Cute. But non-productive. Please don't do that in the future. Still need this weekend to go over Roja, myself, but waiting on SP first.
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I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
I cannot wait for your 180 tomorrow when I come up town. So explain me this Iso, Why exactly are you letting Dagger "live" another Day? Why are you putting it off? What have I done so "scummy" that makes me out worse then Dagger?
Pfft, what 180? There's no doubt in my mind that you're scum. You and Dagger both. Town has this in the bag.
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And what about the babble with Loran and DM being confirmed town? Like welcome to day two when that has already been established.
I made a post when I was tired, realized it didn't make much sense, and opted to clarify.
And that last part.. He is ending the day KNOWING he will be living tomorrow.. I mean why hold on asking questions if they are worth asking? If it is something relivent then shouldn't it be mentioned now... when he is ALIVE. I mean WHY EVEN SAY IT?
Nice OMGUS sentiment. You know, towards the person who started the current wagon on you.
And in case my breadcrumbing did not hint at it strongly enough, I will NOT be dying tonight. That is why I'm leaving it for tomorrow.
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Pfft, what 180? There's no doubt in my mind that you're scum. You and Dagger both. Town has this in the bag.
WHoooot so your first line tomorrow.
"I dont know what exactly I was thinking.. I guess Roja was just really bad and I really REALLY thought he was scum." Cannot wait.
I made a post when I was tired, realized it didn't make much sense, and opted to clarify.
So when im tired and have no time im scum. But it's perfectly normal for you to do so and should be ignored.
Nice OMGUS sentiment. You know, towards the person who started the current wagon on you.
Once again Iso the only reason i stopped "going after" you was your post on Dagger.. If you feel that is enough for an OMGUS then congratz. And to be honest this wagon was started with The Doctor not really liking Dagger as a vote. Not you.
And in case my breadcrumbing did not hint at it strongly enough, I will NOT be dying tonight. That is why I'm leaving it for tomorrow.
So you have more to talk about but instead of sharing it you will just "survive" until tomorrow.
Actually, I meant tomorrow, in-game day.
Bwhahaha I knew somethings Manders didn't about her bff.
"So, unless someone has something important to add, I propose we just go ahead and end this day."
I suggest the sheep stop following the herd and actually play the game.
I think Dagger and Iso are the scum team start there tomorrow after my lynch.. Then again you yourself need to be evaluated as you are the reason for my demise.
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I'm sure I need to catch up on this game. I'm away from home, yet again, because my oldest nephew is having his appendix taken out and I'm at their house watching the other 3 boys. I don't know when I'll be back home, though.
"I dont know what exactly I was thinking.. I guess Roja was just really bad and I really REALLY thought he was scum." Cannot wait.
No, I know exactly what I'm thinking, and it's that you're scum.
Quote from RojaSo when im tired and have no time im scum. But it"s perfectly normal for you to do so and should be ignored.[/QUOTE »
There's a difference, though. My post wasn't scummy, it just didn't make sense. Yours was scummy.
[QUOTE=Roja]Once again Iso the only reason i stopped "going after" you was your post on Dagger.. If you feel that is enough for an OMGUS then congratz. And to be honest this wagon was started with The Doctor not really liking Dagger as a vote. Not you.
Uhh, no? I provided the case against Dagger, it gained momentum, and I still think Dagger is scum. Doc wasn't the reason the wagon took off, IIRC.
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So you have more to talk about but instead of sharing it you will just "survive" until tomorrow.
Yup.
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I think Dagger and Iso are the scum team start there tomorrow after my lynch.. Then again you yourself need to be evaluated as you are the reason for my demise.
Really? You're just gonna fling dirt at everyone you can before you die, aren't you?
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I'm more for a dagger lynch today. Then look into JS. I don't like roja's wagon.
Also doc, "The difference is that you seem to be considering (even if it's on a minute level) that Manders and Iso are scum-buddies with Seppel." So you are denying any possibility of that happening? He makes a side thought of something that is possible and you automatically put it as if Iso and Manders and confirmed town and there were no buddying interactions between any of them.
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I mean, I know it's not officially official that I'm cleared, but it might as well be. And Manders knew the town win condition, so there's no way she can be scum. So yeah...pretty much.
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I'm more for a dagger lynch today. Then look into JS. I don't like roja's wagon.
