal who Katniss, Peeta and Thresh are to the Mafia? Although I suspect Katniss may not actually be in the game since the Mod seems to be playing the part of Katniss in the day/night flavor posts. Still, we'll tell the Mafia who Peeta and Thresh are while the remaining Mafia hide among the 4 generic claims we'll almost certainly get.
I'm gonna keep my Name under my Hat because it's not needed info.
We may even be pushing Town to lie in order to protect their role. Something to think about. (Yes, I am assuming our power roles will be among the named characters and not among the generic roles. That's the norm that I've seen from past games with flavor that had a few well known roles. Those roles are almost always the power roles. But I admit that's a bit of modgaming on my part.)
So again why are you ignoring that FoxFace was a VT?
Why are you ignoring that Boy D8 was a VT? He’s saying that the squares are rectangles. You are arguing that he’s wrong because you have a rectangle that is not a square.
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Normally a massclaim would be fine at this stage, if we had all powerroles revealed, or we the remaining suspected power roles have lost their usefulness. Only flip we've had today is a 1shot friendly neighbor. From a logical perspective, there's at least one more out there, and we don't even know what categlory it falls under (Protective, Investigative, etc), though we can assume from n1 there could be a doc or a roleblocker, due to the fact that there was no kill. I'm not willing to reveal either of those just yet.
Gaming the setup is a bad idea. We can't say for sure that any of those people are power roles. We aren't even sure that they're being used in the setup.
That said, your point is essentially the same as mine, in that we don't want to reveal too much info to the scum at this time.
So, yea. No massclaim right now.
What a Load of non-scum hunting and attempting to skate under the Radar.
FOS:KJ
In Summary: Shalako is proclaiming that he and best buddy Tordeck are officially confirmed town because Tordeck miraculously did not die. He hinges this off of the argument that Megs died to a Vig shot and not a scum NK, that the Scum NK'd Tordeck twice and failed because of a protective role, and that he is this protective role. Shalako's testimony that he is the doctor and he saved Tordeck is circular logic . With no proof of either element, we cannot accept them. Tordeck is not confirmed town because Shalako is not confirmed Doctor. Shalako is not confirmed Doctor because Tordeck is not confirmed target of two NKs.
Why did you complain that Tordeck just won't die after I saved his ass for a Second Time?
No Kill or Protective.
Bad question. You haven't been CC'd yet. This does not mean you will not.
Because he has so very little invested in what is now his last game on this site. His posts are lacking in frequency and volume. His death provides a large amount of information and possibly a dead scum. That, and I'm tired of him.
Why did you factually misrep me in a quote?
Why do you believe your circular logic is valid?
How do you know the target of Scum vs the target of Vigilante?
Also, I am now, again, at L-2. My stance remains the same that if there is indication that a third person suspects me and demands/requests my claim I will claim it.
Shalako, Tordeck; neither of you have presented a good case against me. I welcome healthy suspicion but wasting time on fruitless attempts to mislynch doesn't bode well for anyone. For today at least, consider another suspect unless you can actually build a case.
Given your claim of doc and the assertion of there being a vig I suggest we go ahead with a mass claim; I doubt town pr #3 is going to be a bigger target to scum than a doctor if your claim is to be believed
Shalako, Tordeck; neither of you have presented a good case against me. I welcome healthy suspicion but wasting time on fruitless attempts to mislynch doesn't bode well for anyone. For today at least, consider another suspect unless you can actually build a case.
Given your claim of doc and the assertion of there being a vig I suggest we go ahead with a mass claim; I doubt town pr #3 is going to be a bigger target to scum than a doctor if your claim is to be believed
Well... you're trying to lynch an unCC'd doc for one. And you're trying to draw out any other PR that hasn't already claimed. And that's just in this post.
Given the lack of a nightkill N1, and no one claiming RBer or anything, Shal's claim is certainly to be beleived. No reason not to.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Well. this certainly throws a wrinkle into things. Shalako's claim, coming as it does in MyLo, isn't as believable as it would have been earlier.
I still think one of Nyxu or Tordeck is Scum. Shalako's claim could just as easily be a gambit to try to save Tordeck and win the game for Scum as it could be honest and trying to save Tordeck and win the game for Town.
The only thing I feel certain of is that... I'm not really certain of anything any more.
He was Protected Night One From The Night Kill and AGAIN on Night Four.
Perhaps. Or perhaps something else stopped the NK on Night 1 and you're just trying to use it for benefit of your claim now. I could easily see a gambit from Scum to no kill on Night 1 so they would have something convenient to use on a later date if they needed it. I'm not saying that's more likely than what you are claiming, but I am saying it is possible.
As for last night, I see no "proof" there is a second kill. I see nothing that proves you stopped a kill while a heretofore unknown second kill suddenly got used.
I did a PbPA of him a while back. My conclusion was that he was solidly Town early in the game, but then went awol for some reason and should have been replaced. Nothing he's done since has made me change any part of that analysis. I would certainly like to see more content from him, but I'm not sure how to go about "forcing" that since we're in a MyLo situation where we can't afford to pressure vote any more.
There IS a second Killing Role in this game. The Fact that Nyxu just happens to mention this after Last Night The Scum Found out there is one is suspicious as hell.
I'm willing at this point to say either Nyxu is Scum or both you AND Tordeck are. IF you are telling the truth, then it is a solid point against Nyxu. but I'm nowhere near convinced you are telling the truth and not pulling a gambit in MyLo to try to win for Scum.
Why do you assume that The Generic people are the VT?
Slight modgaming, but one I'm fully comfortable with. Peeta and Thresh are very likely in the game, and if they are, they are much more likely to be the power roles than they are to be Vanilla and some random tributes be the power roles.
Could I be wrong about that? Certainly. But it would be a first for me in all the heavy flavor based games I've ever seen.
We've had exactly ONE power role confirmed, Rue. We may have 2 more Town power roles, but I seriously doubt we have 3. If we have 2, then Peeta and Thresh are perfectly valid options. Foxface was likely Vanilla simply because there weren't enough Power roles for all of the named characters to get one. (I'm still ignoring Katniss as a role since the Mod seems to have taken the role of Katniss for his flavor posting.)
Yes, I know that's flavor gaming. So what?
I almost want to no kill to see what tomorrow brings, but if Shalako is actually correct, and there IS a second kill that only just became active, then no lynching today could see the game end overnight. I don't think we can afford to No Lynch on the hopes that either Shalako is lying, or that if he isn't, he'll target correctly again. We need to lynch someone.
