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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
It obviously is scum code for: distract them why I get on their good side and stab them in the back.
I've played TF2 with her. She doesn't play Spy, she plays Pyro. And she charges up right in front of you and stops right where her flamethrower is more or less useless so you can gun her down.
Manders is friendly and amiable. In fact, if she wasn't being friendly or amiable during RVS I'd consider that a pretty big scum tell for me.
Mmm now you've got me wondering, since Manders seems to be questioning motives over the smallest of things, which appears to me like trying to appear busy. But then again she also makes a big thing out of RVS tells (which I agree with btw) so I'll have to look back to Avatar mafia this week to see if she did that there. And then find any games where she was town.
Have we ever been in another game together besides 49, Manders? There's a link in my sig for reference, if you'd care to oblige me.
Yeah, I get backed into a corner because I fence sit in mafia.
It's just that, I need more than a whim to vote for somebody. I need solid evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt.
I've never been on a jury, but it would take a lot of convincing for me to vote guilty on someone.
This is the first actual scummy thing that I`m picking up. The way I`m reading it is "I sit on the fence all the time so don`t mind me if I don`t take a side on someone."
The way that you preemptively give yourself an excuse for not taking a stance doesn`t seem very townish to me.
This is the first actual scummy thing that I`m picking up. The way I`m reading it is "I sit on the fence all the time so don`t mind me if I don`t take a side on someone."
The way that you preemptively give yourself an excuse for not taking a stance doesn`t seem very townish to me.
Vote Arnnaria
But to the other extreme you don't want to lynch too quickly. Especially now that we have no info on anyone else.
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But to the other extreme you don't want to lynch too quickly. Especially now that we have no info on anyone else.
Of course we don`t want to lynch anyone too quickly but taking a stance creates discussion. Discussion should be good for the town. Trying to excuse yourself from a part of that process seems like you`re trying to hide something to me.
If Batman has decided you're to fight to the death, neither you nor your 'opponent' can be trusted.
Is your vote random or serious?
I'm... concerned that you ask that question after quoting that bit of my post...
That aside - my vote was neither random nor serious. As the second person in the game to post, I had 3 options:
1) I could put a random joke vote on somebody for the sake of discussion, but you'd already done that.
2) I could write a post without a vote, but as the second poster in the game if it wasn't in response to yours (which as a joke vote is hard to respond to) it would have little impact on the game, so why post at all?
3) Vote for a player who's already posted. With my options limited, it had to be you Manders.
I went with 3 because it actually had the potential to create discussion. And, based on the fact that I'm writing this post, and:
I do, and I'm waiting for a response.
(Not from you)
(not to much of a stretch to interpret this as me - posted a few times then went away while you guys kept chatting), it worked!
Not so great that I've given off a scum tell, however, as the sort of discussion I intended to start wasn't giving scum a potential scapegoat (me) to hide behind...
If you haven't picked up on it yet, the vote wasn't serious... however, I'll leave it where it is for now (see below).
This is the first actual scummy thing that I`m picking up. The way I`m reading it is "I sit on the fence all the time so don`t mind me if I don`t take a side on someone."
The way that you preemptively give yourself an excuse for not taking a stance doesn`t seem very townish to me.
Vote Arnnaria
Gamora, while I agree that out of context it could be taken like that, I really only read it as a continuation of the conversation. A vote based on that seems a bit strong to me, but I suppose this far from lynch there's not much difference between a vote and a FoS...
However, the conversation itself is doing very little in terms of scumhunting, or even getting us on the right track. There's not much content in the large number of posts from Manders and Arnnaria. They're talking about personalities outside the game, rather than doing anything to develop the current game (this talk of personalities could all just be fake-reputation building, and even if it's not, if people are bringing their actual personalities to the table they will be evident to us anyway).
Furthermore, as Eron pointed out, the only response he got to an actual mention of the game was a "..." from Manders, while she goes on to answer Arnnaria with some vaguely game-related chitchat, not actual development of discussion.