Also doc, "The difference is that you seem to be considering (even if it's on a minute level) that Manders and Iso are scum-buddies with Seppel." So you are denying any possibility of that happening? He makes a side thought of something that is possible and you automatically put it as if Iso and Manders and confirmed town and there were no buddying interactions between any of them.
"Manders knew the town win condition to verify Tanarin's claim of it. Chances are slim to none that she would be scum. So yeah, right there, I don't consider it a possibility that Manders and Iso are Seppel's scum buddies."
"While we're waiting around. As someone that's apparently for the Dagger wagon, why did you not vote him when the wagon was going on?"
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I'm home but have a crapload of stuff to do what with moving this weekend and having not packed a damn thing. When I have time, I will bust out a PBPA on Roja for ya.
Sorry, guys. RL has been insane this past weekend/beginning of the week. I've been away from the house more than I've been home.
Oh, and to answer Iso's question: in the unlikely event they both flipped town, I would be torn between The_Doctor, Reya, jskura, and loran, in no particular order.
Really? You're just gonna fling dirt at everyone you can before you die, aren't you?
Well I really have nothing to answer for. Doctor was the only one to bring a case against me and I answered him. You and Manders are just following without giving me anything to reply too. I think you are both still upset about my day 1 grouping you with seppel. And I really think you are scum.
So far I have nothing to answer to with Manders, im simply scum.
I want to know exactly how she got to this conclusion. Because I don't feel I have been that scummy, I have tried to play this game the best I know how. And if that is considered scummy.. I have to question my attackers. Doctor I feel is towny in how he has attacked me while you I feel is taking the oppertunity to remove someone who has been vocal in their distrust in you.
Oh, and to answer Iso's question: in the unlikely event they both flipped town, I would be torn between The_Doctor, Reya, jskura, and loran, in no particular order.
So basicly everyone else would be scum then? nice answer. I mean really? is that even an answer? The Doctor is going leaps and bounds to remind us how you are town and you give crap responses like this.. Either start posting better manders or don't post.
As for me, i'll be helping my sister move to her new place this weekend and will be unavilable to post.
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Roja, I started up the wagon on you because your posts weren't rubbing me right. As a result, Doc, who had been okay with your lynch for a while, joined the wagon. Manders, I don't rightly know why she joined the wagon, she just seems to think you're scum. I would like to see reasons from her.
As for the invalidity of your point against me...Roja, you're the ONLY person who thinks I'm not town that I'm aware of. I can clear myself at any time. You are also pushing for Manders's death. Manders is CONFIRMED TOWN. If you're not scum, pull your head out of your ass and stop flailing because you're only convincing me further that you're scum.
Also, how are you going to call me out for calling my attackers scummy but you're able to do it with no reprieve? Does not compute.
And why would I be upset of being grouped with Manders? That just lops me in with confirmed town. Pairing me with Seppel is stupid. Other than the fact that I trusted him on Day 1, what are your grounds for that assumption?
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So basicly everyone else would be scum then? nice answer. I mean really? is that even an answer? The Doctor is going leaps and bounds to remind us how you are town and you give crap responses like this.. Either start posting better manders or don't post.
It's called Process of Elimination. If you want me to narrow it down to two, it would be Reya and jskura, but neither The_Doctor or loran is confirmed town, so I cannot discount them completely.
I intend to make a case on you, but I am way too busy IRL atm to keep up with any of the games I'm in, but I'm going to stick it out because that should be done Sunday.
/barn Iso when he says pairing us with Seppel is stupid. You're only doing that because of how we joked around with him, but we both believed he was town, so that should be expected by anyone who knows either of us. I was shocked when he came up mafia.
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As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
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Sorry guys, It's been a bit of a crazy week - like I said, Rosh Hashanah was last week and right before that, my computer's hard drive was corrupted, so I had to borrow an old computer from the family just to keep up with school.
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Roja, I started up the wagon on you because your posts weren't rubbing me right. As a result, Doc, who had been okay with your lynch for a while, joined the wagon. Manders, I don't rightly know why she joined the wagon, she just seems to think you're scum. I would like to see reasons from her.
Ok just making sure who will take credit for the horrible game play going on here. Once again im not suprised to see you want this.. Your arguements tomorrow shall be dazzing.. Because lets face it you already admitting your living tonight..
As for the invalidity of your point against me...Roja, you're the ONLY person who thinks I'm not town that I'm aware of. I can clear myself at any time. You are also pushing for Manders's death. Manders is CONFIRMED TOWN. If you're not scum, pull your head out of your ass and stop flailing because you're only convincing me further that you're scum.
