I honestly give no procreations about whether Shalako's decision to shoot was good or bad, but rather I care about who he decided to shoot; why Pinkfloyd of all people? I believe that this situation has been scripted and that both Shalako and Pinkfloyd are scum, having communicated with one another pre-game to play out this little display, so that if one may fall the other looks good. Wuffles may or may not be part of this; I certainly believed him to be in cahoots with Shalako before it was revealed that Pinkfloyd was bullet proof, but now I think he is likely town who caught the wrong end of a rather interesting display of scumminship.
I honestly give no procreations about whether Shalako's decision to shoot was good or bad, but rather I care about who he decided to shoot; why Pinkfloyd of all people? I believe that this situation has been scripted and that both Shalako and Pinkfloyd are scum, having communicated with one another pre-game to play out this little display, so that if one may fall the other looks good. Wuffles may or may not be part of this; I certainly believed him to be in cahoots with Shalako before it was revealed that Pinkfloyd was bullet proof, but now I think he is likely town who caught the wrong end of a rather interesting display of scumminship.
wot?
I don't understand your reasoning...well, I understand it but...wouldn't it make more sense to link floyd and I? Surely I've made my position on my opinion of shalako clear enough to be not seen as distancing?
I don't understand your reasoning...well, I understand it but...wouldn't it make more sense to link floyd and I? Surely I've made my position on my opinion of shalako clear enough to be not seen as distancing?
I'll be able to show why I tried to kill P.F. Friday.
It was in large part due to his DayKill and generally being useless.
His response to my Threat was W.I.F.O.M. because it's what he would have stated regardless of why he did it.
I was obviously not joking about Daykilling him and the fact that he allowed me to shoot him instead of using it as a 2nd lynch(as I was planning to Cite: Next quoted post) was a waste of my power for today.
Wuffles: Read my posts to discover why I'm voting you.
I'll be able to show why I tried to kill P.F. Friday.
It was in large part due to his DayKill and generally being useless.
His response to my Threat was W.I.F.O.M. because it's what he would have stated regardless of why he did it.
I was obviously not joking about Daykilling him and the fact that he allowed me to shoot him instead of using it as a 2nd lynch(as I was planning to Cite: Next quoted post) was a waste of my power for today.
Wuffles: Read my posts to discover why I'm voting you.
His "Daykill" scene is quite different to yours, brah. Tanarin explicitly confirms yours as legit but doesn't do that for the other one. I'm fairly sure that was just Tan having a bit of fun, surely.
And generally being useless? It was barely out of RVS.
1His "Daykill" scene is quite different to yours, brah. 2Tanarin explicitly confirms yours as legit but doesn't do that for the other one. I'm fairly sure that was just Tan having a bit of fun, surely.
3And generally being useless? It was barely out of RVS.
1. And how was I supposed to know what a "legit" trigger/activation looks like? I had already confirmed with the mod that it was possible for my to fire by typing Daykill: X(bolded).
2. Maybe. Even likely P.F.'s repsonses are what cemented my thoughts on killing him.
3.I suggest reading his posts between His DayKill and Mine. No matter how you strech it there is no content.
@PF: Okay, but you're voting him. And I see lots of reasons for why you think his play was bad, but nothing about how he's scum for it.
@EP: Oh, there's no reason for you to apologize. It really hasn't been an issue for very long, but thanks.
@Wuffles: So, the question now becomes is Wuffles backpedaling from being called out, or is this just a calmer, more rational reassessment. -His tone in this post makes me believe the outrage he showed was genuine. So, Unvote Wuffles
-Also, yes, the DK was terrible, but scolding misbehaving powerroles isn't the top priority.
@Wuffles: Aren't you just suggesting a mass-claim here? -I think D1 is a little early for anything but soft-claims.
@Shal: Okay, I can somewhat understand why, though I look forward to whatever additional reasoning you'll provide tomorrow. -The one question I still have is, if you had wanted to use it as a 2nd lynch, why didn't you wait for more reactions when you proposed using it? -What was the rush?
@Sir Mu: This is a ... stretch, to say the least. -Beyond the fact of that being a lot of power for the mafia to hold in a mini, it would just be bad play. Sure, trying to false clear people is nice, but just offering to use the DK as a 2nd lynch probably would have accomplished that, but without throwing away two (strong) abilities. Plus, with that much scum power, there wouldn't really be a reason to try a gambit like this.
The reasoning here is so bad, that I'm having trouble believing Mu honestly means it. I think he is just trying to further smear the revealed power roles, who are already under suspicion, but in a new way so it doesn't look like wagoning.
1. And how was I supposed to know what a "legit" trigger/activation looks like? I had already confirmed with the mod that it was possible for my to fire by typing Daykill: X(bolded).
2. Maybe. Even likely P.F.'s repsonses are what cemented my thoughts on killing him.
3.I suggest reading his posts between His DayKill and Mine. No matter how you strech it there is no content.
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2. HE DIDN'T FREAKING ACCEDE TO YOUR DAMNED "CLAIM OR DIE" POST? REALLY? WOULD YOU HAVE IF YOU WERE HIM?
