I would argue that more often than not, I would be inclined to NOT make a non-optimal play.
So wait.
You're saying that, if you're assuming I'm scum and that Anak is telling the truth, that you can't assume that it would be a good idea to prevent the town from seeing what he might flip so as to give my claim more credibility?
I want to lynch you for saying that, simply because of how strongly you've been pushing the idea that I'm scum since you've replaced in.
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You're saying that, if you're assuming I'm scum and that Anak is telling the truth, that you can't assume that it would be a good idea to prevent the town from seeing what he might flip so as to give my claim more credibility?
I counter your WIFOM by the statement that if you weren't pushing for him, people would be pushing for your lynch.
After all, his role practically confirms you as scum. If you didn't push for him, thereby saying he was telling the truth, you would be lynched.
The fact that you're ignoring this obvious counterpoint doesn't make me feel good about you.
Now since I've just painted a big target on my forehead, you'll excuse me if I don't come out and actually SAY it, especially while Iso's still around.
Now since I've just painted a big target on my forehead, you'll excuse me if I don't come out and actually SAY it, especially while Iso's still around.
Unvote
I think you might need to come out and actually say it, buddy.
You are saying somehow that you investigated Archonoid?
Archonoid?
Archonoid!?
Archonoid is NOT ISO.
WTF ARE YOU THINKING.
I'm beginning to think that the scum team is you, archonoid, and Iso.
Now since I've just painted a big target on my forehead, you'll excuse me if I don't come out and actually SAY it, especially while Iso's still around.
Unvote
Um. Why are you unvoting?
Also, I'd like to know what you were thinking by revealing this. And the exact result what you did.
I would argue that more often than not, I would be inclined to NOT make a non-optimal play.
So wait.
You're saying that, if you're assuming I'm scum and that Anak is telling the truth, that you can't assume that it would be a good idea to prevent the town from seeing what he might flip so as to give my claim more credibility?
No, I can't assume that. Maybe you think flip-flopping is more damaging to your credibility than Anak's flip. Maybe you think you can explain it away somehow. Maybe Anak is actually a scumbuddy and you decided to bus him. Maybe you think Anak is a threat for whatever reason and are willing to suicide to kill him. Maybe you decided you are going to get lynched anyway and may as well get a townie lynched first. Or maybe it really is in your best interest to try to stop Anak from getting lynched, and you just made an error. I don't know, and I'm not going to make assumptions about which is true. The heart of the "I'm not this bad as scum!" defense is to trick townies into thinking there's only one possible scum course of action. I am not going to fall into that trap.
No, it's not. Just because you have an investigation shot doesn't make you a Cop. Remember, I specifically mean Cop Role.
@pinky Arrogance is a scumtell because that person forces how awesome they are, they should automatically be trusted, and don't challenge them. A town should never act like that, as nobody is so blind that they are always right, so it's a good bullying act to push the town around into doing what you want them to do.
Because even though I haven't actually claimed, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. Iso has demonstrated that he's a bigger threat to me and the town than Anak. I would LIKE to see him lynched today, but everyone seems to be just milling around. Role limitation or not, you're not moving your vote and GD hasn't posted in days.
So I unvoted to see where the chips fall. It worked. It's verified you as the third scum in my book. (Iso, Anak and Wrath)
So Vote Anaklusmos. Assuming I live tonight, I'll likely get immediately nerfed tomorrow. Since GD's not around or been replaced yet, I have to hope Eco hammers before Iso unvotes his buddy.
Because even though I haven't actually claimed, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. Iso has demonstrated that he's a bigger threat to me and the town than Anak. I would LIKE to see him lynched today, but everyone seems to be just milling around. Role limitation or not, you're not moving your vote and GD hasn't posted in days.
So I unvoted to see where the chips fall. It worked. It's verified you as the third scum in my book. (Iso, Anak and Wrath)
So Vote Anaklusmos. Assuming I live tonight, I'll likely get immediately nerfed tomorrow. Since GD's not around or been replaced yet, I have to hope Eco hammers before Iso unvotes his buddy.
So, if Iso is the bigger threat to you AND the town, you want to kill me. Yeah, that makes sense.
