Damn this has to be the worst town since CCV. Ximbad's jump
On me just seems scummy to me. As for kpaca he ends up gettin me killed in all my games with him so I suspect perpetual hate. He is always on me in like all wagons against me.
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@Reya: You made a mistake, fair enough. More substantive post later.
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Damn iPod controls..... I need to get my pc up again. I ment , You went from like an opportunity vote to an unvote. Why did you you change your vote?
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Damn iPod controls..... I need to get my pc up again. I ment , You went from like an opportunity vote to an unvote. Why did you you change your vote?
It was a typo, your explination makes sense, while if you meant what you said it makes vrey little sense. I just chalked it up to you being an idiot when you posted. We were one vote away from another weak lynch, just like yesterday's.
I think as mafia you're less likely to make that mistake, and you clearly have been trying to say the same thing all along.
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Two votes out of six (or five, if this lynch threshold reducing thing still is a thing), a lynch does not make.
Your lack of hesitation from hopping from one side of the fence to the other bothers me. And he's more likely to make that mistake as mafia, being as he is having to falsify his reads.
Is this because of the flavorlynch, which I assumed was sarcastic, or because he claimed a neutral? I'm not actually all that opposed to lynching him purely on grounds of being neutral, since that sort of role could just as easily be a Mastermind/Autocrat type role (one that steals a win from the town). Hell, he may have given us a partial claim, neglecting to mention whether or not he wins WITH town.
**** it, Yanni, you convinced me to convince myself.
Oh right. I forgot about that: I can only vote if it's the hammer.
Hey guys,mremember when zeledrex forgot his role until it was pointed out that his vote didn't count?
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Two votes out of six (or five, if this lynch threshold reducing thing still is a thing), a lynch does not make.
Your lack of hesitation from hopping from one side of the fence to the other bothers me. And he's more likely to make that mistake as mafia, being as he is having to falsify his reads.
OK, I was wrong, two votes away. I wanted to see if kpaca started making sense. He didn't.
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He's making perfect sense, though. You, OTOH, are not. Blaming me for the mistakes/lack of proper reading by my predecessor is a pretty shady kickstart to a wagon.
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Well, I started a fire. Some newbies got upset about that and thats pretty genuine so theyre probably town. Youre likely town, not cleared but I feel good about you. I honestly think Ximbad is town, unrelated to any of this. Yanni appaears to have coat tailed me. Zelderex looks less than town.
And in all of this, all the crazyness and suspicion and lunacy going on, greymon has actively done nothing. Like large posts saying nothing.
vote: greymon.
Hes nervous.
Here he throws out a bunch of opinions. I feel like he was trying to buddy up to me with his "you're town/no reason". He also post directly after me a few times to say he agrees with what I'm saying.
Also note he voted for greymon who is 100% town if Zeledrx was scum.
Lcol.
How is what kpaca saying that is anti-town? He's pushing for an Iso lynch and pointing out that Iso doesn't support anything he's been saying. Do you not like his posting style? That doesn't have anything to do with what side he's playing on. What does he need to defend agsinst? You said he's anti-town so he needs to jump? That doesn't make sense. Maybe try posting some reasons that you think Iso is town and that kpaca is scum?People were voting for me without stating reasons. I asked for the reasons they were voting. In what way does that bring suspicion? Should I just ignore the post were the entire content was a vote? I don't like letting people slide by with the bare minimum of contentless posting. Then I asked manders how her vote wasn't random. She said her vote wasn't random, but it looked to me to be completely random.
I'm asking people questions. You're saying that is defensive; I'm saying it is inquisitive. Or you could keep barning scum, whatever works for you.
Are you saying that you originally caught the slip up, but ignored it?
I though he really meant that Tomatoes was scum, which is idiotic. I forgot about his first post until tomm juxtaposed the two.
So, yeah. Gandering dan is scum: confirmed.
That makes Iso most likely town
That makes Greymon 100% town.
Kpaca: Something to look into at least. What made you sure I was town? Same for Iso?
Someone on the Dork Knight bandwagon is third, not sure who. Maybe Vossimus.