3. OF COURSE HE DIDN'T POST CONTENT! IT WAS RVS! WHAT WAS THERE TO FREAKING SAY?
* Wuffles_II walks out of the room and shoots himself
Please don't build up what I say and then make fun of it.It makes me sad.
Is that...not what you're saying though?
Or did you not just claim your reasoning for the daykill as "floyd claimed daykiller by attempting a daykill and so I immediately also claimed and tried to kill him"
I don't understand, Shalako. Please, try to help me understand why your first instinct after seeing someone lay down a daykill (which for argument's sake, let's say you truly believed was either a false claim or a genuine daykill attempt) is not to step back and say "hmm, okay, so he's false-claiming daycop. How best can I use this information to benefit the town?"
Instead, you immediately, without explaining why, advised him you would daykill him if he didn't fullclaim - a strategy that, quite simply, makes no sense.
Why not wait and see if the DK is legit, then go from there?
Why not advise the town that you have role-related reasons to believe Floyd is lying, and would like opinions on your killing him?
I just don't know why you would do that. It makes no sense to me, and confuses and infuriates me.
It's really not surprising Shalako thinks he's right, and I can totally buy into Sir Mu's theory here since it makes more sense than Shalako freaking out over pinkfloyd faking a daykill and the mod having some fun (after all, DYH's response to CC's fake daykill in Amisteria was a quote passed around for a looong time). Problem is that Shalako's being the same as every single other game I have ever read Shalako being town. He's paranoid, stubborn, always thinks he's right, and lashes out at people questioning him on his logic. I think he's both town and a liability.
Let's see zindabad's summary since it's been enough posts for him to stop lurking.
This is such a joke. Someone is messing around in the random stage so you take it upon yourself to kill them?
Have you played in any games that players have faked daykills in the random stage?
This has nothing to do with you needing to validate your role. It's just you eager to kill someone. As town or scum? I'm not sure yet.
I'm not the only one seeing it, right?
Shalako's arguments are a freaking joke, right? I thought I was just going crazy for a while there trying to get my head around his reasoning.
He's clearly town, if he can kill again, because even if Shalako is being completely irrational, Tanarin is a player I respect enough to assume he wouldn't place a multi-daykill role on a mafioso but man.
Shalako, please, please, PLEASE don't go rambo on anyone else before the lynch is decided each day from now on.
It's really not surprising Shalako thinks he's right, and I can totally buy into Sir Mu's theory here since it makes more sense than Shalako freaking out over pinkfloyd faking a daykill and the mod having some fun (after all, DYH's response to CC's fake daykill in Amisteria was a quote passed around for a looong time). Problem is that Shalako's being the same as every single other game I have ever read Shalako being town. He's paranoid, stubborn, always thinks he's right, and lashes out at people questioning him on his logic. I think he's both town and a liability.
Let's see zindabad's summary since it's been enough posts for him to stop lurking.
Also, vote archonoid.
See, I agree with you that Shalako is "paranoid, stubborn, and always thinks he's right", however I do not believe this is his town play, I believe it's his always play. There is rather a different aspect to him that creates a divide between his town and scum self, and I'm not seeing the town side here.
I've played with Shally numerous times, his town vs scum play is indistinguishable(sp) on day 1 I find. I think that the fake daykill pf did and shally responding as such says that they are not connected as it feels too natural to be premeditated. Also wishing my computer hadn't died on me yesterday... And carrying on, this all reeks of hot town on town action to me. Reads possibly tomorrow.
This is a poor line of reasoning. You're suggesting you knew it was real, which I'm not sure you did given your joking manner, and also, why would you just accept the shot and loss of a power role (which you are insinuating is town) without any sort of opposition?
My thought process was:
It COULD be legit (I was unsure), but the way he is treating his role by hitting anyone for any reason, I am happy not to say it wont kill me if legit.
Again, awkward phrasing and an attack that feels distinctly hollow.
that's how I post. I guess I'm just a hollow person
Care to explain your thought process a little more here?
If he has more than one daykill, then even if he's not smart enough to use it in a way that maximizes the benefit to the town, he still IS town, because Tan is not stupid enough to put a multiple-daykilling mafioso role in a mini, surely.
This question... the way it's asked suggested it's an aside, either that or very cautious, and you haven't really followed up any answer, but regarding your posts being entirely about Shalako, it seems like this would be an important questions to be answered for you.
I am just really curious to see if others aside from AE and I have noticed how illogical Shalako's posts regarding this have been. It's a valid queston.
It doesn't really matter what he chooses because we're all going to mislynch him today anyway. Even if we place all our votes on someone else, we'll end up mislynching Zindabad. That's just how Mafia works.
We're going to go exactly 0 places modgaming, so we might as well do what we're supposed to; analyzing and arguing.
Wuffles_II, was that a serious vote on Shalako?
Now we're on to Sir Mu. He wants to disengage from talking about the vig shot being fake/real. Ignores Shalakos attempt to have PF claim. Then asks if the vote is serious. Why? In his next post he does not follow up with anything. Looks like filler. Something to post just to post.
I was contemplating softclaim during the pregame, so I'd have to yes, I am in favor of mass softclaim.
