So you want to kill Iso because you don't want to deal with his PR? How does that make any sense? It's not like you just said, "He is faking, so that he can hide behind it as scum and have nobody suspect him because he takes no stances." No, you just want him dead, then blame EP for making huge restrictions. Going off this post, I just can't make sense of your vote. Also, you're completely on the fence if he is faking or not, but you want him dead anyway?!
His repeated spamming of faces made me think he is trying to forcibly show that he "can't post". I brought up the MMM and EP's hosting to mention why I was beginning to think he was faking. At the time, I was on the fence, but the more I read into it, the more I think there is no way EP made a restriction like that. Only two roles I have ever seen be that restrictive to posting style: MMM and Mander's other role in Flame Warriors of posting once per day. The later was revoked because it was considered too restrictive, and this posting restriction of Iso's is by far more restrictive than either of those two.
Now mind you, I faked a posting restriction as scum, and kept mostly everyone save shalako off of my back. Trust me, faking works.
What he's saying is, TCM is showing interest in other players based on other's opinions of them. The first sentence seems like TCM reserves the right to change his mind in case his vote needs to be moved, and the second one waffles on an opinion of k-j, which is actually relevant.
I'm in agreement with Iso. Lets see where this one goes. unvote, vote The Cold Monarch
How the hell do you get that off of Iso? I have a town read on KJ, one of the few who want Iso (I don't know if I was the first or not), and only Flew, I am agreeing with on because he is one of two players in this game I really have no idea about the meta.
And lol in agreement with Iso. All he did is underline some of my responses, two of which were directed at manders. Not sure how your response even remotely resembles that.
I have a town read on KJ, one of the few who want Iso (I don't know if I was the first or not), and only Flew, I am agreeing with on because he is one of two players in this game I really have no idea about the meta.
No, I'd like to see you answer it. The addendum you made read like an unnecessary attempt to discredit.
Hahahaha
Especially if you've done it once == it could have just been dumb luck. If I guess what my quarter is going to land on with its next flip, it does not mean that I can predict the future. If I'm able to predict it a significant number of times, that might lend credence to my precognition, otherwise, it's much more likely to be dumb luck.
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I wanted to know if she was faking the PR, because I believe her to be lying about it. I mean, what is the point of it? PR's are meant to make communicating difficult, so that the player has to think creatively, and rewards them for staying inside it. OR, it's is meant to make funny posts, Cyan's rhyming posts for instance.
That PR is neither, and it's completely ambiguous in it's restrictions and penalties. So I don't buy it, and I think she is faking it to look more town. Not something to gun for a lynch for, but I have Manders as leaning scum.
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So you want to kill Iso because you don't want to deal with his PR? How does that make any sense? It's not like you just said, "He is faking, so that he can hide behind it as scum and have nobody suspect him because he takes no stances." No, you just want him dead, then blame EP for making huge restrictions. Going off this post, I just can't make sense of your vote. Also, you're completely on the fence if he is faking or not, but you want him dead anyway?!
I see nothing but town tells coming from that TCM post. He's showing actual involvement in a key issue currently in the game and actually posting about it. That town TCM behavior, not scum.
And lol in agreement with Iso. All he did is underline some of my responses, two of which were directed at manders. Not sure how your response even remotely resembles that.
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Oh, that's a wrong answer. Johnny, what do we have for our contestant?
Seriously, you said I was hiding behind my PR long after you tried to catch me in a gotcha. Try again.
I don't know WHAT you're hiding. But it feels like you're hiding something.
Given what my PR is, there isn't anything they could do. But you didn't know that at the time, now, did you?
No i didn't. You did though. And you still tried to cover it up despite there being no way anything could be done to you to prevent you from posting correctly, nor was there any benefit to the scum knowing the nature of your PR.
Well, duh. It's practically the same PR.
So, then your defense of "He wasn't in Redux, so it's unlikely he's faking" is bad, since he was in Amnesia. As were you. You both were exposed to the same PR, you knew he was, and yet you came to his defense implying that he's never seen that PR.
In fact....
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Ooh, yeah, loran did something similar for Silent Prophet in Amnesia Mafia. Just a sec...
You did remember Amnesia. You knew he would have seen it. What's up with that?
I think you think he's faking, and either that you think he's your scumbuddy, or you're trying to buddy him. I still like my vote on Zionite for now, but FOS Manders.
Wait, so you're just willing to believe him, but not me?
Why?
