For the sake of sanity, can we get a VOTE COUNT alpha?
And for the rest of you, remember Tanarin has claimed a restriction of requiring one less vote to lynch.
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Why would I go on a temper tantrum and not defend myself? That seems like a good way to get lynched to me. As for referencing posts, when I am asked to constantly do it and the person accusing me isn't even bothering going through the process of finding what it is that they're referring to (which will also help me clarify what I mean so I don't misunderstand what parts of what I said they are talking about), it becomes a hassle, and is just a major inconvenience and annoyance for me.
See now I take your attitude here as something to make note of. Becuase you have already established that you are setting up arguements before hand. I am assuming then anything asked of you that doesn't meet your plan then is "just a major inconvenience". Sorry bub this is mafia people ask questions all the time. Sorry to have bothered the mighty scummy Iso.
Wait, so you're accusing me of fishing because I wanted more experienced players' opinions on what direction we should possibly take next in the game?
I'm saying you are both fishing AND telling people NOT to reveal their information. You cannot do both.
Uhh, my reasoning for not wanting everyone to state their monikers was because Tanarin's amnesia trigger is dependent on it. And frankly, Tanarin is looking very scummy to me. Pay attention to the game. FOS Roja
Wow you are reaching here, I am reading the game. Seems like the arguments you are setting up for me arn't working. Are you against anyone getting their monkiers completed? And clearly everyone isnt going to just blurt out this info do you really think that it will happen?
OH and you should check out the game, Tanarin is town.
"Your style of debate is different from mine. That's scummy."
^ I'm not quite seeing how you're getting this from the way I play the game. I've always been taught that to create an effective argument that you shut down your opposition before they have a chance to launch an offensive. If I include details of what I feel you're going to attempt to refute what I have to say with, then that makes it more difficult for you to paint me as scum through a misinterpretation of what I mean when I say something. Being thorough =/= being scummy. It saves me the time and effort of having to quote yet another post and offer another clarification of what I meant when I simply could have addressed it to begin with. If you don't agree with my playstyle, fine. But to call me scummy because I prefer apples to oranges is ridiculous.
This is not something I ever would think to do unless I am playing the game as scum. And it just seems to be a weak argument to not have to play the game when people ask you questions you arn't prepaired to answer.
You don't have to see it as valid, you don't have a vote, so I don't exactly feel the need to convince you as strongly of what I believe in this game as much as I would need to convince someone with one.
So basicly you are just going to ignore me and treat anything I have to say as it isn't valid. Yea you are SURELY a townsperson.
Not to say you aren't going to be useful in scumhunting. You're just not going to be able to aid in lynching. So instead of focusing on the way I've always addressed accusations (being prior to them occurring), why don't you focus on finding scum and convincing me and the other townies of their scumminess?
I told you who are scum. You, Manders, Reya and PF. And just because you are scum and I have no vote doesn't mean im going to ignore what you do. Nice try to deflect though.
That's pretty weak reasoning.
Really? You think everyone who votes for you is auto scum. That isn't correct and your thinking needs to change.
Uhh, so what you're saying is, "You're scum, he doesn't need to read what you're saying,"? There are so many things wrong with this statement that I don't even know where to begin. The first and foremost being that I'm not scum. loran was selectively reading what he wanted to read and not addressing ALL of the issues that needed to be addressed, attempting to paint me as scum with the little snippets he opted to acknowledge, which strikes me as rather scummy. WHICH, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, YOU ARE DOING AS WELL. SEE ABOVE WHERE I ADDRESSED WHAT I SAID ABOUT MONIKERS. And you're doing an awfully good job of buddying up with him, very strongly noted.
Hey while you are making a note, please make sure it includes the fact that Loran is town. I mean if you are going to make up and BOLD statements about people you might want to include the truth.
I find Lorans comments on you ok becuase and get ready for it... HE IS TOWN AND YOU ARE SCUM!!! (OMG I can bold things too~!)
If it was so easy to do, why couldn't you have done it yourself? Don't patronize me.
I couldn't find it, which is why I asked you to provide your reasonings.. Since you said you had your attacks, and I just read the whole game and didnt see it. I figured you could find it. Which you did, however I didn't think any were strong enough reasonings.
He already answered. And personally, I don't like his answer.
Yup I agree, Reya isn't town so for PF to think that way.. Oi not good.
"Please define wanting more stuff from me. I'm giving you all I've got(, cap'n)."
Just more content. Im not saying post nonsence every day. Just I dont have a great read on you. As of now I would say you are a townie. I just feel that there is something I am missing with you, and I don't know how to explain it except its a gut thing.
You could have said things differently. The fact that you chose to bash him as oppose to tell him is why I consider it an attack.
You wanna know what that was about?
For the record I didn't want to know what it was all about. I was stating how I didn't like how you brough attention to yourself. Then play it off.
My trigger is I have to include one question in every post in one game day in order to get my memory back. I ****ed up in post #40, and was mad at myself. The only reason I didn't say it earlier was I was waiting for confirmation from Alpha whether I would still qualify since I caught it and double-posted a question.
Any reason you gave up this information with no pressure to? I mean I believe you with your handicap, I just don't get why NOW was the time to say it.
I'm barning Seppel saying Iso is town because Seppel is town. No, I'm not going to try to convince others to do the same. Especially since it's irrelevant since Iso has confirmed himself as town already.
So if Iso is scum we are to blame Seppel and not you becuase you were only barning? I mean You really have NO opinion of Iso or that your feelings with Seppel's comments mean nothing to how you really feel?
Why is it funny and what are your reasons?
I find it funny because I am trying to figure out if there is some scum bussing going on here or not.
It's the dozens of posts that have nothing to do with anything really question if he cares what goes on in this game.
I didn't literally do that at that time. I just told him how.
And because I want him to take the initiative to find them. It would go a long way to making me feel better about him.
But Roja can't vote, The_Doctor didn't vote, and Dagger unvoted. Great going, guys.
@Roja: You say Iso is scum, but you also note that he's afraid to lose his ability, and he thinks (thought?) Manders had a crazy broken ability that made her know Iso's alignment.
Iso is scum becuase of how he is setting up arguements before they happen. I do not see a townie doing this. Him afraid to lose his ability strikes me as odd. ([gaming the mod]Maybe the scum get weaker if they get their monkier?[/gaming the mod]) Him making note of Mander is suspect as well. Are my points valid are is blood thicker then umm text? Iso is scum.
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Iso is scum becuase of how he is setting up arguements before they happen. I do not see a townie doing this. Him afraid to lose his ability strikes me as odd. ([gaming the mod]Maybe the scum get weaker if they get their monkier?[/gaming the mod]) Him making note of Mander is suspect as well. Are my points valid are is blood thicker then umm text? Iso is scum.
Your points are basically something like "Iso is ignoring Roja because Roja doesn't have a vote," which isn't even true.
Iso tells you to be productive and he'll listen, and in response you say he's going to call everything you say invalid.
You ignore the part where he has the newb town thought process of "anyone who doesn't agree with me is scum."
Also you put a lot of stock in Loran's read, which currently has Iso as town. And you make Iso up to be scum because of it.
And you don't invalidate any of my arguments that show how obvtown he is. You just say one of them is suspect.
In conclusion, the game actions that you attempted to perform do not comply with my perceived notion of best practices to execute within this game of forum-based mafia.
I have to agree with seppel here, Roja. You seem to put a bit of weight on Loran's read of ISO, yet you seem to think he is scum and Loran is currently reading him as town. Is there anything else you haven't posted about that you disagree with loran on? Do you think Loran is just misreading Iso on something you feel is scummy? Basically where is the disconnect.
@Seppel: I don't see how you feel that PF is town for all the noise comments he is making.
Why are you suspicious of me when I put you at the top of my list?
lulwut?
Please do.
I want explanations from all.
Two things:
1) If you're not going to use the multi-quote button, can you at least put in the name of who said what? Sheesh.
2) I've already said plenty on those two reads.
You could have said things differently. The fact that you chose to bash him as oppose to tell him is why I consider it an attack.
Well, in my defense, he had already called me a moron once then. So, no, I wasn't too happy with him.
For the record I didn't want to know what it was all about. I was stating how I didn't like how you brough attention to yourself. Then play it off.
Who cares? Why was that important?
What would be the scum motivation to proclaim "I'm so mad at myself" then saying it's no big deal?
Town motivation is open honesty, which is kind of my bag. The only time I've lied as town was in Ogre when Seppel and I were masons, and it's because he wanted to do something to spice up the game.
Any reason you gave up this information with no pressure to? I mean I believe you with your handicap, I just don't get why NOW was the time to say it.
Because you said you thought it was weird.
What reason is there not to divulge it?
