I meant, what would be your action in the game thread if such was the case. Because your statement was tentative, asking someone else to fill it the blank. Spinned another way, it could be seen as fishing. Were you?
I feel that majority of town got abilities that require activation and that them attempting to do it without mentioning it was very town like. I wasn't asking what there ability is.
So your concerns were people with low posts, to the extent of naming them, even with the excitement happening all around?
Being scum and sitting back watching everyone bicker and destroy each other seems like a viable tactic. So yes, I was concerned with little posts and just little activity in general.
So you relied on the assumption that Seppel is town. Then you relied on the assumption that when Seppel said Iso is town, Seppel was correct. Meaning you relied on the assumption that Iso is town. And you stated all of that with confidence.
That's a lot of assumption to rely on, for essentially a player with no prior knowledge of any other players' alignment.
I've never been more sure about another's alignment than I am of Seppel's. So, no, not assumptions.
That's enough at that stage of the game. I divined a scum mindset in making that sort of posts. But I see that you don't see it.
No, I don't.
And the summary of those reasons are? Because all I see was a wall of text addressing multiple people. Seemed more like a defense of Iso than an analysis of Iso's posts to prove his town mindset.
He's scumhunting, seems quite sincere when talking about not outing information to the scum, and is showing a lot of noob town tells. Add to that his 303, and he is just under Seppel in the "Manders is convinced these guys are town" list.
You are attributing real life behavior to mafia playstyle then? I hope I don't have to explain how erroneous or disastrous that could be.
No. Seppel has a lot of EXPERIENCE with Iso in Mafia and Werewolf (RL Mafia for any who don't know).
Case in point, I don't see a Cyan in real life acting like a Cyan in a mafia game.
He's not basing his opinions on how Iso is IRL, and neither am I.
Because as I typed that post, I dryly thought of people offering their own votes to Seppel instead of playing the game on their own.
Who was doing that? Or you just thought of that possibility?
Indeed. A bad wagon forced to L-2 by Seppel. Scummy, yes?
Yet I see a contradiction in the way you seemingly harped on Seppel's towniness. You aren't by any chance just picked and sliced out the points to support different arguments?
Done by Seppel, no, that's not that scummy. You and I both know that's something he'd do as town just to gauge reactions, and not just from the one he voted, but from others as well.
Apparently your definition of wagon is different than mine. Mine was a significant number of players voting another player. Three votes in this game is good enough for a wagon. Was yours a number of players enough to force a L-2 on another player?
Huh? I'm not understanding what you're asking me.
In that statement, we were talking about the 1 vote on Silent_Prophet.
I can see where you are coming from in that. But I am thinking you are giving it a far greater weight as compared to me.
Oh? And how do you see a scum player thinking that possibility?
I was voting for Loran but I voted a LONG time ago and forgot I had voted until now.
Also, making that list and looking back at posts pretty much chainged my mind on who I want gone first.
Well, the list was more well thought out than I thought it would be, so I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt for now. I'm watching you, though.
And that, in your opinion, would not have been enough to sway Loran from his belief Iso is scum?
I think Loran is mad that he can't attack Iso anymore.
Like when you're playing a basic and you're scum and there's 8 players left alive and you've got all this evidence against someone and then he goes and says "Well I'm guessing there's 5 scum left in the game so I don't think we can win the game anyway."
Who, Pinkfloyd? I thought we were talking about Manders.
You know who I"m talking about. Why did you vote someone if their actions WERE NOT SCUMMY?!
(Also PinkFloyd's responses to pressure don't seem legit at all).
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I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
And here's the FREAKING MORONS ALLOWING THIS BALONEY* TO CONTINUE. Well just one moron atm, but there are two others who will chime in and waste the game's time.
*Insert Proper Swear Word here
Tanarin is town for the reasons previously described in post 332, which Seppel IGNORED (and so did Manders incidentally, but well, it's nice to see how people only complain about others not reading when it suits them).
Here it is for you again:
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Tanarin.
Why is Tanarin scum? The main point raised is "fishing for monikers." Manders has raised "vote on Iso."
