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Gah, the problem I have is I really don't believe Arcadic's claim, but I just am not confident enough in myself to lynch him yet. Pulling the trigger on SO is very bad, but if he was scum why would he claim that in thread, when he knew how SO would flip? Nothing makes sense with him.
It's my belief he was basically forced to claim after his #492. I don't believe he anticipated that he would receive such a hostile reception after performing the kill.
See, this is what makes it so hard for me to give up the idea of Iso as scum. Does no one else see the scumminess of suggesting we lynch someone while they're gone, before they can even claim?
Not a joke. Tilde's scum and needs to die ASAP.
Really? Suppose Tilde is scum and can get lynched today. Why does it matter how long it takes to lynch him? Unless you're worried about him defending himself against your accusations? Oh wait, you claim not to be worried about that either:
EBWODP: It's not like Tilde defended himself against my case, anyway.
So, what's your motivation for this?
Arcadic does seem scummy to me, but I hope everyone takes or has taken a good look at Iso before we push a lynch. More generally, we're not at a stage where we need to rush lynches.
See, this is what makes it so hard for me to give up the idea of Iso as scum. Does no one else see the scumminess of suggesting we lynch someone while they're gone, before they can even claim?
So why are you okay with lynching Arcadic, claim and all, but yet you care about Tilde's claim, after it's been stated time and time again that claims probably don't matter in this game?
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Really? Suppose Tilde is scum and can get lynched today. Why does it matter how long it takes to lynch him? Unless you're worried about him defending himself against your accusations? Oh wait, you claim not to be worried about that either:
The longer a lynch takes, the more WIFOM that can be generated.
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So, what's your motivation for this?
Lynching scum at the most opportune moment to do so.
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So why are you okay with lynching Arcadic, claim and all, but yet you care about Tilde's claim, after it's been stated time and time again that claims probably don't matter in this game?
Not sure where you are getting this, as claims are always critically important, no matter how impossible the roles may be.
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The longer a lynch takes, the more WIFOM that can be generated.
Lynching scum at the most opportune moment to do so.
When that person can't defend themself is most certainly not the opportune time to lynch someone literally ever.
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Look at me all you want. I'm town to the core.
The more and more you say this, the less and less true it becomes.
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So why are you okay with lynching Arcadic, claim and all, but yet you care about Tilde's claim, after it's been stated time and time again that claims probably don't matter in this game?
Nice misrep bro. Note that I said we should not rush any lynches. That includes Arcadic's. And "a chance to claim" does not simply mean getting cleared/not cleared by the claim, in any game. It's a clear marker that a person is in danger of being lynched, is aware of it, and has a chance to defend themselves and provide final reasoning. There is no good reason to deny that chance to someone. Further, even on the claim itself, Arcadic's specific claim being received neutrally does not mean every single possible claim will be received neutrally.
The longer a lynch takes, the more WIFOM that can be generated.
So you'd rather rush into a lynch out of fear of WIFOM?
See, this is what makes it so hard for me to give up the idea of Iso as scum. Does no one else see the scumminess of suggesting we lynch someone while they're gone, before they can even claim?
I don't see that really happening.
Really? Suppose Tilde is scum and can get lynched today. Why does it matter how long it takes to lynch him? Unless you're worried about him defending himself against your accusations? Oh wait, you claim not to be worried about that either:
So, what's your motivation for this?
This makes sense but again I don't see it happening.
Arcadic does seem scummy to me, but I hope everyone takes or has taken a good look at Iso before we push a lynch. More generally, we're not at a stage where we need to rush lynches.
What about Arcadic seems scummy to you?
@Anka: I asked you the same question as I'm asking Arch above. Still waiting on a response from you there.
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Nice misrep bro. Note that I said we should not rush any lynches. That includes Arcadic's. And "a chance to claim" does not simply mean getting cleared/not cleared by the claim, in any game. It's a clear marker that a person is in danger of being lynched, is aware of it, and has a chance to defend themselves and provide final reasoning. There is no good reason to deny that chance to someone. Further, even on the claim itself, Arcadic's specific claim being received neutrally does not mean every single possible claim will be received neutrally.