I have no reason to believe he's faking. Or rather, for accuracy's sake, I have no way of knowing it. He has so far done nothing inconsistent to make my doubt his PR's validity. You have, more than once. Also, you were not as forthcoming as him. (He really doesn't have a choice, but still).
Some thoughts:
" PR In Action">
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I don't know if he's town or scum and, atm, I don't care. It's utter bull**** for anyone to be gunning for him right now. I've HAD his role. That **** is hard. I will not let him be lynched while he can't contribute easily if he's going to be able to later in the game.
So, you claimed that your PR is that you have to act "super nice" which means to me that your posts should read like a little old granny is offering me freshly baked cookies while posting in Mafia. (When I think super nice, I think overly helpful granny type. That's just me).
This is not super nice. Not even close. But I see no mention of missing your PR due to this. I find that odd.
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As for the "I don't give a rat's ass" part, that's because I don't give a rat's ass if people don't like that I'm defending Iso. Lynching him today is the stupidest thing anyone could ever propose, and that's all there is to it.
Your use of the phrase "I don't give a rat's ass" further exacerbates my suspicions of you. I imagine your PR like Flews, in that he needs to reword his thoughts to fit his PR. You just aren't doing that.
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Are you out of your mind?
We dealt with you rhyming terribly in Flame Warriors. (That was fake, right? I think I remember it being fake.) He has tools that he can use to communicate a little more effectively, and it will only last a day.
You will back off or be ignored.
And here you start with "Are you our of your mind?" and end the quote with a threat. Again, not supernice.
I think at this point it's pretty obvious you're lying about a number of things. I see no reason to lie about being a PR in this manner as town. You are scum. Get lynched.
Hahahaha, why?
It was one of the worst, most opportunistic votes I've ever seen. Add that to the bad feeling he was giving me already, and there ya go.
Really? Your vote on kill-joy was about as scummy as they come. So much so, that I'm slightly doubting it was a scum action because it was so obviously scummy. I have trouble imagining a scum player that thinks that sort of post is a good idea.
So, wait... You think he's acting so obviously scummy, he MUST be town? This sounds like logic, but it really isn't. And it's bad to boot.
Enough for you to get a FOS atlseal as well.
What makes it feel forced?
Her defense of Iso seems over the top. I've seen her do this before, but never to this extent.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
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The evil in this game comes from a cult-like scum team. The leader is in full control of the group, the others in the group do not know each other are or who the leader is, and alignments may or may not change through the course of the game.
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
The evil in this game comes from a cult-like scum team. The leader is in full control of the group, the others in the group do not know each other are or who the leader is, and alignments may or may not change through the course of the game.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I think you think he's faking, and either that you think he's your scumbuddy, or you're trying to buddy him. I still like my vote on Zionite for now, but FOS Manders.
Let's ignore the fact that you're trying to state what you believe Manders' mindset is as fact and just go straight to the jump in logic that is never justified nor explained.
As for your whole [spoiler=The "Super Nice" PR In Action], it's a bunch of crap, but it was good for a laugh.
So, wait... You think he's acting so obviously scummy, he MUST be town? This sounds like logic, but it really isn't. And it's bad to boot.
Enough for you to get a FOS atlseal as well.
You're putting words in my mouth that were never written. I said that what he posted sounds so scummy that I can't see any self-aware scum posting something that atrocious. The mindset that went behind it is what I see being impossible to be scum. I'm going the level below what's posted to what a player is thinking when they post something. That's the layer at which you will catch scum.
The less I post? What does that mean? Are you saying I'm not posting much? And the lack of posting has bearing on my alignment?
What are we to think, then when we consider that at the time of this post, you have 5 posts, and I have 20?
Thank you for trying to shift blame. This is not an argument this is deflection.
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
Manders is probably town. When she's town, her alignment has this thing it does where it jumps out at you.
Heh, not to everyone. *glares @ Seppel*
Arcadic feels opportunistic in his attack on kill-joy in 200. k-j is what could be regarded as an "easy target", as he's made a bad attack. What does really get me is Arcadic's response to atlseal's follow-up question in 206 - Arcadic says that his post wasn't particularly strong and that he was "struggling to phrase his feelings, but back in 200 he is attacking k-j strongly and none of the explanations seem at all complicated (fishing, dirt-throwing, etc). Reserving judgment here, though, since atl's question seems like a dangerous one to go around asking.
Here's the thing: while Arcadic DOES go for the easy kill when he's scum, he doesn't do it in an opportunistic way. He goes full on after them. The fact that he's not doing that tells me he is likely town.