But the key point is that no one seems to understand, other than Dagger and maybe The Doctor, how Tanarin started this game.
Post 6 - Admits having some drawback. Suggests skipping Random Vote Stage due to drawbacks. Proposes Moniker claim, noting that they have no bearing on the game. Post 19 - Reiterates RVS point and admits (after ? from Dagger) his role having to do with monikers. Post 25 - Thinks everyone has a vote limitation. Asks about monikor/drawback claim. Post 26 - Claims his drawback. Post 34 - Tries to insist that moniker claims will benefit us, though can see not claiming drawbacks. Post 35 - Insists people don't random vote due to danger of drawbacks. Post 45 - Admits after ? from Iso that his trigger has to do with monikers.
So here's the key here: Fishing can be scummy (Scum tells got their reputation from early tells). But this isn't fishing here by Tanarin. This is a player who's giving away free information.
Giving away role info is bad play. But it's also TOWN play - scum players are shifty, hiding info, and more calculating (so less likely to accidentally reveal things).
More importantly is HOW Tanarin gives away information. He's at first trying to hide it...but as he's questioned, he openly gives away more and more. This is completely inconsistent with a scum mindset here - scum will hide info (naturally) or give it all away at once. They're less indecisive about their plans (they can be about other things, but plans like this - claims for example, not so much).
(Classic example: In two games as town I've done an action - a vig in one, a day roleblock in another - which I've claimed to know little about - or that I know something but am not directly responsible for it - and then opted to come clear with it after further questioning made it clear it would distract the town from more relevant issues).
This is super ridiculously town here - I've never seen something comparable by scum for a reason - it doesn't fit the scum mindset. Scum are calculating, deceptive, and trying to win regardless of others. That doesn't fit here - Tanarin's acting openly when pressed instantly, not calculating, and is multiple times worrying about others (Random Vote Stage)
There's also the fact he assumes everyone has vote restrictions. Well with only 3 claimed as such, and unlikely for there to be others, this is something he is less likely to say as scum since he presumably KNOWS what the scum's restrictions ARE.
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Now Manders here is voting secondly due to a vote (and not really for the fishing). But the key here is that people vote oddly. This is not to say that votes can't be scummy - certainly they can be. But a single vote, 4th on a wagon, doesn't necessarily mean scum. Nor does his odd explanation (liking Doctor's reason but not enough for a vote, but fearmongering?).
It's odd and curious to be sure. But it's not enough to overwhelm the huge town tell he gives off in his first few posts.
Tanarin is town. Super town.
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So because I think kill-joy is the most town it makes my response to pressure false?
Oh man
No, this is false:
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Overall solid posts, seems to be hunting and isn't jumping to conclusions.
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Manders, mind explaining how it's wrong? Explain to me how those posts are consistent with a scum mindset.
And, I won't take back that remark. You're a freaking enabler of awful play. It needs to frakking stop.
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I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
And I already responded to why the Tanarin thing is bullcrap.
Where? Your only posts after that were to ignore me and vote me for unvoting Iso , only to unvote later, and never to address the point.
WHY IS IT BULLCRAP, SEPPEL?
EXPLANATIONS, FOR ONCE.
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I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
Ummm my post was explaining how your claims against Tanarin were totally wrong due to completely ignoring the context of the alleged fishing.
Your response is to....point again to your claims that I was responding to in the first place?
That's called IGNORING THE POST ENTIRELY, once again.
Seriously people, why are you condoning this type of action? It's anti-town for sure. Whether it's scummy or not could be debated (anti-town =//= scum) but the fact that certain people have just ignored Seppel doing this (while he accuses others of ignoring posts no less), is just ridiculous.
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@Seppel: I know I did not ask this before, but how is a rolecop inherently scummy? Not only that, you AUTOMATICALLY assume I am a rolecop based on my asking for monikers. You also say I am implying that I assume that only town have handicaps. Show me HOW I am implying such.
You err badly if you think town will automatically avoid other towns and attacks only scums.