Now wants to do a softclaim. Its looking like Sir Mu is just trying to get all the info out there that he can get. Ignoring the PF/Shal situation, standing by hoping for an easy claim.
Because I'm taking Wuffles out First Post of Day 2 obviously.
So Shalako has more than one shot. We can dictate who, if anyone he shoots. Or we can have him shoot at PF again to prove he is a vig. If he has no other shots I can see him as scum with Sir Mu.
Originally Posted by Wuffles_II Already someone is trying really hard to be useful. Hmmmmm...?
Thing is, this post by Wuffles was at the start of the day, 17 posts in. Now you mention it? I think you now trying to force things in. You don't have anything so you trying to drum up anything.
I honestly give no procreations about whether Shalako's decision to shoot was good or bad, but rather I care about who he decided to shoot; why Pinkfloyd of all people? I believe that this situation has been scripted and that both Shalako and Pinkfloyd are scum, having communicated with one another pre-game to play out this little display, so that if one may fall the other looks good. Wuffles may or may not be part of this; I certainly believed him to be in cahoots with Shalako before it was revealed that Pinkfloyd was bullet proof, but now I think he is likely town who caught the wrong end of a rather interesting display of scumminship.
This is telling. He now weighs in after the fact. Questions why PF. Something that could have been asked alot earlier. The interesting thing here is the unvote of Wuffles now that a couple people have jumped on the wagon. He now is linking a daykiller and a bulletproof as scum. Something the scum would like to have help getting rid of. Also that duo, role wise, does not makes sense as scum.
See, I agree with you that Shalako is "paranoid, stubborn, and always thinks he's right", however I do not believe this is his town play, I believe it's his always play. There is rather a different aspect to him that creates a divide between his town and scum self, and I'm not seeing the town side here.
You didn't see this earlier. I love how Sir Mu waits till after the fact to present these thoughts. He's hagning in the background waiting for all the info his team can get.
I know don't think there is a link between Shal and Mu. I see PF and Wuffles as town. I'm leaning scum on Archonoid.
Originally Posted by Archmage Eternal You don't have an issue with Shalako supposedly killing PF right from the start?
Archonoid-How many times do I have to repeat that the analysis will depend on what the outcome is?
I don't like this. Someone wants to vig another over random stage fun but you don't think theres any issue with that? You'd rather wait till things are revealed?
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
Looking back on these it sounds like they know whats going on behind the scenes.
Nope.
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Mentions day kill. How ironic.
Yes, it is quite ironic that I, a townie, would correctly guess that Shalako had a daykill, especially in light of my accusatory statements of an inside job between Shalako and Pinkfloyd.
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Look at what Shal says and think of what Shal did.
Good point, we should lynch Shalako.
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Now we're on to Sir Mu. He wants to disengage from talking about the vig shot being fake/real. Ignores Shalakos attempt to have PF claim. Then asks if the vote is serious. Why? In his next post he does not follow up with anything. Looks like filler. Something to post just to post.
Because I've played with Pinkfloyd in the past, I was 99% certain it wasn't real, so there was nothing about the daykill on me for me to discuss. I also thought Shalako was joking about the full claim, but I was apparently wrong. I asked if Wuffle's vote was serious because I was not certain if he was still in RVS or not. I didn't follow it up because I got what I wanted; an answer that, yes, Wuffles did exit the RVS.
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Now wants to do a softclaim. Its looking like Sir Mu is just trying to get all the info out there that he can get. Ignoring the PF/Shal situation, standing by hoping for an easy claim.
I just thought a softclaim would benefit the town.
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Now after sitting by letting all this unfold Mu comes in joking around.
He's happy that some info will be spewed into the thread.
Information about alignment.
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Now after the negative thoughts coming down on Shalako Mu moves to join that theory. Took him long enough to weigh in.
That a crime?
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Sir Mu is becoming opportunistic.
Yeah, I see an opportunity to A) State my opinion and B) Perhaps get a few scum feathers rustled.
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Thing is, this post by Wuffles was at the start of the day, 17 posts in. Now you mention it? I think you now trying to force things in. You don't have anything so you trying to drum up anything.
You asked me who Wuffles was so I pointed you out to him. Yes, I understand what you really wanted was a reason I thought Wuffles might be scum, I just didn't have anything but gut at the time so I went with a joke, which promptly went over your head, through your roof, and struck your pet dog down, causing you to come up with some absurd theories about me in frothing revenge fueled ANGER!*
*Just so it doesn't happen again, that last bit's a joke.
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Don't know what this is. But it looks like he's excited because Tan looks to be posting the daykill.
Excited that we're going to get confirmation on whether it is real or not, yes.
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This is telling. He now weighs in after the fact. Questions why PF. Something that could have been asked alot earlier. The interesting thing here is the unvote of Wuffles now that a couple people have jumped on the wagon. He now is linking a daykiller and a bulletproof as scum. Something the scum would like to have help getting rid of. Also that duo, role wise, does not makes sense as scum.
Well of course I weight in only after I know the daykill is real. I think my theory make sense.
