The third choice I had was a weird one. Bone Shaman. There was a little bit of flavor, and the way the role worked was that if I die, I could choose a player to resurrect from death to return to the game. Bleck. Having a role where I have to die in order to be helpful to the town is not my piece of cake.
WHY WOULD YOU NOT PICK THIS ONE AS TOWN?
no matter how aggressive you are as town, to have the ability to extend LyLo is about as powerful as it gets. How can you justify roleblocker being picked over this?
Hint/thought: he's not town, and has to claim his scum role in fear that someone has a rolecop ability somehow. inb4 "rolecops are scum roles". I know this as well.
Again I believe he made these up.
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No, his naming convention is exactly right. -You just don't know what it is.
If it's necessary, I can back that up if it's the only way to save wuffles, but I'd really prefer keeping that info quiet in case I can catch scum with it at some point.
And if wuffles really doesn't want to claim the last choice, I'm fine with that; we've heard enough already.
My choices are exactly as Wuffles describes them. Three choices (like I revealed already), one was townie, and two roles each with a name and an ability.
I'm unsure what to think of this. You've already seen my role stuff, and it's different from what's been claimed. Yet others seem to have the same style/stuff as Wuffles. Unvote while I think on this.
Also, either Arti has never heard of a town roleblocker or he's simply being stupid.
@E_P: Can you explain what's meant by "one was townie"?
Well, Artifice. Your attempts at PM-grammar-condemnation have failed, which is basically all you had to go on.
So now all you have is me, claiming as honestly as I can.
I am in no way saying that Bone Shaman is not a hella powerful ability; simply that it is not my piece of cake, just as a super saint would be. Nobody is doubting that they ARE powerful roles; but I prefer interactive roles over less-interactive roles.
Still not claiming the first option. Anyone not retarded can check my other two choices and read between the lines as to why I am unwilling to do this. And I sure as hell am not neutering myself by dropping the twist on my role just to satisfy Artifice's maniacal lust for my blood.
If anyone has any other questions, I am happy to answer them; but at the end of the day, it comes down to 2 options. You can either lynch me or follow my example and START HUNTING SCUM.
Hmm. Speaking of that, Zajnet still hasn't posted.
I am in no way saying that Bone Shaman is not a hella powerful ability; simply that it is not my piece of cake, just as a super saint would be. Nobody is doubting that they ARE powerful roles; but I prefer interactive roles over less-interactive roles.
This is far too selfish to not be the truth, but good lord I hate it.
I guess that it could give more credence to zindabad's theory, but I'm not sure how that can be worked out in a game like this.
This is far too selfish to not be the truth, but good lord I hate it.
That's the point of Upick mafia, isn't it?
Players play what their playstyle is best suited to. I make no apology for that. Now if I were doing a shalako, and blocking at random, THEN you could judge me, but I flatly refuse to apologize for choosing the role I liked best. And roleblocker is an exceptionally powerful role, the closer to the endgame we get.
Also, either Arti has never heard of a town roleblocker or he's simply being stupid.
Neither is true. This is an actual false dichotomy.
I'm talking about how a town roleblocker is crap, AND it's more likely a scum would have a roleblocker role, and feel compelled to claim it as I've stated.
Mistakes like what? You're trying to blanket paint him as town, give me specifics.
Overeager - where did you get that? he was anything but, said nothing, did nothing to save his ability as overeager town would.
When I was reading Amistarian Mafia, I tripped over a qoute in the postgame IIRC that goes to the theory of this game. I can't remember who said it, but it spoke to Vanilla's being far to cavalier with their role information. They give things away too early and make the scum's job easier.
This idea of being cavalier is what I meant by eager. Given that I'm in the camp that believes Zaj is a bulletproof member of the town, his predecessor saying "go for it" or whatever to Shalako would be overly eager, as in to demonstrate his role.
RE: This whole thing. I want to hear more specifics as to Wuffle's thought process on picking roles, and precisely what he means by 'role name' - it seems to me he basically divined one from his PM, rather than it being given as a 'role name' explicitly.
Your play this game, highlighted by this post has been much more in line with your (albeit limited) scum meta - palpable increase in aggression and a much more brusque posting style.
I'm sceptical of you, and this leads me 1) to think of PF/Zajnet as town and 2)to be cautious about Wuffles.
