Ok, so while you are at it, find town vote mongering too. Seems like there was something else to look for in your meta, but I'm drawing blanks.
You find it. I'll be looking for the meta stuff because I have a vague recollection of what's where because I recall harboring resent towards getting mislynched over weak cases. Votemongering is a more general thing.
This is evidence that all throughout Iso's fight with Ahlyis, he still regards him as town. It's once Ahlyis starts agreeing with me that he becomes scummy.
No. It was a lack of him doing anything but posting theory and all that lovely stuff.
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So my bad, DH is on this list and wasn't a product of being tied to Meg or me. However, Tordeck is on the list and this is way before the Iso-Tordeck fight began. The only indication for why he's on this list is what I gave earlier, the fact that he's agreeing with me. So there's Meg, me because I disagree with the Meg case and Tordeck because he agrees with me disagreeing. Also, note that the Proph scumspect comes from some early theory about Meg and Proph being buddies. So that's a tie-in too.
The Tordeck part is a blatant lie. Stop lying about my reasons for suspecting people. Jfc.
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Sets up Arcadic for the tie, although this time I agree that Arcadic seems scummy, just not because he agrees with me. If Arcadic flips scum, I'm more likely to believe that Iso's town with poor reads.
And this feels like Gricky is giving himself an out once Arcadic flips scum.
I think the thing that jumps out at me when seeing it in graph form is the number of people voting for Meg at the beginning of the game and then either jump on Drag and never go back to Meg or just vote someone else after the vote reset.
Will have to think on this and investigate it more to see if it means anything.
Since I never got around to this, please compare it to Dragon's wagon.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
You find it. I'll be looking for the meta stuff because I have a vague recollection of what's where because I recall harboring resent towards getting mislynched over weak cases. Votemongering is a more general thing.
No. It was a lack of him doing anything but posting theory and all that lovely stuff.
The Tordeck part is a blatant lie. Stop lying about my reasons for suspecting people. Jfc.
And this feels like Gricky is giving himself an out once Arcadic flips scum.
Since I never got around to this, please compare it to Dragon's wagon.
Seasons.
Stop using meta.
You can't do it properly.
Tell me why.
How do you justify Gricky, Megiddo, and myself being on the same team if we're scum?
I haven't posted since you asked for a reason. Well, now I have. But yeah.
As for who I'd like to lynch, in the following order:
You find it. I'll be looking for the meta stuff because I have a vague recollection of what's where because I recall harboring resent towards getting mislynched over weak cases. Votemongering is a more general thing.
I figured that since you are looking through old games and proving this unmeta'able theory, you'd probably find some of your town games where you may have Mongered. I'm more inclined to look at all your scum games and see how hard you mongered. I'll do that later, it's late.
No. It was a lack of him doing anything but posting theory and all that lovely stuff.
Sure he posted theory and 'lovely stuff', but a majority of why you thought Ahlyis was scum was because he was voting a neutral and refused to join your Meg wagon, eventually joining the wagon against you. That's the way I see it, you made a much bigger issue about getting his vote.
The Tordeck part is a blatant lie. Stop lying about my reasons for suspecting people. Jfc.
You call me a liar quite a lot, but if I'm lying, stop calling me a liar and prove me a liar. Everything else is just words. Your Tordeck suspicion started when he began agreeing with me. Your "I don't like that you agree with Gricky" after referring to several posts of mine that you didn't like, yet wouldn't explain why, was directed to Tordeck. After that it was all downhill, and even though Tordeck's gone on to do other things that make him individually scummy, your tirade against him began with you tying him to me, and thus Meg and Proph too.
And this feels like Gricky is giving himself an out once Arcadic flips scum.
I'm beginning to become concerned for you Iso. You've been driving in that tunnel for what seems to be weeks now. Are you just taking U-Turns at each end of the English Channel?
So now the attack goes from "I'm impervious to meta" to "Gricky just can't meta", and each time there's an attack, it's followed by one example.
AE may have lurked as town in Seasons, but not in Vampires (Sorry, it's ongoing, that's all I'm saying), Goo and Duel Monsters just to name one's I've actually experienced. His big post here makes me think he's town, now that he actually has activity. Still, I think my use of Meta is effective.