I never implied I felt that. My point was that when such a HUGE CASE is made against me when I know I am town (especially with a 180 flip like loran did), it reeks of scum to me.
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@Seppel: I know I did not ask this before, but how is a rolecop inherently scummy? Not only that, you AUTOMATICALLY assume I am a rolecop based on my asking for monikers. You also say I am implying that I assume that only town have handicaps. Show me HOW I am implying such.
Oh welcome back.
Rolecop almost always helps scum more than town. Feel free to count the frequency of town rolecops in games on this site.
Rolecop is the first thing I think of, and because you're getting so concerned about it, I'm probably right that you're a rolecop.
Oh really now? Are you implying that scum just happen to not have amnesia as well when the flavor heavily SUGGESTS that they do as well sans the fact they know what team they are on? Seems like Miss Seppel knows something the rest of us don't.
You're the one that accused Seppel of saying only town had handicaps (as amnesia would be considered a handicap.)
I answered all of your questions, feel free to review my posts and address that which you feel I did not sufficiently answer.
I know you answered I just feel many of them weren't answered sufficiently. I'll go hunt for them.
Why do you assume Reya's ability will help the town at night?
I'm assuming that there is only 1 mafia player with a night ability, and that the way Reya has been posting he is town. That combined with the ability unlocked, I feel Reya's best interests are towards town.
Iso, don't freak, you are far away from my most scummy, I want Tanarin gone then Loran. After that amount of time I will look at your actions in game and judge if I think its scummy.
For starters, Killjoy at the top. It seems more like you're trying to please your accuser (Seppel) than actually give a response.
Err... I'm slightly confused on how putting me as most town is an attempt to please Seppel. The closest he's come to calling me town is saying I was being proactive at one point.
The rest of the game there was 'something off' about me.
I'm thinking I'm not quite on top of her Townie list. I'm thinking neutral at best, based on what I've read.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Mod can we get prods of Roja, Dagger, Reya, SP, Tanarin, and the Doctor? I know some are posting content or are catching up, but this is ridiculous where half the playerbase basically isn't around but for once every 36 hours, making the game impossible to go forward.
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You totally draw attention to yourself in 60, then in 66 you say it's no big deal.. Yea ok sure, I TOTALLY believe you.
It's called barning. The additional reasons are just for me. I don't expect anyone else to just say "Oh, ok. I'll believe it, too"
See Barning is where you agree with someone for what they said.
Seppel being Iso's brother isn't something you can barn. Unless you are their sister that is. And you are right I dont expect anyone to say "I beleive it too." But you didn't give ANY of us a real reason on why you think that way..
Because I have to constantly repeat myself to people like you and loran and it gets tiring having to look over what I have and haven't already said and why would I want to KEEP TYPING THE SAME THINGS MULTIPLE TIMES?
You could just go on a temper tantrum and NOT defend yourself. How hard is it to go back to what you wrote and say "Hey check out post ###?"
That's not fishing. That's saying, "Hey guys, let's think before we do something really ****ing stupid." It was pretty vague as to whether or not removal of amnesia triggers would provide more handicaps (assuming we had a somewhat useful ability to begin with) or actually increase town power. Pardon me for not jumping on a chance to possibly decrease my ability to hunt scum.
Huh? I see you wanting to "think before doing stuff" but you then go right ahead into guessing about what we should do. Which I take it as fishing for info. (To see how other people will react to your comments that is..)
What information did I give away?
Why is it such a problem that I wanted to know what other players are thinking if I'm unsure of what direction I should take next or if there's something I possibly missed?[/quote]
Well that you clearly have an ability you are scared to lose to your monkier.
But you cant go ahead and say EVERYONE STOP SAYING WHAT ROLE YOU HAVE. The post after you just gave away something about your role.
Uhh, because I am/was being accused of being scum, so once again, why would I want to create more effort for myself? Why not just pre-empt what someone is going to attack me with? Is that not self-evident?
I never had to resort to setting up arguments in advance to win the game as a townie. I see this type of thinking as extremely scummy. Can you not agree with me there? That someone who is self aware of cases against them is setting up defenses incase they are attacked.