So if Iso is scum we are to blame Seppel and not you becuase you were only barning? I mean You really have NO opinion of Iso or that your feelings with Seppel's comments mean nothing to how you really feel?
Absolutely not. I am held accountable for my actions. I chose to barn Seppel. If Iso were to come up scum, then I would expect pressure (if not to be outright lynched) for these actions. But, I'm pretty damn certain I'm not wrong.
I find it funny because I am trying to figure out if there is some scum bussing going on here or not.
My reasons on why I think PF is scum?:
****ing win, laughed so loud
It's the dozens of posts that have nothing to do with anything really question if he cares what goes on in this game.
You realize that is a part of the reason I think he's scum, right? That ties into "not doing jack ****."
Even if it makes me feel worse about you?
I don't see why you would feel worse about me for that, but sure. It shows initiative from him, which is something I hadn't seen. If you don't like my scumhunting technique, I can't help that.
Iso is scum becuase of how he is setting up arguements before they happen. I do not see a townie doing this. Him afraid to lose his ability strikes me as odd. ([gaming the mod]Maybe the scum get weaker if they get their monkier?[/gaming the mod]) Him making note of Mander is suspect as well. Are my points valid are is blood thicker then umm text? Iso is scum.
In conclusion, the game actions that you attempted to perform do not comply with my perceived notion of best practices to execute within this game of forum-based mafia.
See now I take your attitude here as something to make note of. Becuase you have already established that you are setting up arguements before hand. I am assuming then anything asked of you that doesn't meet your plan then is "just a major inconvenience". Sorry bub this is mafia people ask questions all the time. Sorry to have bothered the mighty scummy Iso.
Your transgressions are forgiven. As for this being Mafia, I'm quite aware of that. If I weren't, I wouldn't be answering your questions.
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I'm saying you are both fishing AND telling people NOT to reveal their information. You cannot do both.
I am once again failing to see where I am fishing in any way, shape, or form.
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Wow you are reaching here, I am reading the game. Seems like the arguments you are setting up for me arn't working. Are you against anyone getting their monkiers completed? And clearly everyone isnt going to just blurt out this info do you really think that it will happen?
OH and you should check out the game, Tanarin is town.
I'm against anyone's amnesia trigger getting completed that could be detrimental to the town. I would think that was obvious. And apparently Tanarin thinks people would blurt out info like that (and as kill-joy showed, he is quite fond of blurting out info), so I felt it necessary to say to the people that it wasn't obvious to, HEY, TANARIN IS FISHING. DON'T BITE. As for Tanarin being town, I'm not convinced.
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This is not something I ever would think to do unless I am playing the game as scum. And it just seems to be a weak argument to not have to play the game when people ask you questions you arn't prepaired to answer.
All hail Roja, king of WIFOM. Once again, apples and oranges. My debate style is different from yours. That does not make me scum. It's a HORRIBLY weak argument to paint me as scum. I'm not arguing that I don't want to answer questions or that I'm not prepared to answer questions, so don't put words in my mouth. I'm arguing that you need to read what it is that I'm saying so that I don't have to incessantly repeat myself. If I asked you to restate your point 10 times in a row, would you not be perturbed?
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So basicly you are just going to ignore me and treat anything I have to say as it isn't valid. Yea you are SURELY a townsperson.
Not what I said. Right now, you're being useless because you're hung up on me being scum. So once you get over the fact that you're wrong, you can possibly convince me of other people being scum, but currently, you're defending loran (who I already view as scummy), you're attacking me (a townie), and you're debating poorly. As it is, you're going to have a hard time convincing me of anything short of your username on this site being Roja.
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I told you who are scum. You, Manders, Reya and PF. And just because you are scum and I have no vote doesn't mean im going to ignore what you do. Nice try to deflect though.
Why the assumption that there are four scum? No deflections here, bossman.
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Really? You think everyone who votes for you is auto scum. That isn't correct and your thinking needs to change.
See above where I addressed this.
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Hey while you are making a note, please make sure it includes the fact that Loran is town. I mean if you are going to make up and BOLD statements about people you might want to include the truth.
I find Lorans comments on you ok becuase and get ready for it... HE IS TOWN AND YOU ARE SCUM!!! (OMG I can bold things too~!)
hey no
Also, loran has me as town. So something seems to be amiss here. Tunnelvisioned, much?
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I couldn't find it, which is why I asked you to provide your reasonings.. Since you said you had your attacks, and I just read the whole game and didnt see it. I figured you could find it. Which you did, however I didn't think any were strong enough reasonings.
And I think your reasons for viewing me as scum aren't very strong at all. So what you're saying is it's okay for you to provide ****ty evidence but not for others to do the same (at least, according to you). Double standard noted.
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Yup I agree, Reya isn't town so for PF to think that way.. Oi not good
Guess we'll see what happens. Also, have you already addressed why you think Reya is scum? A yes or no will suffice, but if not, can you explain why? If so, just say yes and I'll go find your post.
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Iso is scum becuase of how he is setting up arguements before they happen. I do not see a townie doing this. Him afraid to lose his ability strikes me as odd. ([gaming the mod]Maybe the scum get weaker if they get their monkier?[/gaming the mod]) Him making note of Mander is suspect as well. Are my points valid are is blood thicker then umm text? Iso is scum.
I bow to your ability to WIFOM.
"Iso's playstyle is different. Let's lynch him!"
"Iso doesn't want to lose his ability. Let's lynch him!" (Which, by the way, nice fishing there.)
"Iso doesn't want to die. Let's lynch him!"
Hmm...
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"No, he hasn't confirmed himself as anything. He's provided evidence that heavily implies that he is town, but there is no 'confirmed' anywhere in there."
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I didn't make myself clear. Scum is a detriment to the town.
Of course, scum being on a wagon on a townie isn't really good for the town, either, so I'm not sure I understand the purpose of this question.
"Then I apologize for missing your initial point. However, your second point is not a statement about which I was asking. I was asking about scum on a wagon being a detriment to town, not scum on a town wagon. Scum can and do bus buddies."
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So, now that you've got the answer you were waiting for (even though you got it the first time) how was me saying it's because we're town avoiding the question?
"There is no proof that either you or Seppel are town, so when you come in and give a flippant answer as to why one player is the only one that can be town on the wagon, I find that to be avoiding the original question."
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When he posts, he regurgitates stuff that others have already said as if it's his own original thought. He's not providing anything new to the game. In other words, he's plain sight lurking.
"So, what are your thoughts about Silent Prophet?"
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And, let me guess. You're convinced I know his alignment because I am scum?
"Yes, that would be the implication."
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Has it ever crossed your mind that we could have NEUTRALS in the game? At least one?
"I may be a bit daft, but are you claiming to be a neutral? If not, what is the point of this statement? What are you trying to get at?"
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It's cool, though. If a majority wants to lynch me, go for it. When I come up town, maybe you'll believe some of what I've said.
Doubtful, though.
"One vote and you're already talking about people lynching you and the ramifications on the game afterward? Seems a bit premature, don't you think? I don't know about anyone else, but if there were proof you were town, I would put additional weight on your analysis of Seppel being town."
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The fact that you seem to be attempting to subtly implying that me and manders are somehow connected is totally my concern. Why would you connect us if you didn't have some reason?
"I do, but there's not enough for a case of it. Like I said, a reminder for myself once more alignments are known."
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Do you think Manders is scum?
"Yes."
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If so, is that the reason you seem to be trying to connect us?
"The connection is based around how you have played in the scenario, not how she has played."
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"Do you think she's rating your near the top of town or at the best neutral? Those two thoughts don't seem to flow together."
No they don't.
"Let's ask this again. Please explain to me how thinking she's either:
a) Rating you near the top
b) At best rating you neutral
are any bit similar. In other words, what is the at worst equivalent for option b?"
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He's voting for me, but I get the feeling that doesn't guarantee he thinks I'm scum
"No, I can guarantee that I think you are scum. Just like when I voted for Iso, I thought he was scum."
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Oh, he's trying to tie us together, for sure. I'm just not sure what to make of it yet.
"Go ahead, say you're 'not sure what to make of it' one more time, I dare you."
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The_Doctor didn't vote
"My vote is where I want it. Thank you for your concern. Your input is important to us."
"If anyone reading this would post a number in their next post, it would be appreciated. It can be any number you want. Roman numeral, digital, spelled out, whatever. Thanks."
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Also you have a total of 6 posts. I know you post more than that and you're simultaneously calling out other people for not posting.
"Then you obviously don't know how The_Doctor plays. My posting approximately once a day has no bearing on Reya keeping a promise about posting a list."
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It's the dozens of posts that have nothing to do with anything really question if he cares what goes on in this game.
Funny, I think of him as town for that.
"I would like reasoning from both Roja and Seppel as to why pinkfloyd posting irrelevant posts provides proof of him being either scum or town."