I didn't misrep a single word of what you said. I'm aware that people receive claims differently. I'm personally of the opinion that the way people claim is far more telling that WHAT they claim, except in certain cases. The only thing that caught scum can do is generate WIFOM in hopes that they won't be lynched, their buddies won't be lynched, and the town WILL be lynched.
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So you'd rather rush into a lynch out of fear of WIFOM?
Lady and gentlemen, I present to you: Archonoid.
Hey Arch, you remember what happened in our last completed game (Star Trek Myriad Universes II) when I was allowed to generate WIFOM in an attempt to prove myself as a "neutral" or to clear my scum buddy?
Because if I recall correctly, you were swayed by my statements. Swayed to the point of where I had created a dichotomy that needed to be dealt with ASAP and you were willing to take my word over someone else's, despite me botching my false counter-claim horribly.
If you are so easily swayed by something that was so obviously a lie from a part of my first completed scum game, then I balk at the prospect of what lies Tilde could weave that you would fall into and never crawl out of.
Also, Anak, I thought of an excellent comparison for the "lynch him while he's away" disagreement. Saying that it's not easiest to lynch someone when they're V/LA is like saying it's not easiest to rob a person's house when they're not home. Get what I'm saying?
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I didn't misrep a single word of what you said. I'm aware that people receive claims differently. I'm personally of the opinion that the way people claim is far more telling that WHAT they claim, except in certain cases. The only thing that caught scum can do is generate WIFOM in hopes that they won't be lynched, their buddies won't be lynched, and the town WILL be lynched.
Tilde is not "caught scum".
Lady and gentlemen, I present to you: Archonoid.
Hey Arch, you remember what happened in our last completed game (Star Trek Myriad Universes II) when I was allowed to generate WIFOM in an attempt to prove myself as a "neutral" or to clear my scum buddy?
You got lynched. And then your scumbuddy got lynched a couple of days later. And the town won. Still think WIFOM is a threat? Worse than a hasty lynch?
Pinkys: The biggest single scummy thing I saw from Arcadic was the inconsistency in the statement regarding WoD. I also don't like his current approach with his claim. As iLord said, living as a "neutered" townie really is greatly preferable to being mislynched. And if he believes he'll be lynched regardless, then from a town motivation, he would still want to give us as much info as possible before dying.
I suggest everyone else does what I'm doing - ignore Iso, he doesn't listen to sense, he doesn't listen to reason, he only listens to the little leprechaun on his shoulder that tells him to burn things.
You got lynched. And then your scumbuddy got lynched a couple of days later. And the town won. Still think WIFOM is a threat? Worse than a hasty lynch?
Only because of how absolutely HORRIBLY I botched my counterclaim and the fact that a number of contributing factors (such as one of my scumbuddies accidentally self-hammering, another getting modkilled, and the one you are referring to just not contributing to the game anymore, in addition to the terrible roleblock/kill choices they made following my death). The scum had the game in the bag and they screwed it after I died. If things had gone according to my plan, we would have won that game. Anyway, the point was not the outcome of the game, but the fact that YOU were so easily displayed by a grandiose display of obvious bull****. But good job at deflecting from the original point.
I suggest everyone else does what I'm doing - ignore Iso, he doesn't listen to sense, he doesn't listen to reason, he only listens to the little leprechaun on his shoulder that tells him to burn things.
Offer him some gold and he might listen to ya.
I make more sense that you'll probably ever bring yourself to admit, WoD.
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Pinkys: The biggest single scummy thing I saw from Arcadic was the inconsistency in the statement regarding WoD. I also don't like his current approach with his claim. As iLord said, living as a "neutered" townie really is greatly preferable to being mislynched. And if he believes he'll be lynched regardless, then from a town motivation, he would still want to give us as much info as possible before dying.
Which statements are you referring to here?
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Anyway, the point was not the outcome of the game, but the fact that YOU were so easily displayed swayed by a grandiose display of obvious bull****. But good job at deflecting from the original point.