The problem with that is, I'm still uncertain which side I believe more.
Shalako, Tordeck; neither of you have presented a good case against me. I welcome healthy suspicion but wasting time on fruitless attempts to mislynch doesn't bode well for anyone. For today at least, consider another suspect unless you can actually build a case.
Given your claim of doc and the assertion of there being a vig I suggest we go ahead with a mass claim; I doubt town pr #3 is going to be a bigger target to scum than a doctor if your claim is to be believed
Well... you're trying to lynch an unCC'd doc for one. And you're trying to draw out any other PR that hasn't already claimed. And that's just in this post.
Given the lack of a nightkill N1, and no one claiming RBer or anything, Shal's claim is certainly to be beleived. No reason not to.
So, claim now please.
Do you see a vote? An FoS? Misrep me more please. He's claimed doc and at the time nobody had been around to cc. His post is full of bad circular logic but the claim and reasonings behind it leave doubt. I can't be sure if he's scum or doc and playing bad that post. We cannot confirm people town without flips because that is how this game works. We can believe claims if evidence holds. There is no damning cc to lynch shalako on. Just bad logic.
Part of his claim is we have a vig or something. Claimed doc probably dies before claimed vig. Mass claim can't hurt us more than shalako claiming doc.
Basic setup AFAIK is 3 Town Power 1 Scum Power. We’ve lost one Town Power. I could be wrong.
And %95 that Scum Power Role is a What?
And what has there been no evidence of there being in this game at all?
You seem to have quite a bit of knowledge as to who was vig’d and who was Mafia Killed. How do we know that it wasn’t the other way around?
Because Megs would just be the worst NK ever. And Razor says that the guy who was so NK once is the likely NK again.
Because the plural of “you” is so much better in this case.
It's a classic Scum Entrenchment Technic.
You know what’s really suspicious? You fabricating a quote from me- despite quoting this same post twice before. For reference:
Yeah it was due to the new fangled Quote Nesting. I meant Ahly.
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How are you confirmed town?
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Why are you ignoring that Boy D8 was a VT? He’s saying that the squares are rectangles. You are arguing that he’s wrong because you have a rectangle that is not a square.[quote]
Do I need to point out how The Scientific Method works to you?
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No Kill or Protective.
No Kill Night One is ridiculousness.
Bad question. You haven't been CC'd yet. This does not mean you will not.
You didn't even consider asking for a CC because You knew I wouldn't be CC'd.
Why did you factually misrep me in a quote?
Mistake due to Nesting.
Why do you believe your circular logic is valid?
Why do I believe that the Man I protected TWICE from the Night Kill is Confirmed Town?
How do you know the target of Scum vs the target of Vigilante?
Shalako, Tordeck; neither of you have presented a good case against me. I welcome healthy suspicion but wasting time on fruitless attempts to mislynch doesn't bode well for anyone. For today at least, consider another suspect unless you can actually build a case.
Given your claim of doc and the assertion of there being a vig I suggest we go ahead with a mass claim; I doubt town pr #3 is going to be a bigger target to scum than a doctor if your claim is to be believed
Well... you're trying to lynch an unCC'd doc for one. And you're trying to draw out any other PR that hasn't already claimed. And that's just in this post.
Given the lack of a nightkill N1, and no one claiming RBer or anything, Shal's claim is certainly to be beleived. No reason not to.
So, claim now please.
Will you vote him now since he refused to claim like he said he would after your post?
Well. this certainly throws a wrinkle into things. Shalako's claim, coming as it does in MyLo, isn't as believable as it would have been earlier.
Why would I have outed myself earlier?
Why would I have outed myself if neither Tordeck or Myself were Under suspicion?
I still think one of Nyxu or Tordeck is Scum. Shalako's claim could just as easily be a gambit to try to save Tordeck and win the game for Scum as it could be honest and trying to save Tordeck and win the game for Town.
Why don't you ask for a CC list instead of slinging mud on the Two Confirmed Towns?
Perhaps. Or perhaps something else stopped the NK on Night 1 and you're just trying to use it for benefit of your claim now.
What.
What could have stopped the NK on Night One besides the Town Doctor.
I could easily see a gambit from Scum to no kill on Night 1 so they would have something convenient to use on a later date if they needed it. I'm not saying that's more likely than what you are claiming, but I am saying it is possible.
That's incredibly more unlikely then the Doctor Protecting.
As for last night, I see no "proof" there is a second kill. I see nothing that proves you stopped a kill while a heretofore unknown second kill suddenly got used.
Well, you are going to look dumb when the Vig shows up later.
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I'm willing at this point to say either Nyxu is Scum or both you AND Tordeck are. IF you are telling the truth, then it is a solid point against Nyxu. but I'm nowhere near convinced you are telling the truth and not pulling a gambit in MyLo to try to win for Scum.
UNCOUNTER CLAIMED DOCTOR
WHO STOPPED TWO KILLS
BUT WHATEVER
Slight modgaming, but one I'm fully comfortable with. Peeta and Thresh are very likely in the game, and if they are, they are much more likely to be the power roles than they are to be Vanilla and some random tributes be the power roles.
Nothing. What part of Rue was generic to you?
That's not how this works.
You have a Theory. Due to the Facts that have come to light it has been disproved.
Therefor the Theory must be abandoned.
The problem with that is, I'm still uncertain which side I believe more.
It's amazing the lengths you've gone to cast doubt on Tordeck and Myself.
Do you see a vote? An FoS? Misrep me more please. He's claimed doc and at the time nobody had been around to cc. His post is full of bad circular logic but the claim and reasonings behind it leave doubt. I can't be sure if he's scum or doc and playing bad that post. We cannot confirm people town without flips because that is how this game works. We can believe claims if evidence holds. There is no damning cc to lynch shalako on. Just bad logic.
Part of his claim is we have a vig or something. Claimed doc probably dies before claimed vig. Mass claim can't hurt us more than shalako claiming doc.
Doctor.
Protected Target from NK.
Bad Circular logic.
Bluh, My apologies KJ and Shalako. I didn't see the last line.
I am Katniss goddamn Everdeen and I wanted Tordeck dead because I was tired of dealing with him. I am a ONE SHOT VIGILANTE, meaning I am now Vanilla town. I'll compile the loaf of bread momentarily.