As such, my initial joke-vote actually has a reason to stay on its recipient, so I'll leave it where it is. FoS: Arnnaria for good measure too. Is it necessary to bold + blue our FoSing, or is this in fact just going to be detrimental to your ability to skim and tally?
tl;dr - initially voted to generate discussion, since then MandersHex's contentless posts have made me decide to leave the vote where it is.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
But I will at some point. -In the meantime, discuss and try to figure it out.
Kitty, if this is an attempt to create discussion about people other than yourself, it's terrible. The reason I say this is it just looks like you want others to do your dirty work, saying "why they think you voted for me", so you can say "yep, that's it".
If you think I'm scum, or are at least getting more scum vibes from me than anyone else and want others' opinions, please elaborate instead of delaying
what could be meaningful discussion.
Kitty, if this is an attempt to create discussion about people other than yourself, it's terrible. The reason I say this is it just looks like you want others to do your dirty work, saying "why they think you voted for me", so you can say "yep, that's it".
I'll do way more than my share of the work over the course of this game, but we've just started. -Isn't it a little early to be worried about that?
If you think I'm scum, or are at least getting more scum vibes from me than anyone else and want others' opinions, please elaborate instead of delaying what could be meaningful discussion.
And what's the rush? -I'll get to it, but I want to give everyone else a chance first.
And what's the rush? -I'll get to it, but I want to give everyone else a chance first.
The rush is exactly what I pointed out. Do you want everyone to simply say "yep, I see it", then you tell us what you saw, or are you just making other people do your work?
As I said, I can understand this strange behavior as an attempt to create conversation, but all it will do is split people into groups of "Chickenfish was a bit eager in his voting/defense" and "Kitty is being unproductive". If you think I'm scum, enlighten us why rather than essentially giving them a choice between you and me.
Yes, in the direction of "Who else sees what I see?" -BTW, I'm not joking with the vote this time.
It is completely absurd to vote this way. You are voting giving literally no reason, then asking others if they can see why you did.
If you want others to see my as suspicious, it shouldn't be their job to see why.
We're scumhunting - never too early to worry about people who are making that harder.
Well, I don't want to make it too easy either. -These are supposed to be learning games for new players, it's no fun if I come in here and do everything.
The rush is exactly what I pointed out. Do you want everyone to simply say "yep, I see it", then you tell us what you saw, or are you just making other people do your work?
I want everyone to do their own work. Then I'll reveal mine and we'll see where we stand.
As I said, I can understand this strange behavior as an attempt to create conversation, but all it will do is split people into groups of "Chickenfish was a bit eager in his voting/defense" and "Kitty is being unproductive".
I think it's done more than that already. -And is that why you think I'm voting you?
It is completely absurd to vote this way. You are voting giving literally no reason, then asking others if they can see why you did.
If you want others to see my as suspicious, it shouldn't be their job to see why.
It's absolutely their job to make their own reads. -And I don't care at this point if they see you as suspicious or not. I'm just pointing out where my reads are now, I'm not trying to rally for votes on you.
I'm waiting to get confirmation from my mentor on a couple of things before I proceed.
As for fence sitting, I've only played in like two online mafia games. The first one was a moderator-only game. That was my first game online and it is unfortunately locked in the vault and will never be released to the public. I didn't really play well that game so I went on whims. One of those whims was that Manders was scum and I scum hunted her the entire game. When she turned out to be town, I was surprised that my gut instinct had been wrong; but I learned an important lesson: don't trust your gut, rely on evidence.
The second game I was in I was a Serial Killer in Star Trek Specialty. I thoroughly enjoyed the role, but found it very hard to "play Town". I ended up making a false claim that I was a Neutral Survivor and while that worked for a while, I got day-vigged by a vigilante. However it taught me that fence sitting is a really scummy thing to do.
This is my third game. And I'm playing with a mentor. I hope I can fix my mistakes of the past because I'd really like a victory in this one.
I'm afk this weekend (only have my phone), so you won't get much from me. If I forget to address anything in this post, please repost it and I will address it. I'm going off memory of what I just read.