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There is genuinely nothing to say. Stop dribbling about Tilde and do something productive. Like lynching Arcadic already.
The game has obviously stalled, and just watching these posts rack up with Iso wasting space yelling about Tile and telling us how great he is for catching Azrael is really annoying.
I am being productive. I am pushing for Tilde's lynch. I am not changing my mind on this.
Regarding the Azrael bit, WoD told me he would find my reads more believable if Az were one of the people I caught. I have effectively done so. I'd stop *****ing if you guys would listen to me about Tilde and maybe Anak.
Anyway, I'm not moving my vote to Arcadic. Tough ****. If stalling a member of the town's lynch isn't something productive, then I don't know what is.
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I am being productive. I am pushing for Tilde's lynch. I am not changing my mind on this.
Regarding the Azrael bit, WoD told me he would find my reads more believable if Az were one of the people I caught. I have effectively done so. I'd stop *****ing if you guys would listen to me about Tilde and maybe Anak.
Anyway, I'm not moving my vote to Arcadic. Tough ****. If stalling a member of the town's lynch isn't something productive, then I don't know what is.
I can understand your position, although I obviously disagree with it. I am mostly grumpy at all these people who support an Arcadic lynch conspicuously not voting him. It's Day 1, for God's sake: a body is vastly more useful than anything stringing the day out further will provide.
Fair enough. I just cannot express how much I want Tilde lynched at this point in time. (If it wasn't obvious by now.) I'd just rather today's body be a scum body than a town body.
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Not willing to vote Arcadic at this point. Reread isn't finished.
After beginning my reread from the beginning, to about post 450, I don't see overwhelming evidence to lynch ~, or much of anything that changes my read I've had on him at current. More to come, obviously.
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I think it's null, mostly because he's speculating on the outcome of either end. Just because he THINKS WoD is scum doesn't mean he KNOWS he is. So I think it's fair to ignore that.
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I don't see that as a strong scum tell. I have seen people make statements like that before as town and scum, null.
I disagree with this reasoning. Every tell in existence happens as both town and scum. That does not make it null. It would only be null if town and scum do it in equal proportion, which I do not believe to be the case.
What makes Iso scum compared to his other games you have been in with him?
I suggest everyone else does what I'm doing - ignore Iso, he doesn't listen to sense, he doesn't listen to reason, he only listens to the little leprechaun on his shoulder that tells him to burn things.
So, ignore him until he starts making sense.
Seriously.
Do it.
I would except for the possibility that he could be scum.
Why does that possibility not seem to occur to you?
So some of your arguments that he's scum are based off behaviours that he does as town.
Why does that not concern you?
I already explained this. It concerns me, in the sense that I'd rather not have it be the case, and it increases both the probability that I might be misreading him (and he's actually town) and the probability that the others might allow him to coast (and he's actually scum). It is a factor to be considered. But it does not make those behaviors irrelevant or "null". Some things simply are scummy, and I think it is a poor choice to allow someone to hide behind an "I'm always scummy" meta. Mafia is not merely a meta game; you have to look at what someone is doing in this game. That goes both ways, of course, but the reverse isn't really relevant to the particular situation.
Yes, Mafia is not merely a meta game. Yes, you have to look at what someone's doing in this game.
Also, there's a difference between letting him hide behind meta and separating his play. Depending on what I see off Iso when my brain's awake, I might expand on this.
But one can not simply ignore how someone plays in general when building a case against them. When someone always does certain actions regardless of alignment, and you use those as evidence someone's scum, it's not terribly convincing.
So what makes those actions scummy for Iso?
I have not had nearly enough sleep for the past while so some stuff in the near future may or may not make sense.
I would except for the possibility that he could be scum.
Why does that possibility not seem to occur to you?
Oh, I know it's a very real possibility, and as I said, once Arcadic, who he's unilaterally defended with absolutely no evidence given whatsoever other than "HES TOWN GUIZ", flips, we'll know something more. Until then, or once he starts making valid, reasoned arguments, let him sit in the corner, and have slapfights with Tilde while the rest of us play mafia.