1. Meg
2. Wessel - I actually found AE's case very convincing
***Think they are slightly scummy, but not willing to lynch***
3. Void - I can see what people are saying, but it's not enough to convince me to want to lynch him
4. Arn - Doesn't sit right with me
5. Aud - Feels different then other games I've been in
@kpaca Annoying yes. But I have to parrot, why would he do it?
And why would you counterclaim Seppel? If you didn't CC Seppel, why do you agree with his gametheory argument? Aren't you way better off secretly giving out starfish?
@Seppel 1. You mis-numbered 3. Now you see why I don't post in my original style, people ignored your case completely.
That said, I ignored your first case on Void. I did, what I complain about, the hand wave dismissal "Oh that wacky Seppel" Can I condemn Void for the same?
Let me address your case specifically then. Your case is strong 1 through 8 (the erstwhile 7). But Wessel as Void's scumbuddy, not seeing that at all (#12)
#8 I'm still trying to wrap my mind around. You think he's confessing to being scum by saying your reads are good? That would be a huge slip.
9,10,11 are not doing anything for me.
@AE Can't Wessel be merely trying to gather information to better his reads?
I can't see tordeck or D_V as scum. I dislike them both but scum? not from my reads.
And finally I thought you guys were making a forum joke I was unaware of but fluffyn00b is actually a player in this game. (I had to look this up) 3 null posts. And I don't mean I'm dismissing them flippantly but there is nothing there.
My scum list:
Iso - I addressed this
Void - A convincing, non comedic case on someone. A majority of which I agree with.
Meg - where in Audio has to translate his posts (which I believe gives him a different tone) Meg posts are just a pebble in my shoe. Just a pebble, not a real issue but for some reason I'm not liking his posts. I really should read them again.
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
We will begin here. Void didn't say anything notable until this next post, which I'll be truncating. You can read it in its entirety if you'd like. In this post, he has four (initially two but now I'm noticing two other small points) points to take note of:
(1) He starts out by saying he won't be trusting me, then he trusts me on the Dragon vote.
(2) He lists five people who are potential scum, then votes a sixth person. This is a universal scumtell.
(3) He uses humor and an emoticon when dismissing the humor and emoticon tell that was used against him in Starcraft Mafia.
(4) He sees two opponents with similar claims (Seppel and Kpaca) and doesn't take a stance -- he waits to see how the dust will settle. I nailed Iso in my first post of Star Trek: DS9 Mafia with this same tell.
I've bolded the points to make it easier to understand:
My reaction:
AI's reaction:
Wessel's reaction:
Void responds. There's a ton of responses here and a lot of them are notably suspicious. If I have spare time I'll go through them, but it's worth reading with all the things he quoted, so view this one in its entirety. I've retained the things he said to me, because they're the most important.
(4) Void asks a non-town player for support.
(5) Void says Seppel needs to die, but doesn't vote, FoS, or otherwise suggest how that death could be achieved.
(6) Void deflects. Instead of defending himself, Void claims that Dragon flipping town proves that Seppel is scum. there is no evidence. This is simply a case of Void trying to discredit the speaker. This is the strongest point against Void.
My responses:
(7) Void never responds to this accusation of deflection, a continuing trend of Void simply not defending himself and hoping the arguments will blow over.
Moving on. This next point takes a lot of quotes to explain. Votes are piling on Void, and he goes off on a tangent to address D_V.
...meanwhile, Guardman and Tordeck are having a conversation that converges with the above conversation after a bit...
...right here. D_V responds to Guardman, and Void joins the ride, where he incriminates himself:
(8) Of the three "valid" scum reads D_V has, Void includes himself as a valid scum read. This shows that he is aware of the case set forth against himself.
(9) Void admits that his initial catch-up post is scummy. I explain this in my next post.
(10) I forget what this is called. But it's when you say that you're a townie too much and hope that makes you blend in.
(11) Cyouni pointed this out, but I don't exactly understand how Void is jumping around with his opinions on Tordeck.
(12) Void specifically describes parts of the case as "factual evidence" against him. Calling a point "evidence" is only a hop away from claiming to be scum.
