- WoD caught an interesting slip by Arcadic. Town doesn't generally present scenarios where they will flip scum. I think Arcadic is at L-1 so I'm not going to switch my vote just yet, but I'm preparing to do so.
I count 4 of 6 on Arcadic atm (WoD, pinky, Eco and myself)
- Tilde, perhaps you were being obvious to others, but enlighten me: why did you flip-flop votes on Iso and Arcadic?
Hell no. Iso's actions are not coming from a completely town mindset. However, i haven't seen anything majorly scummy from him so i have no desire to vote him at this time. He's certainly far from in my Town pile though.
So I gave him the chance to hammer someone who I also believe to be scummy. Arc decided NOT to pull the trigger again.
If Arcadic is town, facing the noose, and had reason to think Iso wasn't town, it'd make sense to fire wouldn't it?
I'm town, but I've made scummy plays and am about to get lynched. I have a lot of abilities which could help the town, if I have a chance to use them though. I'm given the opportunity to lynch another player, who I'm very confident is not acting townie. Do I go ahead and take the shot or not?
If I were in that situation, I probably would take the shot, especially if I felt confident that I'd live to see the next day. (via a self protect I'm keeping under wraps perhaps)
Ah. So you were fishing YET AGAIN to attempt to figure out more of Arc's abilities and to see if he would jump on the chance to lynch me because you wanted to set up a mislynch for me in the event that Arcadic acted rashly as he did in the case of Some One.
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- WoD caught an interesting slip by Arcadic. Town doesn't generally present scenarios where they will flip scum. I think Arcadic is at L-1 so I'm not going to switch my vote just yet, but I'm preparing to do so.
Read the rest of the quote - it's not actually a slip:
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Wait, i thought i was scum? You've pushed for my lynch for the whole day and now its "we'll see how he flips". Ether you just pushing me for my actions and don't know how it effects my alignment, or you know i'm town and the reservation is because you know how i'll flip.Also, nice setup of Iso's lynch day 2. So, when i flip town, Iso's scum because he blindly defended me? So, Iso's been defending Arcadic, he flipped scum. Iso's scum, zomg vote iso.
Arcadic is simply trying to argue that no matter how he flips, WoD's trying to make Iso look bad.
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Read the rest of the quote - it's not actually a slip:
Arcadic is simply trying to argue that no matter how he flips, WoD's trying to make Iso look bad.
I know that. It's still a slip. If WoD was scum, he would know how Arcadic was going to flip. If Arcadic thinks WoD is trying to incriminate him "no matter how he flips", then Arcadic thinks WoD doesn't know Arcadic's alignment. That means Arcadic thinks WoD is town.
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I don't really agree with his qualms regarding WoD's attack on pinky. I don't agree with WoD's attack, but it's hardly as malicious as Arcadic made it out to be.
I know that. It's still a slip. If WoD was scum, he would know how Arcadic was going to flip. If Arcadic thinks WoD is trying to incriminate him "no matter how he flips", then Arcadic thinks WoD doesn't know Arcadic's alignment. That means Arcadic thinks WoD is town.
Ah, I see. Far from damning, but still concerning.
Until we know what kind of power we have, Arcadic is probably our most utilizable player in regards to how we can combat the scum. I think it wise to allow him to live.
Arcadic: Would you use specific abilities in tandem with the majority's wishes in regards to which ability you'd use? We could vote on it, but you'd be free to choose your targets. Though I think we should have input on kill ability choices.
Whaddya say, guys? I know most of you don't think he's town, but we can still use him if he agrees to cooperate.
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Until we know what kind of power we have, Arcadic is probably our most utilizable player in regards to how we can combat the scum. I think it wise to allow him to live.
Arcadic: Would you use specific abilities in tandem with the majority's wishes in regards to which ability you'd use? We could vote on it, but you'd be free to choose your targets. Though I think we should have input on kill ability choices.
Whaddya say, guys? I know most of you don't think he's town, but we can still use him if he agrees to cooperate.