I wanted to know if she was faking the PR, because I believe her to be lying about it. I mean, what is the point of it? PR's are meant to make communicating difficult, so that the player has to think creatively, and rewards them for staying inside it. OR, it's is meant to make funny posts, Cyan's rhyming posts for instance.
As Ced has already pointed out, you're wrong. Plenty of mods include not very restrictive PRs for their own entertainment or simply because they fit the flavor of the character they're attached to.
For instance, I would like to make a horror themed game one day and would include a PR of someone who has to post as if from a position of utter fear.
That PR is neither, and it's completely ambiguous in it's restrictions and penalties. So I don't buy it, and I think she is faking it to look more town. Not something to gun for a lynch for, but I have Manders as leaning scum.
While I don't know the penalties, I do know the restrictions, and I'm sure EP has already fleshed out the penalties. However, even if I were lying about it, there's no reason to assume that I were doing so because I were scum, so how's about you analyze my behavior other than the PR, hmmm?
Because I believe you are lying about it, see reasoning above.
I've refuted this. See above. Hahahaha.
More like trying to figure out more details about her PR. That could be taken as fishing, but it was to give me more of an idea to see if she was lying about the PR. I'm not really taking a stance in that post, but I have now.
I seriously don't see what it would matter if I were lying about it, but whatever. Every one of you attacking me for "lying about her PR" are coming across as opportunistic scum.
So you want to kill Iso because you don't want to deal with his PR? How does that make any sense? It's not like you just said, "He is faking, so that he can hide behind it as scum and have nobody suspect him because he takes no stances." No, you just want him dead, then blame EP for making huge restrictions. Going off this post, I just can't make sense of your vote. Also, you're completely on the fence if he is faking or not, but you want him dead anyway?!
It's interesting that you're convinced that I'm lying about my PR, but you just accept Iso's. I think you're doing so because you're afraid to attract his attention.
You're defending Iso very hard. I think he can do that himself, despite his PR.
I see nothing but town tells coming from that TCM post. He's showing actual involvement in a key issue currently in the game and actually posting about it. That town TCM behavior, not scum.
Actually, I've seen him do that as scum plenty. Do you have evidence that he only does so as town?
I don't know WHAT you're hiding. But it feels like you're hiding something.
Goddamn it, come to the same part of the world I'm in and answer the question.
You said I am hiding behind my PR. Not that I am hiding something, but that I am hiding behind my PR.
Back up this statement with quotes showing me what makes you think that right now. Either that, or admit that you made it up to cast suspicion on me.
No i didn't. You did though. And you still tried to cover it up despite there being no way anything could be done to you to prevent you from posting correctly, nor was there any benefit to the scum knowing the nature of your PR.
And? What part of that makes me scum?
I didn't want scum knowing anything about the intricacies of my PR.
So, then your defense of "He wasn't in Redux, so it's unlikely he's faking" is bad, since he was in Amnesia. As were you. You both were exposed to the same PR, you knew he was, and yet you came to his defense implying that he's never seen that PR.
For whatever reason, I didn't link his PR to the faked one in Amnesia. Probably because I eliminated that PR as an actual PR since, you know, IT WAS FAKED.
In fact....
You did remember Amnesia. You knew he would have seen it. What's up with that?
See above.
I have no reason to believe he's faking. Or rather, for accuracy's sake, I have no way of knowing it. He has so far done nothing inconsistent to make my doubt his PR's validity. You have, more than once. Also, you were not as forthcoming as him. (He really doesn't have a choice, but still).
Do you not recognize the hypocrisy here? You have no reason to believe I'm faking, either. You just decided to attack me for my PR.
As for him not being inconsistent, you apparently remember Amnesia. How many days did it take me to fulfill my moniker due to needing to post just one question in each post? Oh, right, I never ****ing did it because I ended up having to replace out.
I forget to do **** when I have a restriction. Doesn't mean I'm lying or scum.
The "Super Nice" PR In Action
So, you claimed that your PR is that you have to act "super nice" which means to me that your posts should read like a little old granny is offering me freshly baked cookies while posting in Mafia. (When I think super nice, I think overly helpful granny type. That's just me).
No. YOU claimed that my PR is to act "super nice". I said I had specific instructions on what I have to say in every post. Specifically, I have to start each post with, "Oh, hi <insert player's name>" and include "hahaha" at least once a post.
I never said I had to post super nice, and I've told you before you were wrong in your assumption. You are ignoring what I say when it goes against your plan.
This is not super nice. Not even close. But I see no mention of missing your PR due to this. I find that odd.
