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Plus, if you call out possible scum tells too early, and then that player stops doing it, it's hard to tell whether it was an innocent mistake, or if that player is scum who was just given directions on how to blend in better. [/QUOTE]
Interesting strategy.
However as we are nearing the end of day one I hope you don't plan on holding information like this in because I don't want to make my decision without all the facts.
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However as we are nearing the end of day one I hope you don't plan on holding information like this in because I don't want to make my decision without all the facts.
We are nowhere near the end of Day One!
We just exited RVS, and two players are V/LA until Tuesday.
I agree with this, with the exception being, Gamora backed down extremely quick with little pushback from anyone.
I'd like to hear more about his change of heart.
Sure thing. After rereading post 65 by Arnarria in the context of the conversation and considering the fact that it had been pointed by other people that fence-sitting isn`t that uncommon for him it started to look like my argument was a little convaluted(I was trying to argue that by mentioning that he has hard time taking a stance he might be just trying to set up a cover to sit back and not take a side on anyone in this game). It became more apparent to me that the simplest answer was that he just made a standard comment about his previous play.
This, by no means, eliminates him as possible scum in my mind but it now comes off more as a null tell.
Oh, if you want to know my posting style (no big multiquotes, short, succinct, and often) its because I play on an iPad and the program I use makes it hard to scroll and multiquote.
So, if you ever ask me for a PBPA, I can only do it when I have access to my desktop in the morning or evening.
No, what I'd like to see is a complete town/scum list with reasons, please. Posting style isn't indicative of alignment to me.
Sure thing. After rereading post 65 by Arnarria in the context of the conversation and considering the fact that it had been pointed by other people that fence-sitting isn`t that uncommon for him it started to look like my argument was a little convaluted(I was trying to argue that by mentioning that he has hard time taking a stance he might be just trying to set up a cover to sit back and not take a side on anyone in this game). It became more apparent to me that the simplest answer was that he just made a standard comment about his previous play.
This, by no means, eliminates him as possible scum in my mind but it now comes off more as a null tell.
We will have to see. If arnarria just banwagons/lurks then then this quote, will be a big scum tell. If not then I agree null tell.
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Sure thing. After rereading post 65 by Arnarria in the context of the conversation and considering the fact that it had been pointed by other people that fence-sitting isn`t that uncommon for him it started to look like my argument was a little convaluted(I was trying to argue that by mentioning that he has hard time taking a stance he might be just trying to set up a cover to sit back and not take a side on anyone in this game). It became more apparent to me that the simplest answer was that he just made a standard comment about his previous play.
This, by no means, eliminates him as possible scum in my mind but it now comes off more as a null tell.
So how does everyone feel about the fact that we have at least two players who have said nothing besides their orginal /confirmation post? Miracule being one. I'm on my phone so flipping to pull the names is a little difficult ATM.
So how does everyone feel about the fact that we have at least two players who have said nothing besides their orginal /confirmation post? Miracule being one. I'm on my phone so flipping to pull the names is a little difficult ATM.
I`m don`t recall any of the people with just one post(Zenjo, Miracule, and Gigas1) mentioning any v/la. If they are actually available it would be nice to
get their opinions on what`s gone on so far.
I drove 8 hours back to college today, which is why I haven't posted yet. That, and this is my first game and I don't feel like I'm very good at 'reading' people yet.
I see several things that might be considered scummy, but they have been defended well. I'll probably have to re-read everything a few times before I actually see something. Truthfully I feel a bit lost.
I drove 8 hours back to college today, which is why I haven't posted yet. That, and this is my first game and I don't feel like I'm very good at 'reading' people yet.
I see several things that might be considered scummy, but they have been defended well. I'll probably have to re-read everything a few times before I actually see something. Truthfully I feel a bit lost.
Yeah I know what you mean on the "lost" part. Sometimes when I'm playing this game I feel like I'm throwing darts with a blindfold on. Maybe a mentor could help.
I drove 8 hours back to college today, which is why I haven't posted yet. That, and this is my first game and I don't feel like I'm very good at 'reading' people yet.