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Will you vote him now since he refused to claim like he said he would after your post?
I'm more than willing to do it now. Especially after his claim. Amusing how he used his supposed one shot on the night that you protected him, I think.
Unvote, Vote Nyxu
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Do you see a vote? An FoS? Misrep me more please. He's claimed doc and at the time nobody had been around to cc. His post is full of bad circular logic but the claim and reasonings behind it leave doubt. I can't be sure if he's scum or doc and playing bad that post. We cannot confirm people town without flips because that is how this game works. We can believe claims if evidence holds. There is no damning cc to lynch shalako on. Just bad logic.
Part of his claim is we have a vig or something. Claimed doc probably dies before claimed vig. Mass claim can't hurt us more than shalako claiming doc.
Pushing someone hard is essentially the same as voting them. Just because the syntax is different, the idea behind it is the same. You suspect him and want him lynched.
That said, I do not believe your claim. Shalako has proven himself twice now, and you still try to cast doubt on him.
Fletched.
WHO SAYS FLETCHED? It's the worst damn pun I've ever used and I feel bad for using it but archery puns go.
Yes, this does mean that we DO have a confirmed protective role.
Yes this DOES give credence to Shalako/Tordeck
It looks more like a typo or game-flavor based pun instead of a breadcumb to me. IDK what everyone else thinks about that though.
How quickly you've changed your mind. I still don't believe your claim.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Okay Shalako, I apologize... to a degree. You claiming Thresh though actually SUPPORTS my argument regarding the power roles belonging to the named characters and not the generic tributes.
That said, I'm going to skip responding to your whole post due to Nyxu claiming a completely unbelievable role.
1) I don't believe Katniss is in the game. Look at all of the flavor posts from the mod. They are all done as if Katniss is writing/saying them. I find it very hard to believe the Mod and Nyxu are BOTH playing the role of Katniss!
2) If Nyxu were telling the truth, then he would have known that there was a protective role in the game and would have accepted Shalako's claim from the start. Instead, he came out attacking him (see the end of Post #754 for the most damning part.)
I'm going to vote Nyxu, but I'd like to see a votecount and deadline first.
Okay Shalako, I apologize... to a degree. You claiming Thresh though actually SUPPORTS my argument regarding the power roles belonging to the named characters and not the generic tributes.
That said, I'm going to skip responding to your whole post due to Nyxu claiming a completely unbelievable role.
1) I don't believe Katniss is in the game. Look at all of the flavor posts from the mod. They are all done as if Katniss is writing/saying them. I find it very hard to believe the Mod and Nyxu are BOTH playing the role of Katniss!
2) If Nyxu were telling the truth, then he would have known that there was a protective role in the game and would have accepted Shalako's claim from the start. Instead, he came out attacking him (see the end of Post #754 for the most damning part.)
I'm going to vote Nyxu, but I'd like to see a votecount and deadline first.
The flavor I got was that I was knocked out before I could fire. my gut said role block. Shalako made posts claiming to be confirmed town because of information only he had, which is bad. I pushed for mass claim after he claimed doc because I knew with certainty that the other town p r is me and that I fired my one arrow. Now that shalako has gone unccd and explained some of the other glaring issues I'll believe him.
I agree that it is a little off that the mod is narrating through one of the roles in play but that kind of flavor gaming is bad. Basic 66 had a very similar if not identical narration by one of the roles.
Now. If we are going to be silly and flavor game, then I'll flavor game
Thresh protects by knocking out the killer before they deathblow, protecting them for the night
Katniss has her bow and that's an obvious kill method. In this case one arrow means one shot.
Peeta, the other assumed name that could have power was known for camouflage. He arguably could dress wounds but shalakos claim and my flavor for last knight suggest it was thresh. I didn't read the books but I'm fairly certain peeta had a kill count of 0 in the 74th games
I didn't read the books but I'm fairly certain peeta had a kill count of 0 in the 74th games
In the book Foxface died from eating the nightlock berries Peeta had unwittingly picked. Technically the kill is credited to Peeta even though he didn't actively try to kill Foxface.
Of course that means nothing here since Foxface didn't die from nightlock in the slightest.
As for named characters = PRs:
Foxface technically isn't a named character. In the book Katniss called her Foxface because her face, well, looked like a fox. Her real name is never given and she is the only tribute in the first book to have a nickname.
I'm actually thinking Ahlyis' theory might be correct.
Also, absolute certainty was not attained. Ahylis just decided that because nobody was talking nobody had anything to say. My responses to Shalako were not even considered, let alone the fact that his logic was not sound.
You know what would have gotten us absolute certainty? I claimed -power-. This is something in limited quantity, and had the rest of Town decided to actually heed the warnings that are MISLYNCH AND LOSE, it would have been a simple matter to wait for the damning counter-claim that the town WOULD HAVE HAD if I was lying. You all decide that Shalako's completely unconfirmable (without my claim of Vig) doc is believable without needing to check for a CC but my claim that coincides with Shalako's claim got me lynched.
Katniss was so excited, she could barely think straight. She began to run without paying attention to which direction she was running in. Her feet led her toward the stream flowing through the arena, stumbling and tripping in her haste. What was wrong with her? She was fully aware that she was putting herself in mortal danger by rushing headlong into the unknown. And yet something propelled her. Something stronger than the fear of death. Love.
By the time Katniss found traces of blood, she was winded and vulnerable. The thought crossed her mind that the blood may belong to Peeta, which terrified her. She was so distracted that she didn't notice Marvel sneaking up behind her until the spear pierced her side. She dived away moments before the second spear would have brained her. Reaching instinctively for an arrow to nock, her fingers grasped thin air. Cato charged her, knocking the wind out of her with his massive frame. Raising her bow defensively, she deflected his sword, which merely scratched her face rather than landing a mortal blow. With his free hand, Cato wrenched her bow from her hands. Flipping onto her stomach, Katniss tried to crawl away, but Cato threw away his sword and pulled her own bow over her head and began to strangle her. As she choked, tears filled her eyes, overflowing and mixing with the blood from her wound. Despite the cold metal at her throat, she forced out one last word.
"Prim..."
Throughout all of Panem, there was silence as the Girl on Fire died.
Nyxu has been lynched.
He was Katniss Everdeen, Girl D12 (Town One-Shot Vigilante).
It is now Night Five.
Night Five will end no later than 11:59PM EST, Friday, November 9th.