Why are you asking about a kill choice?
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I know that. It's still a slip. If WoD was scum, he would know how Arcadic was going to flip. If Arcadic thinks WoD is trying to incriminate him "no matter how he flips", then Arcadic thinks WoD doesn't know Arcadic's alignment. That means Arcadic thinks WoD is town.
The point i was making is that WOD is making is seem like he doesn't know how i'll flip. He was purposely vague to enable himself to pursue Iso's wagon the next day.
There are 4 things i am going to reply to WOD about that everyone needs to read.
1.
Pfft. To trust a good argument from a player who I know to be a skilled player is not meta.
And are you REALLY going to use Iso as part of a basis for defense? Are you that desperate?
And just because I voted you in my first post does not automatically mean that I thought you were ZOMGDEFINITELYSCUM, at that point.
Yes, it is. Players have different levels of being good at finding scum. Pinky's "good gut" is a sign that she's had a good gut before in mafia and that is a part of how she plays, IE her meta. Your use of her meta is unfounded, just like Iso's defense of my meta is. They are one in the same.
Iso has nothing to do with my defense. My defense is that you wont accept meta as a reason for Iso's defense but are using it to enable your /barn of pinky's opinion.
Alright, after reading over the first 90 posts, I will now Vote: Arcadic.
This vote will not change.
These 2 do not compute.
2. Its not just your SO/Gigas thing that irks me, its your baby-sitting of the game as well. For someone i've played with who had to been prodded and poked to provide content until this game it's certainly odd that your way more active than ever before. SO's point is still valid though, you felt like you needed to answer for Gigas on a completely rhtorical question. You've also essentially claimed "cool role bro" with your meta evidence against my meta read.
3.
Notice how you've been calling me scum all game, yet you still haven't come up with a single reason why you actually think I'm scum, and your interactions with me are still just you using flawed accusations of hypocrisy to discredit my case on you. If my case on you is all you have to attack, then why did you ever vote me in the first place, hmm? Do you even think that I'm scum at all?
Because the entirety of your posts all have to do with me being scum? Minus the one where you jumped on SO's wagon for great justice with no reason?
4. I'm not withholding role information because i believe i should live. Its not up to me to decide that. I'm withholding it so that IF i live my role isn't completely neutered.
Requested Scum/Town list from Ilord. Townie:
iLord : Questions and line of questions seems to indicate a town mindset and his questions are always on the level as far as persumptions go. Leaning Town:
~Tilde~ : I've come to expect modgaming and crazy theories coming from ~~~. His actions, for himself, are coming from his crazy town side. I've not seen scum ~~~ in action ever, so leaning town here.
Archonoid (r. Gigas1): Gigas was a null read but Arch has read so far like a townie. His posts just have a townie mindset behind them. Leaning town.
No Read Yet :
Anaklusmos : Not much here to go on. His interactions with Iso so far read from a townie view, but lack of a stance on SO leaves me with mixed views and therefore neutral.
Cyouni : I'd say 85% of his sentences so far have been questions, based on a quick search to see what he had posted so far. I continue to be unable to discern his alignment from them. The biggest issue from keeping me from putting him as townie is his lack of stances or reactions in relation to his questions.
ganderin_dan : Needs to contribute more. Having a PR is usually a indicator of town alignment, but his play hasn't indicated it yet. Then again, gaming the impossible mafia game is not advised. He's confirmed town if Iso ever flips town, due to the "investigation"
Leaning Scum :
Iso : I could go both ways but his actions are more WIFOM than helpful. That usually spells scum but something is giving me pause to actually call him scum. He's tied to GD regardless.
Ecophagy : I remember disliking how he came to be voting for SO and his reactions to my wagon irked me as well. Something's off about Eco here, my read so far is leaning Scum. Scummy:
Pinkys_Brain : I've outlined this recently but pinky seems to be active lurking during my wagon. His lack of comments towards my wagon and its current activity plus his OMGUS style rebuttles don't look like town actions.