I see several things that might be considered scummy, but they have been defended well. I'll probably have to re-read everything a few times before I actually see something. Truthfully I feel a bit lost.
I'm starting to get some not so warm & fuzzy feelings about a few people, but since it's the first day, honestly there isn't a lot to go on at this point...I don't entirely trust this, but will make note of it.
In the previous Gamora vs. Arnnaria bit. I'm a bit like Arnnaria. I like to read, and re-read posts (I tend to miss things), watch interactions then discuss opinions. Unfortunately in Mafia that usually = fence sitting. :\
There are several people I don't even have a start on reading yet either.
Ok, I think I found something. Chickenfish puts up an elaborate post defending his joke vote. The thing is, there were quite a few joke votes being thrown around at the same time and they didn't need such an explanation.
Then his response to KCC's waiting to tell why she voted him.
Kitty, if this is an attempt to create discussion about people other than yourself, it's terrible. The reason I say this is it just looks like you want others to do your dirty work, saying "why they think you voted for me", so you can say "yep, that's it".
If you think I'm scum, or are at least getting more scum vibes from me than anyone else and want others' opinions, please elaborate instead of delaying
what could be meaningful discussion.
If KCC already said she was going to let some discussion happen about why she voted him, discussion which is good for town, then what is the point in arguing?
Once the KCC gives the reason then you can defend yourself. It's not like your going to get lynched while waiting for KCC to give her reasons.
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Yeah I know what you mean on the "lost" part. Sometimes when I'm playing this game I feel like I'm throwing darts with a blindfold on. Maybe a mentor could help.
I found that opening a notepad and taking notes while re-reading helps a ton. That way as people explain themselves I can keep better track on who looks scummy or not.
I found that opening a notepad and taking notes while re-reading helps a ton. That way as people explain themselves I can keep better track on who looks scummy or not.
<chuckles> I have to agree with you Zen.
As terrible as it sounds, I'm currently putting notes on my phone. That's because I have spring break coming up in about a week. I'll have some access, but may have to resort to phone posting once or twice during that time. I'd rather have all my notes handy
However as we are nearing the end of day one I hope you don't plan on holding information like this in because I don't want to make my decision without all the facts.
I'll share all of my reads before the sun goes down.
Ok, I think I found something. Chickenfish puts up an elaborate post defending his joke vote. The thing is, there were quite a few joke votes being thrown around at the same time and they didn't need such an explanation.
Then his response to KCC's waiting to tell why she voted him.
If KCC already said she was going to let some discussion happen about why she voted him, discussion which is good for town, then what is the point in arguing?
Once the KCC gives the reason then you can defend yourself. It's not like your going to get lynched while waiting for KCC to give her reasons.
FoS:Chickenfish
You have some good observations here. -These aren't my biggest issue with CF, but I like your reasoning.
I found that opening a notepad and taking notes while re-reading helps a ton. That way as people explain themselves I can keep better track on who looks scummy or not.
This is excellent advice. -Notes are very helpful.
If KCC already said she was going to let some discussion happen about why she voted him, discussion which is good for town, then what is the point in arguing?
Once the KCC gives the reason then you can defend yourself. It's not like your going to get lynched while waiting for KCC to give her reasons.
FoS:Chickenfish
The problem with this is that as a towny, I don't think the discussion is good for the town. As I've said earlier I have no reason to believe KCC is doing this because she's scum, and naturally I want to defend my case, so it risks turning the conversation into me vs KCC. With 10 other players out there, even if KCC is scum, that is far too narrow a discussion point on day 1 for my liking.
Also notice how I'm not arguing the vote on me, I'm arguing the method. I have no problem having a vote on me if it generates discussion, but I didn't believe that the way KCC went about it would.
I stand corrected on this point to some extent, though, although once again my concern is that it's largely whether people think KCC's lack of explanation is justified and/or my defensiveness is justified.