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He seems to be just having fun, and when I put pressure on him, he cowered into a corner and was like, "Don't hit me!"
"Still not seeing what about that makes him town."
"No, he hasn't confirmed himself as anything. He's provided evidence that heavily implies that he is town, but there is no 'confirmed' anywhere in there."
He's closest to confirmed than anyone here. That's good enough for me.
"Then I apologize for missing your initial point. However, your second point is not a statement about which I was asking. I was asking about scum on a wagon being a detriment to town, not scum on a town wagon. Scum can and do bus buddies."
I am well aware that they can and do, just as you are aware that I am one of those scum players that will bus the **** out of her buddy. However, in respects to the question at hand, since I was thinking then (and am now convinced) that Iso is town, it is only natural that I would be referring to a scum on a town wagon, no?
"There is no proof that either you or Seppel are town, so when you come in and give a flippant answer as to why one player is the only one that can be town on the wagon, I find that to be avoiding the original question."
Just because you are not satisfied with the answer I got does not mean I was avoiding the question. I gave you the answer that was true at the time and is still true, imo.
"So, what are your thoughts about Silent Prophet?"
I'm content to leave him be until he can actually contribute as I can't get a read on nothing but smilies.
"I may be a bit daft, but are you claiming to be a neutral? If not, what is the point of this statement? What are you trying to get at?"
No, I'm not claiming neutral. The point of the statement was, if there are neutrals in the game, than if I were scum and Iso were not, there would still not be enough evidence for me to believe he's town over neutral.
"One vote and you're already talking about people lynching you and the ramifications on the game afterward? Seems a bit premature, don't you think?"
Not at all. While I may only have one vote, there are others expressing concern of me. And, mostly because I don't really care if I live or die, so long as the town wins.
"I don't know about anyone else, but if there were proof you were town, I would put additional weight on your analysis of Seppel being town."
Huh?
"No, I can guarantee that I think you are scum. Just like when I voted for Iso, I thought he was scum."
Good for you!
I'm stating, by our discussion earlier, I got the impression that, just because you put a vote on someone , that doesn't guarantee that person is scum in your mind.
"Go ahead, say you're 'not sure what to make of it' one more time, I dare you."
"The connection is based around how you have played in the scenario, not how she has played."
You're going to have to explain this, Doctor. Why are you alluding to a connection between me and Manders? And you stated that you think Manders is scum. Are you saying I'm scum as well due to whatever connection you implied?
"Let's ask this again. Please explain to me how thinking she's either:
a) Rating you near the top
b) At best rating you neutral
are any bit similar. In other words, what is the at worst equivalent for option b?"
I never said both were true.
Loran said that PF putting me as most town would appease Seppel.
That implies that Loran thinks that Seppel thinks I'm really town as well.
However, I've not read anything that would show that. As I've said before, my readings of Seppel's statements about me would imply that he doesn't really have a read on me.
Ex.
Town----------------------Neutral---------------------------------Scum
Me
This is what I think Seppel thinks of me. Ergo my confusion as to Loran's statement.
"My vote is where I want it. Thank you for your concern. Your input is important to us."
Lol at sarcasm.
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
You're not scumhunting at all. You're following Seppel, but you're steadfastingly refusing to vote.
There's no element of what you're doing that can be construed as scumhunting.
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He seems to be just having fun, and when I put pressure on him, he cowered into a corner and was like, "Don't hit me!"
For once I agree with Manders....how is THIS TOWN?! That's a scummy action. And as I alluded to earlier, he responded as well by putting out a scum list including Seppel's two top scum on the bottom of his list, Seppel near the top, and then asked Seppel who he should vote.
That's not townie, that's scared scum. (And no I'm not voting Pinkfloyd yet, since I still think Seppel is scum too.)
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I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
For once I agree with Manders....how is THIS TOWN?! That's a scummy action. And as I alluded to earlier, he responded as well by putting out a scum list including Seppel's two top scum on the bottom of his list, Seppel near the top, and then asked Seppel who he should vote.
That's not townie, that's scared scum. (And no I'm not voting Pinkfloyd yet, since I still think Seppel is scum too.)
lolol
If you really think we're scum then why am I defending him?
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Your points are basically something like "Iso is ignoring Roja because Roja doesn't have a vote," which isn't even true.
I never said anything to the point that Iso is ignoring me. If anything it's the opposite.
Iso tells you to be productive and he'll listen, and in response you say he's going to call everything you say invalid.
I think im being proactive. I mean, spending 1 to 2 hours reading this thread and comment I feel Im doing my part. I cannot help that when I see someone I think of scum is scum. I wouldn't expect him to validate my responses as im trying to convince everyone else he is scum.
You ignore the part where he has the newb town thought process of "anyone who doesn't agree with me is scum."
Well this is news to me. He is a noob in this game of mafia?
Also you put a lot of stock in Loran's read, which currently has Iso as town. And you make Iso up to be scum because of it.
Loran is town. He might have changed his mind on Iso but that doesn't make Iso town. He is still scum.
And you don't invalidate any of my arguments that show how obvtown he is. You just say one of them is suspect.
Sorry but after hearing that you are his brother, I need to hear things from anyone that isn't you or isn't barning you.
In conclusion, the game actions that you attempted to perform do not comply with my perceived notion of best practices to execute within this game of forum-based mafia.
So I should be like Pinkfloyd and just post nonsence all day? I mean that is why you think he is town right? I dont get it.
Well, in my defense, he had already called me a moron once then. So, no, I wasn't too happy with him.
I understand.
Who cares? Why was that important?
What would be the scum motivation to proclaim "I'm so mad at myself" then saying it's no big deal?
Town motivation is open honesty, which is kind of my bag. The only time I've lied as town was in Ogre when Seppel and I were masons, and it's because he wanted to do something to spice up the game.
Who cares? Me! See below on why not to say anything.
And the scum motivation? False claiming anything later in the game. Going back to your day 1 post of "oh crap" to clear whatever lie you might wanna tell.
Because you said you thought it was weird.
What reason is there not to divulge it?
Well if there is a role that triggers off of monkiers maybe there is something that triggers off of other triggers? Gaming the mod, but not something that is unlikely.
Absolutely not. I am held accountable for my actions. I chose to barn Seppel. If Iso were to come up scum, then I would expect pressure (if not to be outright lynched) for these actions. But, I'm pretty damn certain I'm not wrong.
Now being wrong about Iso wouldn't get you down right lynched.. I think anyone who has that mindset wouldn't be that helpful in the game of Mafia. The game fluxes.. However not having any opinion is why im still upset with your stance with Iso.
You realize that is a part of the reason I think he's scum, right? That ties into "not doing jack ****."
I never really thought of it that way. I mean not wanting to reply and not posting content I can see as the same thing. ok.
I don't see why you would feel worse about me for that, but sure. It shows initiative from him, which is something I hadn't seen. If you don't like my scumhunting technique, I can't help that.
Ok fine. I was just seeing how you would have reacted and Im satisfied.
Honestly Roja, your only reason is that one comment? Its not even scummy.
See now if you were reading the thread you would see that I said that it is POSTS LIKE THESE: and then I went ahead and posted the most recent post you made. You talk, but nothing useful comes out. Unless people beg of you for it. And THAT is why I think of you as scummy.
Yeah, I just wanted to see what you had to say about it. But being that we don't know if you're scum or not, I don't think it's the best of ideas to intentionally activate anyone's amnesia condition yet. The other thing I'm worried about is, if we do indeed lose our abilities once our memory trigger is activated, how do we know our new ability isn't going to be detrimental to the town? That's why I'm currently against your idea of a moniker claim. Maybe later on if we feel it could net an advantage against the scum, IF you've been cleared by then. Otherwise, I'm not going to advocate blindly activating something that could kill us townies off, whether intentional or accidental.
I bolded the part again where I see you are fishing for info. People who comment could give you info about their own role. Sure you could be asking what other people think.. But it's about their OWN ROLE. Not only that you add a little panic to get people talking. OMG I dont want to lose my role! DONT ACTIVATE MY TRIGGER..
I'm against anyone's amnesia trigger getting completed that could be detrimental to the town. I would think that was obvious.
But who makes you the decider of who gets to trigger or not? I guess you are ok with Reya getting her trigger done with. One question to not him totally makes this comment of yours believeable. And on top of things, there is no way anyone could know what their trigger will BECOME. So
you are against everyone getting their trigger.. am I right?
And apparently Tanarin thinks people would blurt out info like that (and as kill-joy showed, he is quite fond of blurting out info), so I felt it necessary to say to the people that it wasn't obvious to, HEY, TANARIN IS FISHING. DON'T BITE. As for Tanarin being town, I'm not convinced.