Since Arcadic flipped town, and I wasn't going to touch Iso with a 10-meter pole. It was a choice between Wrath and Archonoid, as they avoided the Arcadic wagon.
Since Arcadic flipped town, and I wasn't going to touch Iso with a 10-meter pole. It was a choice between Wrath and Archonoid, as they avoided the Arcadic wagon.
Since Arcadic flipped town, and I wasn't going to touch Iso with a 10-meter pole. It was a choice between Wrath and Archonoid, as they avoided the Arcadic wagon.
I know Pinky is very new around here, but from what I've seen, she has a supernaturally good gut, so I'm totally barning her on this. Arcadic has been way over-aggressive, and in my humble opinion, she hit the nail on the head, and he's definitely worth pursuing.
You spent a lot of the day jousting with Iso, but not really attacking him.
You never research the stuff you say, and you make these big, definitive statements, and expect everyone to just accept them with... what evidence?
Certainly nothing you're ever prepared to dig up to back up your claims. You just expect everyone to take what you say at face value, even when you're blatantly wrong. A lot of people just let you slide since you're a pretty new player, but it's a bad habit, and it's annoying as hell, and it's not something that you should be able to get away with.
As you can no doubt tell, it drives me right up the wall.
If you want to make statements like that, and have people actually take you seriously, you have to back them up. Yes, I know that means you have to actually research the things you say, before you say them, but I for one will not let sloppy play like that slide.
TL;DR: Start backing up your sweeping generalizations with fact, or expect further scorn.
Now since I've just painted a big target on my forehead, you'll excuse me if I don't come out and actually SAY it, especially while Iso's still around.
Interesting.
So why didn't you counterclaim Anak immediately? Moreover, WHY are you unvoting Anak? If you're not lying, then you're saying that he is, and thus, is scum.
Iso was BEGGING to be targeted Night 1. Of course I wouldn't touch something so obviously toxic.
So instead of attempting to strengthen your case if I'm scum, or drop a lot of problems if I'm town, you choose not to investigate me at all? Pardon me for being a skeptic, but this pretty much seals you, Anak, and Arch as the scumteam for me.
No, I can't assume that. Maybe you think flip-flopping is more damaging to your credibility than Anak's flip. Maybe you think you can explain it away somehow. Maybe Anak is actually a scumbuddy and you decided to bus him. Maybe you think Anak is a threat for whatever reason and are willing to suicide to kill him. Maybe you decided you are going to get lynched anyway and may as well get a townie lynched first. Or maybe it really is in your best interest to try to stop Anak from getting lynched, and you just made an error. I don't know, and I'm not going to make assumptions about which is true. The heart of the "I'm not this bad as scum!" defense is to trick townies into thinking there's only one possible scum course of action. I am not going to fall into that trap.
There is no trap. I'm town. I'm good at weighing options, regardless of alignment, and I'm telling you what I would have done as scum. You can either take it as a lie and lynch me (if you can) and see that I'm telling the truth, or you can accept that it is the truth. There's really no middle ground here. This is Mafia, after all.
@pinky Arrogance is a scumtell because that person forces how awesome they are, they should automatically be trusted, and don't challenge them. A town should never act like that, as nobody is so blind that they are always right, so it's a good bullying act to push the town around into doing what you want them to do.
So would you consider it a scumtell if you were an ACTUAL Cop and you investigated that person? And that person continued to be arrogant? That's a terrible argument.
Because even though I haven't actually claimed, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. Iso has demonstrated that he's a bigger threat to me and the town than Anak. I would LIKE to see him lynched today, but everyone seems to be just milling around. Role limitation or not, you're not moving your vote and GD hasn't posted in days.
So I unvoted to see where the chips fall. It worked. It's verified you as the third scum in my book. (Iso, Anak and Wrath)
So Vote Anaklusmos. Assuming I live tonight, I'll likely get immediately nerfed tomorrow. Since GD's not around or been replaced yet, I have to hope Eco hammers before Iso unvotes his buddy.
I have no intention of vanillifying a claimed Cop, nor do I have any intention of unvoting Anaklusmos.