I disagree with this reasoning. Every tell in existence happens as both town and scum. That does not make it null. It would only be null if town and scum do it in equal proportion, which I do not believe to be the case.
How about on a player-to-player basis?
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I'm not judging Iso by meta.
Then how can you say my actions are any scummier than they normally might be? If this is my standard play, then how is there any basis for suspicion?
Oh, I know it's a very real possibility, and as I said, once Arcadic, who he's unilaterally defended with absolutely no evidence given whatsoever other than "HES TOWN GUIZ", flips, we'll know something more. Until then, or once he starts making valid, reasoned arguments, let him sit in the corner, and have slapfights with Tilde while the rest of us play mafia.
And once again, I ask you to explain how my reasoning against Tilde is not valid.
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I suggest everyone else does what I'm doing - ignore Iso, he doesn't listen to sense, he doesn't listen to reason, he only listens to the little leprechaun on his shoulder that tells him to burn things.
I have not had nearly enough sleep for the past while so some stuff in the near future may or may not make sense.
I would except for the possibility that he could be scum.
Why does that possibility not seem to occur to you?
So some of your arguments that he's scum are based off behaviours that he does as town.
Why does that not concern you?
Cyouni has a point. This could be part of a plan to make everyone write Iso off. It's worked for me in the past. (look no further than Star Trek II, which might also explain why Iso's got such a mad on for my lynch. Petty revenge)
Not that I'm expecting an answer to this, but...
Iso: Are you still clinging to your initial scum team :
I'm not surprised at all by this post. I am surprised he actually waited 30 minutes though.
Would have posted sooner but I was patrolling at work.
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Cyouni has a point. This could be part of a plan to make everyone write Iso off. It's worked for me in the past.
Why do you think I behave so erratically? I have intentionally gone out of my way to make my standard gameplay so outlandish that regardless of my alignment, people can't say I play any differently. But my play is effective all the same.
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(look no further than Star Trek II, which might also explain why Iso's got such a mad on for my lynch. Petty revenge)
Pff, you had little to no impact on the outcome of my lynch in that game. IIRC, you wanted to vote Zajnet or r_0 or somebody else at that stage in time. Either way, the game only ended AFTER this one began, and if you recall, I've been pushing your lynch since the start of this game. Besides, that would be, as you said, petty. I don't "revenge lynch" people, especially not if I believe them to be of the same faction I am fighting for.
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Not that I'm expecting an answer to this, but...
Iso: Are you still clinging to your initial scum team :
or has there been "new information"?
I still think you and Anak are scum but I have since removed iLord from my scum list, as I had stated earlier.
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Either way, the game only ended AFTER this one began, and if you recall, I've been pushing your lynch since the start of this game. Besides, that would be, as you said, petty. I don't "revenge lynch" people, especially not if I believe them to be of the same faction I am fighting for.
Your participation in ST2 ended when you got lynched as scum day 3, a good three weeks before this game started. It's worth a look as we can see both your town AND scum play behaviors.
I can understand your position, although I obviously disagree with it. I am mostly grumpy at all these people who support an Arcadic lynch conspicuously not voting him. It's Day 1, for God's sake: a body is vastly more useful than anything stringing the day out further will provide.
So what your saying is that despite a pause in the wagon after a claim your still finding enough people that would follow through with the lynch but want the dead body now? For information?
Sound familiar?
Regardless, if my lynch isn't moving forward i highly suggest we don't just wait for others input and instead move towards other targets. My case on WOD is still my biggest read.
Also, i'm barely on MTGS during the weekends, please don't request prods on me during that time.
So what your saying is that despite a pause in the wagon after a claim your still finding enough people that would follow through with the lynch but want the dead body now? For information?
Sound familiar?
If people were saying "oh yeah, that claim is good man, let's leave him alive so he can use it" or if anyone had actually produced a convincing reason you are town, you might actually have a leg to stand on. (Hint: Iso's gut is not a convincing reason)
The actual situation is that some players (Archonoid and Anaklusmos immediately spring to mind) have repeatedly said that they are willing to vote you, but have not. Their votes alone produce a majority, and their continued reluctance to move their vote will speak very badly of them once you flip scum.