Wrath_of_DoG : Summary of case: WOD votes me. People ask Why? He comes up with /barn. Then adds this and that, then refutes that he ever barned.
Vig is the main role/shot that is missing from my collection. Everything else is 2 tier abilites that usually work the best when the scum don't know of their existence or what they are.
If WoD weren't attacking you (at least in this manner), would you consider him scum?
I can see where you're coming from, but I'm personally not getting a scum vibe from him. He's usually pretty useless as scum. I feel like his attack of you has clouded your judgment of him.
So could you do me a favor, step back from the situation, and tell me what you see?
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I don't really have much to add. I'm confused as to why Arcadic is still alive. The only people vocally against an Arcadic lynch are Arcadic himself and Iso, but despite this, Arcadic has been on L-2 for a week or something.
No-one has been swayed by Arcadic's claim, no-one has been swayed by Arcadic's case on WoD, but here he is still breathing. I suspect that Arcadic's scum buddies are being reluctant to drop the hammer.
In any case, I can't see this day ending any way other than with Arcadic's lynch, and I think we should get on with it and stop spinning our wheels seeing if some miracle will occur.
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I don't really have much to add. I'm confused as to why Arcadic is still alive. The only people vocally against an Arcadic lynch are Arcadic himself and Iso, but despite this, Arcadic has been on L-2 for a week or something.
No-one has been swayed by Arcadic's claim, no-one has been swayed by Arcadic's case on WoD, but here he is still breathing. I suspect that Arcadic's scum buddies are being reluctant to drop the hammer.
In any case, I can't see this day ending any way other than with Arcadic's lynch, and I think we should get on with it and stop spinning our wheels seeing if some miracle will occur.
Other than Ilord wanting an information dump and some players lack of comments on the wagon i agree.
Iso, that's really hard to say considering all of WOD's posts have been directed towards my lynch or directed at something not reletive to lynches. WOD's vote on me was flimsy and i stand by that as the basis for me finding him scummy. If he wasn't so indirect with his reasoning? Sure, i could find him not-scummy. But his reasons are wishy washy and come off as him just looking for a reason instead of having a reason to vote then voting.
I'm fine with being the lynch now that i've finished my info dump if thats what 6 players want. I won't be self-voting. If we are not lynching me i'd ask everyone to review why i believe WOD is scummy and comment yay/nay towards a wagon on him.
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Other than Ilord wanting an information dump and some players lack of comments on the wagon i agree.
Iso, that's really hard to say considering all of WOD's posts have been directed towards my lynch or directed at something not reletive to lynches. WOD's vote on me was flimsy and i stand by that as the basis for me finding him scummy. If he wasn't so indirect with his reasoning? Sure, i could find him not-scummy. But his reasons are wishy washy and come off as him just looking for a reason instead of having a reason to vote then voting.
I'm fine with being the lynch now that i've finished my info dump if thats what 6 players want. I won't be self-voting. If we are not lynching me i'd ask everyone to review why i believe WOD is scummy and comment yay/nay towards a wagon on him.
You keep focusing on my initial vote, yet you ignored why I placed it, as explained in my big post to you that you obviously didn't read.
If I don't place a vote in my first post of the day, I can't vote. Pitbull tunnel-vision Cyan. Same thing applied after the votes were reset.
Does that answer your question as to why I voted in my first post, and about how I was somewhat non-committal until after you murdered Some One?
Yeah. You can stop talking about how flimsy my vote is now, and if you'd actually respond to the big post rather than cherry-picking the parts you THINK you can deal with, that'd be just swell.
Here's what I find fasinating when I read Arcadic's list:
1) the fact that both Anka and Arch have talked about leaning scum on Arcadic but neither coming back or expanding on those reads.
One he has a null read on. Really because fence sitting and coming back post after post promising to read Arcadic and tunneling on Iso without giving that promised read is something null right.
