Gah, of course Seppel would be ambiguous about my PM. It isn't impossible that Tilde is a cop, and my role confirms the existance of a cop. It's unfortunate that the statement is worded in a way that could be taken both as no other cops or has to be a cop.
So, for now, I believe Tilde is a cop. Iso is still lying scum and must be lynched. WoD is second behind him.
Why do you not believe Iso?
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You stated "The important part of my role is that according to my (Cyan's) experience, it is impossible for me to exist in a game without other cop roles as well.
Meaning there is no cop roles in this game."
How can that be taken in two different ways?
It depends on where you apply the negative. The easiest way, and the way that I took it, is make the impossible in the phrase and make it possible. So that would mean that there are no other cop roles.
However, if you apply the negative on the without and make it a with, then the statement reads as it is impossible to exist with other cop roles. This is a far bigger stretch of words, and so this isn't what I think it means, so I went with the first as it is far more intuitive and makes more sense.
Asking Seppel, well he didn't say anything either way. As per usual.
Why DO you? He has been acting like scum all game. His ability makes perfect sense on scum, and the investigation is a unconfirmable add on to make him seem town. And, his results will always be right because he is scum. I don't see how you could trust him.
@Cyouni The only reason I am trying to find another way to phrase that statement, no matter how much of a stretch it is, is because Tilde's claim directly contradicts it. I am trying to find anyway that my role can exist along with his role.
Why DO you? He has been acting like scum all game. His ability makes perfect sense on scum, and the investigation is a unconfirmable add on to make him seem town. And, his results will always be right because he is scum. I don't see how you could trust him.
@Cyouni The only reason I am trying to find another way to phrase that statement, no matter how much of a stretch it is, is because Tilde's claim directly contradicts it. I am trying to find anyway that my role can exist along with his role.
He has not being acting scummy. Dear lord do you know the likelyhood of someone whom has to find out exactly what a player ability is in order to nerf it and not have people look at them like either they are nuts or suspicious?
Talk about mission impossible.
What I don't get is how first you say your role dictates it's impossible for a cop to be in the claim (adding to your weak case on Iso) then low and behold Tilde claims a cop ability and suddenly oh I was wrong.
And I completely disagree with your comments and theory there Arch. Need I remind you about how Iso was in Star Trek where he fake claimed his role then switched it and counter claimed is scum buddies role, then faked that he need to hammer him in order to vote.
Not only did Tilde unvote Anak after it was clear what Anak was saying then revote after pressued, he now votes for Iso and pushes a clear counter wagon there.
Seriously I'm calling Anak/Tilde scum team right here and now.
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And I completely disagree with your comments and theory there Arch. Need I remind you about how Iso was in Star Trek where he fake claimed his role then switched it and counter claimed is scum buddies role, then faked that he need to hammer him in order to vote.
Which part of my analysis does that disagree with? Do you mean the part where I analyze who counterclaimed whom? I'm not sure what Iso's shenanigans have to do with that section, because the two people who actually counterclaimed are Anak and Tilde, not Iso.
Anak, question for you:
"The important part of my role is that according to my (Cyan's) experience, it is impossible for me to exist in a game without other cop roles as well.
Meaning there is no cop roles in this game."
Is the last sentence here a paraphrased version of a sentence in your PM, or is it merely your conclusion based on the previous sentences?
Tilde claimed Cop for...basically no reason. This makes me more inclined to believe him since scum would have been looking to actually gain something. Then Anak goes and hugely backtracks over his role PM based on...getting an expected cryptic response from Seppel?
I agree with Cyouni's #1150 that the interpretation seems to be very straightforward, and that there is very little ambiguity.
It looks a lot like Anak is trying to dig his way out of an impossible hole, and I'm very tempted to vote him once Tezz has...said something.
- Anak tried to counterclaim Iso. This makes absolutely no sense as a scum bus. Therefore, Anak and Iso cannot both be scum.
- Tilde counterclaimed Anak in turn. However, this happened when there was already a wagon on Anak, and could conceivably be a cred-gaining maneuver. It still doesn't make much sense as a scum bus, though.
Thus, Anak being scum makes it unlikely that either of Iso or Tilde are scum. But Iso and Tilde being both town is rendered unlikely by the role analysis. Conclusion: it's unlikely that Anak is scum.