In addition, no one has produced any kind of alternative - neither Iso's Tilde crusade nor your own attack on WoD count, the former because he's attacking Tilde for being Tilde (and, even if it was strong it has obviously not got enough support to produce a lynch today), and the latter because I think you're scum so I'm obviously not taking your case at face value, and no-one else is either.
You will also note that I'm not unilaterally vigging you. I'm trying to move an obviously stalled town.
So what your saying is that despite a pause in the wagon after a claim your still finding enough people that would follow through with the lynch but want the dead body now? For information?
Sound familiar?
Regardless, if my lynch isn't moving forward i highly suggest we don't just wait for others input and instead move towards other targets. My case on WOD is still my biggest read.
Also, i'm barely on MTGS during the weekends, please don't request prods on me during that time.
Way to not answer any of the questions I posed to you in my last post.
Can we please, please, please lynch this guy already?
Your participation in ST2 ended when you got lynched as scum day 3, a good three weeks before this game started. It's worth a look as we can see both your town AND scum play behaviors.
Look as much as you want, you won't find any differences between my scum and town game that I'm aware of.
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I like that idea.
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You don't see the bad part of lynching someone while they aren't around to defend themselves? Seriously? Please tell me this was a joke.
Even 100% guilty investigations still allow the scum to claim and spell out their role. C'mon man.
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2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
It's my belief he was basically forced to claim after his #492. I don't believe he anticipated that he would receive such a hostile reception after performing the kill.
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See, this is what makes it so hard for me to give up the idea of Iso as scum. Does no one else see the scumminess of suggesting we lynch someone while they're gone, before they can even claim?
Really? Suppose Tilde is scum and can get lynched today. Why does it matter how long it takes to lynch him? Unless you're worried about him defending himself against your accusations? Oh wait, you claim not to be worried about that either:
So, what's your motivation for this?
Arcadic does seem scummy to me, but I hope everyone takes or has taken a good look at Iso before we push a lynch. More generally, we're not at a stage where we need to rush lynches.
So why are you okay with lynching Arcadic, claim and all, but yet you care about Tilde's claim, after it's been stated time and time again that claims probably don't matter in this game?
The longer a lynch takes, the more WIFOM that can be generated.
Lynching scum at the most opportune moment to do so.
Look at me all you want. I'm town to the core.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Not sure where you are getting this, as claims are always critically important, no matter how impossible the roles may be.
When that person can't defend themself is most certainly not the opportune time to lynch someone literally ever.
The more and more you say this, the less and less true it becomes.
*Kanye shrug* Considering everyone said "HEY ARCADIC'S CLAIM DOESN'T CHANGE MY VIEW OF HIM"...
It most certainly is!
Yes, clearly the amount of times I say something is inversely proportional to how true it is. Foolproof mathematics there, Anak.
By the way, I'm Iso.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I don't see that really happening.
This makes sense but again I don't see it happening.
What about Arcadic seems scummy to you?
@Anka: I asked you the same question as I'm asking Arch above. Still waiting on a response from you there.
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Whatever the reason, I shouldn't be doing that.
I didn't misrep a single word of what you said. I'm aware that people receive claims differently. I'm personally of the opinion that the way people claim is far more telling that WHAT they claim, except in certain cases. The only thing that caught scum can do is generate WIFOM in hopes that they won't be lynched, their buddies won't be lynched, and the town WILL be lynched.
Lady and gentlemen, I present to you: Archonoid.
Hey Arch, you remember what happened in our last completed game (Star Trek Myriad Universes II) when I was allowed to generate WIFOM in an attempt to prove myself as a "neutral" or to clear my scum buddy?
Because if I recall correctly, you were swayed by my statements. Swayed to the point of where I had created a dichotomy that needed to be dealt with ASAP and you were willing to take my word over someone else's, despite me botching my false counter-claim horribly.