@ WG: I can't remember if we've played together in another game or not. If you can check my sig for my stats before I can check yours, I'd recommend you do that. Otherwise, I can do it tomorrow.
Regarding the "...", that was me showing that the answer to that comment is below. Then, I elaborated on Arnnaria's answer.
Also, placing votes with no reason to allow others to reach their own decisions is a valid strategy and not a scumtell.
And, yes, KCC, I am most definitely planning to keeps these claws retracted.
This is the first actual scummy thing that I`m picking up. The way I`m reading it is "I sit on the fence all the time so don`t mind me if I don`t take a side on someone."
The way that you preemptively give yourself an excuse for not taking a stance doesn`t seem very townish to me.
Vote Arnnaria
The only completed game I've played with Arnnaria had him playing something like this. He was a serial killer though, so I'm not sure it counts. However, I've developed the opinion that he actually does play that way as all alignments.
But to the other extreme you don't want to lynch too quickly. Especially now that we have no info on anyone else.
Unless I misunderstand your meaning, we're nowhere close to a lynch on anyone. You read as overly anxious towards Arnnaria. I'll keep that in mind if either of you gets more scummy.
@ WG: I can't remember if we've played together in another game or not. If you can check my sig for my stats before I can check yours, I'd recommend you do that. Otherwise, I can do it tomorrow.
I checked it, and it was as I suspected, that game and this are the only ones we've played together. Ah well.
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I'm... concerned that you ask that question after quoting that bit of my post...
That aside - my vote was neither random nor serious. As the second person in the game to post, I had 3 options:
1) I could put a random joke vote on somebody for the sake of discussion, but you'd already done that.
2) I could write a post without a vote, but as the second poster in the game if it wasn't in response to yours (which as a joke vote is hard to respond to) it would have little impact on the game, so why post at all?
3) Vote for a player who's already posted. With my options limited, it had to be you Manders.
You read as overly worried about an RVS vote to think about it that much. FoS Chickenfish, since I don't want to leave a vote sitting on you while I'm not around.
I think it's done more than that already. -And is that why you think I'm voting you?
I think I've unfortunately over-explained a lot of things which makes it look like I'm doing some weaseling, which is unfortunate. However, once again, is this you asking others to do your dirty work or do you have a solid reason you can share with us?
It's absolutely their job to make their own reads. -And I don't care at this point if they see you as suspicious or not. I'm just pointing out where my reads are now, I'm not trying to rally for votes on you.
It is absolutely their own job, but you were specifically asked by somebody for an explanation and told them to figure it out themself. Whether this is a 'teaching new players how to make reads' thing or not, I don't think it's valid. It's a fine line though, because if you think I'm scummy and am doing something the townies should be aware of, if you're a town member it's your job to point it out.
Also, placing votes with no reason to allow others to reach their own decisions is a valid strategy and not a scumtell.
I agree that it's not necessarily a scumtell, but as I mention above I don't think it's a valid strategy for scumhunting. And I still find it a little odd that after being asked for the justification she flat out refused.
Still... no vote there, because I don't think it's necessarily a scumtell. I was merely trying to avoid a bunch of time being wasted with a discussion tactic I didn't believe would produce any useful discussion.
You read as overly worried about an RVS vote to think about it that much. FoS Chickenfish, since I don't want to leave a vote sitting on you while I'm not around.
Unfortunately I don't know what to say but I agree with you. I probably defended my decisions a little too strongly... I suppose I was erring on the side of caution with not wanting to post anything contentless...
I`ll admit that I`m having a tough time getting a read from this Chickenfish-KCC conversation. Chickenfish seems a bit over-deffensive but that isn`t neccasarily scummy. I would also have preferred if KCC just came out and said what she thought was scummy about him.
As it is, I`m still fine with keeping my vote on Arnnaria. Even with other people confirming that that`s just how he plays, the way he preemptively brought it up is what rubbed me the wrong way.