#241, #250, #254.
Apparently you didn't look hard enough, I found it in about 5 minutes.
241- Your answer to after calling The_Doctor TOWNIE with his all of two posts. Your reasoning here for doing so I don't understand. So your "attack" on Loran I don't see valid.
250- "tl;dr: Anyone who makes so much of an effort against me when I know I'm town and presented the facts already is scum in my eyes."
Your statement here is why I think you are scum.
"The case I just presented, congratulations, you just showed that you're not actually reading my posts all the way through and clearly just want to lynch me. Which is really scummy."
Your "attack" on Loran here I do not see. Loran is about one of the only people I see here who has been keeping up with everything. And guess what if you are scum why exactly does he need to listen to you?
OH HEY now there ya go you started *****ing at the beginning but if ONLY took you about 5 min. See that wasen't so hard.
254- More on how Loran isn't reading your OBV town. Which like I said, I dont see it either.
Iso is scum. I cant vote so you people need to get your act together and realize this.
Yeah, the search function craps out a lot. That's why I don't use it. But you can still find all my posts easily.
Go to the main Mafia page. Click on the link that is the number of posts in the thread. A pop-up will appear with each member that has posted in it with the number of posts they've made. Click on the number of posts I've made. Voila. Every post I've made.
Any real reason why not link what you were asking? I find it funny thats all. I mean if you can find your posts and he can't..
Mod can we get prods of Roja, Dagger, Reya, SP, Tanarin, and the Doctor? I know some are posting content or are catching up, but this is ridiculous where half the playerbase basically isn't around but for once every 36 hours, making the game impossible to go forward.
Ok so I'm 48 hours in posting.. sorry I am trying to get here. I am doing what I can.
Go back to voting for Iso. Or Reya or even Manders. I think right there is a great place to start.
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I'm assuming that there is only 1 mafia player with a night ability, and that the way Reya has been posting he is town. That combined with the ability unlocked, I feel Reya's best interests are towards town.
Again, why would you assume that? We don't know what anyone else's abilities are, and being that each of us has an amnesia trigger that activates some kind of ability, it would seem logical to me that the scum would have some kind of compensation for that. It's not safe at all to assume that the scum only have one ability, given the premise of this entire game. I really don't like this answer.
You could just go on a temper tantrum and NOT defend yourself. How hard is it to go back to what you wrote and say "Hey check out post ###?"
Why would I go on a temper tantrum and not defend myself? That seems like a good way to get lynched to me. As for referencing posts, when I am asked to constantly do it and the person accusing me isn't even bothering going through the process of finding what it is that they're referring to (which will also help me clarify what I mean so I don't misunderstand what parts of what I said they are talking about), it becomes a hassle, and is just a major inconvenience and annoyance for me.
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Huh? I see you wanting to "think before doing stuff" but you then go right ahead into guessing about what we should do. Which I take it as fishing for info. (To see how other people will react to your comments that is..)
Wait, so you're accusing me of fishing because I wanted more experienced players' opinions on what direction we should possibly take next in the game?
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Well that you clearly have an ability you are scared to lose to your monkier.
But you cant go ahead and say EVERYONE STOP SAYING WHAT ROLE YOU HAVE. The post after you just gave away something about your role.
Uhh, my reasoning for not wanting everyone to state their monikers was because Tanarin's amnesia trigger is dependent on it. And frankly, Tanarin is looking very scummy to me. Pay attention to the game. FOS Roja
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I never had to resort to setting up arguments in advance to win the game as a townie. I see this type of thinking as extremely scummy. Can you not agree with me there? That someone who is self aware of cases against them is setting up defenses incase they are attacked.
"Your style of debate is different from mine. That's scummy."
^ I'm not quite seeing how you're getting this from the way I play the game. I've always been taught that to create an effective argument that you shut down your opposition before they have a chance to launch an offensive. If I include details of what I feel you're going to attempt to refute what I have to say with, then that makes it more difficult for you to paint me as scum through a misinterpretation of what I mean when I say something. Being thorough =/= being scummy. It saves me the time and effort of having to quote yet another post and offer another clarification of what I meant when I simply could have addressed it to begin with. If you don't agree with my playstyle, fine. But to call me scummy because I prefer apples to oranges is ridiculous.