If you are so easily swayed by something that was so obviously a lie from a part of my first completed scum game, then I balk at the prospect of what lies Tilde could weave that you would fall into and never crawl out of.
Also, Anak, I thought of an excellent comparison for the "lynch him while he's away" disagreement. Saying that it's not easiest to lynch someone when they're V/LA is like saying it's not easiest to rob a person's house when they're not home. Get what I'm saying?
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2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I CAN'T FEEL THE WAY I DID BEFORE; DON'T TURN YOUR BACK ON ME, I WON'T BE IGNOOOORED
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Pinkys: The biggest single scummy thing I saw from Arcadic was the inconsistency in the statement regarding WoD. I also don't like his current approach with his claim. As iLord said, living as a "neutered" townie really is greatly preferable to being mislynched. And if he believes he'll be lynched regardless, then from a town motivation, he would still want to give us as much info as possible before dying.
So, ignore him until he starts making sense.
Seriously.
Do it.
Yes he is. I caught him.
Only because of how absolutely HORRIBLY I botched my counterclaim and the fact that a number of contributing factors (such as one of my scumbuddies accidentally self-hammering, another getting modkilled, and the one you are referring to just not contributing to the game anymore, in addition to the terrible roleblock/kill choices they made following my death). The scum had the game in the bag and they screwed it after I died. If things had gone according to my plan, we would have won that game. Anyway, the point was not the outcome of the game, but the fact that YOU were so easily displayed by a grandiose display of obvious bull****. But good job at deflecting from the original point.
Offer him some gold and he might listen to ya.
I make more sense that you'll probably ever bring yourself to admit, WoD.
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2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Which statements are you referring to here?
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Fixed the strikethrough'd word.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
A brief scan tells me that Iso unconditionally still wants Tilde dead, and several people vaguely agree with an Arcadic lynch?
I'll echo pinky's query with regards to Archonoid and Anaklusmos's reasoning.
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Good luck with your computer troubles.
@Mod: Can we get a prod on Some One? I think he got shot... (But in all seriousness, prod Eco and Arcadic, please. It's been over 48 hours since their last posts.)
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2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
There is genuinely nothing to say. Stop dribbling about Tilde and do something productive. Like lynching Arcadic already.
The game has obviously stalled, and just watching these posts rack up with Iso wasting space yelling about Tile and telling us how great he is for catching Azrael is really annoying.
Regarding the Azrael bit, WoD told me he would find my reads more believable if Az were one of the people I caught. I have effectively done so. I'd stop *****ing if you guys would listen to me about Tilde and maybe Anak.
Anyway, I'm not moving my vote to Arcadic. Tough ****. If stalling a member of the town's lynch isn't something productive, then I don't know what is.
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2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I can understand your position, although I obviously disagree with it. I am mostly grumpy at all these people who support an Arcadic lynch conspicuously not voting him. It's Day 1, for God's sake: a body is vastly more useful than anything stringing the day out further will provide.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
After beginning my reread from the beginning, to about post 450, I don't see overwhelming evidence to lynch ~, or much of anything that changes my read I've had on him at current. More to come, obviously.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
At this point in my reread, I think he's town, for no other reason than not behaving like scum Arcadic. But I would like to finish reading, also.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Nothing to say to my post directed at you, Arch?
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I don't see that as a strong scum tell. I have seen people make statements like that before as town and scum, null.
What makes Iso scum compared to his other games you have been in with him?
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(unchanged since last votecount)
Arcadic (4): Wrath_of_DoG, pinkys_brain, Ecophagy, ~Tilde~
Iso (2): Anaklusmos, Archonoid
Wrath_of_DoG (1): Arcadic
~Tilde~ (1): Iso
Not Voting (3): Cyouni, ganderin_dan, iLord
With 11 alive, it is 6 to lynch.
I would except for the possibility that he could be scum.
Why does that possibility not seem to occur to you?
So some of your arguments that he's scum are based off behaviours that he does as town.
Why does that not concern you?