The other is talking more about general discussion mafia then really explain why he finds Iso scum. I'm not sure how you get a town read on that.
2) The one thing I agreed with was Eco. I noticed how he voted for SO and then voted for Arcadic. He's following and I have yet to really see anything from him that is stand alone good scum hunting.
3) Iso leaning scum. Seriously? Based on his foot in mouth I don't give a **** attitude? Yes let me add that to scum tells
At best Iso is typically anti-town but there are certain language tells that go beyond Iso's typical behavior that I'm starting to figure out with him.
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Are argument was in this game. I read him scummy in this game because I felt he was contradicting himself horribly. ">300 mafiaHe replaced me in this game. He was able to figure out 2 out of 3 scum before he was killed and many found him scummy in this game was well. supernatural
He used meta from another game to find scum day 1. This is probably where a big part of his ego comes from too. Still people like myself got paranoid and he was vigged.
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Are argument was in this game. I read him scummy in this game because I felt he was contradicting himself horribly. ">300 mafiaHe replaced me in this game. He was able to figure out 2 out of 3 scum before he was killed and many found him scummy in this game was well. supernatural
He used meta from another game to find scum day 1. This is probably where a big part of his ego comes from too. Still people like myself got paranoid and he was vigged.
Those are all Basic games, with newbies. Anyone can catch newbie scum.
Once he successfully pins down Azrael or DYH or Axelrod, maybe then he's entitled to the attitude he has.
Until then, he's going to have to support his reads with valid evidence or I'm going to continue to completely, and utterly ignore him.
Until we know what kind of power we have, Arcadic is probably our most utilizable player in regards to how we can combat the scum. I think it wise to allow him to live.
Arcadic: Would you use specific abilities in tandem with the majority's wishes in regards to which ability you'd use? We could vote on it, but you'd be free to choose your targets. Though I think we should have input on kill ability choices.
Whaddya say, guys? I know most of you don't think he's town, but we can still use him if he agrees to cooperate.
I don't see this going well. Scum have a marked incentive not to be helpful to the town, and if he's scum, I can't see him providing any useful information.
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4. I'm not withholding role information because i believe i should live. Its not up to me to decide that. I'm withholding it so that IF i live my role isn't completely neutered.
Living as a neutered townie is probably preferable to eating a mislynch.
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In any case, I can't see this day ending any way other than with Arcadic's lynch, and I think we should get on with it and stop spinning our wheels seeing if some miracle will occur.
I'd actually like Arcadic to keep on talking. How confident would you say you are in your read of Arcadic?
Once he successfully pins down Azrael or DYH or Axelrod, maybe then he's entitled to the attitude he has.
I would also like to point out HETALIA, an FTQ, where I SINGLE-HANDEDLY rallied the town to lynch 2 scum in the first 2 Days (one of them being Azrael), and pegging another, though not pursuing that as I was too easily dissuaded of my view. (Which is another reason why I'll beat things into the ground when I think I've got a read; in Iji, I was too easily off-set and when I look back on it, I could have probably pushed hard enough for my 3 scumspects.) Anyway, I've got QUITE a track record, and as I'm sure you're aware, WoD, not only newbies play in Basics.
I don't see this going well. Scum have a marked incentive not to be helpful to the town, and if he's scum, I can't see him providing any useful information.
But he's not scum, so...even if his reads are off (I think he's got one scum right :)), it's still information, whether it's useful or not. And we need all the information we can get, since my cases are "WIFOM and gut" and my reads are "baseless".
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Living as a neutered townie is probably preferable to eating a mislynch.
Sometimes. Other times, a mislynch provides valuable information. I'd personally rather Arcadic live AND not have to give up this information at this time.
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I'd actually like Arcadic to keep on talking. How confident would you say you are in your read of Arcadic?