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You didn't see this earlier. I love how Sir Mu waits till after the fact to present these thoughts. He's hagning in the background waiting for all the info his team can get.
Who is you? Yeah, my town team. See, revealing your thoughts about a behavior may alter it, therefor the longer you wait to reveal them, the more behavior you have to go off of to back up your thoughts. Not that I often quote specific posts when revealing my thoughts, particularly because at this stage in the game I'm still going largely off gut.
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I don't like this. Someone wants to vig another over random stage fun but you don't think theres any issue with that? You'd rather wait till things are revealed?
Yes, it is quite ironic that I, a townie, would correctly guess that Shalako had a daykill, especially in light of my accusatory statements of an inside job between Shalako and Pinkfloyd.
It has to be ironic yeah. Especially if Shal and PF are who they say they are and are town. Which is why you now group them together and want them lynched.
Good point, we should lynch Shalako.
Thats a major damning point against Shal. Rather find out if he does in fact have more shots. I can see why you now want him dead.
Because I've played with Pinkfloyd in the past, I was 99% certain it wasn't real, so there was nothing about the daykill on me for me to discuss. I also thought Shalako was joking about the full claim, but I was apparently wrong. I asked if Wuffle's vote was serious because I was not certain if he was still in RVS or not. I didn't follow it up because I got what I wanted; an answer that, yes, Wuffles did exit the RVS.
PFs was obviously a joke. Shalako was not joking and said as much so I don't see where you can say you thought he was joking. Moreso finding out that Wuffles was serious about his vote(on a joking Shalako in your eyes) doesn't have you question either? No you waiting to see where the town will head so you can follow.
I just thought a softclaim would benefit the town.
OK then lets here it. How could we benfit from a softclaim?
Well you said you wanted to match the thread title so don't see how thats involving another game. But if its ongoing forget about it.
Why would you not have anything? Nothing toward Shal about why he's trying to get a full claim or if his daykill is real? Your sitting idly by trying not to interfere.
Information about alignment.
How'd that work out for you? Not what you wanted, now your trying for the lynch.
That a crime?
It's active lurking scum.
Yeah, I see an opportunity to A) State my opinion and B) Perhaps get a few scum feathers rustled.
You had plenty of chances. You've just waited to make sure you didn't look scummy. Oh lol. By the way what is your opinion. You just gave us two names.
You asked me who Wuffles was so I pointed you out to him. Yes, I understand what you really wanted was a reason I thought Wuffles might be scum, I just didn't have anything but gut at the time so I went with a joke, which promptly went over your head, through your roof, and struck your pet dog down, causing you to come up with some absurd theories about me in frothing revenge fueled ANGER!*
Bull****. Sir Mu is now flailing scum.
Excited that we're going to get confirmation on whether it is real or not, yes.
No. We already know its real. Your just excited we're going to have a dead body.
Well of course I weight in only after I know the daykill is real. I think my theory make sense.
All your theory is, is an attempt to rid the scum of a bullet proof and a vig that is pretty much confirmed town.
Who is you? Yeah, my town team. See, revealing your thoughts about a behavior may alter it, therefor the longer you wait to reveal them, the more behavior you have to go off of to back up your thoughts. Not that I often quote specific posts when revealing my thoughts, particularly because at this stage in the game I'm still going largely off gut.
Well since I was quoting you, it is you, Mu.
So the longer you wait huh? That tells me your worried about how you come across and are concerned with which way the town will be going.
It has to be ironic yeah. Especially if Shal and PF are who they say they are and are town. Which is why you now group them together and want them lynched.
Eh?
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PFs was obviously a joke. Shalako was not joking and said as much so I don't see where you can say you thought he was joking. Moreso finding out that Wuffles was serious about his vote(on a joking Shalako in your eyes) doesn't have you question either? No you waiting to see where the town will head so you can follow.
No, but see, ur rong.
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OK then lets here it. How could we benfit from a softclaim?
At the time I thought it'd give us something to talk about. Obviously we don't need that help now.
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Why would you not have anything? Nothing toward Shal about why he's trying to get a full claim or if his daykill is real? Your sitting idly by trying not to interfere.
Because believe it or not people don't and shouldn't comment on everything. You, sir, are reaching so hard; please, loosen your grip.
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How'd that work out for you? Not what you wanted, now your trying for the lynch.
I already told you what I think.
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It's active lurking scum.
Nope.
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You had plenty of chances. You've just waited to make sure you didn't look scummy. Oh lol. By the way what is your opinion. You just gave us two names.
My opinion -was- that Wuffles and Shalako was scum. Now it is that Shalako and Pinfkloyd are scum.
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Bull****. Sir Mu is now flailing scum.
You're not even doing anything but repeating your opinion.
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No. We already know its real. Your just excited we're going to have a dead body.
I didn't know anything. Did you? You had inside knowledge, Archmage?
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All your theory is, is an attempt to rid the scum of a bullet proof and a vig that is pretty much confirmed town.
Confirmed town, my behind.
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My behind is confirmed town.
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So the longer you wait huh? That tells me your worried about how you come across and are concerned with which way the town will be going.
You must not be listening, then.