Manders is playing horribly following you and Seppel. Sorry if I don't see that as a townie becuase I think ur scum and well Seppel is scum.
Why are you dancing around the fact you can clear yourself? Fishing aside I just don't understand the value of said information.
Let me ask you this, what do you inteand to gain by withholding your info/waiting on your questions. I do not understand this.
Also, how are you going to call me out for calling my attackers scummy but you're able to do it with no reprieve? Does not compute.
Your attacker(s) = Me.
And why would I be upset of being grouped with Manders? That just lops me in with confirmed town. Pairing me with Seppel is stupid. Other than the fact that I trusted him on Day 1, what are your grounds for that assumption?
Really? I dont have the time for the hehehe hahahaha party you and seppel had day 1. It's there Manders was there too. Why are you upset then I am grouping Manders with you then? It's the grouping of Seppel you should be wear of.
It's called Process of Elimination. If you want me to narrow it down to two, it would be Reya and jskura, but neither The_Doctor or loran is confirmed town, so I cannot discount them completely.
AH HA!!!
So now you understand why I do not trust you Miss Manders. You are NOT confirmed town. Sure others may say you are but until I see blue I do not trust you as a townie. Your game play has been so bad that I have to see you as Anti town.
Now can you understand why I can see you as scum???
I intend to make a case on you, but I am way too busy IRL atm to keep up with any of the games I'm in, but I'm going to stick it out because that should be done Sunday.
Scummy move like 61.
First vote on a someone for no real reason (Or agree with the person above them), then later come up with a case to supply the vote.
This is done in the wrong order.. You are playing scummy and I do not trust you.
However I am looking to see what orginal ideas you have against me and why I am more scummy then Dagger. Please for the sake of TL;DR make the case with direct points.
/barn Iso when he says pairing us with Seppel is stupid. You're only doing that because of how we joked around with him, but we both believed he was town, so that should be expected by anyone who knows either of us. I was shocked when he came up mafia.
You were doing more then joking I feel. However I am still the only one that see's it that way. Are you saying that Seppel took the prior relationships you and Iso had that he was taking advantage of them? If so how was it him taking advantage and not both of you playing ur parts?
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I see you posting in our other game, but ur really not adding to this game.. This makes me question things about you sir.
I don't recall posting in our other game very recently, nor any of my other games due to internet issues at home. I'm doing this at school so the internet is better.
Iso's right though. You seem to be flinging a bunch of mud at everyone.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
In the highly unlikely event that neither Roja nor Dagger flip scum, who would your top two scum choices be?
Just curious.
"Without really going back and doing any more research, assuming that both Roja and Dagger are town, I'd then consider jskura, kill-joy, you, and Reya in approximately that order. I would actually need to go back and read the game again to come up with a proper order. It would take a lot for me to start believing that there's a scum in loran/Manders/Tanarin."
"In fact, I think it deserves calling out so people realize how ridiculous this is becoming:
Day 1 - Less than a month, 1000 posts
Day 2 - Two months already, 500 posts"
"For a time when players are supposed to have more information, the game is moving four times as slow."
@Roja: Is everyone coming off as scummy to you, now? Are you just going to keep flinging mud and seeing where it sticks?
As for why I'm not going to clear myself yet, it's because it's not within the town's best interests for me to do so yet.
So getting people to post here is now me flinging mud huh? I guess there is no point in me even showing up to play now isn't there? Forgive me for trying to get someone out of someone else we haven't herd from in a while.
I don't recall posting in our other game very recently, nor any of my other games due to internet issues at home. I'm doing this at school so the internet is better.
Iso's right though. You seem to be flinging a bunch of mud at everyone.
I have been catching up and noticed ur avy thats why I commented. And really why does it matter if im "flinging mud"? You should be doing your part here and playing the game which you arn't doing at the moment.
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No, Roja. Posting frequency has nothing to do with slinging mud and you know that.
I was talking about trying to paint everyone you've addressed in some scummy light. That is what mud slinging is. And if you're going to admit you're slinging mud in the same post you claim ignorance of the term...just get lynched. -_-
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"In fact, I think it deserves calling out so people realize how ridiculous this is becoming:
Day 1 - Less than a month, 1000 posts
Day 2 - Two months already, 500 posts"
"For a time when players are supposed to have more information, the game is moving four times as slow."