I was reminding you about Star Trek Mafia when I referred to Iso. When we did the mass claim you remember how he fake claimed his role, then switched it and matched it to RO's role. He did this as town cred but never voted for RO.
I get that same read with the interaction between Tilde and Anak.
Things that don't make sense:
Tilde's unvote on Anak
Anak claiming he misunderstood his role after Tilde's claim
Tilde's revote on Anak after pressure.
Tilde's unvote/vote on Iso.
This reads too much like people trying to clear each other and hope that people will vote Iso instead.
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Wow, you really want him to do this, just so Iso can get one more vanilliafy in before he is lynched. Tilde doing that is just going to get Iso to get one more ability removal in before he dies.
On top of the whole apparent lying about your voting, you are my number two scum suspect after Iso.
After hearing more from Tilde, I don't believe him to be lying. The way he has played is consistent with him being a cop. I have a question for Seppel about this, then I will weigh in again.
And yes, I KNOW I am naive. That's what makes me useless beyond the one other statement in my PM/.
You really think there's enough support for my lynch today? Laughable, at best. I've already proven to two different people that my ability is once per Day. This will be further proof.
Gah, of course Seppel would be ambiguous about my PM. It isn't impossible that Tilde is a cop, and my role confirms the existance of a cop. It's unfortunate that the statement is worded in a way that could be taken both as no other cops or has to be a cop.
So, for now, I believe Tilde is a cop. Iso is still lying scum and must be lynched. WoD is second behind him.
He has not being acting scummy. Dear lord do you know the likelyhood of someone whom has to find out exactly what a player ability is in order to nerf it and not have people look at them like either they are nuts or suspicious?
Talk about mission impossible.
What I don't get is how first you say your role dictates it's impossible for a cop to be in the claim (adding to your weak case on Iso) then low and behold Tilde claims a cop ability and suddenly oh I was wrong.
And I completely disagree with your comments and theory there Arch. Need I remind you about how Iso was in Star Trek where he fake claimed his role then switched it and counter claimed is scum buddies role, then faked that he need to hammer him in order to vote.
Not only did Tilde unvote Anak after it was clear what Anak was saying then revote after pressued, he now votes for Iso and pushes a clear counter wagon there.
Seriously I'm calling Anak/Tilde scum team right here and now.
Welcome to the conclusion I reached in very early Day 1. But if you weren't married, I would so propose to you for this post.
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It depends on where you apply the negative. The easiest way, and the way that I took it, is make the impossible in the phrase and make it possible. So that would mean that there are no other cop roles.
However, if you apply the negative on the without and make it a with, then the statement reads as it is impossible to exist with other cop roles. This is a far bigger stretch of words, and so this isn't what I think it means, so I went with the first as it is far more intuitive and makes more sense.
Asking Seppel, well he didn't say anything either way. As per usual.
So let's see.
1. There are no other cop roles.
2. Cannot exist with other cop roles.
Am I just dumb, or do those two seem awfully similar?
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If Anaklusmos is not lying, that means there are no cop roles in the game, which means you're lying about a major part of your role, which means you're most likely scum.
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I've had some time to mull it over, and here is the situation as I see it:
Anak claimed that he must be the only cop in the game, and I feel that his claim wording unambiguously supports this. However, as soon as Tilde claims Cop, Anak is desperately trying to back track and deincrimniate himself.
I therefore believe that one of Anak and Tilde must be lying - the claims are totally contradictory- and that the likelihood is that Anak is the scum.
Iso adds an extra layer of complication - with respect to Anak's "no other cops" claim, a 50% day cop fits the bill much closer than Arcadic's one shot. This would imply that if Anak is town (and therefore telling the truth) that Iso is likely to be lying. Further, Iso is very unlikely to be lying about his ability if town - I don't see why he would have cleared GD but not claim a guilty on WoD to push the case. Therefore, lying Iso = scum Iso.
Behaviourally, however, Iso and Tilde are very unlikely to be scum together - but this is what a town Anak logically produces.
The most sensible conclusion, therefore, is that Anak is scum and lying through his teeth. Town Anak produces a very far-fetched situation where Iso and Tilde are logically - but not behaviourally - scum together.
In sum, I am very happy to vote Anak, and am content to proceed with his lynch once Tezz has posted his thoughts, and everyone has checked in after the holidays.
I've had some time to mull it over, and here is the situation as I see it:
Anak claimed that he must be the only cop in the game, and I feel that his claim wording unambiguously supports this. However, as soon as Tilde claims Cop, Anak is desperately trying to back track and deincrimniate himself.