And the Grand Goddamn Finale: Why Wessel is Void's scumbuddy.
(13) Remember how lots of people were asking Void questions, scrutinizing him, and so on? You remember how Void responded to everyone? Well, he forgot someone:
...and Wessel forgot about him too. This post is the end of their communication.
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Thirteen points against Void. The strongest points are (2), (7), and (12), with the remaining ten points being supporting evidence.
That is a good summary, with a lot of good points. You should also add another point to this list, Void is now officially lurking (unless he announced a VLA that I missed. Still have just skimmed through the latest pages). Lurking IS Voids scum MO.
As for Wessel beeing his buddy, how do you explain Wessel beeing the one to bring up the emoticon?
I'm so sad that you're neutral, but glad that you're obviously pro-town for now.
My list:
1. Void (summarized by Seppel, now also lurking)
2. Megiddo (for early reasons, + I really want to see if kpaca was like psycic right about him as well)
3. Wheatums (I initially bought his PR beeing something that would grant town good things. Now I'm leaning scum gambit to hide behind it)
4. D_V (Still haven't played the game a lot. Trolling, flaming, disussing theory and flinging poo.)
5. fluffyn00b (Definately haven't been playing the game. At all. More of a policy than a scum-suspect.)
@Mod: Could we have a replace for fluffyn00b please? Pretty please? He's going to be like that all game if we let him. I assume he has been thorouglly prodded.
I was suspicious of AE, but his explanation of not beeing around seems fine. His Wesselcase seems like a townie try.
I would vote Void, but I really like to see an explanation from Wheat_Grinder first.
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I mentioned him in my TSI. I've had him leaning town since he came back from v/la. I'd appreciate you not lying about me.
Then I'd appreciate a paragraph at least acknowledging the case and why the points don't convince you. Hell, even just one sentence would be a novel coming from you.
I didn't forget about him. I also dislike that Void is no longer answering my questions to him, which resulted in me stating in my next post that I still prefer to see Void dead for being obvious scum.
So instead of trying to address Void, or even get his attention again by reiterating your questions or replying to any of his other 10 - 15 posts, you just decided to mope in the corner and pout about how the bad man should be brought to justice.
You talked to everyone else with passion just fine. I don't believe for a second that you as town would be that passive to Void and not everyone else.
Then again, I'm also still pondering whether or not it would be best to keep you alive. The fact that your are going through such lengths to try to remain in the town's favor does worry me.
This paragraph is complete fearmongering. I've said I'm townsiding, and I'm helping the town by scumhunting... and this makes you think I might be better off dead?
Let me ask you a question. What made you think W_G is running a scum gambit?
Btw, I don't mind your question to Seppel, but it adds a bit to my feeling uncomfortable with your buddying.
He faked a PR. I can in no way understand how that's indicative of town, hence it needs an explanation. Faking a PR making the game harder to read and follow is mos def anti-town behaviour. I did not see him as scummy before because I thought he actually HAD a PR.
I don't understand why you should mind. The issue is clearly relevant to his case on you beeing Voids partner.
Seppel: Please answer my question about Wessel highlighting Voids emoticon-tell.
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I'm really tired, and I have to be leaving soon, so just this for now.
I am willing to lynch Void, and/or probably Arcadic today. I need to think about Audinho more.
@Seppel, re: point 11: It's more the point before that. He states that he believes Gricky to be pretty much guaranteed scum. In his following post, he states "if Gricky is scum, Tordeck is scum", then immediately makes a statement where he expresses the possibility of believing Tordeck's case - "I'll wait to see what other people think before I believe this", paraphrased.
@Tordeck: Your reaction-trolling brought nothing readable. If I'd posted earlier in the day instead of heading out to get food, I would have voted you as well.
Will look at Wessel when I'm being less distracted/lazy.
@Mod: Could we have a replace for fluffyn00b please? Pretty please? He's going to be like that all game if we let him. I assume he has been thorouglly prodded.
I have the replacement call out, but it seems increasingly unlikely that other players are going to volunteer to jump in to this game.
That being said, I'll see what I can do, though I'll be on the road for most of today.