I don't know about anyone else, but the reason I haven't been posting is due to not having time because of RL craziness, not because there's a lack of leads to pursue. I have a lot I've been meaning to say, I just haven't had time to get my thoughts together, dig for necessary quotes, etc, and post them.
In the middle of doing so, but I have to go now. I should hopefully have it out by tonight. Which probably means it will actually be out by tomorrow afternoon-ish.
No, Roja. Posting frequency has nothing to do with slinging mud and you know that.
I was talking about trying to paint everyone you've addressed in some scummy light. That is what mud slinging is. And if you're going to admit you're slinging mud in the same post you claim ignorance of the term...just get lynched. -_-
You cant say what I know and what I dont know.. Clearly I didn't know that or else I wouldn't say that. You are putting words/thoughts into my head/character. You ARE trying to make me look worse that I actually am. I am actively scum hunting while providing my comments as I see them.
WHY IS THAT BAD? If I turn up as scum who would beleive anything I say then? I mean what do you think I am trying to do with my comments about Kill joy? You REALLY think everyone else will go OMG ROJA you are so right! and then vote out kill joy?
Seriously do you think that is what I am trying to do, thus "am scummy"?
But again I see you as scum, trying to remove me as Im the only one vocal in lynching you. So I can expect this type of behavior from you.
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You cant say what I know and what I dont know.. Clearly I didn't know that or else I wouldn't say that. You are putting words/thoughts into my head/character. You ARE trying to make me look worse that I actually am. I am actively scum hunting while providing my comments as I see them.
I was under the impression that a Mafia player as experienced as you would be familiar with the term. Especially considering you admit to slinging mud later on in the post. That does not mesh with your previous statement of what you "believe" it is.
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WHY IS THAT BAD? If I turn up as scum who would beleive anything I say then? I mean what do you think I am trying to do with my comments about Kill joy? You REALLY think everyone else will go OMG ROJA you are so right! and then vote out kill joy?
To take a page out of loran's book, just because someone is scum does not mean their comments are invalid. There's this tactic called "busing"...
And yes, I'm concerned that people will take what you say into merit, not only for that reason, but also for the reason that I still strongly believe kill-joy is town.
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Seriously do you think that is what I am trying to do, thus "am scummy"?
I have explained what I think you are trying to do.
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But again I see you as scum, trying to remove me as Im the only one vocal in lynching you. So I can expect this type of behavior from you.
Okay, Roja. If you think I'm scum, since you're probably going to be the lynch for the day, can you explain to the town WHY you think I'm scum, aside from the way that I interacted with Seppel on Day 1? Because I wasn't expecting him to flip scum at all. I read town Seppel from his posts, and that's all I can say about that. So where have you seen any scum-motive-driven actions from me? Do elaborate.
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I have been catching up and noticed ur avy thats why I commented. And really why does it matter if im "flinging mud"? You should be doing your part here and playing the game which you arn't doing at the moment.
I'm trying. And when I do have time I try to provide content as well. I have time now, for instance and here I am, responding to you.
And as I have time now, I'm going to compile some posts that I felted rubbed me the wrong way, like you asked for a while ago when I didn't have the time.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
One thing that I am curious about is how Reya's monkier counteracts with Jskuras speach... We don't know what we release when Jskura can speak again..
Well that is because they hardly can say anything. I see Jskura's speach as a pandora's box.. Im scared to let it loose.
Something about this thought REALLY rubs me the wrong way here. As of right now, there is no good reason not to trigger jskura, IMO. We have several confirmed townies, a lot of which have their triggers activated already. And if all goes well I will have mine active tonight/tomarrow.
Do you still feel like we shouldn't activate him?
Here's my thoughts here:
Scum wouldn't want to activate him if they know he's town. This silences one of our townies. (This would also balance against Roja if he is scum, like I'm thinking now.)
As we don't have any good reasons to suspect jskura of being scum right now, it would be better if jskura got rid of his PR, making it easier for him to be active. I'm sure he probably has a compiled list of quotes somewhere in Notepad waiting to be posted.(That's what I would do anyway).
Most town would agree with this.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Something about this thought REALLY rubs me the wrong way here. As of right now, there is no good reason not to trigger jskura, IMO. We have several confirmed townies, a lot of which have their triggers activated already. And if all goes well I will have mine active tonight/tomarrow.
Do you still feel like we shouldn't activate him?