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I've been thinking a lot about the whole "Zeld/gd can't vote except for the hammer" and my whole "can't vote except for no lynch thing" and after careful consideration I agree that the probability of us both being town is very low. I know I'm town (and therefore really don't fear the lynch because I know it will nab scum in the process) and I KNOW that I'm not the cause of the lower threshold so I'm thinking that we lynch GD. The actor thing seems like a stretch now, especially after the whole "I forgot about my role" thing came up. More than likely he doesn't have a vote but the lynch threshold is decreased by one while he's alive. In my opinion that's WAY more powerful than having a vote because as a scum, he is ALWAYS involved with a townie mislynch without being implicated.
Those are my thoughts at this moment, anyone else wanna weigh in on this?
He's making perfect sense, though. You, OTOH, are not. Blaming me for the mistakes/lack of proper reading by my predecessor is a pretty shady kickstart to a wagon.
How? Thats your slot. If the person before was scummy should all that be thrown away because you replaced him? You have the same role. I definitely did not like Ximbad's vote on me but I don't understand why he would stop voting me if he were scum. I was pretty much L-2.
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What makes you so sure about this? While Gandering dan (Zeld) definitely made some scummy plays, and is surely worth watching, I don't see anything that says he is confirmed scum.. could you please point it out for me?
Guys, I think Ximbad is worthy of lynching. From his RVS overreaction post, to his flip flopping on the Reya vote, it's just been off the entire time. That's two major scum tells.
Greymon proved he could vote no lynch. Zelderex didn't prove he could hammer. Also how bad would a role where you can only hammer be when you don't know when the hammer is going to drop.
Dork knight was vanilla townie, just like he claimed. Yanni has since flipped town, so keep that in mind.
Also you might not have noticed this, but there were only six votes showing on dork knight. This is odd because seven votes should have been needed to lynch him. Since no one claimed to know why this happened, there is likely a member of the mafia who has a voting related ability. At the time of dork knights lynch tom88 and zeledrex weren't voting. Maybe one of those two has a voting related ability? Mmm, zeledrex claimed to be an actor (he can't vote unless his vote is the final vote). That's odd for two reasons. He voted and wasn't mod killed (it was noted that this is the usual procedure). Also the day ended as soon as he would have been able vote, so he never got the chance to vote. Effectively this means that he wouldn't have a vote if he was an actor. Given the contex Greymon's inability to vote except no lynch (more or less proven) Zeledex's claim seems dubious.
Most of why Tom was scummy was his early day hypocrisy and that DK was trying to protect him. I am quite confidant he is scum now based on DK being town.
doesn't make any sense AT ALL. He said he meant to say that instead of scum he meant to say town. That causes this post to make some non zero amount of sense.
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Two votes out of six (or five, if this lynch threshold reducing thing still is a thing), a lynch does not make.
Your lack of hesitation from hopping from one side of the fence to the other bothers me. And he's more likely to make that mistake as mafia, being as he is having to falsify his reads.
Guys, I think Ximbad is worthy of lynching. From his RVS overreaction post, to his flip flopping on the Reya vote, it's just been off the entire time. That's two major scum tells.
Vote: Ximbad
Do you think this is indicative of Reya's alignment? If so, why? If not, why not?
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@Ximbad: Did you seriously just make a post saying "kpaca has done nothing this entire game. He is town."?
Actually I saying that he's near the top of my list of scum. As long as I was putting together what I though and why I figured I'd throw it out there for reactions/counterpoints/some sort of logical debate.
And saying you're town, lol.
@iso: Do you think that Reya's post where he calls tom scum makes sense as it was written? Do you not think it's possible that he made that mistake as a townie?
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Do you think this is indicative of Reya's alignment? If so, why? If not, why not?
I think if Ximbad is scum, then Reya is probably town. If they were scum buddies, I don't see why Ximbad would jump on her scum slip like he did. Although that does bring attention to the fact that he changed his mind on the vote rather quickly.
Either way, I think the Ximbad lynch is a no brainer. He's done more to convince me that he's scum than anyone else.