Please send in Night actions as soon as possible and inform me if you have an optional Night action you do not wish to take.
Dawn broke over the arena for the last time. The girl from District 4 screamed as her throat was slashed by Cato's sword. Meanwhile, Thresh was trapped. He had heard the yells of the boy from District 3 overNight, but from under the Careers' weighted net, he was helpless to act. He knew it was only a matter of time before they came for him, too. He would not beg for his life. He wouldn't even try to run. He would fight until his last breath. And then, once the battered and bloody Careers ran their blades through him for the final time, he would pass on from this world. But he was not afraid. Rue was waiting on the other side.
"Well, Cato, that was quite a show! Was it hard for you to betray your ally Marvel in the final moments?"
"Are you kidding? As my mentor told me, 'The weak are meat, the strong do eat.' I was born hungry."
"How eloquent! Ladies and gentlemen, the ruthless beast from District 2. This year's victor of the 74th annual Hunger-"
Shutting off the decrepit television set, Gale walked out of the Hob. He wiped his eyes with his sleeve, finally allowing himself to mourn Katniss after days of stoic silence. In time, his sorrow would fuel his rage. And his rage would fuel a revolution. After all, he had heard rumors from District 13. Rumors of survivors. Weapons. Hope.
Nis, Shalako, and Tordeck have been killed in the endgame.
Nis was Boy D3 (Town Vanilla).
Shalako was Thresh, Boy D11 (Town Doctor).
Tordeck was Girl D4 (Town Vanilla).
Ahlyis was Cato, Boy D2 (Mafia Goon).
kill-joy was Marvel, Boy D1 (Mafia Goon).
Congratulations to the mafia for their victory!
Town MVP: Megiddo. The town play in this game was never stellar, but Megiddo was one of the most active townies and didn't make any particularly poor decisions in his scum-hunting. He was also one of the only players to ever suspect Ahlyis. I give Shinen some credit for protecting Tordeck from the mafia NK N1, but he didn't do anything else before needing to be replaced.
Mafia MVP: Ahlyis. Megiddo was suspicious of him at one point (and I think someone else was but I can't remember who off the top of my head), but other than that, Ahlyis was widely considered to be town. He also led the mafia chat and his team in general quite well. There are comments in the spectator forum regarding Ahlyis not taking a firm stance on issues, but at the end of the day, Ahlyis did exactly what he needed to win the game. It may not have been enough in a game with a more active town, but it was enough here.
I want to thank everyone for sticking with the game, and extend special thanks to all of the replacements!
Yeah, gotta say, Ahlyis was good. I was definitely suspicious of him, but I never let it turn into a case and mostly just thought he was being annoying. Of course, now I know what to look out for...
Ah, now that I think of it, I did make that "people we should look out for" post at one point.
I don't want to start pointing fingers, since my own play was not great (I didn't have time, and the deadline the day we no-lynched caught me by surprise), but I was just flabbergasted by the Nyxu lynch.
Ed: I also have to wonder how much of my prodding of Atogaholic was actually useful for the town or whether I was just piling irrelevant stuff into the thread. I wasn't making any of it up; the arguments were legitimate, but because of their nature (a private forum), I was basically just asking people to take me at my word.
ed2: I'd also also like to extend the customary "comments on my play" question. Shalako had a lot to say about how scummy I was, so I clearly was raising some alarm bells there...
Killjoy had me worried for a bit. I was really afraid I was going to have to build a case against him and string him up the way I did Atog. But when I did the PbPA on him, I did it as honestly and unbiased as I could. I really tried to pretend I was Town for all three of the PbPA's I did. To my surprise, KJ's early play was really good and his later play smacked of absenteeism rather than scummy lurking.
Meg had me annoyed most of the game. I probably should have listened and let us kill him Night 1 instead of changing my mind and pushing for Tordeck. Then again, had we done that, the whole game would've been different and who knows how it would have turned out.
Up until Shalako claimed, I was worried Tordeck was bulletproof rather than Doc protected on N1. The odds seemed to favor that as the Doc protection needed not just for us to pick Tordeck, but the Doc to pick him too. Bulletproof only needed one piece of misfortune instead of two.
Shalako, I would like to know why you think Meg was a stupid/bad kill for us? You came out firing that Tordeck was the obvious Mafia NK (which you prevented) and Meg had to have been a Vig kill. Why?
As a final note, I had a chance to hammer Nyxu for the likely win in MyLo, but I've seen enough Scum teams lose a game they had won because they jumped the gun and started gloating too early. So I called for a vote count and delayed my vote just as a good Townie should do. And I did it just in case there was some unknown factor that could still stop us.
I almost fell out of my chair when I saw Nyxu's post calling us idiots. Sorry Nyxu, but I think you were absolutely the lynch I wanted to see.
On other note. Ahy, until you voted I wasn't too suspicious. But the second you put me to l minus 1 there I wanted to gun for you. Too little too late because tordeck dropped hammer before I read the post. Great play out of you. You earned the MVP
On other note. Ahy, until you voted I wasn't too suspicious. But the second you put me to l minus 1 there I wanted to gun for you. Too little too late because tordeck dropped hammer before I read the post. Great play out of you. You earned the MVP
Thanks.
I think one of the things that helped doom you was Shalako's conviction that Meg was a Vig kill and the attempt on Tordeck was a Scum attempt. I don't think he ever re-thought that position once you claimed. Had he stopped and thought about it, he might have realized he was being too narrow minded.
If that had happened, I was prepared to claim Peeta with an ability I didn't want to divulge. If that hadn't been enough to seal your fate (along with the fact you claimed Katniss while the Mod was using Katniss' perspective for his flavor posts), then I would've claimed something like a bomb where if I am NK'd, I also kill the person that attacked me, and that's why I didn't want to reveal the ability but felt the need to to prevent the Town from mislynching.
To be honest though, as soon as you claimed 1-shot Vig, Town should immediately have gone for a No Lynch. But nobody except me apparently considered that and I wasn't about to suggest it.