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My ability was a rolecop ability that worked on anyone at L-2. I told the town that we needed to put Az at L-2. After I discovered his ability, it was noted that he didn't redirect a kill ability to desCoures, who was modkilled and flipped scum. So then:
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Gah, the problem I have is I really don't believe Arcadic's claim, but I just am not confident enough in myself to lynch him yet. Pulling the trigger on SO is very bad, but if he was scum why would he claim that in thread, when he knew how SO would flip? Nothing makes sense with him.
Still think Iso is more likely to be scum than Arcadic, though just barely at this point. Also, while you did get Azrael, it was mechanically, not from a read, which really hinders your point. It is a lot easier to lynch someone when they are confirmed scum, and not "confirmed because I really think they are" scum.
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But he's not scum, so...even if his reads are off (I think he's got one scum right ), it's still information, whether it's useful or not. And we need all the information we can get, since my cases are "WIFOM and gut" and my reads are "baseless".
You don't know that. There is a very real chance that he is scum. And that is what makes his information bad. You see this right?
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Actually, I remember the incident a lot more clearly now that I've taken a brisk patrol in the cold at work. Let's recap:
On Day 1, we had a massclaim. Shalako and Sir Mu refused to claim. I (atlseal at the time) Rolecopped Shalako. Shalako's ability was basically a Doc protect on the person he was voting for at the end of the Day. atlseal and I decided it was best for Shalako not to claim.
Sir Mu and I butted heads a lot in that game. Of particular note was that I made a case against him, and he basically told me I was right, but that he was not scum. The way he responded to my case made me fairly certain that he was town. However, the rest of the town was not convinced. They wanted me to Rolecop Mu to determine why he wasn't claiming. I told them that I was okay with this, but then changed my mind based on something Az said, as he didn't fully claim during the massclaim. He was intentionally vague about "something involving redirection". One of the Community Choice abilities during this game was a "Kill" option. I decided I wanted to Rolecop Azrael instead of Mu. So I rallied enough support to put him at L-2. I PMed the mod, asking for Az's ability. No response. So I confronted Az about it. Evidently, his ability sent any ability that targeted him either to the fizzle zone or to the player with the least posts. Before desCoures was modkilled, he had the fewest posts. desCoures was scum. So this fact was pointed out and I called for Azrael's lynch. It happened.
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And to clarify: It was something that he said during Day 2 that made me want to Rolecop him. I don't quite recall what it was, but yeah. That's the story in a nutshell of how I nailed Azrael as scum. \o/
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Gah, the problem I have is I really don't believe Arcadic's claim, but I just am not confident enough in myself to lynch him yet. Pulling the trigger on SO is very bad, but if he was scum why would he claim that in thread, when he knew how SO would flip? Nothing makes sense with him.
Still think Iso is more likely to be scum than Arcadic, though just barely at this point. Also, while you did get Azrael, it was mechanically, not from a read, which really hinders your point. It is a lot easier to lynch someone when they are confirmed scum, and not "confirmed because I really think they are" scum.
You don't know that. There is a very real chance that he is scum. And that is what makes his information bad. You see this right?
What about Arcadic do you find scummy and why?
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I count 4 of 6 on Arcadic atm (WoD, pinky, Eco and myself)
Arc admitted Iso's not being very townie:
So I gave him the chance to hammer someone who I also believe to be scummy. Arc decided NOT to pull the trigger again.
If Arcadic is town, facing the noose, and had reason to think Iso wasn't town, it'd make sense to fire wouldn't it?
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
Hypothetical -
I'm town, but I've made scummy plays and am about to get lynched. I have a lot of abilities which could help the town, if I have a chance to use them though. I'm given the opportunity to lynch another player, who I'm very confident is not acting townie. Do I go ahead and take the shot or not?
If I were in that situation, I probably would take the shot, especially if I felt confident that I'd live to see the next day. (via a self protect I'm keeping under wraps perhaps)
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
Dick move, Tilde.
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Yes, because the best course of action when faced with a wagon because of your hasty actions is to make another ever more hasty and action.
I'll respond to WOD here in a moment.