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241- Your answer to after calling The_Doctor TOWNIE with his all of two posts. Your reasoning here for doing so I don't understand. So your "attack" on Loran I don't see valid.
You don't have to see it as valid, you don't have a vote, so I don't exactly feel the need to convince you as strongly of what I believe in this game as much as I would need to convince someone with one. Not to say you aren't going to be useful in scumhunting. You're just not going to be able to aid in lynching. So instead of focusing on the way I've always addressed accusations (being prior to them occurring), why don't you focus on finding scum and convincing me and the other townies of their scumminess?
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250- "tl;dr: Anyone who makes so much of an effort against me when I know I'm town and presented the facts already is scum in my eyes."
Your statement here is why I think you are scum.
That's pretty weak reasoning.
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"The case I just presented, congratulations, you just showed that you're not actually reading my posts all the way through and clearly just want to lynch me. Which is really scummy."
Your "attack" on Loran here I do not see. Loran is about one of the only people I see here who has been keeping up with everything. And guess what if you are scum why exactly does he need to listen to you?
Uhh, so what you're saying is, "You're scum, he doesn't need to read what you're saying,"? There are so many things wrong with this statement that I don't even know where to begin. The first and foremost being that I'm not scum. loran was selectively reading what he wanted to read and not addressing ALL of the issues that needed to be addressed, attempting to paint me as scum with the little snippets he opted to acknowledge, which strikes me as rather scummy. WHICH, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, YOU ARE DOING AS WELL. SEE ABOVE WHERE I ADDRESSED WHAT I SAID ABOUT MONIKERS. And you're doing an awfully good job of buddying up with him, very strongly noted.
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OH HEY now there ya go you started *****ing at the beginning but if ONLY took you about 5 min. See that wasen't so hard.
If it was so easy to do, why couldn't you have done it yourself? Don't patronize me.
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This is actually a great question from Iso. I cannot wait to see the answer.
He already answered. And personally, I don't like his answer.
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1) But by that logic, you are suggesting I'm calling EVERYBODY on the wagon opportunistic, and as you stated, it's unlikely that we have more than 3 scum until indicated otherwise. So at least one person on that wagon cannot be scum.
2) Mafia is a game of psychological warfare. If I wish to discredit the people discrediting me through my diction, then let me do that, as that's how I play.
"1) Yes, that is what I'm suggesting. You call the wagon opportunistic. It is logical to extrapolate that statement to mean the people that have voted on the wagon were being opportunistic.
2) You aren't going to discredit someone through the use of verbiage. That must be done through proof."
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I do apologize for that, I skimmed your posts, saw what I liked, was more focused on posting my own posts to get what I wanted to say out, and just must have completely missed your question. I may have intended to answer it later on but simply forgot. Has it been sufficiently answered now?
"Sufficiently answered? More or less. I don't completely trust your answer, but there's no further road down this line of questioning."
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UNVOTE VOTE: PINKFLOYD
"Isn't that fascinating. Why do you feel pinkfloyd is a better lynch target than Tanarin?"
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And what part of that tiny statement of mine would you have recommended I use to utilize the search function? Hmm? Cause I tried and couldn't find ****. I ended up going back and looking at each page to find it. Know how far I had to go back? 4 pages @ 50ppp. That's ridiculous. You could have just said what it was for.
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No, I'm flat out saying it.
"Everyone please note that Manders has explicitly stated that she will only be voting for a player when she is sure that they are scum."
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It either shows that there's scum on the wagon, or that people weren't paying attention to the number of votes on him. Both are detriments to the town.
"Explain to me how scum being on a wagon is equal to a detriment to the town."
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The 3 on the wagon were me, Seppel, and pinkfloyd. Seppel and I are town. Therefore pf is the only one that could be scum.