Two votes out of six (or five, if this lynch threshold reducing thing still is a thing), a lynch does not make.
Your lack of hesitation from hopping from one side of the fence to the other bothers me. And he's more likely to make that mistake as mafia, being as he is having to falsify his reads.
This makes no sense if I was falsifying my read then Tom would have to be scum.
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Why did you need 3-4 other people to say your find was scummy of Reya before you voted for Reya?
Originally it just looked like a typo to me that I was confused about. Then when I read kpaca's reasoning and Reya's reactions I became very convinced that she (Reya, are you a she?) is scum. The fact that there was a bandwagon has nothing to do with it.
I think if Ximbad is scum, then Reya is probably town. If they were scum buddies, I don't see why Ximbad would jump on her scum slip like he did. Although that does bring attention to the fact that he changed his mind on the vote rather quickly.
Either way, I think the Ximbad lynch is a no brainer. He's done more to convince me that he's scum than anyone else.
You want to lynch Ximbad and you are currently voting for him. This means you think he's scum.
You also say Reya is most likely town if Ximbad is scum (and you think he is). This means you think Reya is most likely town.
Then you refer to Reya's typo (or whatever people want to call it) as a "scum slip", implying that she is scum.
Im a he. Kpaca's reasoning is he does not believe me....
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If I was falsifying my read as scum
And I
Ment town but put scum then that would be Tom would be my scum mate?
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Trying to decide what I think about this whole Reya thing.
I think my current stance is that he is town that made a stupid mistake, and is flailing randomly trying to recover from something that can't really be explained.
I want Ximbad dead.
Lynch: Ximbad
Thought I was voting, but apparently the voting tally says no.
I don't like his overreaction to RVS on day one, I don't like how he vanished as the DK wagon cropped up, and I don't like how he tried to push the Manders thing at the end of the day - it felt like he was avoiding being on the DK wagon because he knew he would flip town.
I don't like the case he's trying to push on g_d. It's flimsy at best - where he states he is 100% confirmed scum based effectively on mechanics. It's trying to use mod-gaming to his benefit to generate what is probably a mislynch.
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What? That I questioned you about something and then realized I misread it? That wasn't an innocent mistake?
I'd like to know what it was, then.
SCUM SLIP SCUM SLIP SCUM SLIPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP.
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I think we both know that there is a big difference between what happened in each case. In mine I read something wrong (and in fact the way I originally read it can still be correct, but it wasn't what he apparently meant). In yours you typed something wrong.
Not to mention that I didn't even "jump on you" that quick. I can understand typos; they happen (even though this particular case was a pretty bad one). What I can't understand is the way you reacted; it was not very town-like.
Every reaction this entire game has been labled as scummy by someone or other, tomm.
People this game seem to think that they can so easily tell the difference between scum reactions and town reactions (hint: most of you are wrong most of the time)?
This "I don't like your reactions" argument shouldn't even be passable after day one (when it was used to lynch a townie). It's just poor argumentation and a refusal to approach the game of mafia logically.
I also think it's kind of weird that everyone is completely ignoring what happened day one and looking for some little slip-up and acting like that's a real strategy. Are we just going to have day one of this game over and over?
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I have no idea what to make of this post, could you expand on you thought process a little?
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That wasn't the point, it's the fact that the case on me is terribad I'm nt going to start a case on you because of your mistake but a typo which in no way makes me scum. I have a right to be pissed.
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Every reaction this entire game has been labled as scummy by someone or other, tomm.
People this game seem to think that they can so easily tell the difference between scum reactions and town reactions (hint: most of you are wrong most of the time)?
This "I don't like your reactions" argument shouldn't even be passable after day one (when it was used to lynch a townie). It's just poor argumentation and a refusal to approach the game of mafia logically.
I also think it's kind of weird that everyone is completely ignoring what happened day one and looking for some little slip-up and acting like that's a real strategy. Are we just going to have day one of this game over and over?
So you are saying that we should be focusing more on DK and Yanni than Reya's slip?
I agree that we should look into that more than we have been (which has been next to nothing). Maybe a PBPA or something of the sort for each? I might be able to get one done today.