My wife was on MTV with this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUutIZg2EpU
Read the rest of the quote - it's not actually a slip:
Arcadic is simply trying to argue that no matter how he flips, WoD's trying to make Iso look bad.
My Custom Set: Solescurio
My Custom Set: Solescurio
He's been doing a commendable job of making himself look bad, don't you agree?
He just looks a lot worse if Arcadic is scum.
I still fail to see how that comment by Arcadic wasn't a slip, though, I've read it several times.
* Wrath_of_DoG takes off beer goggles.
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I know that. It's still a slip. If WoD was scum, he would know how Arcadic was going to flip. If Arcadic thinks WoD is trying to incriminate him "no matter how he flips", then Arcadic thinks WoD doesn't know Arcadic's alignment. That means Arcadic thinks WoD is town.
Just gonna leave this right here.
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Arcadic (4): Wrath_of_DoG, pinkys_brain, Ecophagy, ~Tilde~
Iso (2): Anaklusmos, Archonoid
Wrath_of_DoG (1): Arcadic
~Tilde~ (1): Iso
Not Voting (3): Cyouni, ganderin_dan, iLord
With 11 alive, it is 6 to lynch.
Ganderin_Dan is V/LA until Friday.
Ah, I see. Far from damning, but still concerning.
Indeed, it should read "WoD's attack and its relation to pinky's" or something to that effect.
My Custom Set: Solescurio
Until we know what kind of power we have, Arcadic is probably our most utilizable player in regards to how we can combat the scum. I think it wise to allow him to live.
Arcadic: Would you use specific abilities in tandem with the majority's wishes in regards to which ability you'd use? We could vote on it, but you'd be free to choose your targets. Though I think we should have input on kill ability choices.
Whaddya say, guys? I know most of you don't think he's town, but we can still use him if he agrees to cooperate.
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@Iso: That's pretty much the same as allowing him free rein.
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Why are you asking about a kill choice?
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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The point i was making is that WOD is making is seem like he doesn't know how i'll flip. He was purposely vague to enable himself to pursue Iso's wagon the next day.
There are 4 things i am going to reply to WOD about that everyone needs to read.
1.
Yes, it is. Players have different levels of being good at finding scum. Pinky's "good gut" is a sign that she's had a good gut before in mafia and that is a part of how she plays, IE her meta. Your use of her meta is unfounded, just like Iso's defense of my meta is. They are one in the same.
Iso has nothing to do with my defense. My defense is that you wont accept meta as a reason for Iso's defense but are using it to enable your /barn of pinky's opinion.
These 2 do not compute.
2. Its not just your SO/Gigas thing that irks me, its your baby-sitting of the game as well. For someone i've played with who had to been prodded and poked to provide content until this game it's certainly odd that your way more active than ever before. SO's point is still valid though, you felt like you needed to answer for Gigas on a completely rhtorical question. You've also essentially claimed "cool role bro" with your meta evidence against my meta read.
3.
Because the entirety of your posts all have to do with me being scum? Minus the one where you jumped on SO's wagon for great justice with no reason?
4. I'm not withholding role information because i believe i should live. Its not up to me to decide that. I'm withholding it so that IF i live my role isn't completely neutered.
Requested Scum/Town list from Ilord.
Townie:
iLord : Questions and line of questions seems to indicate a town mindset and his questions are always on the level as far as persumptions go.
Leaning Town:
~Tilde~ : I've come to expect modgaming and crazy theories coming from ~~~. His actions, for himself, are coming from his crazy town side. I've not seen scum ~~~ in action ever, so leaning town here.
Archonoid (r. Gigas1): Gigas was a null read but Arch has read so far like a townie. His posts just have a townie mindset behind them. Leaning town.
No Read Yet :
Anaklusmos : Not much here to go on. His interactions with Iso so far read from a townie view, but lack of a stance on SO leaves me with mixed views and therefore neutral.