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Oh, cause I get accused of that a lot. Not thinking for myself and just /barning my friends.
"So you were preemptively defending against it, is that it?"
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Seems like good stuff I just want more stuff from him.
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Manders and kill-joy sitting in a tree?
lolwut?
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@The_Doctor: Iso is acting the exact same way I did in my first games on the site (Star Trek EU, Battle Royale), right down to the part you put in red.
"What part did I put in red? Red text is not in my repertoire."
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Double negatives...
So, you're saying that he's saying that people should out them?
"No, that's not what he said means. Are you purposefully misconstruing what Seppel is trying to say?"
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The majority of my suspicion is due to him not doing jack **** in this game. The avoiding of questions was just the cherry on top.
"Since when does being lazy mean a player is scum? If that's what you really think, I've got at least one other player you should be convinced is scum."
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Very few posts for me to judge either way right now. Maybe later I will get a solid read.
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I just realized my limit in mafia at this point of time. Don't expect much out of me during weekdays, especially if the game thread goes full throttle with a high rate of posting.
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Being scum and sitting back watching everyone bicker and destroy each other seems like a viable tactic. So yes, I was concerned with little posts and just little activity in general.
"Again, I would like to play this game:
Being scum and going after the easy targets (lurker hunting) seems like a viable tactic."
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I've never been more sure about another's alignment than I am of Seppel's. So, no, not assumptions.
"I have no doubts about that."
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I'm assuming that there is only 1 mafia player with a night ability
"Why are you making that assumption?"
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I'm thinking I'm not quite on top of her Townie list. I'm thinking neutral at best, based on what I've read.
"Do you think she's rating your near the top of town or at the best neutral? Those two thoughts don't seem to flow together."
"A bit more of information - Roja is now looking town more now than ever before."
Mod can we get prods of Roja, Dagger, Reya, SP, Tanarin, and the Doctor? I know some are posting content or are catching up, but this is ridiculous where half the playerbase basically isn't around but for once every 36 hours, making the game impossible to go forward.
This is a bit pre-emptive, don't you think? Roja, Dagger, and Tanarin had all posted within 24 hours of you making that statement.
You totally draw attention to yourself in 60, then in 66 you say it's no big deal.. Yea ok sure, I TOTALLY believe you.
Oh. I figured those posts were listed in order, so that's why I didn't realize what you were talking about.
You wanna know what that was about? My trigger is I have to include one question in every post in one game day in order to get my memory back. I ****ed up in post #40, and was mad at myself. The only reason I didn't say it earlier was I was waiting for confirmation from Alpha whether I would still qualify since I caught it and double-posted a question.
See Barning is where you agree with someone for what they said.
Seppel being Iso's brother isn't something you can barn. Unless you are their sister that is. And you are right I dont expect anyone to say "I beleive it too." But you didn't give ANY of us a real reason on why you think that way..
Hah, that'd be pretty sweet, but no, I'm not their sister. Just a good friend, right, guys?
I'm barning Seppel saying Iso is town because Seppel is town. No, I'm not going to try to convince others to do the same. Especially since it's irrelevant since Iso has confirmed himself as town already.
I think it's kinda funny but I think PF is scumy for different reasonings.
Why is it funny and what are your reasons?
Any real reason why not link what you were asking? I find it funny thats all. I mean if you can find your posts and he can't..
I didn't literally do that at that time. I just told him how.
And because I want him to take the initiative to find them. It would go a long way to making me feel better about him.
"Isn't that fascinating. Why do you feel pinkfloyd is a better lynch target than Tanarin?"
They are actually about equal in that aspect. I voted for pinkfloyd there because I was tired of him ignoring my questions.
"Here's a tip for the future: if you feel I've not been clear with the context of my quotes or you don't know where they're coming from, start from my last post and work your way forward. That is how I'm reading/analyzing/posting."
Yeah, sure, whatever.
"Everyone please note that Manders has explicitly stated that she will only be voting for a player when she is sure that they are scum."
Remember it, write it down, take a picture of it, I DON'T GIVE A ****.