But I also think Reya's slip is not something to ignore, either.
Kpaca did the same thing, no? What about him?
Lynch this guy.
On me just seems scummy to me. As for kpaca he ends up gettin me killed in all my games with him so I suspect perpetual hate. He is always on me in like all wagons against me.
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@Reya: You made a mistake, fair enough. More substantive post later.
You said this guy was town, kpaca?
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I think as mafia you're less likely to make that mistake, and you clearly have been trying to say the same thing all along. It was a typo, your explination makes sense, while if you meant what you said it makes vrey little sense. I just chalked it up to you being an idiot when you posted. We were one vote away from another weak lynch, just like yesterday's.
Your lack of hesitation from hopping from one side of the fence to the other bothers me. And he's more likely to make that mistake as mafia, being as he is having to falsify his reads.
Hey guys,mremember when zeledrex forgot his role until it was pointed out that his vote didn't count?
vote gandering_dan
I've also got more to say, but this is good for now.
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Are you saying that you originally caught the slip up, but ignored it?
That would be odd, considering your reaction when Tom pointed it out.
Perhaps, but if your predecessor was scum, then you are scum. If your predecessor was acting scummy, then it's worth looking into, wouldn't you say?
Here kpaca defends Zeledrex, who is scum
Here he goes from a vote on iso saying he's definitely scum to saying he's definitely town, with no real change in between.
Here he throws out a bunch of opinions. I feel like he was trying to buddy up to me with his "you're town/no reason". He also post directly after me a few times to say he agrees with what I'm saying.
Also note he voted for greymon who is 100% town if Zeledrx was scum. There is no content here, he's just kinda barning me.
Same here. I though he really meant that Tomatoes was scum, which is idiotic. I forgot about his first post until tomm juxtaposed the two.
So, yeah. Gandering dan is scum: confirmed.
That makes Iso most likely town
That makes Greymon 100% town.
Kpaca: Something to look into at least. What made you sure I was town? Same for Iso?
Someone on the Dork Knight bandwagon is third, not sure who. Maybe Vossimus.
Those are my thoughts at this moment, anyone else wanna weigh in on this?
How? Thats your slot. If the person before was scummy should all that be thrown away because you replaced him? You have the same role. I definitely did not like Ximbad's vote on me but I don't understand why he would stop voting me if he were scum. I was pretty much L-2.
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What makes you so sure about this? While Gandering dan (Zeld) definitely made some scummy plays, and is surely worth watching, I don't see anything that says he is confirmed scum.. could you please point it out for me?
Guys, I think Ximbad is worthy of lynching. From his RVS overreaction post, to his flip flopping on the Reya vote, it's just been off the entire time. That's two major scum tells.
Vote: Ximbad
You're right, I went back and reread that string of posts. I thought he was the one that originally said something about it.
How does this not add up?
I voted for reya because there was an obvious contradiction in what he was saying, highlighted by Tomm here
However this post: doesn't make any sense AT ALL. He said he meant to say that instead of scum he meant to say town. That causes this post to make some non zero amount of sense.
Thanks!
Why do you assume he's telling the truth? (He = not pinkfloyd)
You know the answer to this question. If we know why Yanni was killed, we can then surmise why:
A. Someone else wasn't killed.
B. Someone else wasn't Roleblocked.
C. Who killed Yanni.
I am. And because I thought Dork Knight was scum.
Unvote, Vote Reya
Notice the quite quick attempt to smear everybody voting for you for your slip.
Why did you need 3-4 other people to say your find was scummy of Reya before you voted for Reya?
Also, I think Manders is scum.
Remember when his vote didn't count?
Reads like Ximbad didn't want to jump on Reya until someone pointed it out.
@Ximbad: Did you seriously just make a post saying "kpaca has done nothing this entire game. He is town."?
Do you think this is indicative of Reya's alignment? If so, why? If not, why not?
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And saying you're town, lol.