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Question marks? Really? Are you being pompous
I am saying I am unsure about your alignment, but regardless of it, you are wrong.
AE's case, if he is town, is nothing but him trying to justify his opinion to himself, taking my posts and framing them as if they come from an alternative universe where I'm scum.
AE's case, if he is town, is nothing but him trying to justify his opinion to himself, taking my posts and framing them as if they come from an alternative universe where I'm scum.
His posts read to me of a townie legitimately hunting scum, Mu.
You've been all over the place so far today, and your comments with regard to my opinions on Shalako reeked of mud slinging to see what sticks. I think we've found our first scum, AE.
FYI: I'm pretty much going to be ignoring Shalako from now on until he starts making sense. He's almost certainly not mafia, and at this stage we have only weak behavioral reasons to suspect he might be anti-town neutral. Because his role is too powerful to be on a mafioso (assuming that he's actually able to demonstrate another daykill tomorrow) I will for now assume he's just a really bad townie that can't keep it in his pants.
I've wasted far too much of my time and the town's time on him already today.
I recommend daykilling Pink floyd. That seems to be an excellent play most of the time.
Of course, you didn't defend yourself at all there, which just makes you look worse for failing to try. Trapped scum, giving up.
NO YOU LITTLE SMUG EXPLICATIVE, I AM NOT SCUM AND I AM NOT GIVING UP, IT IS JUST INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATING TO ME THAT AE WALTZES IN HERE WITH A CASE THAT IS SHALAKO LEVELS OF TERRIBLE AND NOT ONE BUT TWO PEOPLE HAVE EXPRESSED THAT THEY AGREE WITH IT. ARE YOU SO BLIND THAT YOU CAN NOT SEE THAT HIS CASE IS NOTHING BUT "THIS IS TOTALLY WHY SIR MU DID THIS, P.S. HE'S SCUM". HOLY -HELL- I CAN ONLY ASSUME THAT, IF YOU AND INFINIS ARE TOWN, YOU BOTH HAD A GUT READ OF SCUM ON ME FOR SOME GOD-AWFUL NON REASON AND ARE JUST USING AE'S CASE TO JUSTIFY IT TO YOURSELVES.
I really wish it was possible for me to express my anger without using allcaps and pseudo-swears.
HEY DON'T LEAVE THIS THREAD WUFFLES YOU'RE THE ONE WHO DECIDED TO COME IN HERE AND AGREE WITH AE NOW RESPOND TO ME OR FOREVER HOLD YOUR LYNCH! YOU DO -NOT- GET TO CALL ME SCUM, WATCH ME BLOW UP ON YOU, AND THEN LEAVE! YOU EITHER DEFEND YOUR POSITION RIGHT NOW SO I CAN RIP YOU THREE MORE HOLES OR APOLOGIZE AND UNVOTE ME!
But really, at this point, I'm just being silly.
(But but really really, unvote me or defend your position.)
Also, yeah, wow capital letters suck for expressing anything except how annoying you are. Now I remember why I got so mad at DV when he did it, although his was usually accompanied by size 7 text. Guess I just go back to a more restrained anger where I think the very angry post in my head while trying my best, and likely failing, to not have it leak into the post I'm making.
Sorry for my pseudo-cusses, whoever is offended. Though, this being the internet, I expect not many, though this being MTGS, I expect some moderators. I'll totally take a warning or whatever it is you want to give me, if anything.
Also an extra sorry to Wuffles; you can understand my anger though, right?
I am saying I am unsure about your alignment, but regardless of it, you are wrong.
But this takes the cake. Your saying your unsure of my alignment? You said nothing of the fact. I called you opportunistic scum. You said nope, then questioned if I was wrong. Meaning I'm not. Pretty much laughing in our face.
NO YOU LITTLE SMUG EXPLICATIVE, I AM NOT SCUM AND I AM NOT GIVING UP, IT IS JUST INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATING TO ME THAT AE WALTZES IN HERE WITH A CASE THAT IS SHALAKO LEVELS OF TERRIBLE AND NOT ONE BUT TWO PEOPLE HAVE EXPRESSED THAT THEY AGREE WITH IT. ARE YOU SO BLIND THAT YOU CAN NOT SEE THAT HIS CASE IS NOTHING BUT "THIS IS TOTALLY WHY SIR MU DID THIS, P.S. HE'S SCUM". HOLY -HELL- I CAN ONLY ASSUME THAT, IF YOU AND INFINIS ARE TOWN, YOU BOTH HAD A GUT READ OF SCUM ON ME FOR SOME GOD-AWFUL NON REASON AND ARE JUST USING AE'S CASE TO JUSTIFY IT TO YOURSELVES.
I really wish it was possible for me to express my anger without using allcaps and pseudo-swears.
Just a note, I am at a friend's house tonight, If a lynch occurs before then, it will be finalized during half-time of the super bowl or after the game.
I think we should test Shalakos shot by using it on PF. Or use it as the first lynch of the day tomorrow. But Shalako should not be allowed to come into tomorrow using his own discretion.
Shalako will you take heed and listen to the town on using your shot?