Secondly, you're right that if I go through the game without ever explaining anything, you should absolutely kill me, because that's just not how I play. -But, there's a huuuge difference between waiting to explain my reads and never doing it.
I agree, but as I've pointed out previously, you then risk somebody else seeing precisely what you did, and you just saying "Hey, he/she" saw it too, and then it looks like you are just using somebody else's argument.
Plus, if you call out possible scum tells too early, and then that player stops doing it, it's hard to tell whether it was an innocent mistake, or if that player is scum who was just given directions on how to blend in better. And the latter is not something you want to do.
Glad to finally see a definitely towny statement from you. Hard to shake the feeling your play style gives me, and it's a fairly obvious statement to make so maybe null tell, but it definitely makes me feel a bit better about discussing this before voting.
However, you've observed my play style and can already see I tend to over-explain things. If you are find something a bit odd about my play style, it's unlikely that will change through you saying you don't like it.
If you have something that makes you genuinely, genuinely think I'm scum, that's a different story. Just interested to know what I've done to give you that strong an impression rather than just a bit of a tell.
You know, this never happened, right? -I said to wait, not that I wasn't going to explain.
As above, it may as well have if somebody else picks up on what you've apparently noticed. When the time comes for you to enlighten us with what you've noticed, if it's just the same as what somebody else has said in their attempt to guess you may as well have had no case in the first place in my eyes.
However as we are nearing the end of day one I hope you don't plan on holding information like this in because I don't want to make my decision without all the facts.
I understand that. What I meant was that I would hope she wouldn't wait until day 2 or 3 before she shares the info.
Something pings me about this contradiction... can't really put my finger on it. The combination of these seems like a subtle implication that the conclusion of day one will be soonish, with a lynching of one of the players currently in the spotlight, and I don't think it's (and I hope it's not!) the case. There is still a lot of discussion to be done, and I'd rather everyone have some sort of read one way or another on everyone else before going into day 2.
We will have to see. If arnarria just banwagons/lurks then then this quote, will be a big scum tell. If not then I agree null tell.
On my read through what had happened since I last looked, this was the other comment that bugged me - didn't even realise it was the same person until I went to make all my notes. Gamora has said that upon reflection, in context it definitely seems like more of a null tell. Your response, however, says that if Arnnaria plays the way he has claimed to usually play in what was a discussion about play styles, then it's a big scum tell. This seems pretty drastic to me.
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Could you please elaborate on why it's such a big scum tell?
I stand corrected on this point to some extent, though, although once again my concern is that it's largely whether people think KCC's lack of explanation is justified and/or my defensiveness is justified.
EBWOP for clarification: I stand corrected on this point to some extent, though, although once again my concern is that discussion's largely whether people think KCC's lack of explanation is justified and/or my defensiveness is justified.
I fence sit, I DO NOT lurk. In all the games I've played I've been one of the most vocal posters throughout the game. Lurking implies that I sit on my haunches waiting for the opportune time to make a post. In fact, I post often and frequently. This is why I don't take notes, because if I have something in my head or an idea pops out, I express it publically.
If I was lurking I wouldn't be responding to all your queries. But look at this game so far. Every time someone has asked me to clarify or do something I've done it right away.
EBWOP for clarification: I stand corrected on this point to some extent, though, although once again my concern is that discussion's largely whether people think KCC's lack of explanation is justified and/or my defensiveness is justified.
Well, fwiw I have you leaning town and KCC leaning scum.
Which is why I think Manders is so upset about my town/scum list.
Well, fwiw I have you leaning town and KCC leaning scum.
This is the problem... I think it's entirely possible KCC is town (bit less convinced as time goes on, but I don't like making reads based solely on playstyle and her content besides the weird vote has been... acceptable), but the bizarre strategy has created a situation in some people's minds where either KCC or I are scum. It's taken a lot of self-control not to vote, but when I really analyse how I feel I think the "scumtells" I'm getting could easily just be OMGUS vibes...
Well, fwiw I have you leaning town and KCC leaning scum.
Which is why I think Manders is so upset about my town/scum list.