Here's my thoughts here:
Scum wouldn't want to activate him if they know he's town. This silences one of our townies. (This would also balance against Roja if he is scum, like I'm thinking now.)
As we don't have any good reasons to suspect jskura of being scum right now, it would be better if jskura got rid of his PR, making it easier for him to be active. I'm sure he probably has a compiled list of quotes somewhere in Notepad waiting to be posted.(That's what I would do anyway).
Most town would agree with this.
I agree completely. I feel like Roja is afraid of jskura speaking because he thinks jskura may be an easy lynch target or easier to incriminate due to content amount for not being able to speak as freely as he might be able to right now. Why would the town be afraid of more information coming into the thread? Why, if Roja feels jskura is scum, shouldn't he want jskura to be able to speak his mind for further incrimination purposes?
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Sigh, I got nothing for this day guys. I'm pulling a Seppel here - as I've not done enough checking into Roja to truly make this justified - but I'd be willing to vote Roja to end the day - I'm failing to see with a quick look what I thought made him possibly town.
Suspects of note other than Roja:
Jskura (Top Suspect)
Kill-Joy
The Doctor (Process of Elimination only here).
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Manders is playing horribly following you and Seppel.
This is the only reason you suspect me? Die faster, please.
Really? I dont have the time for the hehehe hahahaha party you and seppel had day 1. It's there Manders was there too. Why are you upset then I am grouping Manders with you then? It's the grouping of Seppel you should be wear of.
You should get over this. I can guarantee you I'm town, and I can ALMOST guarantee you Iso is, too, so this is a bunch of null crap you've decided is a scumtell.
AH HA!!!
So now you understand why I do not trust you Miss Manders. You are NOT confirmed town.
When did I say I was? Everyone else seems to think so, and yay, but I KNOW I'm town.
Your game play has been so bad that I have to see you as Anti town.
No, you do not have to see me as anti-town. There are others whose play has been way worse than my own, yet they get ignored by you. I'm thinking Reya/Roja scumteam, actually.
Now can you understand why I can see you as scum???
No, I do not understand why you see me as scum.
Scummy move like 61.
First vote on a someone for no real reason (Or agree with the person above them), then later come up with a case to supply the vote.
This is done in the wrong order.. You are playing scummy and I do not trust you.
However I am looking to see what orginal ideas you have against me and why I am more scummy then Dagger. Please for the sake of TL;DR make the case with direct points.
Then get me lynched.
I'm not going to make a case on you. I'll tell you right here.
You're slinging mud on everyone, as stated by Iso.
You're completely tunnelvisioned on him and now myself.
You're way too apprehensive of jskura being able to talk. It feels incredibly feigned.
Plus, just a touch of mod-gaming: the lynch is the town's greatest weapon. It seems bastardly to take away a townie's vote. This is just the tip of the iceberg, though. Hardly even being considered.
You were doing more then joking I feel. However I am still the only one that see's it that way. Are you saying that Seppel took the prior relationships you and Iso had that he was taking advantage of them? If so how was it him taking advantage and not both of you playing ur parts?
I have no idea what you're asking, so I'll rephrase as such:
You are grouping Iso and myself in with Seppel because of our interactions. If Iso and myself think Seppel is town, we are going to joke around with him because the 3 of us are very close OOG. Now, I believe you're asking if Seppel is able to manipulate that to his advantage. If so, the answer is absolutely. He's a very manipulative player.
"In fact, I think it deserves calling out so people realize how ridiculous this is becoming:
Day 1 - Less than a month, 1000 posts
Day 2 - Two months already, 500 posts"
"For a time when players are supposed to have more information, the game is moving four times as slow."
I don't know about anyone else, but the reason I haven't been posting is due to not having time because of RL craziness, not because there's a lack of leads to pursue. I have a lot I've been meaning to say, I just haven't had time to get my thoughts together, dig for necessary quotes, etc, and post them.
In the middle of doing so, but I have to go now. I should hopefully have it out by tonight. Which probably means it will actually be out by tomorrow afternoon-ish.
I look forward to your contributions. Who did you replace again?
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We're still waiting for people to post, as always. As we don't have a deadline at this time, meh. Wait for them, I say. If a deadline comes up again, we need to just get the day over with.
We're still waiting for people to post, as always. As we don't have a deadline at this time, meh. Wait for them, I say. If a deadline comes up again, we need to just get the day over with.