Again, because "being super nice" has nothing to do with my PR.
Your use of the phrase "I don't give a rat's ass" further exacerbates my suspicions of you. I imagine your PR like Flews, in that he needs to reword his thoughts to fit his PR. You just aren't doing that.
You're making a lot of assumptions about my PR and ignoring what I've put into the thread. I think I'm about done talking to you.
And here you start with "Are you our of your mind?" and end the quote with a threat. Again, not supernice.
I think at this point it's pretty obvious you're lying about a number of things. I see no reason to lie about being a PR in this manner as town. You are scum. Get lynched.
The less I post? What does that mean? Are you saying I'm not posting much? And the lack of posting has bearing on my alignment?
What are we to think, then when we consider that at the time of this post, you have 5 posts, and I have 20?
Thanks for ZOMGUSing me.
@manders
My experience with TIK TCM says he doesn't pay as much attention when he's scum. Its entirely possible my sample does not match yours, but so far i am only seeing typical TIK town stuff.
Wait, how would that make him town? So you think he's scum if there's only 3?
Well, he seemed to imply pretty strongly that he believed there are three scum (cf. "If I had a fourth spot..."). I don't see him, as a member of a 4-man scum-team, deliberately saying something like that. Given the cult-like nature of the scum team though, I would say that KJ is probably not scum (no reason to be so certain of a 3-person team) but if he is then he's the "leader".
inb4 there's a mechanic where you have to call out specific voting "errors"
Unvote Iso, Vote Seppel.
His last three-four posts have added absolutely nothing to the discussion at hand. No surpirse that he begins to dislike atlseal, considering he is the only person to really call him out on this useless clutter.
Your question seems like one that has a tendency to get a vunerable answer, but not necessarily a scummy one. For that matter, what was your opinion of his answer first time around? It surprises me that you didn't follow your question up, then proceed to instead barn my own analysis of it.
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Modgod, is that votecount correct?
When I first read his response, it was actually what I was expecting, so I didn't put much more thought into it. I was more or less making sure that he didn't think he made a persuasive post. When you made your analysis of the post, I thought you actually made a good point about the assertiveness of it. Hence, I agreed.
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
His last three-four posts have added absolutely nothing to the discussion at hand. No surpirse that he begins to dislike atlseal, considering he is the only person to really call him out on this useless clutter.
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Mmmk, I'm going to drop the limerick responses, since they are definitely stopping me talking more about you, which is something I'd very much like to do at this moment.
At last, I'm glad it's over
It was both hard to read and hard to answer
Well, if you do this a lot, then I'd like to see at least a few links to posts of yours in other games.
I don't keep track of them
There are some I don't even recall the name
You can look at Goo,
Maybe at H2G2
I play more often on another site
That is french-speaking in its own right
I must also ask you on something that I still don't get - why Shalako? You say that your original accusation "wasn't even close to an accusation." So what was it about Shalako that motivated you down this path in the first place? I assume there must be something, seeing as you seem pretty affronted in 173 about not getting a reaction from him specifically (not recognizing the fact that you got one from me instead?).
I did recognize it when I say
"You (ced) screw it right away"
As for the "Why Shalako" that's simply
Because this sentence sounded a little bit scummy
I wanted to check it his reaction would confirm
Or the opposite, then my vote would be short term
Another thing: in 175, you wonder if the PR discussion is "completely scum-driven." This looks like an accusation to me (and a completely unfocused one at that - it's getting assigned to a group of people you don't even name). Are you referring to anything in particular with it?
Nope, but scum-driven rhymed, and
I thought this discussion would give the scum a hand
It's not useful to town, so it's all a loss
I think we have other topic we can come across
One final thing: While you have been lamenting others for discussing PRs rather than scumhunting (singling out Anak in 154 and a more general notice in 175), you yourself haven't done a lot of scumhunting and have even partaken in some PR discussion yourself (in 154). Would you say that this is accurate? Explain why/why not.
The part where I speak of Iso was a joke
I do think PR talk is like a curtain of smoke
But I am willing to scumhunt and read
I am just not in the mood of taking on the lead
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Iso is trying to say something, and I don't see why you wouldn't want to figure it out.
Especially since he's voting you.
This is totally true
Because if you are blue
You should be able to ask, instead of hute
Someone who is apparently completely mute
I am more curious about Flew at this point, as a couple players veered interest at him, and I have never seen him as a scum role (spectated Goo, and Homestar he was town). Does anyone know a good Flew scum game?[/COLOR]
Only scum game in here was Asterix Mafia
It was basic 16, I had a good karma
("Karma" was just for the rhyme, I know that was lame...