So what's my town meta? How many of my town games have you read. A perfect example of this exact set of actions (replacing in and aggressively scum hunting) is Star Trek Mafia. I got Daykilled for it because the Dayvig was playing like crap.
I came into this game and saw a high post player doing scummy things (wagons on the demonstrated power roles) and I wasn't supposed to aggressively scum hunt him?
Also, I recommend someone else do a PBPA of Wuffles since I'll just be accused of being "tunnel" like I always am regardless of alignment.
Oooooor if people will listen to me for a minute I can make a case and do one myself. He's practically daring me to. There are plenty of other things to discuss.
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Please pardon the triple post, and note the huge timestamp difference.
I'd like to go on record as saying that Zaj does need to post, but that we must take into account he's moderating (to be as within the rules as humanly possible while still allowing me to state the truth) a large game that is his Normal which just went through a Night phase (i.e. heavy PM's and management).
That should give him some latitude IMO in this game to delay. The counter to this is we are under deadline, but seriously I strongly disagree with that deadline given that three of us replaced in.
@Mod, can we please have an extension on the deadline? Also, can you correct the thread title to reflect the correct deadline? That date was 11 days ago.
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I'm really sorry that I haven't posted. Every chance I've had on my computer I've been putting towards modding my game on here and a Newbie game on MS.
I know exactly what I want to post, but I don't have time right this moment to write it up. I'll do my best to get it in tonight, but I'm mooching wifi at the moment so idk
I'll definitely post substantial content (including what I think is a solid case against Emo) tonight or tomorrow at the absolute latest.
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I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
Neither is true. This is an actual false dichotomy.
I'm talking about how a town roleblocker is crap, AND it's more likely a scum would have a roleblocker role, and feel compelled to claim it as I've stated.
Please do no even pseudo-ad hom me.
If you really think a town roleblocker is "crap", then I really have nothing to say to you. Especially if it has an anti-scum bonus attached.
That and if it's more likely a scum has a roleblocker role, then there'd be no compelling reason to claim it. You haven't provided a single one.
I'm really sorry that I haven't posted. Every chance I've had on my computer I've been putting towards modding my game on here and a Newbie game on MS.
I know exactly what I want to post, but I don't have time right this moment to write it up. I'll do my best to get it in tonight, but I'm mooching wifi at the moment so idk
I'll definitely post substantial content (including what I think is a solid case against Emo) tonight or tomorrow at the absolute latest.
I'm unsure what to think of this. You've already seen my role stuff, and it's different from what's been claimed. Yet others seem to have the same style/stuff as Wuffles. Unvote while I think on this.
No, you just aren't looking at it right. -You've actually claimed the same style as wuffles, just not in the sense that you're looking at it.
-Now that I'm thinking about it, there is a decent chance I could break this game with a mass claim, though I'm not sure I'd want to go that route (both for the game, and in case I'm over-estimating the effectiveness of that).
I'm not going into that yet unless it's the only way to save wuffles, which I hope it doesn't come down to since it's valuable info.
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So what, then, do you suggest happens next? If you feel compelled to be Capt. SaveaDude, you need to give us a compelling next step sooner rather than later, obv.
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So what, then, do you suggest happens next? If you feel compelled to be Capt. SaveaDude, you need to give us a compelling next step sooner rather than later, obv.
Wait for a post from Zaj, then probably lynch him.
Wait for a post from Zaj, then probably lynch him.
And with the deadline in a week, what do you say we do if say Tuesday rolls around (4 days from now, for those reading this at a much later date) and he hasn't posted? The deadline is next Friday if I understand correctly.
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And with the deadline in a week, what do you say we do if say Tuesday rolls around (4 days from now, for those reading this at a much later date) and he hasn't posted? The deadline is next Friday if I understand correctly.
By Tuesday or Wednesday, with no content, we just lynch him.
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
Well my first brilliant idea derailed...by you whipper snappers (PF and Shalako) and archmage eternal pain in my ... It is clear that there is nothing to softclaim. Any kind of claim I make helps the scum. My only solace is that several actually caught on to where I was eventually going.
By the way, you never answered this.