But then in your comment you yourself was giving away info. But like I said was to fish differently then him.
All hail Roja, king of WIFOM.
Once again, apples and oranges. My debate style is different from yours. That does not make me scum. It's a HORRIBLY weak argument to paint me as scum.
Stop right there. Do you have any meta to provide me how your method works? I would have figured you would have had something to show for your playstyle.
I'm not arguing that I don't want to answer questions or that I'm not prepared to answer questions, so don't put words in my mouth. I'm arguing that you need to read what it is that I'm saying so that I don't have to incessantly repeat myself. If I asked you to restate your point 10 times in a row, would you not be perturbed?
And you have to understand that I think that if you need to set up an arguement ahead of time. You are trying to hide something. And I think you are scum.
And yes I understand answering the same thing over and over again gets bothersom. You could always referance a prior statement.
Not what I said. Right now, you're being useless because you're hung up on me being scum. So once you get over the fact that you're wrong, you can possibly convince me of other people being scum, but currently, you're defending loran (who I already view as scummy), you're attacking me (a townie), and you're debating poorly. As it is, you're going to have a hard time convincing me of anything short of your username on this site being Roja.
So what about PF, Manders, Reya. you know the other people I told you to vote for? I am listening to you and answering. You can't be scum alone and I realize this. Hence why I told you to vote for either of those three.
Also, loran has me as town. So something seems to be amiss here. Tunnelvisioned, much?
Loran's opinion of you may of changed but mine didnt. And you arn't the only one I have been commenting on.
And I think your reasons for viewing me as scum aren't very strong at all. So what you're saying is it's okay for you to provide ****ty evidence but not for others to do the same (at least, according to you). Double standard noted.
Ok what is the point of all of this noting of me? I mean why even say it?
You think anyone who votes you is scum.
And you set up your arguments before hand.
These are NOT Townie traits. These are good reasons to have a vote on you.
Guess we'll see what happens. Also, have you already addressed why you think Reya is scum? A yes or no will suffice, but if not, can you explain why? If so, just say yes and I'll go find your post.
Answered above.
I bow to your ability to WIFOM.
"Iso's playstyle is different. Let's lynch him!"
"Iso doesn't want to lose his ability. Let's lynch him!" (Which, by the way, nice fishing there.)
"Iso doesn't want to die. Let's lynch him!"
Hmm...
Can you clarify the bold? Because it was your statment of fishing.. I just pointed it out.
If it is your choice to play scummy well I guess you should expect some votes. But then again ZOMG that has to be part of your master plan!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
"I would like reasoning from both Roja and Seppel as to why pinkfloyd posting irrelevant posts provides proof of him being either scum or town."
PF posting next to nothing of content (Or anyone really) gives us as the town nothing to analize. Just becuase someone is active and posting a ton of LOLs and UR funny is awesome for activity. But with no substance they are pointless. If the person is told to post more content and they don't I have to assume it because they arn't trying to scum hunt thus be scum. This also goes for reading the thread as well. If they don't take an effort in reading how can we get anything of substance from that player?
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If you really think we're scum then why am I defending him?
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Well this is a bit of WIFOM that's not worth going into.
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I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
It's kind of the crux of your argument so yeah if you yourself are calling it WIFOM then wow.
Huh? Your alignment has nothing to do with my argument against him. You could be scum bussing him or town actually attacking him...and his reaction doesn't change and nor does his play stop being scummy.
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I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
Huh? Your alignment has nothing to do with my argument against him. You could be scum bussing him or town actually attacking him...and his reaction doesn't change and nor does his play stop being scummy.
"Let's state some analysis of the situation at hand. The following players are not going to both be scum: loran and Iso (for the reason that no scum is going to bus their buddy this hard with the exception of Seppel when he forgots his team), Iso and Tanarin (there is no way that the game would have enough steam to get 2 of 3 scum wagoned early day 1)."
Here he makes the assumption that there are only 3 scum.
Here he connects Loran and Iso, and Tanarin and Iso.
I wonder if he will try to make him out to be scum anytime soon. *cough Iso cough*
This point will come into play later. Look for the keyword DALEK.
Also: His logic that Iso and Tanarin couldn't both be scum is flawed, as 2 scum could totally be wagoned early day 1. I would say it's just as unlikely to find scum in RVS. It's happened before.
"Why is pinkfloyd's the only vote on Tanarin that can be scum?"
That's not what Manders actually said. Manders seemed to be implying that PF's was the SCUMMIEST vote on the wagon, not that he was the ONLY scum on the wagon. Possible word twisting.
"You've never provided a justification for this. Just 'he's playing like his town self'. That's not good enough. How is he playing like his town self? What makes you so convinced he's town?"
"Trusting Seppel's judgement is a horrible reason. I'm just going to leave it at that."
So, this is interesting.
Here you see a strikethrough through a sentence that The Doctor posted along with a normal sentence.
What's interesting is that this is the internet, and not a piece of paper and pen. Theres a backspace key.
So why include it if, as strikethroughing implies, we are no longer supposed to consider it. Why not erase it?
What about this message are we supposed to see, but not consider? Possible breadcrumbing of some sort?
"So you're saying that voting him would cause him to vote more?"
I never said this either. I said that voting him may cause him to POST more.
"This here, this is what we like to call a major town tell or extremely brilliant scum play. So yeah, heavily weighted Iso toward the town side for now (Iso, that doesn't mean I want you to start ignoring my questions again) - Unvote: Iso"
No matter how major town that play possibly was (I'm still not convinced at the logic on that) I see no reason why two people (you and loran) who are scumhunting THAT HARD just pull something just short of a 180 based on a one sentence post like the one Iso made.
I'm pretty sure that when somebody quotes you, you see what their amnesia trigger (and possibly alignment) is, which is why you're convinced I'm town.
"Tanarin - Scummy for proposing that we activate everyone's abilities, regardless of possible detriment to town Gives dagger -1 for dagger's vote on Iso when Tanarin's vote is worse than Daggers. Doesn't even bring the vote up
MandersHex - I think I have a good idea of what her trigger/ability is, but I want her insight from tomorrow's post before I make a call on her alignment; leaning town Seems to clear you based upon what he thinks your ability is
PinkFloyd - Town-ish for lack of usable content but for seeming town-ly with intents, diction, and reactions seeming
The_Doctor - Obvious town; excellent player based on Twilight Mafia readings, but makes better false reads than genuine (a la pulling things out of his ass) Completely fake justification. Only play has read of mine is from Twilight Mafia where I was scum. The posts I had made in the thread at that point should not have pointed to obvious town or scum.
kill-joy - Inept town but IGMEOY No justification
Reya Cookiebringer - Needs to pay more attention, but leaning town Leaning town, no justification
Seppel - loltown No justification"
Now he's back on Iso again. Didn't he just say he was leaning heavily toward town earlier in the same post?
"If you're going to start a phrase with 'If I was scum' (explicit or implied), just don't even bother saying it because if you were scum, you would be aware that that's how you would behave if you were scum and you'd modify your play accordingly."
So stating that "A logical avenue for a scum in my position to take would have been..." isn't a valid argument? No wait, it is. Police do it all the time. Getting inside the heads of your opponents is how you figure out how to fight them.
It's not invalid to think that way.
"You were missing the sarcasm takes on the last line to make it completely obvious, but I'm glad someone else understands that."
"I'd like to agree with so much, it's not even funny."
"Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the perfect example of someone that believes what he's saying. I don't get how some of you can think loran is scum."
Gee, you sure do agree with Loran a lot, don'tcha?
More buddying.
"Or one of any number of more likely scenarios."
Here he avoids the possibility that Loran could have triggered his ability.
"Also, since I want to see how many people are actually reading through this, I'm going to borrow an idea from Seppel. Will anyone that's reading this please include anything in the title bar of their next post, it can be a different icon, some text, whatever you want."
IDK if this means anything. It seems odd.
"MandersHex and loran are also not scum together."
Hm. I wonder if he will paint Manders as scum anytime soon?
"Let's take this thing in a different direction, shall we? Vote: MandersHex"
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"Scum will take whichever path they believe gives them the best chances of winning. It doesn't always mean they'll be right, but this rule is the one constant that you know about scum behavior. Rather than coming up with 20 theories will little supporting evidence, you are much more likely to be on the right track with one or two theories that are much simpler. For example, you yourself mentioned the possibility of the Tanarin wagon being a scum wagon that wouldn't all be scum. You are making an assumption that there are less than four scum in the game. Until we have evidence to the contrary, it is a valid assumption. Ockham's razor is a very helpful tool in this regard."
Wait... Didn't HE make that assumption way back here?:
"No need to concern yourself with the question. It's more a note to myself for later."
A note, huh? I take notes. On my computer.
Not online. You know what I put online? Things I want people to read, and/or think about.