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Ok. So Kpaca earns more cred, he's got cred upon cred. My question is: Why? Why fake it and why give it up?
The bolded does not seem like a townie response.
As to why fake it? Because I wanted to use it to catch reactions, and hopefully help determine a few alignments. Giving it up was part of that. I originally planned to give it up day 2, blame it on a "curse" of the scum, and try to see if the scum would call BS and thus be caught.
But I started to realize that there were benefits to giving it up now as well, mainly in that I could probably give town points to a few players as well (AI, for example)
@Audinho: I actually missed Wheat_Grinder's post where he admitted to lying. Which makes me wonder why he admitted to lying. Which makes me wonder why he admitted to lying after kpaca told him to.
We will begin here. Void didn't say anything notable until this next post, which I'll be truncating. You can read it in its entirety if you'd like. In this post, he has four (initially two but now I'm noticing two other small points) points to take note of:
(1) He starts out by saying he won't be trusting me, then he trusts me on the Dragon vote.
(2) He lists five people who are potential scum, then votes a sixth person. This is a universal scumtell.
(3) He uses humor and an emoticon when dismissing the humor and emoticon tell that was used against him in Starcraft Mafia.
1 is a good point, 2 is a decent point, 3 is a meh point.
(4) He sees two opponents with similar claims (Seppel and Kpaca) and doesn't take a stance -- he waits to see how the dust will settle. I nailed Iso in my first post of Star Trek: DS9 Mafia with this same tell.
(4) Void asks a non-town player for support.
(5) Void says Seppel needs to die, but doesn't vote, FoS, or otherwise suggest how that death could be achieved.
(6) Void deflects. Instead of defending himself, Void claims that Dragon flipping town proves that Seppel is scum. there is no evidence. This is simply a case of Void trying to discredit the speaker. This is the strongest point against Void.
4.1 is a meh point, I've done the same as town. 4.2 is an okay point. 5 is a good point. 6 is a good point.
(7) Void never responds to this accusation of deflection, a continuing trend of Void simply not defending himself and hoping the arguments will blow over.
Good point.
(8) Of the three "valid" scum reads D_V has, Void includes himself as a valid scum read. This shows that he is aware of the case set forth against himself.
Excellent.
(9) Void admits that his initial catch-up post is scummy. I explain this in my next post.
(10) I forget what this is called. But it's when you say that you're a townie too much and hope that makes you blend in.
(11) Cyouni pointed this out, but I don't exactly understand how Void is jumping around with his opinions on Tordeck.
Good, okay, meh.
(12) Void specifically describes parts of the case as "factual evidence" against him. Calling a point "evidence" is only a hop away from claiming to be scum.
And the Grand Goddamn Finale: Why Wessel is Void's scumbuddy.
(13) Remember how lots of people were asking Void questions, scrutinizing him, and so on? You remember how Void responded to everyone? Well, he forgot someone:
...and Wessel forgot about him too. This post is the end of their communication.
And very good points on the end.
So yeah, I'm still up for lynching Void, Wessel, and Tordeck.
Sure he posted theory and 'lovely stuff', but a majority of why you thought Ahlyis was scum was because he was voting a neutral and refused to join your Meg wagon, eventually joining the wagon against you. That's the way I see it, you made a much bigger issue about getting his vote.
When you're voting for a claimed Neutral on Day 1 and there are MUCH better targets to vote for, it's anti-town.
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You call me a liar quite a lot, but if I'm lying, stop calling me a liar and prove me a liar. Everything else is just words. Your Tordeck suspicion started when he began agreeing with me. Your "I don't like that you agree with Gricky" after referring to several posts of mine that you didn't like, yet wouldn't explain why, was directed to Tordeck. After that it was all downhill, and even though Tordeck's gone on to do other things that make him individually scummy, your tirade against him began with you tying him to me, and thus Meg and Proph too.
I have pointed out every single time you've lied in this game and cited it and yet you keep repeating yourself. You'll have to pardon me for not constantly digging up quotes that I've already referenced.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Seppel: Please answer my question about Wessel highlighting Voids emoticon-tell.