What do you mean by the bolded? In other words, where were you going?
pinkfloyd/Zajnet is not even in the bottom 5 posters in a mini, and I think everyone feels they have a read on Toast, zind, TFF, and Infinis if nothing else. pinkfloyd's posting only dropped off because of partying only after he came under suspicion from a few players - particularly after his bad post responding to me. Zajnet just never posted anything but a scum list which he immediately got criticized for (rightly so) and dropped off the face of the Earth. For all the promises of "bunch of things to comment on" and cases to present, Zajnet has posted one singular opinion about this game.
Both Zajnet and pinkfloyd are/were not only lurking, they are/were lurking well. They've sat out of the game for such a long period of time that the game did move on to other things opting to ignore than rather than force any contribution.
This is not archnoid's lurking, because archonoid is at least comment on and committing to things in the game. This is a player that went from a middle to high level of posting to none after coming under fire.
What little there is, there's a lot of evidence pointing again Zajnet and the prolonged lurking simply cannot be permitted. It's been over two weeks.
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
Responding to prod. I'm having some difficulty right now forming a strong scum read on anyone. But no-lynching is worse than misfiring. Given the current state of the game, I think Zajnet is the right lynch. I continue to get a town read from Wuffles' posts, and while I recognize that some of Zaj's lurking is forgivable due to another ongoing game, PF was equally bad before then, with no reasonable justification.
2. Infinis playing the "vote me" game again. Last time he did that he was scum in Grim Batol, as I recall.
More on this later.
I do like how you put the caveat at the end.
So PF/Zaj voters, I want to put this scenario in perspective. The guy with the (unlimited) dayvig, decides to shoot day 1 early, and then shoots the guy who is bulletproof. Which by Occam's razor do you think is valid?
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@Cyouni Because as pointed out by others before, I specifically said no details about the soft claim Wuffles goes right ahead and adds his own soft claim details, and then while musing on soft claim details doesn't immediately realize any soft claim would be a full claim. My only caveat (word of the day calendar) is that maybe it was just a simple mistake.
if we can't get anything out Zaj then he deserves the vote. I don't want a defense I want a case, from him, on anyone else, even me.
I'll look for it later, but whoever misrepresented me asking for the soft claim twice, will get my vote. It's a clear scum attack, misrep about a controversial topic in order to make me look scummy.
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For now my vote will be based on the Archonoid vote (lazy at best, scumtacular at worst) Vote: Archonoid
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
Sorry I didn't post what I was working on. I know better than to make promises in this game and not follow through on them. Long story. I'll get back to it later (just like everyone else in this game apparently).
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Copping me will be significantly more beneficial to us than flipping me.
I'd rather use my cop on someone harder to read, thanks.
Vote Archonoid
His two "reads" magically appear just as a wagon's forming on them, or in the case of Sir Mu, after the claim. Everything else, there's very little analysis.
Oh for ****'s sake. I summarized the flavor, gave you the rolename...
I clearly stated, in black and white, that it did not say anything about town in that particular option however Tanarin clarified my alignment as town no matter which option I said.
Let me break it down for you, Mr Artyface, in terms you will hopefully understand.
I [TOWNIE] flatly refuse to [TOWNIE] tell you any more, fishy-fish. And if you press the matter, you know what? I WILL [TOWNIE] tell you, and you will see why it [TOWNIE] helps the town in no [TOWNIE] way at all having that [TOWNIE] info out there.
TOWNIE TOWNIE TOWNIE ****ING TOWNIE.
Oh hai it's the same things that Sir Mu said.
And Wuffles voted him right After that.
But whatever feel free to carry on with your not wuffles lynch.
It's tots legit how he claimed ROLEBLOCKER AND PEOPLE FOUND PISS POOR EXCUSES TO UNVOTE HIM
no matter how aggressive you are as town, to have the ability to extend LyLo is about as powerful as it gets. How can you justify roleblocker being picked over this?
I need more detail in this thought process.
Again I believe he made these up.
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You don't know who to target, so its all shots in the dark. Yet again why I think this is all nonsense and a false claim.
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No, his naming convention is exactly right. -You just don't know what it is.
If it's necessary, I can back that up if it's the only way to save wuffles, but I'd really prefer keeping that info quiet in case I can catch scum with it at some point.
And if wuffles really doesn't want to claim the last choice, I'm fine with that; we've heard enough already.
Also, either Arti has never heard of a town roleblocker or he's simply being stupid.
@E_P: Can you explain what's meant by "one was townie"?