"Who are we waiting for again? Loran has already claimed that he just doesn't have the time/drive to go deep enough to justify any possible town read he may have had on Roja."
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Cute. But non-productive. Please don't do that in the future. Still need this weekend to go over Roja, myself, but waiting on SP first.
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Pfft, what 180? There's no doubt in my mind that you're scum. You and Dagger both. Town has this in the bag.
I made a post when I was tired, realized it didn't make much sense, and opted to clarify.
Nice OMGUS sentiment. You know, towards the person who started the current wagon on you.
And in case my breadcrumbing did not hint at it strongly enough, I will NOT be dying tonight. That is why I'm leaving it for tomorrow.
Actually, I meant tomorrow, in-game day.
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I think it is probably prudent to set a DEADLINE for Saturday, October 1st at 11:59 PM EST
(Additionally, for me, my computer went down and I'm now borrowing a computer to type this, so my activity will be more limited.)
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WHoooot so your first line tomorrow.
"I dont know what exactly I was thinking.. I guess Roja was just really bad and I really REALLY thought he was scum." Cannot wait.
So when im tired and have no time im scum. But it's perfectly normal for you to do so and should be ignored.
Once again Iso the only reason i stopped "going after" you was your post on Dagger.. If you feel that is enough for an OMGUS then congratz. And to be honest this wagon was started with The Doctor not really liking Dagger as a vote. Not you.
So you have more to talk about but instead of sharing it you will just "survive" until tomorrow.
Bwhahaha I knew somethings Manders didn't about her bff.
I suggest the sheep stop following the herd and actually play the game.
I think Dagger and Iso are the scum team start there tomorrow after my lynch.. Then again you yourself need to be evaluated as you are the reason for my demise.
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No, I know exactly what I'm thinking, and it's that you're scum.
Uhh, no? I provided the case against Dagger, it gained momentum, and I still think Dagger is scum. Doc wasn't the reason the wagon took off, IIRC.
Yup.
Really? You're just gonna fling dirt at everyone you can before you die, aren't you?
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Also doc, "The difference is that you seem to be considering (even if it's on a minute level) that Manders and Iso are scum-buddies with Seppel." So you are denying any possibility of that happening? He makes a side thought of something that is possible and you automatically put it as if Iso and Manders and confirmed town and there were no buddying interactions between any of them.
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Absolutely not a problem.
Deadline extended indefinitely.
"Manders knew the town win condition to verify Tanarin's claim of it. Chances are slim to none that she would be scum. So yeah, right there, I don't consider it a possibility that Manders and Iso are Seppel's scum buddies."
"While we're waiting around. As someone that's apparently for the Dagger wagon, why did you not vote him when the wagon was going on?"
In the highly unlikely event that neither Roja nor Dagger flip scum, who would your top two scum choices be?
Just curious.
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Well I really have nothing to answer for. Doctor was the only one to bring a case against me and I answered him. You and Manders are just following without giving me anything to reply too. I think you are both still upset about my day 1 grouping you with seppel. And I really think you are scum.
So far I have nothing to answer to with Manders, im simply scum.
I want to know exactly how she got to this conclusion. Because I don't feel I have been that scummy, I have tried to play this game the best I know how. And if that is considered scummy.. I have to question my attackers. Doctor I feel is towny in how he has attacked me while you I feel is taking the oppertunity to remove someone who has been vocal in their distrust in you.
So basicly everyone else would be scum then? nice answer. I mean really? is that even an answer? The Doctor is going leaps and bounds to remind us how you are town and you give crap responses like this.. Either start posting better manders or don't post.
As for me, i'll be helping my sister move to her new place this weekend and will be unavilable to post.
As for the invalidity of your point against me...Roja, you're the ONLY person who thinks I'm not town that I'm aware of. I can clear myself at any time. You are also pushing for Manders's death. Manders is CONFIRMED TOWN. If you're not scum, pull your head out of your ass and stop flailing because you're only convincing me further that you're scum.
Also, how are you going to call me out for calling my attackers scummy but you're able to do it with no reprieve? Does not compute.
And why would I be upset of being grouped with Manders? That just lops me in with confirmed town. Pairing me with Seppel is stupid. Other than the fact that I trusted him on Day 1, what are your grounds for that assumption?
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It's called Process of Elimination. If you want me to narrow it down to two, it would be Reya and jskura, but neither The_Doctor or loran is confirmed town, so I cannot discount them completely.