Which was the frustrating bit by far. I was lynched by absence being confused for compliance or confirmation. It was entirely too easy for you to convince the town that nobody who had yet to speak on it would. Your endgame was a massive scum slip and tordeck fell obliviously past it in what I can only assume wa apathy for the outcome given how good a player he claimed to be. You had not moments before agreed with my statement that we needed absolute certainty but in voting proclaimed that it had been attained with questions yet unanswered
Which was the frustrating bit by far. I was lynched by absence being confused for compliance or confirmation. It was entirely too easy for you to convince the town that nobody who had yet to speak on it would. Your endgame was a massive scum slip and tordeck fell obliviously past it in what I can only assume wa apathy for the outcome given how good a player he claimed to be. You had not moments before agreed with my statement that we needed absolute certainty but in voting proclaimed that it had been attained with questions yet unanswered
That's not how things went down at all. My vote for you came after more than 24 hours without a single post from ANYONE. And the days prior to that didn't exactly see a plethora of posts either.
But whatever. You need to stop blaming me. If you feel a need to blame someone, try your fellow Townies. KJ and I couldn't have lynched you without their help. Also, I find your claims that I made a huge scumslip and that you knew I was scum to be wishful thinking. NONE of your posts prior to the end game revealing my actual alignment have you calling me scum. As I said to start this paragraph though, whatever.
I agree though, that the mod posting as the flavor character of an existing town player unduly weakens a claim
The issue was that the Hunger Games trilogy was written from Katniss's perspective, and her role was perfect for a Basic, so I would have felt remiss to exclude her. FWIW, I had planned from the start to write her death into the flavor scenes as necessary.
I had assumed that the power role claims would be taken somewhat for granted, so I was surprised that no one believed you. (Reverse-)gaming the mod FTL, I suppose.
Which was the frustrating bit by far. I was lynched by absence being confused for compliance or confirmation. It was entirely too easy for you to convince the town that nobody who had yet to speak on it would. Your endgame was a massive scum slip and tordeck fell obliviously past it in what I can only assume wa apathy for the outcome given how good a player he claimed to be. You had not moments before agreed with my statement that we needed absolute certainty but in voting proclaimed that it had been attained with questions yet unanswered
That's not how things went down at all. My vote for you came after more than 24 hours without a single post from ANYONE. And the days prior to that didn't exactly see a plethora of posts either.
But whatever. You need to stop blaming me. If you feel a need to blame someone, try your fellow Townies. KJ and I couldn't have lynched you without their help. Also, I find your claims that I made a huge scumslip and that you knew I was scum to be wishful thinking. NONE of your posts prior to the end game revealing my actual alignment have you calling me scum. As I said to start this paragraph though, whatever.
You misread me on multiple angles. I don't blame you for getting my lynch. I blame the town for getting me lynched. I blame the town for playing so godawfully slowly that my words fell on deaf ears. And it wasn't until the endgame that you slipped. By the time I'd read your post I was lynched and I -did- have suspicion of you at the close before the Day ended but not before that. You factually went back on your own posts to vote me, that was your slip. Do I really need to go back and quote the posts for you?
You won despite this because of both abysmal play from other town and exemplary play on your part before hand. Enjoy your well-earned victory and MVP, but don't sit there and claim that you had winning plays for any outcome- that's just hubris.
Hindsight 20-20, AI, it might've done just as well with Thresh as vig (brute force) and Peeta as a protective of some sort (Camouflaging someone so they're unfindable by careers.). One of the worst drawbacks of flavor is the flavorgaming, and I genuinely don't think Katniss being both a role and a narrator was a game-changing issue, just a minor nitpick after-the-fact.
Hindsight 20-20, AI, it might've done just as well with Thresh as vig (brute force) and Peeta as a protective of some sort (Camouflaging someone so they're unfindable by careers.). One of the worst drawbacks of flavor is the flavorgaming, and I genuinely don't think Katniss being both a role and a narrator was a game-changing issue, just a minor nitpick after-the-fact.
I ended up giving Peeta as a false-claim to the mafia.
Thanks for the feedback; I'll keep your input in mind when designing my next game.
Shalako has received a prod (his second).
Don't throw out blind votes Bro.
Because Tordeck is Confirmed TOWN
He was Protected Night One From The Night Kill and AGAIN on Night Four.
Please explain how you came to the conclusion that there are 3 Living Power Roles and One of Them is Scum?
He was so Scummy he was Vig'd. That's my response to his flip.
"We" "We"
Tordeck is Confirmed Town.
I breadcrumbed this in here:
Arithmetic Mafia game was a Game I knew Tordeck was not In.
I was the Doctor:cool2:
Also way to take a Stance.
Nope.
What do you think of KillJoy?
I thought a lot about if I should draw attention to this or not.
But considering this game needs a Kick in the Pants I'm going to.
There IS a second Killing Role in this game. The Fact that Nyxu just happens to mention this after Last Night The Scum Found out there is one is suspicious as hell.
Why do you assume that The Generic people are the VT?
What part of FoxFace is generic to You?
Jesus Christ provide some ****ing Content for Once.
Yeah I'm confirmed Town And that wasn't a Slip.
To bad you don't care enough to read and are instead are pushing for whatever Lynch you can get.
Did you not read Tordeck's posts at the end of the Last Day?
Of course I have SUSPECTS.
Jesus what a ridiculous question... Sorry That was a Bit Harsh.
Yes I have a Town/Scum list. I haven't provided one this game for obvious reasons.
Already been over the First part.
Nis doesn't have a Case. He's flailing for anything he can get.
I'm gonna keep my Name under my Hat because it's not needed info.
So again why are you ignoring that FoxFace was a VT?
What a Load of non-scum hunting and attempting to skate under the Radar.
FOS:KJ
[Mafia Stats] Mafia MVP: 1/3 Basic #29,Co-[CCMV]
Didn’t realize we had a claimed doc.
Basic setup AFAIK is 3 Town Power 1 Scum Power. We’ve lost one Town Power. I could be wrong.
You seem to have quite a bit of knowledge as to who was vig’d and who was Mafia Killed. How do we know that it wasn’t the other way around?
Because the plural of “you” is so much better in this case.
You know what’s really suspicious? You fabricating a quote from me- despite quoting this same post twice before. For reference:
There’s a good number of generic tributes to hide behind as VT. Just because one named character is vanilla does not mean that all vanilla are named.
How are you confirmed town? Why are you ignoring that Boy D8 was a VT? He’s saying that the squares are rectangles. You are arguing that he’s wrong because you have a rectangle that is not a square.