However we indeed won this mafia game)
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Flew needs to get in here. He's posted in other games.
What? I don't play in any mafia game
I'm only modding boardgame
And my last post is even further
As far as I can remember...
His last three-four posts have added absolutely nothing to the discussion at hand. No surpirse that he begins to dislike atlseal, considering he is the only person to really call him out on this useless clutter.
His last three-four posts have added absolutely nothing to the discussion at hand. No surpirse that he begins to dislike atlseal, considering he is the only person to really call him out on this useless clutter.
Show me where atlseal called him out on anything. I must have missed it.
I did recognize it when I say
"You (ced) screw it right away"
As for the "Why Shalako" that's simply
Because this sentence sounded a little bit scummy
I wanted to check it his reaction would confirm
Or the opposite, then my vote would be short term
At first you called Shalako's certainty about Manders scummy (#154), then you said it was not an accusation (read: you didn't find him scummy) but rather an attempt to stir discussion (#173), now the original statement was scummy again? Which is it?
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What? I don't play in any mafia game
I'm only modding boardgame
And my last post is even further
As far as I can remember...
My bad. I mistook the game you were modding for a game you were playing in.
How is that relevant to anything? Your question just serves to spam the thread with more useless clutter.
Manders
This is the quote I was referring to. I am not saying he is calling Seppel scum, but he makes the point that Seppel is really not contributing to the thread.
MandersThis is the quote I was referring to. I am not saying he is calling Seppel scum, but he makes the point that Seppel is really not contributing to the thread.
Except that the question atlseal claimed was "useless chatter" was actually a relevant question. Hence me also requesting that atlseal answer it.
Please point me where he makes valuable input. I have seen a lot of useless posts, such as the one I quoted, as well as many others.
Well, yeah, of course there's some. This is Seppel we're talking about, hahaha. And, it's still early. You and I both know his real content will come later.
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Both atlseal and TCM are jumping all over the place. TCM more than atlseal, but TCM seems to just have misplaced anger.
I would ask you to clarify what you mean, as I have only targeted you and your brother, but that would clearly be a waste of breath. And I don't get angry. Albeit, I am frustrated that appears you are getting a pass because your you.
Well, yeah, of course there's some. This is Seppel we're talking about, hahaha. And, it's still early. You and I both know his real content will come later.
I won't support a lynch on Seppel
You have the highest post count, but you couldn't take a single second to graze for a single post of his content, and pretty much support the "its Seppel being Seppel argument"? I would expect better from you, Manders.
The bolded also bothers me. Essentially another player you are unwilling to consider for lynch, simply because they might give content later.
Well, yeah, of course there's some. This is Seppel we're talking about, hahaha. And, it's still early. You and I both know his real content will come later.
I would ask you to clarify what you mean, as I have only targeted you and your brother, but that would clearly be a waste of breath. And I don't get angry. Albeit, I am frustrated that appears you are getting a pass because your you.
You had a short-lived tiff with atlseal also. I would've read you as buddies in a heartbeat, given how fast it was dropped and how quickly you ignored each other, but you've been expressing your usual townie anger frustration (albeit much earlier than you normally do).
The reality of what is going on in the game is far different from your perception.
The problem here is that "spoken" and "driven" don't rhyme. They might both end with '-en' but the sounds in both words are completely different. Meanwhile, "spoken" rhymes with (both of the top of my head) "broken" and "token" easily.
So, what you're essentially saying is that you chose a word which a) doesn't rhyme (although it is probably close enough to satisfy a PR); and b) doesn't accurately convey what you want to say.
To rhyme, you only need to make the last syllable the same, therefore, "spoken" and "driven" rhyme. It's not even slant rhyme, where you're allowed to rhyme -en with -on, for example.
Such are the joys of being wed to an English graduate and Creative Writing Master.
The bolded bit confuses me. What made you think that he "didn't think he made a persuasive post" in the first place? What else does that tell you?
I can't remember my specific mindset when I was phrasing the question, all I can remember is that the bolded was the gist of it, sorry. I do remember that there was a specific reason I phrased it that way and that his answer was the type of answer I was looking for, so it was more or less out of sight out of mind until you brought it back up again.
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
Not sure if it's "driv-en" or "dri-ven", but it's definitely "spo-ken". Besides, merely reading the two lines (a good metric for checking rhymes, no?) makes it clear that the rhyme is tenuous at best.