I therefore believe that one of Anak and Tilde must be lying - the claims are totally contradictory- and that the likelihood is that Anak is the scum.
Iso adds an extra layer of complication - with respect to Anak's "no other cops" claim, a 50% day cop fits the bill much closer than Arcadic's one shot. This would imply that if Anak is town (and therefore telling the truth) that Iso is likely to be lying. Further, Iso is very unlikely to be lying about his ability if town - I don't see why he would have cleared GD but not claim a guilty on WoD to push the case. Therefore, lying Iso = scum Iso.
Behaviourally, however, Iso and Tilde are very unlikely to be scum together - but this is what a town Anak logically produces.
The most sensible conclusion, therefore, is that Anak is scum and lying through his teeth. Town Anak produces a very far-fetched situation where Iso and Tilde are logically - but not behaviourally - scum together.
In sum, I am very happy to vote Anak, and am content to proceed with his lynch once Tezz has posted his thoughts, and everyone has checked in after the holidays.
Thank you!
OMG I was starting to wonder if I was going crazy yelling out the back tracking that Anak took there.
Of course I'm of the opinion that Anak/Tilde scum team together.
Here is why:
There is no reason for scum to change their "claim" unless to help their scum buddy. By saying oops I did a bad he's giving the possibility of clearing Tilde by your thought process.
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There is no reason for scum to change their "claim" unless to help their scum buddy. By saying oops I did a bad he's giving the possibility of clearing Tilde by your thought process.
I disagree - it would be much more clearing to push a counterclaim hard, and have one cleared on the basis of having counter-claimed dead scum.
This looks more like Anak took a leap of faith with his claim and is trying to get out of being called out on it.
I disagree - it would be much more clearing to push a counterclaim hard, and have one cleared on the basis of having counter-claimed dead scum.
This looks more like Anak took a leap of faith with his claim and is trying to get out of being called out on it.
Meh. I have already said that all I was doing was trying to find a way to explain both of my roles and Tilde's being in the game together, I am not at all trying to backtrack and take back what I said.
You all will at least have a far better idea of who to go after once I die.
Eco phrased it brilliantly. On the incredibly unlikely occurrence that Anak is actually town, then we should definitely gun for Tilde next, as he straight up claimed to be a Cop, whereas the actual title of my ability is "Impossible Roleblocker". If Tilde isn't scum, I'll eat my hats. And I have a lot of hats.
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"Impossible Roleblocker"... Strange how that rolename doesn't even HINT at your so-called 50/50 cop ability.
And I find it funny you mentioned Hats Mafia there. Had I not been healthily paranoid, the AzPlan would have gone through and the Town would have had practically zero chance of winning that game.
Eco phrased it brilliantly. On the incredibly unlikely occurrence that Anak is actually town, then we should definitely gun for Tilde next, as he straight up claimed to be a Cop, whereas the actual title of my ability is "Impossible Roleblocker". If Tilde isn't scum, I'll eat my hats. And I have a lot of hats.
Yeah, you are actually right Iso. Tilde first. Then you.
If you both aren't lynched then the town doesn't deserve to win.
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I'm back, and not much to add here. I still think Iso is a better lynch, but at least Anak will give us some info, and it's guaranteed to be true that at least one of Anak, Iso and Tilde is scum.
Some One, Cyan, town unlynchable unkillable miller vigilante, killed Day 1.
Arcadic, Cyan, town jack of all trades, lynched Day 1.
iLord, Cyan, town 100-post abilitycop, killed Night 1.
show up as "Impossible Vigilante", "Impossible Jack of all Trades", and "Impossible Rolecop" respectively?
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Due to the holiday season, I won't be pushing for more activity until January 2. Also I don't think Tezz has access to the thread yet.
I'd hate to think that this game's flow is becoming dictated by player absences.
Good thing is that since there is a simultaneous instance of this game running, we'll see in the post-game if the "A" version moved along quite well during the holiday break.
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I just realized you've only ever played with me as scum.
It makes me feel a little warm and fuzzy inside to find that my scum play's become that much better. Thanks.
Also, three people claiming is not a reason for a massclaim.
It's not that. I'm going to guess that the scum's roles aren't going to be all that clearly scum, so we would be able to control the scum's abilities each night to our advantage.