Since Arcadic flipped town, and I wasn't going to touch Iso with a 10-meter pole. It was a choice between Wrath and Archonoid, as they avoided the Arcadic wagon.
Again, why would you avoid me after that? And Wrath was the PRIME ADVOCATE OF THE ARCADIC LYNCH. You're slipping, Tilde.
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I'm still not very enthusiastic about an Anaklusmos lynch, but there seems to be a pretty obvious dichotomy between Anak and Tilde's claims. This is reasonable grounds for lynching Anak - we either confirm a cop or catch some scum.
I will not, however, be voting until we hear from GD.
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No, it's not. Just because you have an investigation shot doesn't make you a Cop. Remember, I specifically mean Cop Role.
@pinky Arrogance is a scumtell because that person forces how awesome they are, they should automatically be trusted, and don't challenge them. A town should never act like that, as nobody is so blind that they are always right, so it's a good bullying act to push the town around into doing what you want them to do.
Where did you come to the conclusion that it's a one shot ability?
@tilde: Why did you unvote Anak?
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Because I was bored and the game was stagnating. I've pointed out that Anak's claim is false. I've pointed out Wrath's claim is false. And everyone seems hung up on why I did something that doesn't make any sense to them.
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I had to clarify with Seps about my restriction after votes were reset post-SO.
And I ebwodp-d my vote in, which was fine, since I didn't lose any power.
Only if by "edit by way of double post" you mean "vote in your 5th post, nearly 24 hours after SO's daykill."
And Iso, you didn't shoot an investigation at Ganderin/Tezz, you nerfed him. You know he's town because you're scum. And odds are, that bit where you claimed to target Wrath is total fabrication. You still have your ability-kill shot for today. That's why you didn't use all caps on your attempts.
I have NO problem with either an Anak, Wrath or Iso lynch today.
Nope. Want me to prove you wrong? Claim your ability right now. I'll show you that I can't nerf you today, and if I nerf you tomorrow, then just straight up lynch me.
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Because I was bored and the game was stagnating. I've pointed out that Anak's claim is false. I've pointed out Wrath's claim is false. And everyone seems hung up on why I did something that doesn't make any sense to them.
Why do you think Wrath's claim is fake?
And people are hung up because if you believe someone is scum there is no reason in the world to unvote them.
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Nope. Want me to prove you wrong? Claim your ability right now. I'll show you that I can't nerf you today, and if I nerf you tomorrow, then just straight up lynch me.
Tilde, what reason do you have not to claim your ability now? If I nerf it, I'm obvscum. If I don't, you can see for sure that my ability is once per Day.
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Tilde, what reason do you have not to claim your ability now? If I nerf it, I'm obvscum. If I don't, you can see for sure that my ability is once per Day.
Tilde, what reason do you have not to claim your ability now? If I nerf it, I'm obvscum. If I don't, you can see for sure that my ability is once per Day.
Because you and Wrath are specifically asking me to clearly state my ability, even when it's obvious what it is.
YOU WANT ME TO ACTUALLY SAY THE WORDS.
Now there's no reason for you to want that unless you can do something to me today. I don't know that might be, but I'm not taking any chances.
Nope. I can't do anything. My ability is once per Day. Once again, if I'm lying, then may I be lynched. Otherwise, this will prove I'm not lying. What do you have to lose? Either way, you benefit.
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and it's NOT obvious at all - you can't just unilaterally declare "Archonoid is town guiez and Anak is not!".
Unless you're Iso, and if you are, people are just going to ignore you anyway unless you state good reasons for your previously unqualified statements.
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So, how many claimed cops of any stripe do we have now? One-shot cop on Arcadic, naive cop on Anak, 50/50 cop on Iso, and some kind of cop on Tilde? It's clear there's scum in that group, we just have to figure out who. Here is my evaluation of the possibilities from a pure role analysis perspective. I have to assume Tilde is a full cop unless he says otherwise.
- If Iso is town, Tilde is scum, and vice versa. A full cop and a 50% cop and a one-shot cop simply occupy way too much design space together.
- Iso and Tilde both being scum is unlikely. The way I see Anak's role, it's either hinting "there are no other cops" or hinting "there are DEFINITELY other cops". The former is strained because of Arcadic - the difference between a Cop role and a Cop one-shot seems quite forced. But the latter is an extremely weak, practically useless hint if the only cop present is a one-shot.