In Summary: Shalako is proclaiming that he and best buddy Tordeck are officially confirmed town because Tordeck miraculously did not die. He hinges this off of the argument that Megs died to a Vig shot and not a scum NK, that the Scum NK'd Tordeck twice and failed because of a protective role, and that he is this protective role. Shalako's testimony that he is the doctor and he saved Tordeck is circular logic . With no proof of either element, we cannot accept them. Tordeck is not confirmed town because Shalako is not confirmed Doctor. Shalako is not confirmed Doctor because Tordeck is not confirmed target of two NKs.
[Mafia Stats] Mafia MVP: 1/3 Basic #29,Co-[CCMV]
Becaaaauuuse?
Why am I not going to be counterclaimed?
Why did you complain that Tordeck just won't die after I saved his ass for a Second Time?
[Mafia Stats] Mafia MVP: 1/3 Basic #29,Co-[CCMV]
No Kill or Protective.
Bad question. You haven't been CC'd yet. This does not mean you will not.
Because he has so very little invested in what is now his last game on this site. His posts are lacking in frequency and volume. His death provides a large amount of information and possibly a dead scum. That, and I'm tired of him.
Why did you factually misrep me in a quote?
Why do you believe your circular logic is valid?
How do you know the target of Scum vs the target of Vigilante?
Given your claim of doc and the assertion of there being a vig I suggest we go ahead with a mass claim; I doubt town pr #3 is going to be a bigger target to scum than a doctor if your claim is to be believed
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Well... you're trying to lynch an unCC'd doc for one. And you're trying to draw out any other PR that hasn't already claimed. And that's just in this post.
Given the lack of a nightkill N1, and no one claiming RBer or anything, Shal's claim is certainly to be beleived. No reason not to.
So, claim now please.
I still think one of Nyxu or Tordeck is Scum. Shalako's claim could just as easily be a gambit to try to save Tordeck and win the game for Scum as it could be honest and trying to save Tordeck and win the game for Town.
The only thing I feel certain of is that... I'm not really certain of anything any more.
Perhaps. Or perhaps something else stopped the NK on Night 1 and you're just trying to use it for benefit of your claim now. I could easily see a gambit from Scum to no kill on Night 1 so they would have something convenient to use on a later date if they needed it. I'm not saying that's more likely than what you are claiming, but I am saying it is possible.
As for last night, I see no "proof" there is a second kill. I see nothing that proves you stopped a kill while a heretofore unknown second kill suddenly got used.
I did a PbPA of him a while back. My conclusion was that he was solidly Town early in the game, but then went awol for some reason and should have been replaced. Nothing he's done since has made me change any part of that analysis. I would certainly like to see more content from him, but I'm not sure how to go about "forcing" that since we're in a MyLo situation where we can't afford to pressure vote any more.
I'm willing at this point to say either Nyxu is Scum or both you AND Tordeck are. IF you are telling the truth, then it is a solid point against Nyxu. but I'm nowhere near convinced you are telling the truth and not pulling a gambit in MyLo to try to win for Scum.
Slight modgaming, but one I'm fully comfortable with. Peeta and Thresh are very likely in the game, and if they are, they are much more likely to be the power roles than they are to be Vanilla and some random tributes be the power roles.
Could I be wrong about that? Certainly. But it would be a first for me in all the heavy flavor based games I've ever seen.
Nothing. What part of Rue was generic to you?
We've had exactly ONE power role confirmed, Rue. We may have 2 more Town power roles, but I seriously doubt we have 3. If we have 2, then Peeta and Thresh are perfectly valid options. Foxface was likely Vanilla simply because there weren't enough Power roles for all of the named characters to get one. (I'm still ignoring Katniss as a role since the Mod seems to have taken the role of Katniss for his flavor posting.)
Yes, I know that's flavor gaming. So what?
I almost want to no kill to see what tomorrow brings, but if Shalako is actually correct, and there IS a second kill that only just became active, then no lynching today could see the game end overnight. I don't think we can afford to No Lynch on the hopes that either Shalako is lying, or that if he isn't, he'll target correctly again. We need to lynch someone.
The problem with that is, I'm still uncertain which side I believe more.
Do you see a vote? An FoS? Misrep me more please. He's claimed doc and at the time nobody had been around to cc. His post is full of bad circular logic but the claim and reasonings behind it leave doubt. I can't be sure if he's scum or doc and playing bad that post. We cannot confirm people town without flips because that is how this game works. We can believe claims if evidence holds. There is no damning cc to lynch shalako on. Just bad logic.
Part of his claim is we have a vig or something. Claimed doc probably dies before claimed vig. Mass claim can't hurt us more than shalako claiming doc.
And %95 that Scum Power Role is a What?
And what has there been no evidence of there being in this game at all?
Because Megs would just be the worst NK ever. And Razor says that the guy who was so NK once is the likely NK again.
It's a classic Scum Entrenchment Technic.
Yeah it was due to the new fangled Quote Nesting. I meant Ahly.
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No Kill Night One is ridiculousness.
You didn't even consider asking for a CC because You knew I wouldn't be CC'd.
Mistake due to Nesting.
Why do I believe that the Man I protected TWICE from the Night Kill is Confirmed Town?
I'll answer this question at a later time.
Don't try and flail onto another wagon.
Belated Well Wishes for Tordeck
Will you vote him now since he refused to claim like he said he would after your post?
Why would I have outed myself earlier?
Why would I have outed myself if neither Tordeck or Myself were Under suspicion?
Why don't you ask for a CC list instead of slinging mud on the Two Confirmed Towns?
What.
What could have stopped the NK on Night One besides the Town Doctor.
That's incredibly more unlikely then the Doctor Protecting.
Well, you are going to look dumb when the Vig shows up later.
UNCOUNTER CLAIMED DOCTOR
WHO STOPPED TWO KILLS
BUT WHATEVER
That's not how this works.
You have a Theory. Due to the Facts that have come to light it has been disproved.
Therefor the Theory must be abandoned.
It's amazing the lengths you've gone to cast doubt on Tordeck and Myself.
Doctor.
Protected Target from NK.
Bad Circular logic.
Stop stalling and Claim like KJ asked you.
[Mafia Stats] Mafia MVP: 1/3 Basic #29,Co-[CCMV]
I am Katniss goddamn Everdeen and I wanted Tordeck dead because I was tired of dealing with him. I am a ONE SHOT VIGILANTE, meaning I am now Vanilla town. I'll compile the loaf of bread momentarily.
Fletched.
WHO SAYS FLETCHED? It's the worst damn pun I've ever used and I feel bad for using it but archery puns go.