Cyouni : I'd say 85% of his sentences so far have been questions, based on a quick search to see what he had posted so far. I continue to be unable to discern his alignment from them. The biggest issue from keeping me from putting him as townie is his lack of stances or reactions in relation to his questions.
ganderin_dan : Needs to contribute more. Having a PR is usually a indicator of town alignment, but his play hasn't indicated it yet. Then again, gaming the impossible mafia game is not advised. He's confirmed town if Iso ever flips town, due to the "investigation"
Leaning Scum :
Iso : I could go both ways but his actions are more WIFOM than helpful. That usually spells scum but something is giving me pause to actually call him scum. He's tied to GD regardless.
Ecophagy : I remember disliking how he came to be voting for SO and his reactions to my wagon irked me as well. Something's off about Eco here, my read so far is leaning Scum.
Scummy:
Pinkys_Brain : I've outlined this recently but pinky seems to be active lurking during my wagon. His lack of comments towards my wagon and its current activity plus his OMGUS style rebuttles don't look like town actions.
Wrath_of_DoG : Summary of case: WOD votes me. People ask Why? He comes up with /barn. Then adds this and that, then refutes that he ever barned.
My wife was on MTV with this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUutIZg2EpU
According to Arcadic he doesn't.
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
If WoD weren't attacking you (at least in this manner), would you consider him scum?
I can see where you're coming from, but I'm personally not getting a scum vibe from him. He's usually pretty useless as scum. I feel like his attack of you has clouded your judgment of him.
So could you do me a favor, step back from the situation, and tell me what you see?
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Ah. Forgot about that.
Alright, then I see no reason not to let Arcadic live.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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I don't really have much to add. I'm confused as to why Arcadic is still alive. The only people vocally against an Arcadic lynch are Arcadic himself and Iso, but despite this, Arcadic has been on L-2 for a week or something.
No-one has been swayed by Arcadic's claim, no-one has been swayed by Arcadic's case on WoD, but here he is still breathing. I suspect that Arcadic's scum buddies are being reluctant to drop the hammer.
In any case, I can't see this day ending any way other than with Arcadic's lynch, and I think we should get on with it and stop spinning our wheels seeing if some miracle will occur.
I would also very much appreciate it if someone pushed Tilde's lynch for me after the fact.
Thanks.
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Other than Ilord wanting an information dump and some players lack of comments on the wagon i agree.
Iso, that's really hard to say considering all of WOD's posts have been directed towards my lynch or directed at something not reletive to lynches. WOD's vote on me was flimsy and i stand by that as the basis for me finding him scummy. If he wasn't so indirect with his reasoning? Sure, i could find him not-scummy. But his reasons are wishy washy and come off as him just looking for a reason instead of having a reason to vote then voting.
I'm fine with being the lynch now that i've finished my info dump if thats what 6 players want. I won't be self-voting. If we are not lynching me i'd ask everyone to review why i believe WOD is scummy and comment yay/nay towards a wagon on him.
My wife was on MTV with this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUutIZg2EpU
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Yeah. You can stop talking about how flimsy my vote is now, and if you'd actually respond to the big post rather than cherry-picking the parts you THINK you can deal with, that'd be just swell.
1) the fact that both Anka and Arch have talked about leaning scum on Arcadic but neither coming back or expanding on those reads.
One he has a null read on. Really because fence sitting and coming back post after post promising to read Arcadic and tunneling on Iso without giving that promised read is something null right.
The other is talking more about general discussion mafia then really explain why he finds Iso scum. I'm not sure how you get a town read on that.
2) The one thing I agreed with was Eco. I noticed how he voted for SO and then voted for Arcadic. He's following and I have yet to really see anything from him that is stand alone good scum hunting.
3) Iso leaning scum. Seriously? Based on his foot in mouth I don't give a **** attitude? Yes let me add that to scum tells
At best Iso is typically anti-town but there are certain language tells that go beyond Iso's typical behavior that I'm starting to figure out with him.
For those who need more info on Iso I have Mario bro's He was Abe Lincoln
Agatha Christy
Are argument was in this game. I read him scummy in this game because I felt he was contradicting himself horribly.