"Explain to me how scum being on a wagon is equal to a detriment to the town."
I didn't make myself clear. Scum is a detriment to the town.
Of course, scum being on a wagon on a townie isn't really good for the town, either, so I'm not sure I understand the purpose of this question.
"You'll have to forgive me when I don't take your word on that."
You'll have to forgive me not giving a damn.
So, now that you've got the answer you were waiting for (even though you got it the first time) how was me saying it's because we're town avoiding the question?
"So you were preemptively defending against it, is that it?"
Yup.
"Since when does being lazy mean a player is scum? If that's what you really think, I've got at least one other player you should be convinced is scum."
When he posts, he regurgitates stuff that others have already said as if it's his own original thought. He's not providing anything new to the game. In other words, he's plain sight lurking.
"I have no doubts about that."
And, let me guess. You're convinced I know his alignment because I am scum?
Has it ever crossed your mind that we could have NEUTRALS in the game? At least one?
No, I'm so sure he's town because I'm seeing town tell after town tell from Seppel. We've been in 8 games together. Masons in one. I've learned a few tricks that I have NOT divulged to him, nor do I intend to. (This is why I haven't explained it better than I have because, if I do, it's lost forever. I'd rather be able to read Seppel, tyvm.)
It's cool, though. If a majority wants to lynch me, go for it. When I come up town, maybe you'll believe some of what I've said.
"No need to concern yourself with the question. It's more a note to myself for later."
The fact that you seem to be attempting to subtly implying that me and manders are somehow connected is totally my concern. Why would you connect us if you didn't have some reason?
Do you think Manders is scum?
If so, is that the reason you seem to be trying to connect us?
"No, that's not what he said means. Are you purposefully misconstruing what Seppel is trying to say?"
No. I was saying that double negatives are confusing.
The next sentence is what I thought it meant.
"Do you think she's rating your near the top of town or at the best neutral? Those two thoughts don't seem to flow together."
Err... I'm slightly confused on how putting me as most town is an attempt to please Seppel. The closest he's come to calling me town is saying I was being proactive at one point.
Here I say that I'm confused as to why Loran thinks putting me on top of PF's Town list is going to please Seppel. This is because I didn't get the impression he thought I was Town. "Being proactive" doesn't mean that I'm obvtown to him, so I wanted to know where he got that impression from.
The rest of the game there was 'something off' about me.
Aside from the proactive thing, this is really all he said about me, IIRC. That DEF doesn't mean town.
I'm thinking I'm not quite on top of her Townie list. I'm thinking neutral at best, based on what I've read.
And here's my conclusion. I could understand if Loran thought I was neutral to Seppel. But that wouldn't mean that PF putting me on the top of his town list would appease him at all.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
To start off, I am interested in who Manders is reading as town or scum. Because apparently I noticed she asked that of other people herself by requesting a list.
I'm on my phone, so no quotes here, but in his post where he voted Iso, he started out thinking there was not enough for a lynch or even a vote. Then, he quotes The_Doctor's post which, as Loran pointed out could just be curiosity, and decides that is enough for a vote. It is terrible.
Done by Seppel, no, that's not that scummy. You and I both know that's something he'd do as town just to gauge reactions, and not just from the one he voted, but from others as well.
Indeed. The thing I was troubled on was the way you dismissed it as something Seppel did, but then still used a point in factor to show how in fact Iso's wagon suspiciously reached L-2.
Oh? And how do you see a scum player thinking that possibility?
Unlikely. But thinking and posting it out are two different things. And basing things on a single post is dangerous. I am much more comfortable with judging a player over a series of posts. And I still consider Iso's series of prior posts to be valid in considering the whole picture.
You wanna know what that was about? My trigger is I have to include one question in every post in one game day in order to get my memory back. I ****ed up in post #40, and was mad at myself. The only reason I didn't say it earlier was I was waiting for confirmation from Alpha whether I would still qualify since I caught it and double-posted a question.
To start off, I am interested in who Manders is reading as town or scum. Because apparently I noticed she asked that of other people herself by requesting a list.