You'd be wrong. And I didn't "force your hand", I asked for your reads because I haven't seen you do much in the way of scumhunting. The list you provided showed terrible reads, which, again, I will elaborate on when I'm at a computer, and 8 people as neutral. That = a terrible list, and enough for me to apply pressure.
This is the problem... I think it's entirely possible KCC is town (bit less convinced as time goes on, but I don't like making reads based solely on playstyle and her content besides the weird vote has been... acceptable), but the bizarre strategy has created a situation in some people's minds where either KCC or I are scum. It's taken a lot of self-control not to vote, but when I really analyse how I feel I think the "scumtells" I'm getting could easily just be OMGUS vibes...
This, on the other hand, is quite interesting. However, even if you could only post by telegraph, I think we all want some elaboration here.
My scum/town list was so upsetting to Manders that she voted for me, citing that she would add extra info later. Without the extra info, and going solely on the list, it seems to me that the thing that must have upset her was listing you as town and KCC as scum.
I fence sit, I DO NOT lurk. In all the games I've played I've been one of the most vocal posters throughout the game. Lurking implies that I sit on my haunches waiting for the opportune time to make a post. In fact, I post often and frequently. This is why I don't take notes, because if I have something in my head or an idea pops out, I express it publically.
If I was lurking I wouldn't be responding to all your queries. But look at this game so far. Every time someone has asked me to clarify or do something I've done it right away.
Tl;dr - fence sitting=\= lurking
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I don't necessarily wait for an "opportune" time to make posts, but I'm a horrific speller and I like to double check my posts for my terrible sentence structure and things like that. I kid you not when I say even friends wonder what I'm talking about sometimes
It's one reason I re-read and take minor notes as well.
My scum/town list was so upsetting to Manders that she voted for me, citing that she would add extra info later. Without the extra info, and going solely on the list, it seems to me that the thing that must have upset her was listing you as town and KCC as scum.
That's quite a leap of logic, as far as I can see. I feel like maybe you would see that as evidence towards a scum tell if you previously had suspicions about Manders and KCC being scumbuddies - is this the case?
Newer players (myself included) could be swayed by a scum list with a somewhat vague reasoning.
This is my first game, but if I don't follow the logic of the 'vague reasoning' then I would refuse to be 'swayed'. I do however find it interesting that you include yourself explicitly in that sentence, giving yourself an excuse to 'be swayed'.
That's quite a leap of logic, as far as I can see. I feel like maybe you would see that as evidence towards a scum tell if you previously had suspicions about Manders and KCC being scumbuddies - is this the case?
I was talking to Arnnaria when I asked for elaboration
No, I don't think they are scum buddies. I think Manders is definitely town.
My scum/town list was so upsetting to Manders that she voted for me, citing that she would add extra info later. Without the extra info, and going solely on the list, it seems to me that the thing that must have upset her was listing you as town and KCC as scum.
No, I don't think they are scum buddies. I think Manders is definitely town.
I gotta get some rest. Cya tomorrow.
Just trying to figure out what's going on in your mind here. You think Manders is upset that you think I'm town and KCC is scum, upset enough to vote for you, but you think Manders is definitely town? I can't get my head around that logic...
What makes you think Manders is definitely town? That's pretty confident!
Given that Manders is 'definitely town', why would she vote for you just because she disagrees with your perception of people?
This is my first game, but if I don't follow the logic of the 'vague reasoning' then I would refuse to be 'swayed'. I do however find it interesting that you include yourself explicitly in that sentence, giving yourself an excuse to 'be swayed'.
Yeah, I can see that, however, I didn't want to call out new players and not include myself as this is my first game.
I did consider leaving myself off but thought it would be rude.
I must agree that it is too early for lists. It would create discussion, but would also leave out some people. Especially since some of those left out people haven't posted much at all.
We have had 2 people by my count offer a list so far. Both were certainly lacking in detail. We are not far enough in to have sound judgement IMHO.
Newer players (myself included) could be swayed by a scum list with a somewhat vague reasoning.
Let's not start any riots here.