">300 mafiaHe replaced me in this game. He was able to figure out 2 out of 3 scum before he was killed and many found him scummy in this game was well.
supernatural
He used meta from another game to find scum day 1. This is probably where a big part of his ego comes from too. Still people like myself got paranoid and he was vigged.
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Once he successfully pins down Azrael or DYH or Axelrod, maybe then he's entitled to the attitude he has.
Until then, he's going to have to support his reads with valid evidence or I'm going to continue to completely, and utterly ignore him.
I can't mention on-going game or else
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I don't see this going well. Scum have a marked incentive not to be helpful to the town, and if he's scum, I can't see him providing any useful information.
Living as a neutered townie is probably preferable to eating a mislynch.
I'd actually like Arcadic to keep on talking. How confident would you say you are in your read of Arcadic?
My Custom Set: Solescurio
I would also like to point out HETALIA, an FTQ, where I SINGLE-HANDEDLY rallied the town to lynch 2 scum in the first 2 Days (one of them being Azrael), and pegging another, though not pursuing that as I was too easily dissuaded of my view. (Which is another reason why I'll beat things into the ground when I think I've got a read; in Iji, I was too easily off-set and when I look back on it, I could have probably pushed hard enough for my 3 scumspects.) Anyway, I've got QUITE a track record, and as I'm sure you're aware, WoD, not only newbies play in Basics.
But he's not scum, so...even if his reads are off (I think he's got one scum right :)), it's still information, whether it's useful or not. And we need all the information we can get, since my cases are "WIFOM and gut" and my reads are "baseless".
Sometimes. Other times, a mislynch provides valuable information. I'd personally rather Arcadic live AND not have to give up this information at this time.
/barn
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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My ability was a rolecop ability that worked on anyone at L-2. I told the town that we needed to put Az at L-2. After I discovered his ability, it was noted that he didn't redirect a kill ability to desCoures, who was modkilled and flipped scum. So then:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=7219457&postcount=2431
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=7219461&postcount=2432
And that was the catalyst.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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Still think Iso is more likely to be scum than Arcadic, though just barely at this point. Also, while you did get Azrael, it was mechanically, not from a read, which really hinders your point. It is a lot easier to lynch someone when they are confirmed scum, and not "confirmed because I really think they are" scum.
You don't know that. There is a very real chance that he is scum. And that is what makes his information bad. You see this right?
@Anak: RE: Arcadic being scum: Yes, I understand that point, but I don't believe Arcadic is scum.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
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On Day 1, we had a massclaim. Shalako and Sir Mu refused to claim. I (atlseal at the time) Rolecopped Shalako. Shalako's ability was basically a Doc protect on the person he was voting for at the end of the Day. atlseal and I decided it was best for Shalako not to claim.
Sir Mu and I butted heads a lot in that game. Of particular note was that I made a case against him, and he basically told me I was right, but that he was not scum. The way he responded to my case made me fairly certain that he was town. However, the rest of the town was not convinced. They wanted me to Rolecop Mu to determine why he wasn't claiming. I told them that I was okay with this, but then changed my mind based on something Az said, as he didn't fully claim during the massclaim. He was intentionally vague about "something involving redirection". One of the Community Choice abilities during this game was a "Kill" option. I decided I wanted to Rolecop Azrael instead of Mu. So I rallied enough support to put him at L-2. I PMed the mod, asking for Az's ability. No response. So I confronted Az about it. Evidently, his ability sent any ability that targeted him either to the fizzle zone or to the player with the least posts. Before desCoures was modkilled, he had the fewest posts. desCoures was scum. So this fact was pointed out and I called for Azrael's lynch. It happened.
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Any questions?
Sorry about the quad post.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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Y'know, as a favor, since I removed your PR and confirmed your alignment and everything. <3
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What about Arcadic do you find scummy and why?
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I didn't really see much as of ~400 posts ago
Just look hard, comrade.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.