Yes, this does mean that we DO have a confirmed protective role.
Yes this DOES give credence to Shalako/Tordeck
Pushing someone hard is essentially the same as voting them. Just because the syntax is different, the idea behind it is the same. You suspect him and want him lynched.
That said, I do not believe your claim. Shalako has proven himself twice now, and you still try to cast doubt on him.
It looks more like a typo or game-flavor based pun instead of a breadcumb to me. IDK what everyone else thinks about that though.
How quickly you've changed your mind. I still don't believe your claim.
Okay Shalako, I apologize... to a degree. You claiming Thresh though actually SUPPORTS my argument regarding the power roles belonging to the named characters and not the generic tributes.
That said, I'm going to skip responding to your whole post due to Nyxu claiming a completely unbelievable role.
1) I don't believe Katniss is in the game. Look at all of the flavor posts from the mod. They are all done as if Katniss is writing/saying them. I find it very hard to believe the Mod and Nyxu are BOTH playing the role of Katniss!
2) If Nyxu were telling the truth, then he would have known that there was a protective role in the game and would have accepted Shalako's claim from the start. Instead, he came out attacking him (see the end of Post #754 for the most damning part.)
I'm going to vote Nyxu, but I'd like to see a votecount and deadline first.
bad K-j putting someone to l-1 in mylol
The Family
Nxyu (2): Shalako, kill-joy
Shalako (1): Nis
Not Voting (3): Ahlyis, Nxyu, Tordeck
With 6 alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch.
Day Five will end no later than 11:59PM EST, Sunday, November 11th.
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The first rule of Cursecatcher is, You do not talk about Cursecatcher.
The flavor I got was that I was knocked out before I could fire. my gut said role block. Shalako made posts claiming to be confirmed town because of information only he had, which is bad. I pushed for mass claim after he claimed doc because I knew with certainty that the other town p r is me and that I fired my one arrow. Now that shalako has gone unccd and explained some of the other glaring issues I'll believe him.
I agree that it is a little off that the mod is narrating through one of the roles in play but that kind of flavor gaming is bad. Basic 66 had a very similar if not identical narration by one of the roles.
moar flavor hints. Forgot about this one. Katniss had a cat that she consistently threatened to cook whenever it misbehaved.
Thresh protects by knocking out the killer before they deathblow, protecting them for the night
Katniss has her bow and that's an obvious kill method. In this case one arrow means one shot.
Peeta, the other assumed name that could have power was known for camouflage. He arguably could dress wounds but shalakos claim and my flavor for last knight suggest it was thresh. I didn't read the books but I'm fairly certain peeta had a kill count of 0 in the 74th games
In the book Foxface died from eating the nightlock berries Peeta had unwittingly picked. Technically the kill is credited to Peeta even though he didn't actively try to kill Foxface.
Of course that means nothing here since Foxface didn't die from nightlock in the slightest.
As for named characters = PRs:
Foxface technically isn't a named character. In the book Katniss called her Foxface because her face, well, looked like a fox. Her real name is never given and she is the only tribute in the first book to have a nickname.
I'm actually thinking Ahlyis' theory might be correct.
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Vote: Nyxu
That puts him back to L-1.
vote nxyu
The Family
Anything you want us to focus on if you are Town and this doesn't end the game?
Any wifom you want to spew if we're right and you are Scum?
Warning issued for flaming.
- atlseal
Note that nobody bothered to let shalako address that OH HEY I KNOW HIS DOCTOR FLAVOR
You know what would have gotten us absolute certainty? I claimed -power-. This is something in limited quantity, and had the rest of Town decided to actually heed the warnings that are MISLYNCH AND LOSE, it would have been a simple matter to wait for the damning counter-claim that the town WOULD HAVE HAD if I was lying. You all decide that Shalako's completely unconfirmable (without my claim of Vig) doc is believable without needing to check for a CC but my claim that coincides with Shalako's claim got me lynched.
Day Five Final Vote Count
Nxyu (4): Shalako, kill-joy, Ahlyis, Tordeck
Not Voting (2): Nis, Nxyu
Katniss was so excited, she could barely think straight. She began to run without paying attention to which direction she was running in. Her feet led her toward the stream flowing through the arena, stumbling and tripping in her haste. What was wrong with her? She was fully aware that she was putting herself in mortal danger by rushing headlong into the unknown. And yet something propelled her. Something stronger than the fear of death. Love.
By the time Katniss found traces of blood, she was winded and vulnerable. The thought crossed her mind that the blood may belong to Peeta, which terrified her. She was so distracted that she didn't notice Marvel sneaking up behind her until the spear pierced her side. She dived away moments before the second spear would have brained her. Reaching instinctively for an arrow to nock, her fingers grasped thin air. Cato charged her, knocking the wind out of her with his massive frame. Raising her bow defensively, she deflected his sword, which merely scratched her face rather than landing a mortal blow. With his free hand, Cato wrenched her bow from her hands. Flipping onto her stomach, Katniss tried to crawl away, but Cato threw away his sword and pulled her own bow over her head and began to strangle her. As she choked, tears filled her eyes, overflowing and mixing with the blood from her wound. Despite the cold metal at her throat, she forced out one last word.
"Prim..."
Throughout all of Panem, there was silence as the Girl on Fire died.
Nyxu has been lynched.
He was Katniss Everdeen, Girl D12 (Town One-Shot Vigilante).
It is now Night Five.
Night Five will end no later than 11:59PM EST, Friday, November 9th.
Please send in Night actions as soon as possible and inform me if you have an optional Night action you do not wish to take.
I will seek a replacement as necessary at the start of Day Six.
Dawn broke over the arena for the last time. The girl from District 4 screamed as her throat was slashed by Cato's sword. Meanwhile, Thresh was trapped. He had heard the yells of the boy from District 3 overNight, but from under the Careers' weighted net, he was helpless to act. He knew it was only a matter of time before they came for him, too. He would not beg for his life. He wouldn't even try to run. He would fight until his last breath. And then, once the battered and bloody Careers ran their blades through him for the final time, he would pass on from this world. But he was not afraid. Rue was waiting on the other side.
"Well, Cato, that was quite a show! Was it hard for you to betray your ally Marvel in the final moments?"
"Are you kidding? As my mentor told me, 'The weak are meat, the strong do eat.' I was born hungry."