I don`t get what the panic over lists is about. It just seems like another way to promote discussion. Sure a list could have vague reasoning, so could any other type of post. I don`t think we should be limiting our means of discussion when it`s our best weapon for catching scum.
I don`t get what the panic over lists is about. It just seems like another way to promote discussion. Sure a list could have vague reasoning, so could any other type of post. I don`t think we should be limiting our means of discussion when it`s our best weapon for catching scum.
Then let's discuss. Ask about people you are curious about. But the lists we have seen so far have provided no detail and gotten someone insta-voted because he didn't have enough reasoning.
You'd be wrong. And I didn't "force your hand", I asked for your reads because I haven't seen you do much in the way of scumhunting. The list you provided showed terrible reads, which, again, I will elaborate on when I'm at a computer, and 8 people as neutral. That = a terrible list, and enough for me to apply pressure.
I don't feel that because someone made bad/not enough reads we should be getting the mob together.
We will have to see. If arnarria just banwagons/lurks then then this quote, will be a big scum tell. If not then I agree null tell.
I would also like for you to explain this more. If I`m reading this right it seems like you`re implying that Arnarria and I are attached at the hip now. Like if he`s scum then so am I. It seems like a pretty big leap to make.
I would also like for you to explain this more. If I`m reading this right it seems like you`re implying that Arnarria and I are attached at the hip now. Like if he`s scum then so am I. It seems like a pretty big leap to make.
I read it as it would be a big scum tell for Arnarria, not you.
Plus, if you call out possible scum tells too early, and then that player stops doing it, it's hard to tell whether it was an innocent mistake, or if that player is scum who was just given directions on how to blend in better. [/QUOTE]
Interesting strategy.
However as we are nearing the end of day one I hope you don't plan on holding information like this in because I don't want to make my decision without all the facts.
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We are nowhere near the end of Day One!
We just exited RVS, and two players are V/LA until Tuesday.
No one even has more than one vote yet!
Sure thing. After rereading post 65 by Arnarria in the context of the conversation and considering the fact that it had been pointed by other people that fence-sitting isn`t that uncommon for him it started to look like my argument was a little convaluted(I was trying to argue that by mentioning that he has hard time taking a stance he might be just trying to set up a cover to sit back and not take a side on anyone in this game). It became more apparent to me that the simplest answer was that he just made a standard comment about his previous play.
This, by no means, eliminates him as possible scum in my mind but it now comes off more as a null tell.
I understand that. What I meant was that I would hope she wouldn't wait until day 2 or 3 before she shares the info.
Duly noted. I would also request that the information be revealed before a lynch.
No, what I'd like to see is a complete town/scum list with reasons, please. Posting style isn't indicative of alignment to me.
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We will have to see. If arnarria just banwagons/lurks then then this quote, will be a big scum tell. If not then I agree null tell.
So how does everyone feel about the fact that we have at least two players who have said nothing besides their orginal /confirmation post? Miracule being one. I'm on my phone so flipping to pull the names is a little difficult ATM.
Town
Chickenfish. Jumped in too fast and got in way over his head.
Manders hex. Been actively scum hunting since RVS.
Gamora. Copped to a mistake, if he were scum he would've pushed harder for a mislynch (and could have been rather successful).
Scum
KCC. Has something she's hiding, but has not revealed it yet. Kinda like a "if you lynch me, my secrets die with me, so put off lynching me for now."
No reads on the rest.
I`m don`t recall any of the people with just one post(Zenjo, Miracule, and Gigas1) mentioning any v/la. If they are actually available it would be nice to
get their opinions on what`s gone on so far.
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Vote: Arnnaria because that town/scum list is terrible. I'll break it down when I'm on a computer (i.e. tomorrow evening).
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You forced me to play my hand and I did. This is all I'm actively seeing right now.
I see several things that might be considered scummy, but they have been defended well. I'll probably have to re-read everything a few times before I actually see something. Truthfully I feel a bit lost.