Could be early bussing though it is unusual that he would come back to Void again. Slight town tell. But I'll need more than that to pull him out of the grave.
I'm ignoring the Void case until Void posts a response. I'm perfectly happy with my vote on Iso and don't see a reason to change. That's not to say I'm not going to read Void's response and consider switching if he looks scummy, but until void DOES respond, I don't see any reason to comment.
If Void starts posting and blatantly ignores the case, that would be scummy as hell. But until he either starts posting something, or gets replaced, I'm content with my vote on Iso and just ignoring the Void case until then.
You and I both think Megiddo is scum. If we see who jumped from the Meg wagon to the DH wagon, we can potentially find more scumbuddies of Megiddo.
I personally think it would be a waste of time because there is too much garbage surrounding the wagon because of DH's trolling. Garbage in, garbage out.
@Wheat_Grinder: Why did you give your gambit up specifically after kpaca asked you to?
Well for one thing he started looking pretty irritated about it, given the excessive punctuation and also that it was the third or fourth time he asked.
Also after he kept saying it was fake, I didn't know that I could last much longer without more people calling it fake as well, which might've ruined the chance to grab reactions.
Well, I put a question mark at the end of it, and there's that whole "interactions" thing.
You and I both think Megiddo is scum. If we see who jumped from the Meg wagon to the DH wagon, we can potentially find more scumbuddies of Megiddo.
When you're voting for a claimed Neutral on Day 1 and there are MUCH better targets to vote for, it's anti-town.
I have pointed out every single time you've lied in this game and cited it and yet you keep repeating yourself. You'll have to pardon me for not constantly digging up quotes that I've already referenced.
I did not ignore the Void case.
I did not avoid commenting on the Void case. I do not think Void is scum.
Uhh.
And why wouldn't he want to do that instead of letting himself be put up on the chopping block later on when our leads run dry?
Anyway, I don't think Void is scum, but if I'm wrong, the interactions do point to Wessel being his scumbuddy.
Analyzing interactions on day 1 and letting it shape your scum team is patently stupid in my opinion so youll have to excuse me for not seein any validity to your question despite its punctuation.
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As for Wheat_Grinder and why I asked whether there was a Magical Girl speaking Latin, is because I wanted to know whether there existed one, or that maybe W_G was lying about it. I don't see how that question would determine whether or not he has any power roles (next to his post restriction), I only did it to see whether or not W_G might be running an (albeit laborious) scum gambit.
Gotta ask this one before anything. To what end? To see if he was lying or not? Then what? It seems to matter so if he wasn't lying your going down one avenue. If he is lying your going down another.
Okay, okay, I'll stop already.
He's on my list because I'm not convinced it was all an act.
God I am so good at this.
I've already explained! /tongue-in-cheek
You find it. I'll be looking for the meta stuff because I have a vague recollection of what's where because I recall harboring resent towards getting mislynched over weak cases. Votemongering is a more general thing.
No. It was a lack of him doing anything but posting theory and all that lovely stuff.
The Tordeck part is a blatant lie. Stop lying about my reasons for suspecting people. Jfc.
And this feels like Gricky is giving himself an out once Arcadic flips scum.
Since I never got around to this, please compare it to Dragon's wagon.
Seasons.
Stop using meta.
You can't do it properly.
Tell me why.
How do you justify Gricky, Megiddo, and myself being on the same team if we're scum?
I haven't posted since you asked for a reason. Well, now I have. But yeah.
As for who I'd like to lynch, in the following order:
1. Megiddo
2. Prophylaxis
3. Gricky
4. Arcadic
5. Tordeck
...:facepalm:
{мы, тьма}
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Are you ****ing kidding?
Christ. If we didn't have so many valid scum prospects to lynch from, I'd policy lynch you in a heartbeat right now!
That crap was flat out NOT COOL!
So, kpaca, how did you know he was faking it?
Lynching Priority:
1. Void
2. Zajnet
3. Iso
4. Wessel
...
5. Audinho
I don't think Audinho has been scummy so much as lost, and I still have bad feelings about Arcadic and Infinis.
They have bad voting records and poor records of contribution.