I already explained this. It concerns me, in the sense that I'd rather not have it be the case, and it increases both the probability that I might be misreading him (and he's actually town) and the probability that the others might allow him to coast (and he's actually scum). It is a factor to be considered. But it does not make those behaviors irrelevant or "null". Some things simply are scummy, and I think it is a poor choice to allow someone to hide behind an "I'm always scummy" meta. Mafia is not merely a meta game; you have to look at what someone is doing in this game. That goes both ways, of course, but the reverse isn't really relevant to the particular situation.
Also, there's a difference between letting him hide behind meta and separating his play. Depending on what I see off Iso when my brain's awake, I might expand on this.
But one can not simply ignore how someone plays in general when building a case against them. When someone always does certain actions regardless of alignment, and you use those as evidence someone's scum, it's not terribly convincing.
So what makes those actions scummy for Iso?
How about on a player-to-player basis?
Then how can you say my actions are any scummier than they normally might be? If this is my standard play, then how is there any basis for suspicion?
And once again, I ask you to explain how my reasoning against Tilde is not valid.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
What does Arcadic's alignment mean of your view of me if he's:
Town?
Scum?
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'm not surprised at all by this post. I am surprised he actually waited 30 minutes though.
I'm willing to agree with this, except...
Cyouni has a point. This could be part of a plan to make everyone write Iso off. It's worked for me in the past. (look no further than Star Trek II, which might also explain why Iso's got such a mad on for my lynch. Petty revenge)
Not that I'm expecting an answer to this, but...
Iso: Are you still clinging to your initial scum team :
or has there been "new information"?
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
Would have posted sooner but I was patrolling at work.
Why do you think I behave so erratically? I have intentionally gone out of my way to make my standard gameplay so outlandish that regardless of my alignment, people can't say I play any differently. But my play is effective all the same.
Pff, you had little to no impact on the outcome of my lynch in that game. IIRC, you wanted to vote Zajnet or r_0 or somebody else at that stage in time. Either way, the game only ended AFTER this one began, and if you recall, I've been pushing your lynch since the start of this game. Besides, that would be, as you said, petty. I don't "revenge lynch" people, especially not if I believe them to be of the same faction I am fighting for.
I still think you and Anak are scum but I have since removed iLord from my scum list, as I had stated earlier.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Once you've finished, I'd like to hear your top candidates for scum.
Your participation in ST2 ended when you got lynched as scum day 3, a good three weeks before this game started. It's worth a look as we can see both your town AND scum play behaviors.
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
So what your saying is that despite a pause in the wagon after a claim your still finding enough people that would follow through with the lynch but want the dead body now? For information?
Sound familiar?
Regardless, if my lynch isn't moving forward i highly suggest we don't just wait for others input and instead move towards other targets. My case on WOD is still my biggest read.
Also, i'm barely on MTGS during the weekends, please don't request prods on me during that time.
My wife was on MTV with this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUutIZg2EpU
If people were saying "oh yeah, that claim is good man, let's leave him alive so he can use it" or if anyone had actually produced a convincing reason you are town, you might actually have a leg to stand on. (Hint: Iso's gut is not a convincing reason)
The actual situation is that some players (Archonoid and Anaklusmos immediately spring to mind) have repeatedly said that they are willing to vote you, but have not. Their votes alone produce a majority, and their continued reluctance to move their vote will speak very badly of them once you flip scum.
In addition, no one has produced any kind of alternative - neither Iso's Tilde crusade nor your own attack on WoD count, the former because he's attacking Tilde for being Tilde (and, even if it was strong it has obviously not got enough support to produce a lynch today), and the latter because I think you're scum so I'm obviously not taking your case at face value, and no-one else is either.
You will also note that I'm not unilaterally vigging you. I'm trying to move an obviously stalled town.
Nice last ditch attempt though.
Can we please, please, please lynch this guy already?
Look as much as you want, you won't find any differences between my scum and town game that I'm aware of.
@Arc: Sorry 'bout the prod, then.
It should be.
Negative. I'm attacking Tilde for being scum.
Nope.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player