"How eloquent! Ladies and gentlemen, the ruthless beast from District 2. This year's victor of the 74th annual Hunger-"
Shutting off the decrepit television set, Gale walked out of the Hob. He wiped his eyes with his sleeve, finally allowing himself to mourn Katniss after days of stoic silence. In time, his sorrow would fuel his rage. And his rage would fuel a revolution. After all, he had heard rumors from District 13. Rumors of survivors. Weapons. Hope.
Nis, Shalako, and Tordeck have been killed in the endgame.
Nis was Boy D3 (Town Vanilla).
Shalako was Thresh, Boy D11 (Town Doctor).
Tordeck was Girl D4 (Town Vanilla).
Ahlyis was Cato, Boy D2 (Mafia Goon).
kill-joy was Marvel, Boy D1 (Mafia Goon).
Congratulations to the mafia for their victory!
Town MVP: Megiddo. The town play in this game was never stellar, but Megiddo was one of the most active townies and didn't make any particularly poor decisions in his scum-hunting. He was also one of the only players to ever suspect Ahlyis. I give Shinen some credit for protecting Tordeck from the mafia NK N1, but he didn't do anything else before needing to be replaced.
Mafia MVP: Ahlyis. Megiddo was suspicious of him at one point (and I think someone else was but I can't remember who off the top of my head), but other than that, Ahlyis was widely considered to be town. He also led the mafia chat and his team in general quite well. There are comments in the spectator forum regarding Ahlyis not taking a firm stance on issues, but at the end of the day, Ahlyis did exactly what he needed to win the game. It may not have been enough in a game with a more active town, but it was enough here.
I want to thank everyone for sticking with the game, and extend special thanks to all of the replacements!
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Ah, now that I think of it, I did make that "people we should look out for" post at one point.
I don't want to start pointing fingers, since my own play was not great (I didn't have time, and the deadline the day we no-lynched caught me by surprise), but I was just flabbergasted by the Nyxu lynch.
Ed: I also have to wonder how much of my prodding of Atogaholic was actually useful for the town or whether I was just piling irrelevant stuff into the thread. I wasn't making any of it up; the arguments were legitimate, but because of their nature (a private forum), I was basically just asking people to take me at my word.
ed2: I'd also also like to extend the customary "comments on my play" question. Shalako had a lot to say about how scummy I was, so I clearly was raising some alarm bells there...
Killjoy had me worried for a bit. I was really afraid I was going to have to build a case against him and string him up the way I did Atog. But when I did the PbPA on him, I did it as honestly and unbiased as I could. I really tried to pretend I was Town for all three of the PbPA's I did. To my surprise, KJ's early play was really good and his later play smacked of absenteeism rather than scummy lurking.
Meg had me annoyed most of the game. I probably should have listened and let us kill him Night 1 instead of changing my mind and pushing for Tordeck. Then again, had we done that, the whole game would've been different and who knows how it would have turned out.
Up until Shalako claimed, I was worried Tordeck was bulletproof rather than Doc protected on N1. The odds seemed to favor that as the Doc protection needed not just for us to pick Tordeck, but the Doc to pick him too. Bulletproof only needed one piece of misfortune instead of two.
Shalako, I would like to know why you think Meg was a stupid/bad kill for us? You came out firing that Tordeck was the obvious Mafia NK (which you prevented) and Meg had to have been a Vig kill. Why?
As a final note, I had a chance to hammer Nyxu for the likely win in MyLo, but I've seen enough Scum teams lose a game they had won because they jumped the gun and started gloating too early. So I called for a vote count and delayed my vote just as a good Townie should do. And I did it just in case there was some unknown factor that could still stop us.
I almost fell out of my chair when I saw Nyxu's post calling us idiots. Sorry Nyxu, but I think you were absolutely the lynch I wanted to see.
Thanks.
I think one of the things that helped doom you was Shalako's conviction that Meg was a Vig kill and the attempt on Tordeck was a Scum attempt. I don't think he ever re-thought that position once you claimed. Had he stopped and thought about it, he might have realized he was being too narrow minded.
If that had happened, I was prepared to claim Peeta with an ability I didn't want to divulge. If that hadn't been enough to seal your fate (along with the fact you claimed Katniss while the Mod was using Katniss' perspective for his flavor posts), then I would've claimed something like a bomb where if I am NK'd, I also kill the person that attacked me, and that's why I didn't want to reveal the ability but felt the need to to prevent the Town from mislynching.
To be honest though, as soon as you claimed 1-shot Vig, Town should immediately have gone for a No Lynch. But nobody except me apparently considered that and I wasn't about to suggest it.
I knew his doc flavor.
I agree though, that the mod posting as the flavor character of an existing town player unduly weakens a claim
Does it really matter at this point? You had all of that already and yet you were still lynched anyway. *shrugs*
That's not how things went down at all. My vote for you came after more than 24 hours without a single post from ANYONE. And the days prior to that didn't exactly see a plethora of posts either.
But whatever. You need to stop blaming me. If you feel a need to blame someone, try your fellow Townies. KJ and I couldn't have lynched you without their help. Also, I find your claims that I made a huge scumslip and that you knew I was scum to be wishful thinking. NONE of your posts prior to the end game revealing my actual alignment have you calling me scum. As I said to start this paragraph though, whatever.
The issue was that the Hunger Games trilogy was written from Katniss's perspective, and her role was perfect for a Basic, so I would have felt remiss to exclude her. FWIW, I had planned from the start to write her death into the flavor scenes as necessary.
I had assumed that the power role claims would be taken somewhat for granted, so I was surprised that no one believed you. (Reverse-)gaming the mod FTL, I suppose.
Yeah, what was that about? Feel free to PM me if you'd rather not discuss it publicly.
You misread me on multiple angles. I don't blame you for getting my lynch. I blame the town for getting me lynched. I blame the town for playing so godawfully slowly that my words fell on deaf ears. And it wasn't until the endgame that you slipped. By the time I'd read your post I was lynched and I -did- have suspicion of you at the close before the Day ended but not before that. You factually went back on your own posts to vote me, that was your slip. Do I really need to go back and quote the posts for you?
You won despite this because of both abysmal play from other town and exemplary play on your part before hand. Enjoy your well-earned victory and MVP, but don't sit there and claim that you had winning plays for any outcome- that's just hubris.
I ended up giving Peeta as a false-claim to the mafia.
Thanks for the feedback; I'll keep your input in mind when designing my next game.