I intend to make a case on you, but I am way too busy IRL atm to keep up with any of the games I'm in, but I'm going to stick it out because that should be done Sunday.
/barn Iso when he says pairing us with Seppel is stupid. You're only doing that because of how we joked around with him, but we both believed he was town, so that should be expected by anyone who knows either of us. I was shocked when he came up mafia.
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Did I miscount? Are we waiting for a hammer? Also sorry for not posting much. My internet is continuing to disappoint.
Here's my unofficial votecount:
Roja - 3 (Iso, The_Doctor, MandersHex)
jskura - 1 (loran16)
Dagger - 1 (jskura)
Reya Cookiebringer - 1 (Dagger)
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Ok just making sure who will take credit for the horrible game play going on here. Once again im not suprised to see you want this.. Your arguements tomorrow shall be dazzing.. Because lets face it you already admitting your living tonight..
Manders is playing horribly following you and Seppel. Sorry if I don't see that as a townie becuase I think ur scum and well Seppel is scum.
Why are you dancing around the fact you can clear yourself? Fishing aside I just don't understand the value of said information.
Let me ask you this, what do you inteand to gain by withholding your info/waiting on your questions. I do not understand this.
Your attacker(s) = Me.
Really? I dont have the time for the hehehe hahahaha party you and seppel had day 1. It's there Manders was there too. Why are you upset then I am grouping Manders with you then? It's the grouping of Seppel you should be wear of.
AH HA!!!
So now you understand why I do not trust you Miss Manders. You are NOT confirmed town. Sure others may say you are but until I see blue I do not trust you as a townie. Your game play has been so bad that I have to see you as Anti town.
Now can you understand why I can see you as scum???
Scummy move like 61.
First vote on a someone for no real reason (Or agree with the person above them), then later come up with a case to supply the vote.
This is done in the wrong order.. You are playing scummy and I do not trust you.
However I am looking to see what orginal ideas you have against me and why I am more scummy then Dagger. Please for the sake of TL;DR make the case with direct points.
You were doing more then joking I feel. However I am still the only one that see's it that way. Are you saying that Seppel took the prior relationships you and Iso had that he was taking advantage of them? If so how was it him taking advantage and not both of you playing ur parts?
I see you posting in our other game, but ur really not adding to this game.. This makes me question things about you sir.
As for why I'm not going to clear myself yet, it's because it's not within the town's best interests for me to do so yet.
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I don't recall posting in our other game very recently, nor any of my other games due to internet issues at home. I'm doing this at school so the internet is better.
Iso's right though. You seem to be flinging a bunch of mud at everyone.
"Without really going back and doing any more research, assuming that both Roja and Dagger are town, I'd then consider jskura, kill-joy, you, and Reya in approximately that order. I would actually need to go back and read the game again to come up with a proper order. It would take a lot for me to start believing that there's a scum in loran/Manders/Tanarin."
Day 1 - Less than a month, 1000 posts
Day 2 - Two months already, 500 posts"
"For a time when players are supposed to have more information, the game is moving four times as slow."
So getting people to post here is now me flinging mud huh? I guess there is no point in me even showing up to play now isn't there? Forgive me for trying to get someone out of someone else we haven't herd from in a while.
I have been catching up and noticed ur avy thats why I commented. And really why does it matter if im "flinging mud"? You should be doing your part here and playing the game which you arn't doing at the moment.
I was talking about trying to paint everyone you've addressed in some scummy light. That is what mud slinging is. And if you're going to admit you're slinging mud in the same post you claim ignorance of the term...just get lynched. -_-
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I don't know about anyone else, but the reason I haven't been posting is due to not having time because of RL craziness, not because there's a lack of leads to pursue. I have a lot I've been meaning to say, I just haven't had time to get my thoughts together, dig for necessary quotes, etc, and post them.
In the middle of doing so, but I have to go now. I should hopefully have it out by tonight. Which probably means it will actually be out by tomorrow afternoon-ish.
You cant say what I know and what I dont know.. Clearly I didn't know that or else I wouldn't say that. You are putting words/thoughts into my head/character. You ARE trying to make me look worse that I actually am. I am actively scum hunting while providing my comments as I see them.
WHY IS THAT BAD? If I turn up as scum who would beleive anything I say then? I mean what do you think I am trying to do with my comments about Kill joy? You REALLY think everyone else will go OMG ROJA you are so right! and then vote out kill joy?