His repeated spamming of faces made me think he is trying to forcibly show that he "can't post". I brought up the MMM and EP's hosting to mention why I was beginning to think he was faking. At the time, I was on the fence, but the more I read into it, the more I think there is no way EP made a restriction like that. Only two roles I have ever seen be that restrictive to posting style: MMM and Mander's other role in Flame Warriors of posting once per day. The later was revoked because it was considered too restrictive, and this posting restriction of Iso's is by far more restrictive than either of those two.
Now mind you, I faked a posting restriction as scum, and kept mostly everyone save shalako off of my back. Trust me, faking works.
How the hell do you get that off of Iso? I have a town read on KJ, one of the few who want Iso (I don't know if I was the first or not), and only Flew, I am agreeing with on because he is one of two players in this game I really have no idea about the meta.
And lol in agreement with Iso. All he did is underline some of my responses, two of which were directed at manders. Not sure how your response even remotely resembles that.
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what
Not unless you want to expand upon it.
How many times have you done it?
How is that relevant to anything? Your question just serves to spam the thread with more useless clutter.
No, I'd like to see you answer it. The addendum you made read like an unnecessary attempt to discredit.
Hahahaha
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Especially if you've done it once == it could have just been dumb luck. If I guess what my quarter is going to land on with its next flip, it does not mean that I can predict the future. If I'm able to predict it a significant number of times, that might lend credence to my precognition, otherwise, it's much more likely to be dumb luck.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I don't know WHAT you're hiding. But it feels like you're hiding something.
No i didn't. You did though. And you still tried to cover it up despite there being no way anything could be done to you to prevent you from posting correctly, nor was there any benefit to the scum knowing the nature of your PR.
So, then your defense of "He wasn't in Redux, so it's unlikely he's faking" is bad, since he was in Amnesia. As were you. You both were exposed to the same PR, you knew he was, and yet you came to his defense implying that he's never seen that PR.
In fact....
You did remember Amnesia. You knew he would have seen it. What's up with that?
I think you think he's faking, and either that you think he's your scumbuddy, or you're trying to buddy him. I still like my vote on Zionite for now, but FOS Manders.
I have no reason to believe he's faking. Or rather, for accuracy's sake, I have no way of knowing it. He has so far done nothing inconsistent to make my doubt his PR's validity. You have, more than once. Also, you were not as forthcoming as him. (He really doesn't have a choice, but still).
Some thoughts:
So, you claimed that your PR is that you have to act "super nice" which means to me that your posts should read like a little old granny is offering me freshly baked cookies while posting in Mafia. (When I think super nice, I think overly helpful granny type. That's just me).
This is not super nice. Not even close. But I see no mention of missing your PR due to this. I find that odd.
Your use of the phrase "I don't give a rat's ass" further exacerbates my suspicions of you. I imagine your PR like Flews, in that he needs to reword his thoughts to fit his PR. You just aren't doing that.
And here you start with "Are you our of your mind?" and end the quote with a threat. Again, not supernice.
I think at this point it's pretty obvious you're lying about a number of things. I see no reason to lie about being a PR in this manner as town. You are scum. Get lynched.
It was one of the worst, most opportunistic votes I've ever seen. Add that to the bad feeling he was giving me already, and there ya go.
I'm still not sure what you're having trouble with.
So, wait... You think he's acting so obviously scummy, he MUST be town? This sounds like logic, but it really isn't. And it's bad to boot.
Enough for you to get a FOS atlseal as well.
Her defense of Iso seems over the top. I've seen her do this before, but never to this extent.
The less I post? What does that mean? Are you saying I'm not posting much? And the lack of posting has bearing on my alignment?
What are we to think, then when we consider that at the time of this post, you have 5 posts, and I have 20?
Did this come out as intended?
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Scum:
Zionite
Manders
Arcadic
if I had a forth spot, it would go to atlseal.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
If I had to guess, I'd say 4. 25% of the total is the norm.
oh god are you serious
:teach::teach::teach:
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
What Iso means to say is: You didn't read the front page.
But this kinda goes toward evidence showing you perhaps aren't one of these roles, so I like that.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
To be honest, I had no idea either.
Maybe I should read the rules huh.
Let's ignore the fact that you're trying to state what you believe Manders' mindset is as fact and just go straight to the jump in logic that is never justified nor explained.
As for your whole [spoiler=The "Super Nice" PR In Action], it's a bunch of crap, but it was good for a laugh.