I`ll admit that I`m having a tough time getting a read from this Chickenfish-KCC conversation. Chickenfish seems a bit over-deffensive but that isn`t neccasarily scummy. I would also have preferred if KCC just came out and said what she thought was scummy about him.
As it is, I`m still fine with keeping my vote on Arnnaria. Even with other people confirming that that`s just how he plays, the way he preemptively brought it up is what rubbed me the wrong way.
What you're saying here is that self-meta is worthless. I disagree. Self-meta is null, but it still worthwhile to give you insight into a player's normal playstyle so that you don't get distracted by things someone does regarless of alignment, like Arnnaria's fence-sitting or KCC's resonless votes. Everyone has something they do regardless of alignment, and it is good to know these things so they can be ignored when re-reading for alignment tells.
And, for the record, KCC has more experience than I do and is a very good player. She recently changed her name from TheFooFish, if you didn't know. I like KittyCupCake SOOOOO much better!!
It`s looking like I`m going to have a tough time getting anyone on board with my Arnarria case. I`ll read through once more and see if I can word my argument a little more clearly. I don`t feel like I`ve quite stated it as welll as I could. If it`s still not doing anything for anyone else I might have to just move on.
There is no why anyone you should hold back information about scum tells. All it does it hurt the town. You could better teach new players by showing the where the scum tells you found are. FOS KittyCupCake
Are you allowed to bold FOS?
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I'm glad we're getting into some meaty conversations.
My leaning right now is that Chickenfish is town. In his rush to explain things he information spewed. Seems normal. I would expect a scum to be very precise in what they say to avoid giving away any clues.
As for KCC (if I may), you've gotten some chatter, i'd love to hear your thoughts.
Also, feel free to just call me Eron as my name is quite long and a pain to type.
After giving it another look it does seem like maybe I was over-thinking that post a bit. It does look more like Arnarria was just making a comment about his previous play as opposed to trying to set up a cover for him to lay low.
I`ll Unvote for now.
On a side note, I would just like to say that I`m really happy that I finally decided to play this game. This is good times so far.
You are not on the list of players I accept this from (kpaca, Iso, Seppel).
Okay, first, I've been doing it for far longer than those last two have even been on this site.
Secondly, you're right that if I go through the game without ever explaining anything, you should absolutely kill me, because that's just not how I play. -But, there's a huuuge difference between waiting to explain my reads and never doing it.
However, once again, is this you asking others to do your dirty work or do you have a solid reason you can share with us?
It is absolutely their own job, but you were specifically asked by somebody for an explanation and told them to figure it out themself. Whether this is a 'teaching new players how to make reads' thing or not, I don't think it's valid. It's a fine line though, because if you think I'm scummy and am doing something the townies should be aware of, if you're a town member it's your job to point it out.
I agree that it's not necessarily a scumtell, but as I mention above I don't think it's a valid strategy for scumhunting.
There is no why anyone you should hold back information about scum tells. All it does it hurt the town. You could better teach new players by showing the where the scum tells you found are.
So you're saying it's okay to be scummy early so long as you make up for it later?
What I'm saying is that early Day 1 is not the place to be making cases and pushing for lynches. -At this stage of the game, drawing reactions, creating discussion, and getting people to take stances is far more important. -Plus, if you call out possible scum tells too early, and then that player stops doing it, it's hard to tell whether it was an innocent mistake, or if that player is scum who was just given directions on how to blend in better. And the latter is not something you want to do. -But a time will come for making cases, and when it does, I'll be happy to share everything I've noticed.
Oh, if you want to know my posting style (no big multiquotes, short, succinct, and often) its because I play on an iPad and the program I use makes it hard to scroll and multiquote.
So, if you ever ask me for a PBPA, I can only do it when I have access to my desktop in the morning or evening.
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What is this? A secret code? The beginning of a sinister plot?
= MFW I saw her new avatar.
= using a smilie instead of saying "love"
= Me hugging her. (We have quite the history of playing together, as seen here.)
= Me, duh.
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Fair enough,
Now, would you be so kind as to how you could have interpreted it as anything sinister?