I still fail to see where outing 4-5 town abilities to the 1-2 scum abilities would be of value, especially given the scum will probably be able to coordinate their targets even better.
It's a gamble. Either we'll get lucky or we'll get screwed.
This is not really a great way to play mafia. Mass claim is a last resort, not something to do for the sake of it.
Also, I'd appreciate it if you would make fewer spam posts and consolidate your reads and observations into one big post once you've finished re-reading. When you do, refer to post numbers instead of page numbers as everyone has variable posts per page. Thanks.
Nice to have you aboard though, we can finally get the game moving again.
Why do you not believe Iso?
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It depends on where you apply the negative. The easiest way, and the way that I took it, is make the impossible in the phrase and make it possible. So that would mean that there are no other cop roles.
However, if you apply the negative on the without and make it a with, then the statement reads as it is impossible to exist with other cop roles. This is a far bigger stretch of words, and so this isn't what I think it means, so I went with the first as it is far more intuitive and makes more sense.
Asking Seppel, well he didn't say anything either way. As per usual.
Why DO you? He has been acting like scum all game. His ability makes perfect sense on scum, and the investigation is a unconfirmable add on to make him seem town. And, his results will always be right because he is scum. I don't see how you could trust him.
@Cyouni The only reason I am trying to find another way to phrase that statement, no matter how much of a stretch it is, is because Tilde's claim directly contradicts it. I am trying to find anyway that my role can exist along with his role.
He has not being acting scummy. Dear lord do you know the likelyhood of someone whom has to find out exactly what a player ability is in order to nerf it and not have people look at them like either they are nuts or suspicious?
Talk about mission impossible.
What I don't get is how first you say your role dictates it's impossible for a cop to be in the claim (adding to your weak case on Iso) then low and behold Tilde claims a cop ability and suddenly oh I was wrong.
And I completely disagree with your comments and theory there Arch. Need I remind you about how Iso was in Star Trek where he fake claimed his role then switched it and counter claimed is scum buddies role, then faked that he need to hammer him in order to vote.
Not only did Tilde unvote Anak after it was clear what Anak was saying then revote after pressued, he now votes for Iso and pushes a clear counter wagon there.
Seriously I'm calling Anak/Tilde scum team right here and now.
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Anak, question for you:
Is the last sentence here a paraphrased version of a sentence in your PM, or is it merely your conclusion based on the previous sentences?
Tilde claimed Cop for...basically no reason. This makes me more inclined to believe him since scum would have been looking to actually gain something. Then Anak goes and hugely backtracks over his role PM based on...getting an expected cryptic response from Seppel?
I agree with Cyouni's #1150 that the interpretation seems to be very straightforward, and that there is very little ambiguity.
It looks a lot like Anak is trying to dig his way out of an impossible hole, and I'm very tempted to vote him once Tezz has...said something.
I was reminding you about Star Trek Mafia when I referred to Iso. When we did the mass claim you remember how he fake claimed his role, then switched it and matched it to RO's role. He did this as town cred but never voted for RO.
I get that same read with the interaction between Tilde and Anak.
Things that don't make sense:
Tilde's unvote on Anak
Anak claiming he misunderstood his role after Tilde's claim
Tilde's revote on Anak after pressure.
Tilde's unvote/vote on Iso.
This reads too much like people trying to clear each other and hope that people will vote Iso instead.
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With 9 alive, it is 5 to lynch.
Tezztris does not have access to the thread yet.
There will be no chance of AP loss until December 27th.
You really think there's enough support for my lynch today? Laughable, at best. I've already proven to two different people that my ability is once per Day. This will be further proof.
Oh, nice backpedal. Yup, scum.
Yup, scum.
Scumteam: Tilde, Anak, Arch.
Welcome to the conclusion I reached in very early Day 1. But if you weren't married, I would so propose to you for this post.
I'm so glad I'm not the only competent person in this game. Good god.
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After a quick sweep, I count 40 out of 42 posts (95%) as not containing fence sitting. Why do you ask?
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Eco: What is your view between Iso vs Anak?
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So let's see.
1. There are no other cop roles.
2. Cannot exist with other cop roles.
Am I just dumb, or do those two seem awfully similar?
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It is highly unlikely that all are telling the truth.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Anyway, no lies here, bossman.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
Happy Holidays, all.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I've had some time to mull it over, and here is the situation as I see it:
Anak claimed that he must be the only cop in the game, and I feel that his claim wording unambiguously supports this. However, as soon as Tilde claims Cop, Anak is desperately trying to back track and deincrimniate himself.