- Anak being scum or town has no tell on the alignment of Iso and Tilde. Him being scum makes sense, as it reduces the actual Cop quota to "one 1-shot, one either full or 50/50" which is reasonable. Him being town could also be possible because, though it's 3 Cop-related roles, his role is the weakest and provides no direct investigation.
Now, merge that with networking evidence:
- Anak tried to counterclaim Iso. This makes absolutely no sense as a scum bus. Therefore, Anak and Iso cannot both be scum.
- Tilde counterclaimed Anak in turn. However, this happened when there was already a wagon on Anak, and could conceivably be a cred-gaining maneuver. It still doesn't make much sense as a scum bus, though.
Thus, Anak being scum makes it unlikely that either of Iso or Tilde are scum. But Iso and Tilde being both town is rendered unlikely by the role analysis. Conclusion: it's unlikely that Anak is scum.
Unfortunately, this conclusion is based on probability and my estimates of what is or is not likely, rather than hard proof. However, it does mesh with my behavioral analysis so far. Anak has not been scummy. Tilde has been somewhat scummy, Iso has been very scummy. Everything involved can be explained by a simple hypothesis: Iso is scum, Anak is town that interpreted his flavor wrong, and Tilde is town cop. This would even explain why Tilde was so hard at Iso's throat from the very start of the game; remember that Iso claimed to have ironclad knowledge of g_d's alignment at the very start, which would naturally draw the attention of a cop.
Thus, Anak being scum makes it unlikely that either of Iso or Tilde are scum. But Iso and Tilde being both town is rendered unlikely by the role analysis. Conclusion: it's unlikely that Anak is scum.
Unless Anak threw out a false claim. Remember Anak said he KNEW he was naive.
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Thus, my vote is staying on Iso.
I'd rather lynch Iso over Anak today, they're both scum though.
Wow, you really want him to do this, just so Iso can get one more vanilliafy in before he is lynched. Tilde doing that is just going to get Iso to get one more ability removal in before he dies.
On top of the whole apparent lying about your voting, you are my number two scum suspect after Iso.
After hearing more from Tilde, I don't believe him to be lying. The way he has played is consistent with him being a cop. I have a question for Seppel about this, then I will weigh in again.
And yes, I KNOW I am naive. That's what makes me useless beyond the one other statement in my PM/.
Gah, of course Seppel would be ambiguous about my PM. It isn't impossible that Tilde is a cop, and my role confirms the existance of a cop. It's unfortunate that the statement is worded in a way that could be taken both as no other cops or has to be a cop.
So, for now, I believe Tilde is a cop. Iso is still lying scum and must be lynched. WoD is second behind him.
It's unfortunate that the statement is worded in a way that could be taken both as no other cops or has to be a cop.
How the hell is that possible?
You stated "The important part of my role is that according to my (Cyan's) experience, it is impossible for me to exist in a game without other cop roles as well.
Meaning there is no cop roles in this game."
How can that be taken in two different ways?
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So wait.
You're saying that, if you're assuming I'm scum and that Anak is telling the truth, that you can't assume that it would be a good idea to prevent the town from seeing what he might flip so as to give my claim more credibility?
I want to lynch you for saying that, simply because of how strongly you've been pushing the idea that I'm scum since you've replaced in.
Consider yourself on my scum list.
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After all, his role practically confirms you as scum. If you didn't push for him, thereby saying he was telling the truth, you would be lynched.
The fact that you're ignoring this obvious counterpoint doesn't make me feel good about you.
This statement is false.
This statement is true.
Now since I've just painted a big target on my forehead, you'll excuse me if I don't come out and actually SAY it, especially while Iso's still around.
Unvote
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You are saying somehow that you investigated Archonoid?
Archonoid?
Archonoid!?
Archonoid is NOT ISO.
WTF ARE YOU THINKING.
I'm beginning to think that the scum team is you, archonoid, and Iso.
Also, I'd like to know what you were thinking by revealing this. And the exact result what you did.