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I should like to know this as well.
NAWP! Not past the normal Mafia shenanigans that is
UNVOTE Manders
He's being sneaky...as usual
And for what it's worth...for anyone who couldn't tell...female here
It obviously is scum code for: distract them why I get on their good side and stab them in the back.
You are presenting yourself as friendly and amiable so others look in a different direction.
Manders is friendly and amiable. In fact, if she wasn't being friendly or amiable during RVS I'd consider that a pretty big scum tell for me.
What if she is friendly and amiable? It's not like she's schmoozing anyone...yet
I tend to be friendly because it's my personality. I don't like the schmooze, I've worked with too many people who did that.
Just my 2 cents
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"If any of you want to know where the vote stands, feel free to ask. Otherwise, I'll tell you at what I feel is a reasonable interval."
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2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
As well they should
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While this is very true for the most part, I can be a ***** when the mood hits me.
This is actually more like me. And, in Mafia, those claws come out pretty regularly.
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It's just that, I need more than a whim to vote for somebody. I need solid evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt.
I've never been on a jury, but it would take a lot of convincing for me to vote guilty on someone.
Thanks!! -But don't get too attached, I love it, but it's only temporary.
But we're going to try keeping them retracted, right?
Unvote, Vote WG
I love your avatar btw. Foxes are my favorite animal. You better be town or I might have trouble voting you.
I've played TF2 with her. She doesn't play Spy, she plays Pyro. And she charges up right in front of you and stops right where her flamethrower is more or less useless so you can gun her down.
Mmm now you've got me wondering, since Manders seems to be questioning motives over the smallest of things, which appears to me like trying to appear busy. But then again she also makes a big thing out of RVS tells (which I agree with btw) so I'll have to look back to Avatar mafia this week to see if she did that there. And then find any games where she was town.
Have we ever been in another game together besides 49, Manders? There's a link in my sig for reference, if you'd care to oblige me.
Nothing? You have jumped very quickly on small things and offer "..." in return? Interesting.
This is the first actual scummy thing that I`m picking up. The way I`m reading it is "I sit on the fence all the time so don`t mind me if I don`t take a side on someone."
The way that you preemptively give yourself an excuse for not taking a stance doesn`t seem very townish to me.
Vote Arnnaria
Vote Miracule<- For probability having a better weekend then me, since he hasn't posted yet.
But to the other extreme you don't want to lynch too quickly. Especially now that we have no info on anyone else.
Of course we don`t want to lynch anyone too quickly but taking a stance creates discussion. Discussion should be good for the town. Trying to excuse yourself from a part of that process seems like you`re trying to hide something to me.
I'm... concerned that you ask that question after quoting that bit of my post...
That aside - my vote was neither random nor serious. As the second person in the game to post, I had 3 options:
1) I could put a random joke vote on somebody for the sake of discussion, but you'd already done that.
2) I could write a post without a vote, but as the second poster in the game if it wasn't in response to yours (which as a joke vote is hard to respond to) it would have little impact on the game, so why post at all?
3) Vote for a player who's already posted. With my options limited, it had to be you Manders.
I went with 3 because it actually had the potential to create discussion. And, based on the fact that I'm writing this post, and:
(not to much of a stretch to interpret this as me - posted a few times then went away while you guys kept chatting), it worked!
Not so great that I've given off a scum tell, however, as the sort of discussion I intended to start wasn't giving scum a potential scapegoat (me) to hide behind...
If you haven't picked up on it yet, the vote wasn't serious... however, I'll leave it where it is for now (see below).
Gamora, while I agree that out of context it could be taken like that, I really only read it as a continuation of the conversation. A vote based on that seems a bit strong to me, but I suppose this far from lynch there's not much difference between a vote and a FoS...
However, the conversation itself is doing very little in terms of scumhunting, or even getting us on the right track. There's not much content in the large number of posts from Manders and Arnnaria. They're talking about personalities outside the game, rather than doing anything to develop the current game (this talk of personalities could all just be fake-reputation building, and even if it's not, if people are bringing their actual personalities to the table they will be evident to us anyway).