I therefore believe that one of Anak and Tilde must be lying - the claims are totally contradictory- and that the likelihood is that Anak is the scum.
Iso adds an extra layer of complication - with respect to Anak's "no other cops" claim, a 50% day cop fits the bill much closer than Arcadic's one shot. This would imply that if Anak is town (and therefore telling the truth) that Iso is likely to be lying. Further, Iso is very unlikely to be lying about his ability if town - I don't see why he would have cleared GD but not claim a guilty on WoD to push the case. Therefore, lying Iso = scum Iso.
Behaviourally, however, Iso and Tilde are very unlikely to be scum together - but this is what a town Anak logically produces.
The most sensible conclusion, therefore, is that Anak is scum and lying through his teeth. Town Anak produces a very far-fetched situation where Iso and Tilde are logically - but not behaviourally - scum together.
In sum, I am very happy to vote Anak, and am content to proceed with his lynch once Tezz has posted his thoughts, and everyone has checked in after the holidays.
Thank you!
OMG I was starting to wonder if I was going crazy yelling out the back tracking that Anak took there.
Of course I'm of the opinion that Anak/Tilde scum team together.
Here is why:
There is no reason for scum to change their "claim" unless to help their scum buddy. By saying oops I did a bad he's giving the possibility of clearing Tilde by your thought process.
mafia win/lose record
town (12) 6/6
mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
mafia record
Also known at mafiascum as farside22
I disagree - it would be much more clearing to push a counterclaim hard, and have one cleared on the basis of having counter-claimed dead scum.
This looks more like Anak took a leap of faith with his claim and is trying to get out of being called out on it.
Meh. I have already said that all I was doing was trying to find a way to explain both of my roles and Tilde's being in the game together, I am not at all trying to backtrack and take back what I said.
You all will at least have a far better idea of who to go after once I die.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
"Impossible Roleblocker"... Strange how that rolename doesn't even HINT at your so-called 50/50 cop ability.
And I find it funny you mentioned Hats Mafia there. Had I not been healthily paranoid, the AzPlan would have gone through and the Town would have had practically zero chance of winning that game.
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
Yeah, you are actually right Iso. Tilde first. Then you.
If you both aren't lynched then the town doesn't deserve to win.
Part of why it's Impossible.
Town deserves to win if they keep me alive. <3
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I would agree with you here had Tilde not unvoted Anak and tried to push a weak push on Iso.
Wow look at the vote on Tilde
Big words and no follow through. Gee I wonder why.
mafia win/lose record
town (12) 6/6
mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
mafia record
Also known at mafiascum as farside22
In other news, Anak's opinion has flip-flopped again. A lot like a fish out of water. Dying.
Still waiting on TezzTris.
So why didn't these fellows:
show up as "Impossible Vigilante", "Impossible Jack of all Trades", and "Impossible Rolecop" respectively?
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
My ability is Impossible Roleblocker. I'm not the creator, I wouldn't know.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'd hate to think that this game's flow is becoming dictated by player absences.
Good thing is that since there is a simultaneous instance of this game running, we'll see in the post-game if the "A" version moved along quite well during the holiday break.
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Welcome to the game.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
And I've confirmed you as town, actually.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
My ability confirmed you as town.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
You're welcome.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
What are your thoughts on Tilde?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I think pinkys_brain is playing her town game, fwiw.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Why Cyouni?
Meh with Iso/Anak and Tilde all claiming at this point I can't see a reason not to have a mass claim.
mafia win/lose record
town (12) 6/6
mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
mafia record
Also known at mafiascum as farside22
It makes me feel a little warm and fuzzy inside to find that my scum play's become that much better. Thanks.
Also, three people claiming is not a reason for a massclaim.
I still fail to see where outing 4-5 town abilities to the 1-2 scum abilities would be of value, especially given the scum will probably be able to coordinate their targets even better.
This is not really a great way to play mafia. Mass claim is a last resort, not something to do for the sake of it.
Also, I'd appreciate it if you would make fewer spam posts and consolidate your reads and observations into one big post once you've finished re-reading. When you do, refer to post numbers instead of page numbers as everyone has variable posts per page. Thanks.
Nice to have you aboard though, we can finally get the game moving again.