So now all you have is me, claiming as honestly as I can.
I am in no way saying that Bone Shaman is not a hella powerful ability; simply that it is not my piece of cake, just as a super saint would be. Nobody is doubting that they ARE powerful roles; but I prefer interactive roles over less-interactive roles.
Still not claiming the first option. Anyone not retarded can check my other two choices and read between the lines as to why I am unwilling to do this. And I sure as hell am not neutering myself by dropping the twist on my role just to satisfy Artifice's maniacal lust for my blood.
If anyone has any other questions, I am happy to answer them; but at the end of the day, it comes down to 2 options. You can either lynch me or follow my example and START HUNTING SCUM.
Hmm. Speaking of that, Zajnet still hasn't posted.
Confirm Vote.
I guess that it could give more credence to zindabad's theory, but I'm not sure how that can be worked out in a game like this.
This is far too selfish to not be the truth, but good lord I hate it.
Players play what their playstyle is best suited to. I make no apology for that. Now if I were doing a shalako, and blocking at random, THEN you could judge me, but I flatly refuse to apologize for choosing the role I liked best. And roleblocker is an exceptionally powerful role, the closer to the endgame we get.
I'm talking about how a town roleblocker is crap, AND it's more likely a scum would have a roleblocker role, and feel compelled to claim it as I've stated.
Please do no even pseudo-ad hom me.
When I was reading Amistarian Mafia, I tripped over a qoute in the postgame IIRC that goes to the theory of this game. I can't remember who said it, but it spoke to Vanilla's being far to cavalier with their role information. They give things away too early and make the scum's job easier.
This idea of being cavalier is what I meant by eager. Given that I'm in the camp that believes Zaj is a bulletproof member of the town, his predecessor saying "go for it" or whatever to Shalako would be overly eager, as in to demonstrate his role.
RE: This whole thing. I want to hear more specifics as to Wuffle's thought process on picking roles, and precisely what he means by 'role name' - it seems to me he basically divined one from his PM, rather than it being given as a 'role name' explicitly.
So what's my town meta? How many of my town games have you read. A perfect example of this exact set of actions (replacing in and aggressively scum hunting) is Star Trek Mafia. I got Daykilled for it because the Dayvig was playing like crap.
I came into this game and saw a high post player doing scummy things (wagons on the demonstrated power roles) and I wasn't supposed to aggressively scum hunt him?
Also, I recommend someone else do a PBPA of Wuffles since I'll just be accused of being "tunnel" like I always am regardless of alignment.
Oooooor if people will listen to me for a minute I can make a case and do one myself. He's practically daring me to. There are plenty of other things to discuss.
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I'd like to go on record as saying that Zaj does need to post, but that we must take into account he's moderating (to be as within the rules as humanly possible while still allowing me to state the truth) a large game that is his Normal which just went through a Night phase (i.e. heavy PM's and management).
That should give him some latitude IMO in this game to delay. The counter to this is we are under deadline, but seriously I strongly disagree with that deadline given that three of us replaced in.
@Mod, can we please have an extension on the deadline? Also, can you correct the thread title to reflect the correct deadline? That date was 11 days ago.
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I know exactly what I want to post, but I don't have time right this moment to write it up. I'll do my best to get it in tonight, but I'm mooching wifi at the moment so idk
I'll definitely post substantial content (including what I think is a solid case against Emo) tonight or tomorrow at the absolute latest.
Sorry :\
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I need to re-read in ISO but I'm tired. I'm deciding between bold scum or misguided town, which buys you a reprieve Wuffles. Unvote
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I can see his interaction with Shalako coming from either side as town or scum.
If you really think a town roleblocker is "crap", then I really have nothing to say to you. Especially if it has an anti-scum bonus attached.
That and if it's more likely a scum has a roleblocker role, then there'd be no compelling reason to claim it. You haven't provided a single one.
Re-read in "ISO"?
Also, why are you voting yourself?
No, you just aren't looking at it right. -You've actually claimed the same style as wuffles, just not in the sense that you're looking at it.
-Now that I'm thinking about it, there is a decent chance I could break this game with a mass claim, though I'm not sure I'd want to go that route (both for the game, and in case I'm over-estimating the effectiveness of that).
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I'm not going into that yet unless it's the only way to save wuffles, which I hope it doesn't come down to since it's valuable info.