Seriously do you think that is what I am trying to do, thus "am scummy"?
But again I see you as scum, trying to remove me as Im the only one vocal in lynching you. So I can expect this type of behavior from you.
I was under the impression that a Mafia player as experienced as you would be familiar with the term. Especially considering you admit to slinging mud later on in the post. That does not mesh with your previous statement of what you "believe" it is.
To take a page out of loran's book, just because someone is scum does not mean their comments are invalid. There's this tactic called "busing"...
And yes, I'm concerned that people will take what you say into merit, not only for that reason, but also for the reason that I still strongly believe kill-joy is town.
I have explained what I think you are trying to do.
Okay, Roja. If you think I'm scum, since you're probably going to be the lynch for the day, can you explain to the town WHY you think I'm scum, aside from the way that I interacted with Seppel on Day 1? Because I wasn't expecting him to flip scum at all. I read town Seppel from his posts, and that's all I can say about that. So where have you seen any scum-motive-driven actions from me? Do elaborate.
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2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'm trying. And when I do have time I try to provide content as well. I have time now, for instance and here I am, responding to you.
And as I have time now, I'm going to compile some posts that I felted rubbed me the wrong way, like you asked for a while ago when I didn't have the time.
So, be back soon with that.
Ok, so here's why I feel you've been playing scummy pretty recently.
Something about this thought REALLY rubs me the wrong way here. As of right now, there is no good reason not to trigger jskura, IMO. We have several confirmed townies, a lot of which have their triggers activated already. And if all goes well I will have mine active tonight/tomarrow.
Do you still feel like we shouldn't activate him?
Here's my thoughts here:
Scum wouldn't want to activate him if they know he's town. This silences one of our townies. (This would also balance against Roja if he is scum, like I'm thinking now.)
As we don't have any good reasons to suspect jskura of being scum right now, it would be better if jskura got rid of his PR, making it easier for him to be active. I'm sure he probably has a compiled list of quotes somewhere in Notepad waiting to be posted.(That's what I would do anyway).
Most town would agree with this.
I agree completely. I feel like Roja is afraid of jskura speaking because he thinks jskura may be an easy lynch target or easier to incriminate due to content amount for not being able to speak as freely as he might be able to right now. Why would the town be afraid of more information coming into the thread? Why, if Roja feels jskura is scum, shouldn't he want jskura to be able to speak his mind for further incrimination purposes?
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Suspects of note other than Roja:
Jskura (Top Suspect)
Kill-Joy
The Doctor (Process of Elimination only here).
Has Roja claimed? If not, then he should do so now. Withholding my vote so we can get that info.
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
This is the only reason you suspect me? Die faster, please.
You should get over this. I can guarantee you I'm town, and I can ALMOST guarantee you Iso is, too, so this is a bunch of null crap you've decided is a scumtell.
When did I say I was? Everyone else seems to think so, and yay, but I KNOW I'm town.
No, you do not have to see me as anti-town. There are others whose play has been way worse than my own, yet they get ignored by you. I'm thinking Reya/Roja scumteam, actually.
No, I do not understand why you see me as scum.
Then get me lynched.
I'm not going to make a case on you. I'll tell you right here.
You're slinging mud on everyone, as stated by Iso.
You're completely tunnelvisioned on him and now myself.
You're way too apprehensive of jskura being able to talk. It feels incredibly feigned.
Plus, just a touch of mod-gaming: the lynch is the town's greatest weapon. It seems bastardly to take away a townie's vote. This is just the tip of the iceberg, though. Hardly even being considered.
I have no idea what you're asking, so I'll rephrase as such:
You are grouping Iso and myself in with Seppel because of our interactions. If Iso and myself think Seppel is town, we are going to joke around with him because the 3 of us are very close OOG. Now, I believe you're asking if Seppel is able to manipulate that to his advantage. If so, the answer is absolutely. He's a very manipulative player.
I look forward to your contributions. Who did you replace again?
I don't recall him claiming that.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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So are we ready to get this day over with?
I certainly am.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
We're still waiting for people to post, as always. As we don't have a deadline at this time, meh. Wait for them, I say. If a deadline comes up again, we need to just get the day over with.
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"Who are we waiting for again? Loran has already claimed that he just doesn't have the time/drive to go deep enough to justify any possible town read he may have had on Roja."
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I do agree.
I kinda also wanna hear what DM has to say.