Furthermore, as Eron pointed out, the only response he got to an actual mention of the game was a "..." from Manders, while she goes on to answer Arnnaria with some vaguely game-related chitchat, not actual development of discussion.
As such, my initial joke-vote actually has a reason to stay on its recipient, so I'll leave it where it is.
FoS: Arnnaria for good measure too.
Is it necessary to bold + blue our FoSing, or is this in fact just going to be detrimental to your ability to skim and tally?
tl;dr - initially voted to generate discussion, since then MandersHex's contentless posts have made me decide to leave the vote where it is.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Care to elaborate on this?
Not at the moment.
But I will at some point. -In the meantime, discuss and try to figure it out.
Kitty, if this is an attempt to create discussion about people other than yourself, it's terrible. The reason I say this is it just looks like you want others to do your dirty work, saying "why they think you voted for me", so you can say "yep, that's it".
If you think I'm scum, or are at least getting more scum vibes from me than anyone else and want others' opinions, please elaborate instead of delaying
what could be meaningful discussion.
I'm going with: you have Kitty in your name and he has Fish in his and it was a joke vote.
A close second to that is deflecting conversation.
I'll do way more than my share of the work over the course of this game, but we've just started. -Isn't it a little early to be worried about that?
And what's the rush? -I'll get to it, but I want to give everyone else a chance first.
Yes, in the direction of "Who else sees what I see?" -BTW, I'm not joking with the vote this time.
We're scumhunting - never too early to worry about people who are making that harder.
The rush is exactly what I pointed out. Do you want everyone to simply say "yep, I see it", then you tell us what you saw, or are you just making other people do your work?
As I said, I can understand this strange behavior as an attempt to create conversation, but all it will do is split people into groups of "Chickenfish was a bit eager in his voting/defense" and "Kitty is being unproductive". If you think I'm scum, enlighten us why rather than essentially giving them a choice between you and me.
It is completely absurd to vote this way. You are voting giving literally no reason, then asking others if they can see why you did.
If you want others to see my as suspicious, it shouldn't be their job to see why.
Well, I don't want to make it too easy either. -These are supposed to be learning games for new players, it's no fun if I come in here and do everything.
I want everyone to do their own work. Then I'll reveal mine and we'll see where we stand.
I think it's done more than that already. -And is that why you think I'm voting you?
It's absolutely their job to make their own reads. -And I don't care at this point if they see you as suspicious or not. I'm just pointing out where my reads are now, I'm not trying to rally for votes on you.
As for fence sitting, I've only played in like two online mafia games. The first one was a moderator-only game. That was my first game online and it is unfortunately locked in the vault and will never be released to the public. I didn't really play well that game so I went on whims. One of those whims was that Manders was scum and I scum hunted her the entire game. When she turned out to be town, I was surprised that my gut instinct had been wrong; but I learned an important lesson: don't trust your gut, rely on evidence.
The second game I was in I was a Serial Killer in Star Trek Specialty. I thoroughly enjoyed the role, but found it very hard to "play Town". I ended up making a false claim that I was a Neutral Survivor and while that worked for a while, I got day-vigged by a vigilante. However it taught me that fence sitting is a really scummy thing to do.
This is my third game. And I'm playing with a mentor. I hope I can fix my mistakes of the past because I'd really like a victory in this one.
@ WG: I can't remember if we've played together in another game or not. If you can check my sig for my stats before I can check yours, I'd recommend you do that. Otherwise, I can do it tomorrow.
Regarding the "...", that was me showing that the answer to that comment is below. Then, I elaborated on Arnnaria's answer.
Also, placing votes with no reason to allow others to reach their own decisions is a valid strategy and not a scumtell.
And, yes, KCC, I am most definitely planning to keeps these claws retracted.
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The only completed game I've played with Arnnaria had him playing something like this. He was a serial killer though, so I'm not sure it counts. However, I've developed the opinion that he actually does play that way as all alignments.