What is there to compare? DH's wagon was a policy lynch wagon.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
How is that even a question?
@ai: the magic of television
Also why do you want me to compare it to Meg's wagon?
I feel like you are trying to get me to do your leg work or something and I don't even know what leg work you are trying to get me to do.
Do I live up to the stories pk tells about me?
P.s. youre all welcome
That is so me right now.
Yeah Wheat just can't pull off a Guardman.
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Ok. So Kpaca earns more cred, he's got cred upon cred. My question is: Why? Why fake it and why give it up?
I figured that since you are looking through old games and proving this unmeta'able theory, you'd probably find some of your town games where you may have Mongered. I'm more inclined to look at all your scum games and see how hard you mongered. I'll do that later, it's late.
Sure he posted theory and 'lovely stuff', but a majority of why you thought Ahlyis was scum was because he was voting a neutral and refused to join your Meg wagon, eventually joining the wagon against you. That's the way I see it, you made a much bigger issue about getting his vote.
You call me a liar quite a lot, but if I'm lying, stop calling me a liar and prove me a liar. Everything else is just words. Your Tordeck suspicion started when he began agreeing with me. Your "I don't like that you agree with Gricky" after referring to several posts of mine that you didn't like, yet wouldn't explain why, was directed to Tordeck. After that it was all downhill, and even though Tordeck's gone on to do other things that make him individually scummy, your tirade against him began with you tying him to me, and thus Meg and Proph too.
I'm beginning to become concerned for you Iso. You've been driving in that tunnel for what seems to be weeks now. Are you just taking U-Turns at each end of the English Channel?
So now the attack goes from "I'm impervious to meta" to "Gricky just can't meta", and each time there's an attack, it's followed by one example.
AE may have lurked as town in Seasons, but not in Vampires (Sorry, it's ongoing, that's all I'm saying), Goo and Duel Monsters just to name one's I've actually experienced. His big post here makes me think he's town, now that he actually has activity. Still, I think my use of Meta is effective.
I just don't get how you do it. I wanna grow up to be you someday.
Wheat_Grinder
Iso
Ahlyis
Deaths_Vampire
Tordeck
GrickyTimmick
Lol as if
Lol as if. I just hulksmashed a pr, Im spent for the night.
Didn't you just try to argue with me over whether you are actually contributing content? I mean, really, why bother posting this?
Big [kpaca] is watching [Wheat_Grinder]?
Thanks for nothing, now I don't have an excuse to ignore him any more.
I'll second this question.
I think we all do.
Also, I think you used to be TACKY. Correct?
@Guardman: Refresh my memory, please. Who are your main suspects now, and why?
I mentioned him in my TSI. I've had him leaning town since he came back from v/la. I'd appreciate you not lying about me.
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And why would you counterclaim Seppel? If you didn't CC Seppel, why do you agree with his gametheory argument? Aren't you way better off secretly giving out starfish?
@Seppel 1. You mis-numbered 3. Now you see why I don't post in my original style, people ignored your case completely.
That said, I ignored your first case on Void. I did, what I complain about, the hand wave dismissal "Oh that wacky Seppel" Can I condemn Void for the same?
Let me address your case specifically then. Your case is strong 1 through 8 (the erstwhile 7). But Wessel as Void's scumbuddy, not seeing that at all (#12)
#8 I'm still trying to wrap my mind around. You think he's confessing to being scum by saying your reads are good? That would be a huge slip.
9,10,11 are not doing anything for me.
@AE Can't Wessel be merely trying to gather information to better his reads?
I can't see tordeck or D_V as scum. I dislike them both but scum? not from my reads.
And finally I thought you guys were making a forum joke I was unaware of but fluffyn00b is actually a player in this game. (I had to look this up) 3 null posts. And I don't mean I'm dismissing them flippantly but there is nothing there.
My scum list:
Iso - I addressed this
Void - A convincing, non comedic case on someone. A majority of which I agree with.
Meg - where in Audio has to translate his posts (which I believe gives him a different tone) Meg posts are just a pebble in my shoe. Just a pebble, not a real issue but for some reason I'm not liking his posts. I really should read them again.