More breadcrumbing.
"Isn't that fascinating. Why do you feel pinkfloyd is a better lynch target than Tanarin?"
When did the Doc say that Tanarin was a good lynch target before this?
Do you think Tanarin is scum? Can you tell us why?
"No, that's not what he said means. Are you purposefully misconstruing what Seppel is trying to say?"
Again on the attack. Seems like more word twisting, imho.
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"So you need a lot of posts to judge a read on a player? What's the difference between needing a lot of content and needing a lot of posts? I am a high-content, low post-count player."
It's obvious to me what PF meant.
This seems like Doc's twisting more words around here.
"A bit more of information - Roja is now looking town more now than ever before."
"The connection is based around how you have played in the scenario, not how she has played."
So, on top of giving no evidence to support this, you imply that I've done something to lump me in with the scum you've already accused.
"Let's ask this again. Please explain to me how thinking she's either:
a) Rating you near the top
b) At best rating you neutral
are any bit similar. In other words, what is the at worst equivalent for option b?"
After explaining this to him once, he still tried to make something seemingly out of nothing.
Odd also how it was in response to a question to Loran.
IDK for sure about Loran. All I know is the Doc is defending/barning him a lot. Food for thought.
"I would like reasoning from both Roja and Seppel as to why pinkfloyd posting irrelevant posts provides proof of him being either scum or town."
Again with the strikethroughs.
I honestly think theres a lot of suspicious stuff going on here.
I'd like more opinions, but I'm still going to Vote The_Doctor.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I don't see anything wrong with The_Doctor, and the strikethroughs are, as far as I can tell, points he has received answers to, with an updated point/request following it.
But this reminds me: @Iso: You know that Manders doesn't have the ability you think/thought she had, right?
I don't see anything wrong with The_Doctor, and the strikethroughs are, as far as I can tell, points he has received answers to, with an updated point/request following it.
But this reminds me: @Iso: You know that Manders doesn't have the ability you think/thought she had, right?
Well I see lots wrong with him.
As for the strikethroughs, ok. I don't see a whole lot of those on this site.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Well this is news to me. He is a noob in this game of mafia?
This is my second game of forum mafia, and the other one is currently ongoing. I've played IRL and on IRC, but I don't have an established meta yet, aside from how I played IRL and on IRC, so...nothing to reference. The only person who would know is Seppel.
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Sorry but after hearing that you are his brother, I need to hear things from anyone that isn't you or isn't barning you.
See above. And Seppel wouldn't hesitate to attempt to lynch me if he thought I were scum, I know that for a fact. As for your statement about wanting to hear from somebody aside from Seppel who isn't barning Seppel regarding my mafia playing, well, not only are you not going to be able to find anyone who falls under that category (as MandersHex is agreeing with Seppel and the only other person who knows anything about me outside of the forums is Nikomaru [and he's not in this game]), that's essentially asking, "Hey, can anyone help me paint Iso as scum?" What's the matter, your points not strong enough on their own? Or are you giving up?
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I bolded the part again where I see you are fishing for info. People who comment could give you info about their own role. Sure you could be asking what other people think.. But it's about their OWN ROLE. Not only that you add a little panic to get people talking. OMG I dont want to lose my role! DONT ACTIVATE MY TRIGGER..
So my external speculation is now fishing? I wasn't expecting an answer to a rhetorical question. I wasn't asking for any information from anyway. I was telling people to consider the possibility and
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But who makes you the decider of who gets to trigger or not? I guess you are ok with Reya getting her trigger done with. One question to not him totally makes this comment of yours believeable. And on top of things, there is no way anyone could know what their trigger will BECOME. So you are against everyone getting their trigger.. am I right?
Umm, nobody? Everyone plays the game the way they want to play the game, that doesn't mean I can't input my advice to help some of the newer town players out. I never agreed with Reya activating his trigger, but unless I had a daykill PR, what could I have done to stop him? Unless his prior ability was detrimental to town, then I would definitely advocate him activating his trigger, assuming it helped town. I see your logic, but currently, I'm content with my ability and don't intend for it to go anywhere for the time being.
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But then in your comment you yourself was giving away info. But like I said was to fish differently then him.
...what? I'm sorry, I'm just not understanding the way you constructed this sentence, but let me try to respond to it to the best of my ability. I wasn't giving away any information about my role, it was intended to be viewed as speculation. But since you've BLATANTLY POINTED OUT that I don't want to lose my ability, I see no reason to keep that fact under wraps. But I have no intention of revealing what my ability is yet, for reasons I will not disclose. Just know that it's not something I'm willing to lose yet, as it can help the town if it comes down to it being activated.
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Stop right there. Do you have any meta to provide me how your method works? I would have figured you would have had something to show for your playstyle.
See above where I regarded your statement on my mafia experience.
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And you have to understand that I think that if you need to set up an arguement ahead of time. You are trying to hide something. And I think you are scum.
And yes I understand answering the same thing over and over again gets bothersom. You could always referance a prior statement.
I understand that you think that, but that's just how I play the game, for the reasons I gave when I addressed this in a prior statement. On that note, I do reference prior statements. You were just unwilling/unable to find said posts. I've had a rough week and very little sleep, been working 12-hour shifts that end at 7 in the morning, didn't get back from DC 'til 7 in the morning on Saturday because I went the wrong way and ended up in Maryland. So if I don't want to find the posts I'm referring to, pardon me if I seem a bit irritable when asked to A. tell you which posts they were, and B. have to repeat myself. As I've already made it quite evident, I have no contention with finding YOUR posts that I intend to reference, so I'm not asking something of you I'm not willing to do, myself. It's just obnoxious. I don't even know why I'm still up and posting right now, I have to get up at 8 to go to court in the morning and afshsdgl;sajdf I haven't slept decently in a year and a half. I should probably start trying to do that.
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So what about PF, Manders, Reya. you know the other people I told you to vote for? I am listening to you and answering. You can't be scum alone and I realize this. Hence why I told you to vote for either of those three.
PF, I can see. Manders, probably not. Reya, I'm kind of up in the air right now about Reya based on recent posts and the second vote on SP. Yes, Reya said it was accidental, but I'm watching him. Would you like me to analyze Reya's posts? You haven't made too much of a case on anyone, IIRC, aside from pinkfloyd, which consisted of "you are not productive". Maybe that's the not sleep robbing me of my memory of your posts. I'll re-read after I post this. But my offer to do a PBPA of Reya still stands. On that note, however, I am wary of your scum choices because I'm not liking your alignment in my eyes, currently.
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Ok what is the point of all of this noting of me? I mean why even say it?
Because it's scummy.
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You think anyone who votes you is scum.
And you set up your arguments before hand.
These are NOT Townie traits. These are good reasons to have a vote on you.
Then I guess that makes me a scummy player when I'm town. Apples and oranges.
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Answered above.
10-4.
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Can you clarify the bold? Because it was your statment of fishing.. I just pointed it out.
"Hey, let me point out that I think Iso might not want to lose his ability, and we'll see how he reacts oh he doesn't want to lose it hmm"
^ Because wanting to help town is such a scum tell.
But this reminds me: @Iso: You know that Manders doesn't have the ability you think/thought she had, right?
I addressed that in a previous post where I re-read one of Manders's statements and I realized she couldn't possibly have that ability after I thought she did. But yeah, Manders already essentially clarified that. Also, I'm not claiming anything, why do you think I'm claiming? o-O Does it have to do with the fact that, as Roja kindly pointed out, I DO NOT WANT TO LOSE MY ABILITY YET?
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Whoops, seems I didn't finish one of my thoughts up there. "So my external speculation is now fishing? I wasn't expecting an answer to a rhetorical question. I wasn't asking for any information from anyway. I was telling people to consider the possibility and be wary of what it may entail. So yes, for clarification, I have a good ability, since you've gone deep-sea fishing on that subject, and I'm not willing to lose it just yet, as I address in this post."
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2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
So I should be like Pinkfloyd and just post nonsence all day? I mean that is why you think he is town right? I dont get it.
I've made lists, pressured people and even made claims. Just because over the last 2 or 3 pages I've made a couple of irrelevant posts doesn't mean I'm posting complete nonsense.
Well good then.
ROJA, QUICK, LOOK, I FOUND A NONSENSE POST, KILL THIS SCUM NOW!!
(2) Please say nothing else about your role and just hope you don't die tonight.
Yeah...Imma /barn this because you should NEVER reveal role info unless absolutely necessary.
[QUOTE=Seppel;/comments/10778429]I don't see anything wrong with The_Doctor, and the strikethroughs are, as far as I can tell, points he has received answers to, with an updated point/request following it./QUOTE]
So did you not like my points about him? Did you just not agree with them or what?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
You're just throwing suspicion at him without any real merit to the suspicion. "OH WOW THESE LINES ARE CROSSED OUT SO SUSPICIOUS!!" and "I BET HE'LL VOTE MANDERS AFTER THAT OH LOOK HE DID!!" and "BUT YOU HAVE NO COMPELLING EVIDENCE MANDERS IS SCUM?!!?"