Your role pretty much confirms Anaklusmos as scum, if it's reading as what I think it is. So why are you unvoting?
Also:
And the exact result of what you did.
Iso was BEGGING to be targeted Night 1. Of course I wouldn't touch something so obviously toxic.
And right now Iso and Anak are equally scummy in my book.
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He's not scummy enough to kill today.
Why did you unvote, Tilde?
No, it's not. Just because you have an investigation shot doesn't make you a Cop. Remember, I specifically mean Cop Role.
@pinky Arrogance is a scumtell because that person forces how awesome they are, they should automatically be trusted, and don't challenge them. A town should never act like that, as nobody is so blind that they are always right, so it's a good bullying act to push the town around into doing what you want them to do.
Because even though I haven't actually claimed, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. Iso has demonstrated that he's a bigger threat to me and the town than Anak. I would LIKE to see him lynched today, but everyone seems to be just milling around. Role limitation or not, you're not moving your vote and GD hasn't posted in days.
So I unvoted to see where the chips fall. It worked. It's verified you as the third scum in my book. (Iso, Anak and Wrath)
So Vote Anaklusmos. Assuming I live tonight, I'll likely get immediately nerfed tomorrow. Since GD's not around or been replaced yet, I have to hope Eco hammers before Iso unvotes his buddy.
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So, if Iso is the bigger threat to you AND the town, you want to kill me. Yeah, that makes sense.
I'm lynching you because unless GD/GD's replacement appears Iso CAN'T be lynched. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH VOTES.
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I avoided the Arcadic wagon, hmm?
Are you actually serious?
I WAS the F***ing Arcadic wagon.
So why is that a reason to investigate them?
You stuck your first post vote on him. That's all you did. You said yourself that it wasn't based on any of your reads, but a barn of Pinky.
You spent a lot of the day jousting with Iso, but not really attacking him.
Cheerfully supported a SomeOne lynch.
More verbal sparring with Iso, without really saying much...
Then SO gets daykilled in post #491.. and now that I'm reviewing it again... I see posts 513, 514, 516, 535 and 536.
WHICH DIRECTLY CONFLICTS WITH YOUR CLAIM!
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Actually...it had never occurred to me. Fair point, though.
Interesting.
So why didn't you counterclaim Anak immediately? Moreover, WHY are you unvoting Anak? If you're not lying, then you're saying that he is, and thus, is scum.
Best distancing act ever, then, amiriet?
So instead of attempting to strengthen your case if I'm scum, or drop a lot of problems if I'm town, you choose not to investigate me at all? Pardon me for being a skeptic, but this pretty much seals you, Anak, and Arch as the scumteam for me.
There is no trap. I'm town. I'm good at weighing options, regardless of alignment, and I'm telling you what I would have done as scum. You can either take it as a lie and lynch me (if you can) and see that I'm telling the truth, or you can accept that it is the truth. There's really no middle ground here. This is Mafia, after all.
So would you consider it a scumtell if you were an ACTUAL Cop and you investigated that person? And that person continued to be arrogant? That's a terrible argument.
I have no intention of vanillifying a claimed Cop, nor do I have any intention of unvoting Anaklusmos.
Again, why would you avoid me after that? And Wrath was the PRIME ADVOCATE OF THE ARCADIC LYNCH. You're slipping, Tilde.
Oh damn, I'm not sure how I missed that. WoD, what is your explanation for this?
Then why didn't you investigate me?
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I will not, however, be voting until we hear from GD.
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Where did you come to the conclusion that it's a one shot ability?
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Also known at mafiascum as farside22
Because I was bored and the game was stagnating. I've pointed out that Anak's claim is false. I've pointed out Wrath's claim is false. And everyone seems hung up on why I did something that doesn't make any sense to them.
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
And I ebwodp-d my vote in, which was fine, since I didn't lose any power.
How do you figure?
I thought it had to be the first post of the Day?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Only if by "edit by way of double post" you mean "vote in your 5th post, nearly 24 hours after SO's daykill."
And Iso, you didn't shoot an investigation at Ganderin/Tezz, you nerfed him. You know he's town because you're scum. And odds are, that bit where you claimed to target Wrath is total fabrication. You still have your ability-kill shot for today. That's why you didn't use all caps on your attempts.