Just a note, I am at a friend's house tonight, If a lynch occurs before then, it will be finalized during half-time of the super bowl or after the game.
But this takes the cake. Your saying your unsure of my alignment? You said nothing of the fact. I called you opportunistic scum. You said nope, then questioned if I was wrong. Meaning I'm not. Pretty much laughing in our face.
You are a brick. ??? was a place holder for your alignment.
It doesn't really matter what he chooses because we're all going to mislynch him today anyway. Even if we place all our votes on someone else, we'll end up mislynching Zindabad. That's just how Mafia works.
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
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I don't understand your reasoning...well, I understand it but...wouldn't it make more sense to link floyd and I? Surely I've made my position on my opinion of shalako clear enough to be not seen as distancing?
Is it distancing?
It was in large part due to his DayKill and generally being useless.
His response to my Threat was W.I.F.O.M. because it's what he would have stated regardless of why he did it.
I was obviously not joking about Daykilling him and the fact that he allowed me to shoot him instead of using it as a 2nd lynch(as I was planning to Cite: Next quoted post) was a waste of my power for today.
Wuffles: Read my posts to discover why I'm voting you.
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[Mafia Stats] Mafia MVP: 1/3 Basic #29,Co-[CCMV]
And generally being useless? It was barely out of RVS.
1. And how was I supposed to know what a "legit" trigger/activation looks like? I had already confirmed with the mod that it was possible for my to fire by typing Daykill: X(bolded).
2. Maybe. Even likely P.F.'s repsonses are what cemented my thoughts on killing him.
3.I suggest reading his posts between His DayKill and Mine. No matter how you strech it there is no content.
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@EP: Oh, there's no reason for you to apologize. It really hasn't been an issue for very long, but thanks.
@Wuffles: So, the question now becomes is Wuffles backpedaling from being called out, or is this just a calmer, more rational reassessment. -His tone in this post makes me believe the outrage he showed was genuine. So,
Unvote Wuffles
-Also, yes, the DK was terrible, but scolding misbehaving powerroles isn't the top priority.
@Wuffles: Aren't you just suggesting a mass-claim here? -I think D1 is a little early for anything but soft-claims.
@Shal: Okay, I can somewhat understand why, though I look forward to whatever additional reasoning you'll provide tomorrow. -The one question I still have is, if you had wanted to use it as a 2nd lynch, why didn't you wait for more reactions when you proposed using it? -What was the rush?
@Sir Mu: This is a ... stretch, to say the least. -Beyond the fact of that being a lot of power for the mafia to hold in a mini, it would just be bad play. Sure, trying to false clear people is nice, but just offering to use the DK as a 2nd lynch probably would have accomplished that, but without throwing away two (strong) abilities. Plus, with that much scum power, there wouldn't really be a reason to try a gambit like this.
The reasoning here is so bad, that I'm having trouble believing Mu honestly means it. I think he is just trying to further smear the revealed power roles, who are already under suspicion, but in a new way so it doesn't look like wagoning.
Vote Sir Mu
2. HE DIDN'T FREAKING ACCEDE TO YOUR DAMNED "CLAIM OR DIE" POST? REALLY? WOULD YOU HAVE IF YOU WERE HIM?
3. OF COURSE HE DIDN'T POST CONTENT! IT WAS RVS! WHAT WAS THERE TO FREAKING SAY?
* Wuffles_II walks out of the room and shoots himself
Because he posted a Daykill at Sir Mu. As a DayVig I can't let that stand without invalidating my claim at a later point.
He forced my hand.
2. If I faked a daykill and the Real DayVig threatend to kill me?
Yes.
I wouldn't troll him into wasting his shot for that day.
3. Please reread my post.
I'm not talking about the RVS.
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Thats...
So hard not to abuse you right now.
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LOL
Or did you not just claim your reasoning for the daykill as "floyd claimed daykiller by attempting a daykill and so I immediately also claimed and tried to kill him"
I don't understand, Shalako. Please, try to help me understand why your first instinct after seeing someone lay down a daykill (which for argument's sake, let's say you truly believed was either a false claim or a genuine daykill attempt) is not to step back and say "hmm, okay, so he's false-claiming daycop. How best can I use this information to benefit the town?"
Instead, you immediately, without explaining why, advised him you would daykill him if he didn't fullclaim - a strategy that, quite simply, makes no sense.
Why not wait and see if the DK is legit, then go from there?
Why not advise the town that you have role-related reasons to believe Floyd is lying, and would like opinions on your killing him?
I just don't know why you would do that. It makes no sense to me, and confuses and infuriates me.
Well I saw how easy he was going to daykill someone so I let him waste it on me and not possibly kill a townie. I guess my role acted like a day doc.
I didn't tell him my full role when he requested it.
About the daykill:
Post #17
Post #25
It was clearly a joke and I think you are just grasping at straws.
LOL
Let's see zindabad's summary since it's been enough posts for him to stop lurking.
Also, vote archonoid.
This is such a joke. Someone is messing around in the random stage so you take it upon yourself to kill them?
Have you played in any games that players have faked daykills in the random stage?