Either The_Doctor will respond to this properly and be aggravated that he has to reply, or he'll do something else. Your arguments haven't compelled me into thinking he's scum and I don't expect The_Doctor's response to compel me either.
LOL
And for the rest of you, remember Tanarin has claimed a restriction of requiring one less vote to lynch.
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
VOTE COUNT #6
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Tanarin (3) - pinkfloyd, Seppel, MandersHex
loran16 (1) - Iso
MandersHex (1) - The_Doctor
Seppel (1) - loran16
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With 12 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.
Oh how thoughtful of you to remind us that we should be wary of lynching your scumbuddy.
Why are you suspicious of me when I put you at the top of my list?
lulwut?
Please do.
I want explanations from all.
LOL
I didn't say I was suspicious of you. I asked Loran why the act of you putting me on the top of your town list would please Seppel.
Speaking of which:
@Loran: Why would me being on the top of PF's list appease Seppel?
I honestly haven't gotten any scum reads from you Kill Joy, and we are over 600 posts in. That is why you are at the top.
LOL
YOU HAVE NOT YET APPEASED SEPPEL
DID YOU LIGHT THE INCENSE BEFORE YOUR GOOD NIGHT RITUAL TO SEPPEL?
HAVE YOU TREKKED UP SEPPEL MOUNTAIN TO BEG THE SEPPEL GURU FOR FORGIVENESS?
IN WHAT ORDER DID YOU BURN YOUR LINKIN PARK CDs?
****ing win, laughed so loud
LOL
hmmm ok. That's valid imo.
hahahahahaha I lol'd.
How is this false, Loran?
See now I take your attitude here as something to make note of. Becuase you have already established that you are setting up arguements before hand. I am assuming then anything asked of you that doesn't meet your plan then is "just a major inconvenience". Sorry bub this is mafia people ask questions all the time. Sorry to have bothered the mighty scummy Iso.
I'm saying you are both fishing AND telling people NOT to reveal their information. You cannot do both.
Wow you are reaching here, I am reading the game. Seems like the arguments you are setting up for me arn't working. Are you against anyone getting their monkiers completed? And clearly everyone isnt going to just blurt out this info do you really think that it will happen?
OH and you should check out the game, Tanarin is town.
This is not something I ever would think to do unless I am playing the game as scum. And it just seems to be a weak argument to not have to play the game when people ask you questions you arn't prepaired to answer.
So basicly you are just going to ignore me and treat anything I have to say as it isn't valid. Yea you are SURELY a townsperson.
I told you who are scum. You, Manders, Reya and PF. And just because you are scum and I have no vote doesn't mean im going to ignore what you do. Nice try to deflect though.
Really? You think everyone who votes for you is auto scum. That isn't correct and your thinking needs to change.
Hey while you are making a note, please make sure it includes the fact that Loran is town. I mean if you are going to make up and BOLD statements about people you might want to include the truth.
I find Lorans comments on you ok becuase and get ready for it... HE IS TOWN AND YOU ARE SCUM!!! (OMG I can bold things too~!)
I couldn't find it, which is why I asked you to provide your reasonings.. Since you said you had your attacks, and I just read the whole game and didnt see it. I figured you could find it. Which you did, however I didn't think any were strong enough reasonings.
Yup I agree, Reya isn't town so for PF to think that way.. Oi not good.
Just more content. Im not saying post nonsence every day. Just I dont have a great read on you. As of now I would say you are a townie. I just feel that there is something I am missing with you, and I don't know how to explain it except its a gut thing.
You could have said things differently. The fact that you chose to bash him as oppose to tell him is why I consider it an attack.
For the record I didn't want to know what it was all about. I was stating how I didn't like how you brough attention to yourself. Then play it off.
Any reason you gave up this information with no pressure to? I mean I believe you with your handicap, I just don't get why NOW was the time to say it.
So if Iso is scum we are to blame Seppel and not you becuase you were only barning? I mean You really have NO opinion of Iso or that your feelings with Seppel's comments mean nothing to how you really feel?
I find it funny because I am trying to figure out if there is some scum bussing going on here or not.
My reasons on why I think PF is scum?:
It's the dozens of posts that have nothing to do with anything really question if he cares what goes on in this game.
Even if it makes me feel worse about you?
Iso is scum becuase of how he is setting up arguements before they happen. I do not see a townie doing this. Him afraid to lose his ability strikes me as odd. ([gaming the mod]Maybe the scum get weaker if they get their monkier?[/gaming the mod]) Him making note of Mander is suspect as well. Are my points valid are is blood thicker then umm text? Iso is scum.
Funny, I think of him as town for that.
Your points are basically something like "Iso is ignoring Roja because Roja doesn't have a vote," which isn't even true.
Iso tells you to be productive and he'll listen, and in response you say he's going to call everything you say invalid.
You ignore the part where he has the newb town thought process of "anyone who doesn't agree with me is scum."
Also you put a lot of stock in Loran's read, which currently has Iso as town. And you make Iso up to be scum because of it.
And you don't invalidate any of my arguments that show how obvtown he is. You just say one of them is suspect.
In conclusion, the game actions that you attempted to perform do not comply with my perceived notion of best practices to execute within this game of forum-based mafia.
@Seppel: I don't see how you feel that PF is town for all the noise comments he is making.
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Two things:
1) If you're not going to use the multi-quote button, can you at least put in the name of who said what? Sheesh.
2) I've already said plenty on those two reads.
I, too, would like to see the answer to this.
I will never burn the Linkin Park CDs that I have, Seppel Guru. But I won't get any more.
Well, in my defense, he had already called me a moron once then. So, no, I wasn't too happy with him.
Who cares? Why was that important?
What would be the scum motivation to proclaim "I'm so mad at myself" then saying it's no big deal?
Town motivation is open honesty, which is kind of my bag. The only time I've lied as town was in Ogre when Seppel and I were masons, and it's because he wanted to do something to spice up the game.
Because you said you thought it was weird.
What reason is there not to divulge it?
Absolutely not. I am held accountable for my actions. I chose to barn Seppel. If Iso were to come up scum, then I would expect pressure (if not to be outright lynched) for these actions. But, I'm pretty damn certain I'm not wrong.
You realize that is a part of the reason I think he's scum, right? That ties into "not doing jack ****."
I don't see why you would feel worse about me for that, but sure. It shows initiative from him, which is something I hadn't seen. If you don't like my scumhunting technique, I can't help that.
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He seems to be just having fun, and when I put pressure on him, he cowered into a corner and was like, "Don't hit me!"
I was going to say I also found that funny but everyone will think I am scum...
Honestly Roja, your only reason is that one comment? Its not even scummy.
LOL
Your transgressions are forgiven. As for this being Mafia, I'm quite aware of that. If I weren't, I wouldn't be answering your questions.
I am once again failing to see where I am fishing in any way, shape, or form.
I'm against anyone's amnesia trigger getting completed that could be detrimental to the town. I would think that was obvious. And apparently Tanarin thinks people would blurt out info like that (and as kill-joy showed, he is quite fond of blurting out info), so I felt it necessary to say to the people that it wasn't obvious to, HEY, TANARIN IS FISHING. DON'T BITE. As for Tanarin being town, I'm not convinced.
All hail Roja, king of WIFOM. Once again, apples and oranges. My debate style is different from yours. That does not make me scum. It's a HORRIBLY weak argument to paint me as scum. I'm not arguing that I don't want to answer questions or that I'm not prepared to answer questions, so don't put words in my mouth. I'm arguing that you need to read what it is that I'm saying so that I don't have to incessantly repeat myself. If I asked you to restate your point 10 times in a row, would you not be perturbed?
Not what I said. Right now, you're being useless because you're hung up on me being scum. So once you get over the fact that you're wrong, you can possibly convince me of other people being scum, but currently, you're defending loran (who I already view as scummy), you're attacking me (a townie), and you're debating poorly. As it is, you're going to have a hard time convincing me of anything short of your username on this site being Roja.
Why the assumption that there are four scum? No deflections here, bossman.
See above where I addressed this.
hey no
Also, loran has me as town. So something seems to be amiss here. Tunnelvisioned, much?
And I think your reasons for viewing me as scum aren't very strong at all. So what you're saying is it's okay for you to provide ****ty evidence but not for others to do the same (at least, according to you). Double standard noted.
Guess we'll see what happens. Also, have you already addressed why you think Reya is scum? A yes or no will suffice, but if not, can you explain why? If so, just say yes and I'll go find your post.