Unless I misunderstand your meaning, we're nowhere close to a lynch on anyone. You read as overly anxious towards Arnnaria. I'll keep that in mind if either of you gets more scummy.
You are not on the list of players I accept this from (kpaca, Iso, Seppel).
I happen to find him scummy as well, but I still don't like this.
So you're saying it's okay to be scummy early so long as you make up for it later?
I checked it, and it was as I suspected, that game and this are the only ones we've played together. Ah well.
You read as overly worried about an RVS vote to think about it that much. FoS Chickenfish, since I don't want to leave a vote sitting on you while I'm not around.
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I think I've unfortunately over-explained a lot of things which makes it look like I'm doing some weaseling, which is unfortunate. However, once again, is this you asking others to do your dirty work or do you have a solid reason you can share with us?
It is absolutely their own job, but you were specifically asked by somebody for an explanation and told them to figure it out themself. Whether this is a 'teaching new players how to make reads' thing or not, I don't think it's valid. It's a fine line though, because if you think I'm scummy and am doing something the townies should be aware of, if you're a town member it's your job to point it out.
I agree that it's not necessarily a scumtell, but as I mention above I don't think it's a valid strategy for scumhunting. And I still find it a little odd that after being asked for the justification she flat out refused.
Still... no vote there, because I don't think it's necessarily a scumtell. I was merely trying to avoid a bunch of time being wasted with a discussion tactic I didn't believe would produce any useful discussion.
Unfortunately I don't know what to say but I agree with you. I probably defended my decisions a little too strongly... I suppose I was erring on the side of caution with not wanting to post anything contentless...
As it is, I`m still fine with keeping my vote on Arnnaria. Even with other people confirming that that`s just how he plays, the way he preemptively brought it up is what rubbed me the wrong way.
What you're saying here is that self-meta is worthless. I disagree. Self-meta is null, but it still worthwhile to give you insight into a player's normal playstyle so that you don't get distracted by things someone does regarless of alignment, like Arnnaria's fence-sitting or KCC's resonless votes. Everyone has something they do regardless of alignment, and it is good to know these things so they can be ignored when re-reading for alignment tells.
And, for the record, KCC has more experience than I do and is a very good player. She recently changed her name from TheFooFish, if you didn't know. I like KittyCupCake SOOOOO much better!!
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My leaning right now is that Chickenfish is town. In his rush to explain things he information spewed. Seems normal. I would expect a scum to be very precise in what they say to avoid giving away any clues.
As for KCC (if I may), you've gotten some chatter, i'd love to hear your thoughts.
Also, feel free to just call me Eron as my name is quite long and a pain to type.
I`ll Unvote for now.
On a side note, I would just like to say that I`m really happy that I finally decided to play this game. This is good times so far.
The only person leaning scum is KCC. However, if I get a quality explanation for the strategy, I'll change my mind about this.
I agree with this, with the exception being, Gamora backed down extremely quick with little pushback from anyone.
I'd like to hear more about his change of heart.
Okay, first, I've been doing it for far longer than those last two have even been on this site.
Secondly, you're right that if I go through the game without ever explaining anything, you should absolutely kill me, because that's just not how I play. -But, there's a huuuge difference between waiting to explain my reads and never doing it.
What I'm saying is that early Day 1 is not the place to be making cases and pushing for lynches. -At this stage of the game, drawing reactions, creating discussion, and getting people to take stances is far more important. -Plus, if you call out possible scum tells too early, and then that player stops doing it, it's hard to tell whether it was an innocent mistake, or if that player is scum who was just given directions on how to blend in better. And the latter is not something you want to do. -But a time will come for making cases, and when it does, I'll be happy to share everything I've noticed.
You know, this never happened, right? -I said to wait, not that I wasn't going to explain.
Maybe. But there are scum motivations for that as well. -Though, if it helps, that isn't what caught my eye.
So, if you ever ask me for a PBPA, I can only do it when I have access to my desktop in the morning or evening.