12-11? I'm losing track
I'm still thinking about your case.
Tentatively though right now I buy it. I'll post something tomorrow.
That is a good summary, with a lot of good points. You should also add another point to this list, Void is now officially lurking (unless he announced a VLA that I missed. Still have just skimmed through the latest pages). Lurking IS Voids scum MO.
As for Wessel beeing his buddy, how do you explain Wessel beeing the one to bring up the emoticon?
I'm at a loss of words. I was so looking forward to seeing what gain Wheat would get from all that extra work from EVERYONE translating his posts.
Why? Whyyyyyyyy!?
I'm so sad that you're neutral, but glad that you're obviously pro-town for now.
My list:
1. Void (summarized by Seppel, now also lurking)
2. Megiddo (for early reasons, + I really want to see if kpaca was like psycic right about him as well)
3. Wheatums (I initially bought his PR beeing something that would grant town good things. Now I'm leaning scum gambit to hide behind it)
4. D_V (Still haven't played the game a lot. Trolling, flaming, disussing theory and flinging poo.)
5. fluffyn00b (Definately haven't been playing the game. At all. More of a policy than a scum-suspect.)
@Mod: Could we have a replace for fluffyn00b please? Pretty please? He's going to be like that all game if we let him. I assume he has been thorouglly prodded.
I was suspicious of AE, but his explanation of not beeing around seems fine. His Wesselcase seems like a townie try.
I would vote Void, but I really like to see an explanation from Wheat_Grinder first.
Damnation studios!
Zodiac - Doublevoter - Loss
Starcraft - VT - Loss
The Office - Mafia Rolecop - Win
1984 - VT - Vigged - Loss
Quantum - Lynched D1 Alpha Mafia - Win
Mean Girls - Town Masonizer Replaced into lynch - Loss
Startrek Voyager - Backup JOAT - Loss
Boardgame - VT- Loss
Ghost Story - VT - (replaced in)
Smalltown Animaniacs - Delay Doc - Loss
Kill Bill - One-shot Vig - Loss
Magical Girls -
Mr Potato Head -
Work hard, play casually
So every time I post I catch flak for it. Noted.
Damnation studios!
Zodiac - Doublevoter - Loss
Starcraft - VT - Loss
The Office - Mafia Rolecop - Win
1984 - VT - Vigged - Loss
Quantum - Lynched D1 Alpha Mafia - Win
Mean Girls - Town Masonizer Replaced into lynch - Loss
Startrek Voyager - Backup JOAT - Loss
Boardgame - VT- Loss
Ghost Story - VT - (replaced in)
Smalltown Animaniacs - Delay Doc - Loss
Kill Bill - One-shot Vig - Loss
Magical Girls -
Mr Potato Head -
Work hard, play casually
I'm waiting to hear Void's response.
Yup, before that I was BigTime. Off and on play for 5 years now.
Then I'd appreciate a paragraph at least acknowledging the case and why the points don't convince you. Hell, even just one sentence would be a novel coming from you.
So instead of trying to address Void, or even get his attention again by reiterating your questions or replying to any of his other 10 - 15 posts, you just decided to mope in the corner and pout about how the bad man should be brought to justice.
You talked to everyone else with passion just fine. I don't believe for a second that you as town would be that passive to Void and not everyone else.
This paragraph is complete fearmongering. I've said I'm townsiding, and I'm helping the town by scumhunting... and this makes you think I might be better off dead?
How anti-town of you.
He faked a PR. I can in no way understand how that's indicative of town, hence it needs an explanation. Faking a PR making the game harder to read and follow is mos def anti-town behaviour. I did not see him as scummy before because I thought he actually HAD a PR.
I don't understand why you should mind. The issue is clearly relevant to his case on you beeing Voids partner.
Seppel: Please answer my question about Wessel highlighting Voids emoticon-tell.
Damnation studios!