@iso: Do you think that Reya's post where he calls tom scum makes sense as it was written? Do you not think it's possible that he made that mistake as a townie? Actually I saying that he's near the top of my list of scum. As long as I was putting together what I though and why I figured I'd throw it out there for reactions/counterpoints/some sort of logical debate.
I think it's possible that Reya made a typo, as town. I think, however, it's more likely that Reya made a scumslip.
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I think if Ximbad is scum, then Reya is probably town. If they were scum buddies, I don't see why Ximbad would jump on her scum slip like he did. Although that does bring attention to the fact that he changed his mind on the vote rather quickly.
Either way, I think the Ximbad lynch is a no brainer. He's done more to convince me that he's scum than anyone else.
This makes no sense if I was falsifying my read then Tom would have to be scum.
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Originally it just looked like a typo to me that I was confused about. Then when I read kpaca's reasoning and Reya's reactions I became very convinced that she (Reya, are you a she?) is scum. The fact that there was a bandwagon has nothing to do with it.
You want to lynch Ximbad and you are currently voting for him. This means you think he's scum.
You also say Reya is most likely town if Ximbad is scum (and you think he is). This means you think Reya is most likely town.
Then you refer to Reya's typo (or whatever people want to call it) as a "scum slip", implying that she is scum.
Is there something I'm missing...?
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Explain how.
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And I
Ment town but put scum then that would be Tom would be my scum mate?
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I think my current stance is that he is town that made a stupid mistake, and is flailing randomly trying to recover from something that can't really be explained.
I want Ximbad dead.
Lynch: Ximbad
Thought I was voting, but apparently the voting tally says no.
I don't like his overreaction to RVS on day one, I don't like how he vanished as the DK wagon cropped up, and I don't like how he tried to push the Manders thing at the end of the day - it felt like he was avoiding being on the DK wagon because he knew he would flip town.
I don't like the case he's trying to push on g_d. It's flimsy at best - where he states he is 100% confirmed scum based effectively on mechanics. It's trying to use mod-gaming to his benefit to generate what is probably a mislynch.
I think Reya is most likely town if Ximbad is scum, based on their interactions.
you're missing the keyword "if", I guess.
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Because scum never jumps on bandwagons? They must never lie about jumping on bandwagons either.
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Reya, you're wrong because of the reasons Iso (& kpaca & I) provided.
You're right, I was just informed of this by my mentor..
Ok.... and you obviously think Ximbad is scum, right? You are voting for him and say you want him dead so...
And since you think he is scum, this means you think Reya is town (based on your above quote).
Thus why I don't understand you saying Reya "scumslipped", which implies Reya is scum.
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If they are scum buddies, meaning they are both scum, it's a scum slip.. What's not to understand about this?
You're doing the same thing to me now that you did to Reya in day 1
Ok, after a re-read I see what you are saying now. My bad.
Well hey I'm at least trying.
Whatever dude, I don't buy that that was just an innocent mistake.
What? That I questioned you about something and then realized I misread it? That wasn't an innocent mistake?
I'd like to know what it was, then.
SCUM SLIP SCUM SLIP SCUM SLIPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP.
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I think we both know that there is a big difference between what happened in each case. In mine I read something wrong (and in fact the way I originally read it can still be correct, but it wasn't what he apparently meant). In yours you typed something wrong.
Not to mention that I didn't even "jump on you" that quick. I can understand typos; they happen (even though this particular case was a pretty bad one). What I can't understand is the way you reacted; it was not very town-like.
People this game seem to think that they can so easily tell the difference between scum reactions and town reactions (hint: most of you are wrong most of the time)?
This "I don't like your reactions" argument shouldn't even be passable after day one (when it was used to lynch a townie). It's just poor argumentation and a refusal to approach the game of mafia logically.
I also think it's kind of weird that everyone is completely ignoring what happened day one and looking for some little slip-up and acting like that's a real strategy. Are we just going to have day one of this game over and over?
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So you are saying that we should be focusing more on DK and Yanni than Reya's slip?
I agree that we should look into that more than we have been (which has been next to nothing). Maybe a PBPA or something of the sort for each? I might be able to get one done today.
But I also think Reya's slip is not something to ignore, either.