You're putting words in my mouth that were never written. I said that what he posted sounds so scummy that I can't see any self-aware scum posting something that atrocious. The mindset that went behind it is what I see being impossible to be scum. I'm going the level below what's posted to what a player is thinking when they post something. That's the layer at which you will catch scum.
Thank you for trying to shift blame. This is not an argument this is deflection.
Woot.
Were you a part of this conversation?
Hahaha, I think I meant to respond to this, but forgot? Not sure. But I saw where atlseal responded and it reminded me.
Heh, not to everyone. *glares @ Seppel*
Here's the thing: while Arcadic DOES go for the easy kill when he's scum, he doesn't do it in an opportunistic way. He goes full on after them. The fact that he's not doing that tells me he is likely town.
And, again, I've never read him wrong.
As Ced has already pointed out, you're wrong. Plenty of mods include not very restrictive PRs for their own entertainment or simply because they fit the flavor of the character they're attached to.
For instance, I would like to make a horror themed game one day and would include a PR of someone who has to post as if from a position of utter fear.
While I don't know the penalties, I do know the restrictions, and I'm sure EP has already fleshed out the penalties. However, even if I were lying about it, there's no reason to assume that I were doing so because I were scum, so how's about you analyze my behavior other than the PR, hmmm?
I've refuted this. See above. Hahahaha.
I seriously don't see what it would matter if I were lying about it, but whatever. Every one of you attacking me for "lying about her PR" are coming across as opportunistic scum.
It's interesting that you're convinced that I'm lying about my PR, but you just accept Iso's. I think you're doing so because you're afraid to attract his attention.
Hahaha, ask me if I care?
Actually, I've seen him do that as scum plenty. Do you have evidence that he only does so as town?
Hahahaha, nothing, which is why he's failed to mention a goddamn thing about me other than my PR.
He's rubbing me the wrong way as well.
Goddamn it, come to the same part of the world I'm in and answer the question.
You said I am hiding behind my PR. Not that I am hiding something, but that I am hiding behind my PR.
Back up this statement with quotes showing me what makes you think that right now. Either that, or admit that you made it up to cast suspicion on me.
And? What part of that makes me scum?
I didn't want scum knowing anything about the intricacies of my PR.
For whatever reason, I didn't link his PR to the faked one in Amnesia. Probably because I eliminated that PR as an actual PR since, you know, IT WAS FAKED.
See above.
Do you not recognize the hypocrisy here? You have no reason to believe I'm faking, either. You just decided to attack me for my PR.
As for him not being inconsistent, you apparently remember Amnesia. How many days did it take me to fulfill my moniker due to needing to post just one question in each post? Oh, right, I never ****ing did it because I ended up having to replace out.
I forget to do **** when I have a restriction. Doesn't mean I'm lying or scum.
No. YOU claimed that my PR is to act "super nice". I said I had specific instructions on what I have to say in every post. Specifically, I have to start each post with, "Oh, hi <insert player's name>" and include "hahaha" at least once a post.
I never said I had to post super nice, and I've told you before you were wrong in your assumption. You are ignoring what I say when it goes against your plan.
Again, because "being super nice" has nothing to do with my PR.
You're making a lot of assumptions about my PR and ignoring what I've put into the thread. I think I'm about done talking to you.
Yup, done talking to you. You get lynched.
Wait, how would that make him town? So you think he's scum if there's only 3?
I didn't know that, either.
Indeed. Nice to know you did know it. But so did Iso.
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kill-joy - 3 atlseal, MandersHex, Arcadic
Iso - 2 The Cold Monarch, Shalako
Flew - 2 ced395, TheIceMan
The Cold Monarch - 2 Iso, Zionite
Zionite - 1 kill-joy
WITH 16 ALIVE IT TAKES 9 TO LYNCH
Thanks for ZOMGUSing me.
@manders
My experience with TIK TCM says he doesn't pay as much attention when he's scum. Its entirely possible my sample does not match yours, but so far i am only seeing typical TIK town stuff.
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Do not make me post this again.
Well, he seemed to imply pretty strongly that he believed there are three scum (cf. "If I had a fourth spot..."). I don't see him, as a member of a 4-man scum-team, deliberately saying something like that. Given the cult-like nature of the scum team though, I would say that KJ is probably not scum (no reason to be so certain of a 3-person team) but if he is then he's the "leader".
I asked you specifically if the count on kill-joy was correct, so can you answer that please?
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Unvote Iso, Vote Seppel.
His last three-four posts have added absolutely nothing to the discussion at hand. No surpirse that he begins to dislike atlseal, considering he is the only person to really call him out on this useless clutter.