This has nothing to do with you needing to validate your role. It's just you eager to kill someone. As town or scum? I'm not sure yet.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Shalako's arguments are a freaking joke, right? I thought I was just going crazy for a while there trying to get my head around his reasoning.
He's clearly town, if he can kill again, because even if Shalako is being completely irrational, Tanarin is a player I respect enough to assume he wouldn't place a multi-daykill role on a mafioso but man.
Shalako, please, please, PLEASE don't go rambo on anyone else before the lynch is decided each day from now on.
No it hasn't.
But I'll have something tomorrow.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
P.F. You mean guv not doctor.
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See, I agree with you that Shalako is "paranoid, stubborn, and always thinks he's right", however I do not believe this is his town play, I believe it's his always play. There is rather a different aspect to him that creates a divide between his town and scum self, and I'm not seeing the town side here.
Wins/Losses/Draws
13/2/1
Shalako (2) - pinkfloyd, Sir Mu
Wuffles_II (1) - Shalako
Sir Mu (1) - TheFooFish
Archonoid (1) - Emo_Pinata
Not Voting (7) - Toastboy, Wuffles_II, Archonoid, Infinis, Archmage Eternal, zindabad, Wolf with a Bass
The choice of the many will outweigh the choice of the few. It takes 7 similar choices to lynch.
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My thought process was:
It COULD be legit (I was unsure), but the way he is treating his role by hitting anyone for any reason, I am happy not to say it wont kill me if legit.
that's how I post. I guess I'm just a hollow person
LOL
1st post
Didn't like this post. Still don't.
Replying to Mu
Wants the randon to continue. Remember this.
Looking back on these it sounds like they know whats going on behind the scenes.
Mentions day kill. How ironic.
Look at what Shal says and think of what Shal did.
reads as a joke in random
He knows we're in randon, he's the one that wanted it to go on but now he wants a full claim.
Now we're on to Sir Mu. He wants to disengage from talking about the vig shot being fake/real. Ignores Shalakos attempt to have PF claim. Then asks if the vote is serious. Why? In his next post he does not follow up with anything. Looks like filler. Something to post just to post.
Now wants to do a softclaim. Its looking like Sir Mu is just trying to get all the info out there that he can get. Ignoring the PF/Shal situation, standing by hoping for an easy claim.
States is was a joke. Which was confirmed by the mod...
But Shal continues to push for the claim. There is absolutly no reason to continue this.
I'm gald PF pushed Shal here.
Now after sitting by letting all this unfold Mu comes in joking around.
He's happy that some info will be spewed into the thread.
Insinuating Wuffles is scum but appoligizes for "killing" PF. Why say that to scum?
So Shalako has more than one shot. We can dictate who, if anyone he shoots. Or we can have him shoot at PF again to prove he is a vig. If he has no other shots I can see him as scum with Sir Mu.
Now after the negative thoughts coming down on Shalako Mu moves to join that theory. Took him long enough to weigh in.
Sir Mu is becoming opportunistic.
Thing is, this post by Wuffles was at the start of the day, 17 posts in. Now you mention it? I think you now trying to force things in. You don't have anything so you trying to drum up anything.
Don't know what this is. But it looks like he's excited because Tan looks to be posting the daykill.
Got his info.
This is telling. He now weighs in after the fact. Questions why PF. Something that could have been asked alot earlier. The interesting thing here is the unvote of Wuffles now that a couple people have jumped on the wagon. He now is linking a daykiller and a bulletproof as scum. Something the scum would like to have help getting rid of. Also that duo, role wise, does not makes sense as scum.
You didn't see this earlier. I love how Sir Mu waits till after the fact to present these thoughts. He's hagning in the background waiting for all the info his team can get.
I know don't think there is a link between Shal and Mu. I see PF and Wuffles as town. I'm leaning scum on Archonoid.
I don't like this. Someone wants to vig another over random stage fun but you don't think theres any issue with that? You'd rather wait till things are revealed?
Sir Mu is opportunistic scum.
Vote Sir Mu
They hate us cause they ain't us.
12-11? I'm losing track
OK but what I'm interested in is that 15%. Whats that consist of?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Nope.
Yes, it is quite ironic that I, a townie, would correctly guess that Shalako had a daykill, especially in light of my accusatory statements of an inside job between Shalako and Pinkfloyd.
Good point, we should lynch Shalako.
Because I've played with Pinkfloyd in the past, I was 99% certain it wasn't real, so there was nothing about the daykill on me for me to discuss. I also thought Shalako was joking about the full claim, but I was apparently wrong. I asked if Wuffle's vote was serious because I was not certain if he was still in RVS or not. I didn't follow it up because I got what I wanted; an answer that, yes, Wuffles did exit the RVS.
I just thought a softclaim would benefit the town.
I had nothing to interject. I also am quite a joker, as evident by my nomination for funniest user 2011. On top of that, it was a reference to an ongoing game!
Information about alignment.
That a crime?
Yeah, I see an opportunity to A) State my opinion and B) Perhaps get a few scum feathers rustled.