I bow to your ability to WIFOM.
"Iso's playstyle is different. Let's lynch him!"
"Iso doesn't want to lose his ability. Let's lynch him!" (Which, by the way, nice fishing there.)
"Iso doesn't want to die. Let's lynch him!"
Hmm...
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"No, he hasn't confirmed himself as anything. He's provided evidence that heavily implies that he is town, but there is no 'confirmed' anywhere in there."
"Then I apologize for missing your initial point. However, your second point is not a statement about which I was asking. I was asking about scum on a wagon being a detriment to town, not scum on a town wagon. Scum can and do bus buddies."
"There is no proof that either you or Seppel are town, so when you come in and give a flippant answer as to why one player is the only one that can be town on the wagon, I find that to be avoiding the original question."
"So, what are your thoughts about Silent Prophet?"
"Yes, that would be the implication."
"I may be a bit daft, but are you claiming to be a neutral? If not, what is the point of this statement? What are you trying to get at?"
"One vote and you're already talking about people lynching you and the ramifications on the game afterward? Seems a bit premature, don't you think? I don't know about anyone else, but if there were proof you were town, I would put additional weight on your analysis of Seppel being town."
"I do, but there's not enough for a case of it. Like I said, a reminder for myself once more alignments are known."
"Yes."
"The connection is based around how you have played in the scenario, not how she has played."
"Let's ask this again. Please explain to me how thinking she's either:
a) Rating you near the top
b) At best rating you neutral
are any bit similar. In other words, what is the at worst equivalent for option b?"
"No, I can guarantee that I think you are scum. Just like when I voted for Iso, I thought he was scum."
"Go ahead, say you're 'not sure what to make of it' one more time, I dare you."
"My vote is where I want it. Thank you for your concern. Your input is important to us."
"If anyone reading this would post a number in their next post, it would be appreciated. It can be any number you want. Roman numeral, digital, spelled out, whatever. Thanks."
"Then you obviously don't know how The_Doctor plays. My posting approximately once a day has no bearing on Reya keeping a promise about posting a list."
"I would like reasoning from both Roja and
Seppelas to why pinkfloyd posting irrelevant posts provides proof of him being either scum or town.""Still not seeing what about that makes him town."
And how, exactly, does that point to a town mindset?
That's not what he said.
Possibly. I'm not impressed.
He's closest to confirmed than anyone here. That's good enough for me.
I am well aware that they can and do, just as you are aware that I am one of those scum players that will bus the **** out of her buddy. However, in respects to the question at hand, since I was thinking then (and am now convinced) that Iso is town, it is only natural that I would be referring to a scum on a town wagon, no?
Just because you are not satisfied with the answer I got does not mean I was avoiding the question. I gave you the answer that was true at the time and is still true, imo.
I'm content to leave him be until he can actually contribute as I can't get a read on nothing but smilies.
No, I'm not claiming neutral. The point of the statement was, if there are neutrals in the game, than if I were scum and Iso were not, there would still not be enough evidence for me to believe he's town over neutral.
Not at all. While I may only have one vote, there are others expressing concern of me. And, mostly because I don't really care if I live or die, so long as the town wins.
Huh?
Good for you!
I'm stating, by our discussion earlier, I got the impression that, just because you put a vote on someone , that doesn't guarantee that person is scum in your mind.
I'm not sure what to make of this.
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You're going to have to explain this, Doctor. Why are you alluding to a connection between me and Manders? And you stated that you think Manders is scum. Are you saying I'm scum as well due to whatever connection you implied?
I never said both were true.
Loran said that PF putting me as most town would appease Seppel.
That implies that Loran thinks that Seppel thinks I'm really town as well.
However, I've not read anything that would show that. As I've said before, my readings of Seppel's statements about me would imply that he doesn't really have a read on me.
Ex.
Town----------------------Neutral---------------------------------Scum
Me
This is what I think Seppel thinks of me. Ergo my confusion as to Loran's statement.
Lol at sarcasm.
Ok.
A number.
Haha, Iso, you are such a little ****.
:3
You're welcome.
We both know that won't happen till AFTER the CD burning.
Can I burn Nickelback CDs instead?
Seems more worth it.
You're not scumhunting at all. You're following Seppel, but you're steadfastingly refusing to vote.
There's no element of what you're doing that can be construed as scumhunting.
For once I agree with Manders....how is THIS TOWN?! That's a scummy action. And as I alluded to earlier, he responded as well by putting out a scum list including Seppel's two top scum on the bottom of his list, Seppel near the top, and then asked Seppel who he should vote.
That's not townie, that's scared scum. (And no I'm not voting Pinkfloyd yet, since I still think Seppel is scum too.)
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Thank you for answering.
I'll take that into account.
lolol
If you really think we're scum then why am I defending him?
@kill-joy: The Nickelback CDs are an appropriate compromise.
Why?
I never said anything to the point that Iso is ignoring me. If anything it's the opposite.
I think im being proactive. I mean, spending 1 to 2 hours reading this thread and comment I feel Im doing my part. I cannot help that when I see someone I think of scum is scum. I wouldn't expect him to validate my responses as im trying to convince everyone else he is scum.
Well this is news to me. He is a noob in this game of mafia?
Loran is town. He might have changed his mind on Iso but that doesn't make Iso town. He is still scum.
Sorry but after hearing that you are his brother, I need to hear things from anyone that isn't you or isn't barning you.
So I should be like Pinkfloyd and just post nonsence all day? I mean that is why you think he is town right? I dont get it.
I understand.
Who cares? Me! See below on why not to say anything.
And the scum motivation? False claiming anything later in the game. Going back to your day 1 post of "oh crap" to clear whatever lie you might wanna tell.
Well if there is a role that triggers off of monkiers maybe there is something that triggers off of other triggers? Gaming the mod, but not something that is unlikely.
Now being wrong about Iso wouldn't get you down right lynched.. I think anyone who has that mindset wouldn't be that helpful in the game of Mafia. The game fluxes.. However not having any opinion is why im still upset with your stance with Iso.
I never really thought of it that way. I mean not wanting to reply and not posting content I can see as the same thing. ok.
Ok fine. I was just seeing how you would have reacted and Im satisfied.
See now if you were reading the thread you would see that I said that it is POSTS LIKE THESE: and then I went ahead and posted the most recent post you made. You talk, but nothing useful comes out. Unless people beg of you for it. And THAT is why I think of you as scummy.
I bolded the part again where I see you are fishing for info. People who comment could give you info about their own role. Sure you could be asking what other people think.. But it's about their OWN ROLE. Not only that you add a little panic to get people talking. OMG I dont want to lose my role! DONT ACTIVATE MY TRIGGER..
But who makes you the decider of who gets to trigger or not? I guess you are ok with Reya getting her trigger done with. One question to not him totally makes this comment of yours believeable. And on top of things, there is no way anyone could know what their trigger will BECOME. So
you are against everyone getting their trigger.. am I right?
But then in your comment you yourself was giving away info. But like I said was to fish differently then him.
Stop right there. Do you have any meta to provide me how your method works? I would have figured you would have had something to show for your playstyle.
And you have to understand that I think that if you need to set up an arguement ahead of time. You are trying to hide something. And I think you are scum.
And yes I understand answering the same thing over and over again gets bothersom. You could always referance a prior statement.
So what about PF, Manders, Reya. you know the other people I told you to vote for? I am listening to you and answering. You can't be scum alone and I realize this. Hence why I told you to vote for either of those three.
491 Check here.
Loran's opinion of you may of changed but mine didnt. And you arn't the only one I have been commenting on.
Ok what is the point of all of this noting of me? I mean why even say it?
You think anyone who votes you is scum.
And you set up your arguments before hand.
These are NOT Townie traits. These are good reasons to have a vote on you.
Answered above.
Can you clarify the bold? Because it was your statment of fishing.. I just pointed it out.
If it is your choice to play scummy well I guess you should expect some votes. But then again ZOMG that has to be part of your master plan!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
PF posting next to nothing of content (Or anyone really) gives us as the town nothing to analize. Just becuase someone is active and posting a ton of LOLs and UR funny is awesome for activity. But with no substance they are pointless. If the person is told to post more content and they don't I have to assume it because they arn't trying to scum hunt thus be scum. This also goes for reading the thread as well. If they don't take an effort in reading how can we get anything of substance from that player?
Well this is a bit of WIFOM that's not worth going into.
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
I already answered this. He sounds legit.
No, I'm pretty sure you said that.
Forum mafia, yes. Real life mafia and IRC mafia, no. This version, in my opinion, is much more skill-intensive.
ALARM BELLS.
Wow. You want someone who doesn't agree with me to tell you that they agree with me. And I'm Yossarian.