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When I first read his response, it was actually what I was expecting, so I didn't put much more thought into it. I was more or less making sure that he didn't think he made a persuasive post. When you made your analysis of the post, I thought you actually made a good point about the assertiveness of it. Hence, I agreed.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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Now I have a bit more of time to spend
At last, I'm glad it's over
It was both hard to read and hard to answer
I don't keep track of them
There are some I don't even recall the name
You can look at Goo,
Maybe at H2G2
I play more often on another site
That is french-speaking in its own right
I did recognize it when I say
"You (ced) screw it right away"
As for the "Why Shalako" that's simply
Because this sentence sounded a little bit scummy
I wanted to check it his reaction would confirm
Or the opposite, then my vote would be short term
Nope, but scum-driven rhymed, and
I thought this discussion would give the scum a hand
It's not useful to town, so it's all a loss
I think we have other topic we can come across
The part where I speak of Iso was a joke
I do think PR talk is like a curtain of smoke
But I am willing to scumhunt and read
I am just not in the mood of taking on the lead
This is totally true
Because if you are blue
You should be able to ask, instead of hute
Someone who is apparently completely mute
Only scum game in here was Asterix Mafia
It was basic 16, I had a good karma
("Karma" was just for the rhyme, I know that was lame...
However we indeed won this mafia game)
What? I don't play in any mafia game
I'm only modding boardgame
And my last post is even further
As far as I can remember...
[The Family] pressed the "lynch" button, thinking it was labeled "lunch" .
are we playing the same game
Show me where atlseal called him out on anything. I must have missed it.
I see it.
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Hahaha, my thoughts, exactly.
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At first you called Shalako's certainty about Manders scummy (#154), then you said it was not an accusation (read: you didn't find him scummy) but rather an attempt to stir discussion (#173), now the original statement was scummy again? Which is it?
My bad. I mistook the game you were modding for a game you were playing in.
Manders
This is the quote I was referring to. I am not saying he is calling Seppel scum, but he makes the point that Seppel is really not contributing to the thread.
Please point me where he makes valuable input. I have seen a lot of useless posts, such as the one I quoted, as well as many others.
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(I got confirmation I can do this. :D)
Except that the question atlseal claimed was "useless chatter" was actually a relevant question. Hence me also requesting that atlseal answer it.
Well, yeah, of course there's some. This is Seppel we're talking about, hahaha. And, it's still early. You and I both know his real content will come later.
I won't support a lynch on Seppel.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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I would ask you to clarify what you mean, as I have only targeted you and your brother, but that would clearly be a waste of breath. And I don't get angry. Albeit, I am frustrated that appears you are getting a pass because your you.
Sure buddy.
You have the highest post count, but you couldn't take a single second to graze for a single post of his content, and pretty much support the "its Seppel being Seppel argument"? I would expect better from you, Manders.
The bolded also bothers me. Essentially another player you are unwilling to consider for lynch, simply because they might give content later.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
>implying that my content has been fake content
You had a short-lived tiff with atlseal also. I would've read you as buddies in a heartbeat, given how fast it was dropped and how quickly you ignored each other, but you've been expressing your usual townie
angerfrustration (albeit much earlier than you normally do).The reality of what is going on in the game is far different from your perception.
To rhyme, you only need to make the last syllable the same, therefore, "spoken" and "driven" rhyme. It's not even slant rhyme, where you're allowed to rhyme -en with -on, for example.
Such are the joys of being wed to an English graduate and Creative Writing Master.
I'd love to know your definition of 'jumping all over the place'.
I can't remember my specific mindset when I was phrasing the question, all I can remember is that the bolded was the gist of it, sorry. I do remember that there was a specific reason I phrased it that way and that his answer was the type of answer I was looking for, so it was more or less out of sight out of mind until you brought it back up again.
kill-joy - 3 atlseal, MandersHex, Arcadic
Flew - 2 ced395, TheIceMan
The Cold Monarch - 2 Iso, Zionite
Iso - 1 Shalako
Zionite - 1 kill-joy
Seppel - 1 The Cold Monarch
WITH 16 ALIVE IT TAKES 9 TO LYNCH
Then it's slant rhyme and still valid.
Half the time it's like you're making fluff posts about being poor and the rest of the time you've hopped from kill-joy to TCM to me.
I'm going to call people on crap, doesn't necessarily mean I think they're scum. With kill-joy, yeah, it does. With you and TCM, no it doesn't.