I have NO problem with either an Anak, Wrath or Iso lynch today.
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
Sound fair?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Why do you think Wrath's claim is fake?
And people are hung up because if you believe someone is scum there is no reason in the world to unvote them.
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Also known at mafiascum as farside22
You'd like that, wouldn't you scum.
Because Wrath LIED about his voting restriction. As I pointed out, Wrath didn't revote Arcadic until his 5TH POST after Some One was killed.
And me unvoting stirred up conversation, which resulted in catching Wrath in a lie that had been overlooked.
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
Don't dislocate your shoulder, Tilde. Reaching too hard can do that.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Because you and Wrath are specifically asking me to clearly state my ability, even when it's obvious what it is.
YOU WANT ME TO ACTUALLY SAY THE WORDS.
Now there's no reason for you to want that unless you can do something to me today. I don't know that might be, but I'm not taking any chances.
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
So either spill, or shut up about it.
Unless you're Iso, and if you are, people are just going to ignore you anyway unless you state good reasons for your previously unqualified statements.
And Tilde pretty much claimed Cop, I just want him to state it so that I can show him my ability is once per Day.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
- If Iso is town, Tilde is scum, and vice versa. A full cop and a 50% cop and a one-shot cop simply occupy way too much design space together.
- Iso and Tilde both being scum is unlikely. The way I see Anak's role, it's either hinting "there are no other cops" or hinting "there are DEFINITELY other cops". The former is strained because of Arcadic - the difference between a Cop role and a Cop one-shot seems quite forced. But the latter is an extremely weak, practically useless hint if the only cop present is a one-shot.
- Anak being scum or town has no tell on the alignment of Iso and Tilde. Him being scum makes sense, as it reduces the actual Cop quota to "one 1-shot, one either full or 50/50" which is reasonable. Him being town could also be possible because, though it's 3 Cop-related roles, his role is the weakest and provides no direct investigation.
Now, merge that with networking evidence:
- Anak tried to counterclaim Iso. This makes absolutely no sense as a scum bus. Therefore, Anak and Iso cannot both be scum.
- Tilde counterclaimed Anak in turn. However, this happened when there was already a wagon on Anak, and could conceivably be a cred-gaining maneuver. It still doesn't make much sense as a scum bus, though.
Thus, Anak being scum makes it unlikely that either of Iso or Tilde are scum. But Iso and Tilde being both town is rendered unlikely by the role analysis. Conclusion: it's unlikely that Anak is scum.
Unfortunately, this conclusion is based on probability and my estimates of what is or is not likely, rather than hard proof. However, it does mesh with my behavioral analysis so far. Anak has not been scummy. Tilde has been somewhat scummy, Iso has been very scummy. Everything involved can be explained by a simple hypothesis: Iso is scum, Anak is town that interpreted his flavor wrong, and Tilde is town cop. This would even explain why Tilde was so hard at Iso's throat from the very start of the game; remember that Iso claimed to have ironclad knowledge of g_d's alignment at the very start, which would naturally draw the attention of a cop.
Thus, my vote is staying on Iso.
Because he's trying to distance himself from his scumbuddy.
Unless Anak threw out a false claim. Remember Anak said he KNEW he was naive.
I'd rather lynch Iso over Anak today, they're both scum though.
Unvote, Vote Iso
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
Wow, you really want him to do this, just so Iso can get one more vanilliafy in before he is lynched. Tilde doing that is just going to get Iso to get one more ability removal in before he dies.
On top of the whole apparent lying about your voting, you are my number two scum suspect after Iso.
After hearing more from Tilde, I don't believe him to be lying. The way he has played is consistent with him being a cop. I have a question for Seppel about this, then I will weigh in again.
And yes, I KNOW I am naive. That's what makes me useless beyond the one other statement in my PM/.
So, for now, I believe Tilde is a cop. Iso is still lying scum and must be lynched. WoD is second behind him.
How the hell is that possible?
You stated "The important part of my role is that according to my (Cyan's) experience, it is impossible for me to exist in a game without other cop roles as well.
Meaning there is no cop roles in this game."
How can that be taken in two different ways?