You asked me who Wuffles was so I pointed you out to him. Yes, I understand what you really wanted was a reason I thought Wuffles might be scum, I just didn't have anything but gut at the time so I went with a joke, which promptly went over your head, through your roof, and struck your pet dog down, causing you to come up with some absurd theories about me in frothing revenge fueled ANGER!*
*Just so it doesn't happen again, that last bit's a joke.
Excited that we're going to get confirmation on whether it is real or not, yes.
Well of course I weight in only after I know the daykill is real. I think my theory make sense.
Who is you? Yeah, my town team. See, revealing your thoughts about a behavior may alter it, therefor the longer you wait to reveal them, the more behavior you have to go off of to back up your thoughts. Not that I often quote specific posts when revealing my thoughts, particularly because at this stage in the game I'm still going largely off gut.
Uhhh who were you actually quoting?
Nope. Archmage Eternal is wrong ???.
It has to be ironic yeah. Especially if Shal and PF are who they say they are and are town. Which is why you now group them together and want them lynched.
Thats a major damning point against Shal. Rather find out if he does in fact have more shots. I can see why you now want him dead.
PFs was obviously a joke. Shalako was not joking and said as much so I don't see where you can say you thought he was joking. Moreso finding out that Wuffles was serious about his vote(on a joking Shalako in your eyes) doesn't have you question either? No you waiting to see where the town will head so you can follow.
OK then lets here it. How could we benfit from a softclaim?
Well you said you wanted to match the thread title so don't see how thats involving another game. But if its ongoing forget about it.
Why would you not have anything? Nothing toward Shal about why he's trying to get a full claim or if his daykill is real? Your sitting idly by trying not to interfere.
How'd that work out for you? Not what you wanted, now your trying for the lynch.
It's active lurking scum.
You had plenty of chances. You've just waited to make sure you didn't look scummy. Oh lol. By the way what is your opinion. You just gave us two names.
Bull****. Sir Mu is now flailing scum.
No. We already know its real. Your just excited we're going to have a dead body.
All your theory is, is an attempt to rid the scum of a bullet proof and a vig that is pretty much confirmed town.
Well since I was quoting you, it is you, Mu.
So the longer you wait huh? That tells me your worried about how you come across and are concerned with which way the town will be going.
Archonoid.
Question marks? Really? Are you being pompous
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Eh?
No, but see, ur rong.
At the time I thought it'd give us something to talk about. Obviously we don't need that help now.
Because believe it or not people don't and shouldn't comment on everything. You, sir, are reaching so hard; please, loosen your grip.
I already told you what I think.
Nope.
My opinion -was- that Wuffles and Shalako was scum. Now it is that Shalako and Pinfkloyd are scum.
You're not even doing anything but repeating your opinion.
I didn't know anything. Did you? You had inside knowledge, Archmage?
Confirmed town, my behind.
alt:
My behind is confirmed town.
You must not be listening, then.
I am saying I am unsure about your alignment, but regardless of it, you are wrong.
You've been all over the place so far today, and your comments with regard to my opinions on Shalako reeked of mud slinging to see what sticks. I think we've found our first scum, AE.
Vote Sir Mu
Seriously I don't know what to do with you people. Knock knock, anyone home?
I've wasted far too much of my time and the town's time on him already today.
Of course, you didn't defend yourself at all there, which just makes you look worse for failing to try. Trapped scum, giving up.
NO YOU LITTLE SMUG EXPLICATIVE, I AM NOT SCUM AND I AM NOT GIVING UP, IT IS JUST INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATING TO ME THAT AE WALTZES IN HERE WITH A CASE THAT IS SHALAKO LEVELS OF TERRIBLE AND NOT ONE BUT TWO PEOPLE HAVE EXPRESSED THAT THEY AGREE WITH IT. ARE YOU SO BLIND THAT YOU CAN NOT SEE THAT HIS CASE IS NOTHING BUT "THIS IS TOTALLY WHY SIR MU DID THIS, P.S. HE'S SCUM". HOLY -HELL- I CAN ONLY ASSUME THAT, IF YOU AND INFINIS ARE TOWN, YOU BOTH HAD A GUT READ OF SCUM ON ME FOR SOME GOD-AWFUL NON REASON AND ARE JUST USING AE'S CASE TO JUSTIFY IT TO YOURSELVES.
I really wish it was possible for me to express my anger without using allcaps and pseudo-swears.
But really, at this point, I'm just being silly.
(But but really really, unvote me or defend your position.)
Also an extra sorry to Wuffles; you can understand my anger though, right?
Do I even bother to reply to this garbage?
But this takes the cake. Your saying your unsure of my alignment? You said nothing of the fact. I called you opportunistic scum. You said nope, then questioned if I was wrong. Meaning I'm not. Pretty much laughing in our face.
Caught scum is caught.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
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I think we should test Shalakos shot by using it on PF. Or use it as the first lynch of the day tomorrow. But Shalako should not be allowed to come into tomorrow using his own discretion.
Shalako will you take heed and listen to the town on using your shot?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
and miss Madonna?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
I thought the same thing when reading your case.
You are a brick. ??? was a place holder for your alignment.
The following three quotes analysis.
85% was just a number to say I almost completely agree except for a few minor points.
12-11? I'm losing track