Yeah I know what you mean on the "lost" part. Sometimes when I'm playing this game I feel like I'm throwing darts with a blindfold on. Maybe a mentor could help.
I'm starting to get some not so warm & fuzzy feelings about a few people, but since it's the first day, honestly there isn't a lot to go on at this point...I don't entirely trust this, but will make note of it.
In the previous Gamora vs. Arnnaria bit. I'm a bit like Arnnaria. I like to read, and re-read posts (I tend to miss things), watch interactions then discuss opinions. Unfortunately in Mafia that usually = fence sitting. :\
There are several people I don't even have a start on reading yet either.
Then his response to KCC's waiting to tell why she voted him.
If KCC already said she was going to let some discussion happen about why she voted him, discussion which is good for town, then what is the point in arguing?
Once the KCC gives the reason then you can defend yourself. It's not like your going to get lynched while waiting for KCC to give her reasons.
FoS:Chickenfish
I found that opening a notepad and taking notes while re-reading helps a ton. That way as people explain themselves I can keep better track on who looks scummy or not.
<chuckles> I have to agree with you Zen.
As terrible as it sounds, I'm currently putting notes on my phone. That's because I have spring break coming up in about a week. I'll have some access, but may have to resort to phone posting once or twice during that time. I'd rather have all my notes handy
I read it that way too.
I'll share all of my reads before the sun goes down.
It doesn't mean anything yet, it's only been a day since the game started.
You have some good observations here. -These aren't my biggest issue with CF, but I like your reasoning.
This is excellent advice. -Notes are very helpful.
The problem with this is that as a towny, I don't think the discussion is good for the town. As I've said earlier I have no reason to believe KCC is doing this because she's scum, and naturally I want to defend my case, so it risks turning the conversation into me vs KCC. With 10 other players out there, even if KCC is scum, that is far too narrow a discussion point on day 1 for my liking.
Also notice how I'm not arguing the vote on me, I'm arguing the method. I have no problem having a vote on me if it generates discussion, but I didn't believe that the way KCC went about it would.
I stand corrected on this point to some extent, though, although once again my concern is that it's largely whether people think KCC's lack of explanation is justified and/or my defensiveness is justified.
I agree, but as I've pointed out previously, you then risk somebody else seeing precisely what you did, and you just saying "Hey, he/she" saw it too, and then it looks like you are just using somebody else's argument.
Glad to finally see a definitely towny statement from you. Hard to shake the feeling your play style gives me, and it's a fairly obvious statement to make so maybe null tell, but it definitely makes me feel a bit better about discussing this before voting.
However, you've observed my play style and can already see I tend to over-explain things. If you are find something a bit odd about my play style, it's unlikely that will change through you saying you don't like it.
If you have something that makes you genuinely, genuinely think I'm scum, that's a different story. Just interested to know what I've done to give you that strong an impression rather than just a bit of a tell.
As above, it may as well have if somebody else picks up on what you've apparently noticed. When the time comes for you to enlighten us with what you've noticed, if it's just the same as what somebody else has said in their attempt to guess you may as well have had no case in the first place in my eyes.
Some other stuff!
Something pings me about this contradiction... can't really put my finger on it. The combination of these seems like a subtle implication that the conclusion of day one will be soonish, with a lynching of one of the players currently in the spotlight, and I don't think it's (and I hope it's not!) the case. There is still a lot of discussion to be done, and I'd rather everyone have some sort of read one way or another on everyone else before going into day 2.
On my read through what had happened since I last looked, this was the other comment that bugged me - didn't even realise it was the same person until I went to make all my notes. Gamora has said that upon reflection, in context it definitely seems like more of a null tell. Your response, however, says that if Arnnaria plays the way he has claimed to usually play in what was a discussion about play styles, then it's a big scum tell. This seems pretty drastic to me.
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Could you please elaborate on why it's such a big scum tell?
EBWOP for clarification: I stand corrected on this point to some extent, though, although once again my concern is that discussion's largely whether people think KCC's lack of explanation is justified and/or my defensiveness is justified.