Zodiac - Doublevoter - Loss
Starcraft - VT - Loss
The Office - Mafia Rolecop - Win
1984 - VT - Vigged - Loss
Quantum - Lynched D1 Alpha Mafia - Win
Mean Girls - Town Masonizer Replaced into lynch - Loss
Startrek Voyager - Backup JOAT - Loss
Boardgame - VT- Loss
Ghost Story - VT - (replaced in)
Smalltown Animaniacs - Delay Doc - Loss
Kill Bill - One-shot Vig - Loss
Magical Girls -
Mr Potato Head -
Work hard, play casually
I am willing to lynch Void, and/or probably Arcadic today. I need to think about Audinho more.
@Seppel, re: point 11: It's more the point before that. He states that he believes Gricky to be pretty much guaranteed scum. In his following post, he states "if Gricky is scum, Tordeck is scum", then immediately makes a statement where he expresses the possibility of believing Tordeck's case - "I'll wait to see what other people think before I believe this", paraphrased.
@Tordeck: Your reaction-trolling brought nothing readable. If I'd posted earlier in the day instead of heading out to get food, I would have voted you as well.
Will look at Wessel when I'm being less distracted/lazy.
I have the replacement call out, but it seems increasingly unlikely that other players are going to volunteer to jump in to this game.
That being said, I'll see what I can do, though I'll be on the road for most of today.
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Right here Wessel.
Yep. I don't know how you do it.
I could see this reaction coming from either side.
You play a little different so I can't tell much about this reaction.
I like this reaction to it, seems town.
Me among them.
I like you, Gman.
I am but an apprentice before the master.
The bolded does not seem like a townie response.
As to why fake it? Because I wanted to use it to catch reactions, and hopefully help determine a few alignments. Giving it up was part of that. I originally planned to give it up day 2, blame it on a "curse" of the scum, and try to see if the scum would call BS and thus be caught.
But I started to realize that there were benefits to giving it up now as well, mainly in that I could probably give town points to a few players as well (AI, for example)
Yes, I intentionally ignored it. I was looking for reactions before posting too much again.
Strikes me as more townie than scum.
I'm not a fan of this phrasing.
1 is a good point, 2 is a decent point, 3 is a meh point.
4.1 is a meh point, I've done the same as town. 4.2 is an okay point. 5 is a good point. 6 is a good point.
Good point.
Excellent.
Good, okay, meh.
And very good points on the end.
So yeah, I'm still up for lynching Void, Wessel, and Tordeck.
I had a large post to make.
Well, I put a question mark at the end of it, and there's that whole "interactions" thing.
You and I both think Megiddo is scum. If we see who jumped from the Meg wagon to the DH wagon, we can potentially find more scumbuddies of Megiddo.
When you're voting for a claimed Neutral on Day 1 and there are MUCH better targets to vote for, it's anti-town.
I have pointed out every single time you've lied in this game and cited it and yet you keep repeating yourself. You'll have to pardon me for not constantly digging up quotes that I've already referenced.
I did not ignore the Void case.
I did not avoid commenting on the Void case. I do not think Void is scum.
Uhh.
And why wouldn't he want to do that instead of letting himself be put up on the chopping block later on when our leads run dry?
Anyway, I don't think Void is scum, but if I'm wrong, the interactions do point to Wessel being his scumbuddy.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Could be early bussing though it is unusual that he would come back to Void again. Slight town tell. But I'll need more than that to pull him out of the grave.
If Void starts posting and blatantly ignores the case, that would be scummy as hell. But until he either starts posting something, or gets replaced, I'm content with my vote on Iso and just ignoring the Void case until then.
I personally think it would be a waste of time because there is too much garbage surrounding the wagon because of DH's trolling. Garbage in, garbage out.
Well for one thing he started looking pretty irritated about it, given the excessive punctuation and also that it was the third or fourth time he asked.
Also after he kept saying it was fake, I didn't know that I could last much longer without more people calling it fake as well, which might've ruined the chance to grab reactions.
Analyzing interactions on day 1 and letting it shape your scum team is patently stupid in my opinion so youll have to excuse me for not seein any validity to your question despite its punctuation.
Gotta ask this one before anything. To what end? To see if he was lying or not? Then what? It seems to matter so if he wasn't lying your going down one avenue. If he is lying your going down another.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
I'm kind of jumping around here, in a rush.
Why ask this question when you were fishing toward the same result?
They hate us cause they ain't us.