You'll do anything to look town to me, huh? You should act like you do as town. Why is it such a concern to you?
P.S. Please explain how Iso's lack of best practices in relation to revealing parts of his role qualifies as (1) fishing and (2) scummy behavior.
Also @Iso: Stop claiming unnecessarily.
It's kind of the crux of your argument so yeah if you yourself are calling it WIFOM then wow.
Huh? Your alignment has nothing to do with my argument against him. You could be scum bussing him or town actually attacking him...and his reaction doesn't change and nor does his play stop being scummy.
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
Ahahaha. You can't even get your story straight.
You're not even paying attention to the thread.
Unvote, vote loran.
Seriously.
Here he makes the assumption that there are only 3 scum.
Here he connects Loran and Iso, and Tanarin and Iso.
I wonder if he will try to make him out to be scum anytime soon. *cough Iso cough*
This point will come into play later. Look for the keyword DALEK.
Also: His logic that Iso and Tanarin couldn't both be scum is flawed, as 2 scum could totally be wagoned early day 1. I would say it's just as unlikely to find scum in RVS. It's happened before.
That's not what Manders actually said. Manders seemed to be implying that PF's was the SCUMMIEST vote on the wagon, not that he was the ONLY scum on the wagon. Possible word twisting.
So, this is interesting.
Here you see a strikethrough through a sentence that The Doctor posted along with a normal sentence.
What's interesting is that this is the internet, and not a piece of paper and pen. Theres a backspace key.
So why include it if, as strikethroughing implies, we are no longer supposed to consider it. Why not erase it?
What about this message are we supposed to see, but not consider? Possible breadcrumbing of some sort?
I never said this either. I said that voting him may cause him to POST more.
No matter how major town that play possibly was (I'm still not convinced at the logic on that) I see no reason why two people (you and loran) who are scumhunting THAT HARD just pull something just short of a 180 based on a one sentence post like the one Iso made.
Buddying with Loran mebe?
For reference:
Now he's back on Iso again. Didn't he just say he was leaning heavily toward town earlier in the same post?
So stating that "A logical avenue for a scum in my position to take would have been..." isn't a valid argument? No wait, it is. Police do it all the time. Getting inside the heads of your opponents is how you figure out how to fight them.
It's not invalid to think that way.
Gee, you sure do agree with Loran a lot, don'tcha?
More buddying.
Here he avoids the possibility that Loran could have triggered his ability.
IDK if this means anything. It seems odd.
Hm. I wonder if he will paint Manders as scum anytime soon?
Kind of like this maybe?
Oh, and DALEK.
Wait... Didn't HE make that assumption way back here?:
He also provided no compelling evidence that she isn't.
Here he connects Manders and I, after he alluded to the fact that he thinks Manders is scum. That's fine. Calling me scum isn't the problem here.
This is:
A note, huh? I take notes. On my computer.
Not online. You know what I put online? Things I want people to read, and/or think about.
More breadcrumbing.
When did the Doc say that Tanarin was a good lynch target before this?
Do you think Tanarin is scum? Can you tell us why?
It's obvious to me what PF meant.
This seems like Doc's twisting more words around here.
No evidence presented. Why is it?
So, on top of giving no evidence to support this, you imply that I've done something to lump me in with the scum you've already accused.
After explaining this to him once, he still tried to make something seemingly out of nothing.
Odd also how it was in response to a question to Loran.
IDK for sure about Loran. All I know is the Doc is defending/barning him a lot. Food for thought.
Again with the strikethroughs.
I honestly think theres a lot of suspicious stuff going on here.
I'd like more opinions, but I'm still going to Vote The_Doctor.
But this reminds me: @Iso: You know that Manders doesn't have the ability you think/thought she had, right?
Well I see lots wrong with him.
As for the strikethroughs, ok. I don't see a whole lot of those on this site.
This is my second game of forum mafia, and the other one is currently ongoing. I've played IRL and on IRC, but I don't have an established meta yet, aside from how I played IRL and on IRC, so...nothing to reference. The only person who would know is Seppel.
See above. And Seppel wouldn't hesitate to attempt to lynch me if he thought I were scum, I know that for a fact. As for your statement about wanting to hear from somebody aside from Seppel who isn't barning Seppel regarding my mafia playing, well, not only are you not going to be able to find anyone who falls under that category (as MandersHex is agreeing with Seppel and the only other person who knows anything about me outside of the forums is Nikomaru [and he's not in this game]), that's essentially asking, "Hey, can anyone help me paint Iso as scum?" What's the matter, your points not strong enough on their own? Or are you giving up?
So my external speculation is now fishing? I wasn't expecting an answer to a rhetorical question. I wasn't asking for any information from anyway. I was telling people to consider the possibility and
Umm, nobody? Everyone plays the game the way they want to play the game, that doesn't mean I can't input my advice to help some of the newer town players out. I never agreed with Reya activating his trigger, but unless I had a daykill PR, what could I have done to stop him? Unless his prior ability was detrimental to town, then I would definitely advocate him activating his trigger, assuming it helped town. I see your logic, but currently, I'm content with my ability and don't intend for it to go anywhere for the time being.
...what? I'm sorry, I'm just not understanding the way you constructed this sentence, but let me try to respond to it to the best of my ability. I wasn't giving away any information about my role, it was intended to be viewed as speculation. But since you've BLATANTLY POINTED OUT that I don't want to lose my ability, I see no reason to keep that fact under wraps. But I have no intention of revealing what my ability is yet, for reasons I will not disclose. Just know that it's not something I'm willing to lose yet, as it can help the town if it comes down to it being activated.
See above where I regarded your statement on my mafia experience.
I understand that you think that, but that's just how I play the game, for the reasons I gave when I addressed this in a prior statement. On that note, I do reference prior statements. You were just unwilling/unable to find said posts. I've had a rough week and very little sleep, been working 12-hour shifts that end at 7 in the morning, didn't get back from DC 'til 7 in the morning on Saturday because I went the wrong way and ended up in Maryland. So if I don't want to find the posts I'm referring to, pardon me if I seem a bit irritable when asked to A. tell you which posts they were, and B. have to repeat myself. As I've already made it quite evident, I have no contention with finding YOUR posts that I intend to reference, so I'm not asking something of you I'm not willing to do, myself. It's just obnoxious. I don't even know why I'm still up and posting right now, I have to get up at 8 to go to court in the morning and afshsdgl;sajdf I haven't slept decently in a year and a half. I should probably start trying to do that.
PF, I can see. Manders, probably not. Reya, I'm kind of up in the air right now about Reya based on recent posts and the second vote on SP. Yes, Reya said it was accidental, but I'm watching him. Would you like me to analyze Reya's posts? You haven't made too much of a case on anyone, IIRC, aside from pinkfloyd, which consisted of "you are not productive". Maybe that's the not sleep robbing me of my memory of your posts. I'll re-read after I post this. But my offer to do a PBPA of Reya still stands. On that note, however, I am wary of your scum choices because I'm not liking your alignment in my eyes, currently.
Because it's scummy.
Then I guess that makes me a scummy player when I'm town. Apples and oranges.
10-4.
"Hey, let me point out that I think Iso might not want to lose his ability, and we'll see how he reacts oh he doesn't want to lose it hmm"
^ Because wanting to help town is such a scum tell.
I addressed that in a previous post where I re-read one of Manders's statements and I realized she couldn't possibly have that ability after I thought she did. But yeah, Manders already essentially clarified that. Also, I'm not claiming anything, why do you think I'm claiming? o-O Does it have to do with the fact that, as Roja kindly pointed out, I DO NOT WANT TO LOSE MY ABILITY YET?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
(1) Do you think Roja is scum?
(2) Please say nothing else about your role and just hope you don't die tonight.
(1) It's a heavy consideration. I think Roja is scummy. But it's not quite to the point of where I think he's scum just yet.
(2) Was planning on saying nothing else about it.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Well good then.
Well good then.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I've made lists, pressured people and even made claims. Just because over the last 2 or 3 pages I've made a couple of irrelevant posts doesn't mean I'm posting complete nonsense.
ROJA, QUICK, LOOK, I FOUND A NONSENSE POST, KILL THIS SCUM NOW!!
p.s., that was sarcasm
LOL
LOL
Yeah...Imma /barn this because you should NEVER reveal role info unless absolutely necessary.
[QUOTE=Seppel;/comments/10778429]I don't see anything wrong with The_Doctor, and the strikethroughs are, as far as I can tell, points he has received answers to, with an updated point/request following it./QUOTE]
So did you not like my points about him? Did you just not agree with them or what?
Either The_Doctor will respond to this properly and be aggravated that he has to reply, or he'll do something else. Your arguments haven't compelled me into thinking he's scum and I don't expect The_Doctor's response to compel me either.
In summation, it's null because of how bad it is.