I fence sit, I DO NOT lurk. In all the games I've played I've been one of the most vocal posters throughout the game. Lurking implies that I sit on my haunches waiting for the opportune time to make a post. In fact, I post often and frequently. This is why I don't take notes, because if I have something in my head or an idea pops out, I express it publically.
If I was lurking I wouldn't be responding to all your queries. But look at this game so far. Every time someone has asked me to clarify or do something I've done it right away.
Tl;dr - fence sitting=\= lurking
Well, fwiw I have you leaning town and KCC leaning scum.
Which is why I think Manders is so upset about my town/scum list.
This, on the other hand, is quite interesting. However, even if you could only post by telegraph, I think we all want some elaboration here.
I agree with this and so far Manders request for a scum/town list feels like a set up as she has not provided any details of her own as of yet.
Some of this can be explained by phone posting, but a little something would be nice.
You'd be wrong. And I didn't "force your hand", I asked for your reads because I haven't seen you do much in the way of scumhunting. The list you provided showed terrible reads, which, again, I will elaborate on when I'm at a computer, and 8 people as neutral. That = a terrible list, and enough for me to apply pressure.
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My scum/town list was so upsetting to Manders that she voted for me, citing that she would add extra info later. Without the extra info, and going solely on the list, it seems to me that the thing that must have upset her was listing you as town and KCC as scum.
<nods> I knew what you meant!
I don't necessarily wait for an "opportune" time to make posts, but I'm a horrific speller and I like to double check my posts for my terrible sentence structure and things like that. I kid you not when I say even friends wonder what I'm talking about sometimes
It's one reason I re-read and take minor notes as well.
Not here....Right now I'm still learning...still re-reading to look for anything I missed and taking notes.
Currently MY suspects list is as follows:
Battle
Kitty
Chicken
Eron
I know, take it with a grain of salt (or in this case a salt shaker), but since everyone wanted to discuss scumlists and whatnot... here ya go.
If you're gonna provide a list, reasons are always nice as the list itself gives no insight into your mindset.
@ Chickenfish: You'll get my elborations in no more than 24 hours. Hold yer horses.
@ Arnnaria: You keep saying your list upset me. On the contrary, it makes me quite happy to have a lead to follow. That's how the game works.
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Duly noted, Manders.
I was talking to Arnnaria when I asked for elaboration
Newer players (myself included) could be swayed by a scum list with a somewhat vague reasoning.
Let's not start any riots here.
This is my first game, but if I don't follow the logic of the 'vague reasoning' then I would refuse to be 'swayed'. I do however find it interesting that you include yourself explicitly in that sentence, giving yourself an excuse to 'be swayed'.
No, I don't think they are scum buddies. I think Manders is definitely town.
I gotta get some rest. Cya tomorrow.
Just trying to figure out what's going on in your mind here. You think Manders is upset that you think I'm town and KCC is scum, upset enough to vote for you, but you think Manders is definitely town? I can't get my head around that logic...
What makes you think Manders is definitely town? That's pretty confident!
Given that Manders is 'definitely town', why would she vote for you just because she disagrees with your perception of people?
Yeah, I can see that, however, I didn't want to call out new players and not include myself as this is my first game.
I did consider leaving myself off but thought it would be rude.
Also, all I'm saying is [I]I[\I] think it's too early for lists.
If you all want to start throwing them out there, more power to you.
I don`t get what the panic over lists is about. It just seems like another way to promote discussion. Sure a list could have vague reasoning, so could any other type of post. I don`t think we should be limiting our means of discussion when it`s our best weapon for catching scum.
Then let's discuss. Ask about people you are curious about. But the lists we have seen so far have provided no detail and gotten someone insta-voted because he didn't have enough reasoning.
I don't feel that because someone made bad/not enough reads we should be getting the mob together.
I would also like for you to explain this more. If I`m reading this right it seems like you`re implying that Arnarria and I are attached at the hip now. Like if he`s scum then so am I. It seems like a pretty big leap to make.
I read it as it would be a big scum tell for Arnarria, not you.