So what, then, do you suggest happens next? If you feel compelled to be Capt. SaveaDude, you need to give us a compelling next step sooner rather than later, obv.
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Wait for a post from Zaj, then probably lynch him.
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By Tuesday or Wednesday, with no content, we just lynch him.
If Zajnet doesn't post, I'm fine with lynching him. I can't exactly evaluate his posts if he doesn't post.
In the meantime, I think I'll look at Archonoid as my next suspect.
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Idk what else I can do to make you vote me.
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What do you mean by the bolded? In other words, where were you going?
No, probably not. And I'm not surprised.
That's a good target as well.
It's been three false promises and daylight's quickly fading on the last one.
I also want to point out total post by player (including replacements):
Wuffles_II - 113
Cyouni - 89
Shalako - 54
Archmage Eternal - 41
Artifice 101 - 41
Emo_Pinata - 40
Zajnet - 34
TheFooFish - 33
Archonoid - 32
Infinis - 24
Toastboy - 11
zindabad - 10
pinkfloyd/Zajnet is not even in the bottom 5 posters in a mini, and I think everyone feels they have a read on Toast, zind, TFF, and Infinis if nothing else. pinkfloyd's posting only dropped off because of partying only after he came under suspicion from a few players - particularly after his bad post responding to me. Zajnet just never posted anything but a scum list which he immediately got criticized for (rightly so) and dropped off the face of the Earth. For all the promises of "bunch of things to comment on" and cases to present, Zajnet has posted one singular opinion about this game.
Both Zajnet and pinkfloyd are/were not only lurking, they are/were lurking well. They've sat out of the game for such a long period of time that the game did move on to other things opting to ignore than rather than force any contribution.
This is not archnoid's lurking, because archonoid is at least comment on and committing to things in the game. This is a player that went from a middle to high level of posting to none after coming under fire.
What little there is, there's a lot of evidence pointing again Zajnet and the prolonged lurking simply cannot be permitted. It's been over two weeks.
That there was no soft claim to make, could you and Emo get on with voting me, bored already
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I don't know what you're trying to accomplish here but stop it. If you're not enjoying the game, quit. :/
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vote Zajnet
They hate us cause they ain't us.
I'll do a case tonight to see if I can make my point more clear.
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I'll go more into it tomorrow.
Wuffles_II (3) - Shalako, Zajnet, Artifice 101,
Zajnet (3) - TheFooFish, Wuffles_II, Archonoid
Infinis (3) - Emo_Pinata, Toastboy, Infinis
Not Voting (3) - zindabad, Cyouni, Archmage_Eternal
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Copping me will be significantly more beneficial to us than flipping me.
1. Deafening silence from Zajnet.
2. Infinis playing the "vote me" game again. Last time he did that he was scum in Grim Batol, as I recall.
More on this later.
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I do like how you put the caveat at the end.
So PF/Zaj voters, I want to put this scenario in perspective. The guy with the (unlimited) dayvig, decides to shoot day 1 early, and then shoots the guy who is bulletproof. Which by Occam's razor do you think is valid?
@Cyouni Because as pointed out by others before, I specifically said no details about the soft claim Wuffles goes right ahead and adds his own soft claim details, and then while musing on soft claim details doesn't immediately realize any soft claim would be a full claim. My only caveat (word of the day calendar) is that maybe it was just a simple mistake.
if we can't get anything out Zaj then he deserves the vote. I don't want a defense I want a case, from him, on anyone else, even me.
I'll look for it later, but whoever misrepresented me asking for the soft claim twice, will get my vote. It's a clear scum attack, misrep about a controversial topic in order to make me look scummy.
Unvote
For now my vote will be based on the Archonoid vote (lazy at best, scumtacular at worst) Vote: Archonoid
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Another winner. Scum are PR hunting this game hard.
Vote Archonoid
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Vote Archonoid
His two "reads" magically appear just as a wagon's forming on them, or in the case of Sir Mu, after the claim. Everything else, there's very little analysis.
Don't have time to read the thread.
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Oh hai it's the same things that Sir Mu said.
And Wuffles voted him right After that.
But whatever feel free to carry on with your not wuffles lynch.
It's tots legit how he claimed ROLEBLOCKER AND PEOPLE FOUND PISS POOR EXCUSES TO UNVOTE HIM
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