Seppel and Iso are town.
You and loran are leaning town
pinkfloyd and Tanarin are scum.
The rest are neutral.
I was remembering this sequence of back-to-back posts.
Well, you see, (at least in my case) agreeing with Seppel is not giving him my vote. Plus, I had my own reason, as I stated at the time.
Indeed. The thing I was troubled on was the way you dismissed it as something Seppel did, but then still used a point in factor to show how in fact Iso's wagon suspiciously reached L-2.
Because it was still a factor in him getting to L-2, regardless of the purpose for the vote.
Unlikely. But thinking and posting it out are two different things. And basing things on a single post is dangerous. I am much more comfortable with judging a player over a series of posts. And I still consider Iso's series of prior posts to be valid in considering the whole picture.
So what do you have to say about loran clearing him solely on that?
I am thinking the following players are town:
1. loran
2. Doctor (I keep thinking Ced, so I am wary of him~)
3. killjoy
4. Seppel
So, what I need is a less clashing of egos and more objective less emotion-fueled arguments from two specific people.
I am thinking the following players are scums, but due to certain posts and behavioral hints, I am reluctant to pursue them at Day 1 since I might very well be wrong in that:
1. Iso
2. Manders
I am thinking the following players are around only to fulfill their triggers and not much else. Much poking and prodding are in line for the future.
1. SP
2. Reya :cookie:bringer
I am thinking Tanarin is not a scum, pending judgment on his claim.
I am thinking I am drawing blank on Roja as of now.
I am thinking PinkFloyd is scummy after reading through this thread. Will try to triangulate on the reasons later.
But Roja can't vote, The_Doctor didn't vote, and Dagger unvoted. Great going, guys.
@Roja: You say Iso is scum, but you also note that he's afraid to lose his ability, and he thinks (thought?) Manders had a crazy broken ability that made her know Iso's alignment.
@Dagger: I don't like your list. (1) You're unwilling to vote Iso or Manders, and you're not voting Pinkfloyd. (2) You think they're all scum. (3) I think they're all town.
@The_Doctor: Well it might not have been you but someone put something in red and that person is wrong about what that person said about the red part. Also you have a total of 6 posts. I know you post more than that and you're simultaneously calling out other people for not posting.
@Dagger: I don't like your list. (1) You're unwilling to vote Iso or Manders, and you're not voting Pinkfloyd. (2) You think they're all scum. (3) I think they're all town.
I am thinking the following players are town:
1. loran
2. Doctor (I keep thinking Ced, so I am wary of him~)
3. killjoy
4. Seppel
So, what I need is a less clashing of egos and more objective less emotion-fueled arguments from two specific people.
lol
You've never said anything about killjoy, I don't think. Why is he there?
I am thinking the following players are scums, but due to certain posts and behavioral hints, I am reluctant to pursue them at Day 1 since I might very well be wrong in that:
1. Iso
2. Manders
Okay.
I am thinking the following players are around only to fulfill their triggers and not much else. Much poking and prodding are in line for the future.
1. SP
2. Reya :cookie:bringer
Why not now?
I am thinking Tanarin is not a scum, pending judgment on his claim.
Pending judgment on what claim? The ones he's already made, or his actual claim?
I am thinking I am drawing blank on Roja as of now.
Okay.
I am thinking PinkFloyd is scummy after reading through this thread. Will try to triangulate on the reasons later.
More like PinkFloyd then. Though, the point stands that when Seppel requested it, he immediately got 2 extra votes, thus giving that impression.
More like pinkfloyd then what?
Except that I had expressed some kind of negative feeling about him before Seppel's vote, (maybe just some questions to him, I can't recall atm) so it wasn't a complete giving Seppel my vote.
I could see where he was coming from though I did not give the same weightage to that post as he did.
Okaaaaayyyyyy, but do you think it's telling in either direction? Why or why not?
But Roja can't vote, The_Doctor didn't vote, and Dagger unvoted. Great going, guys.
@The_Doctor: Well it might not have been you but someone put something in red and that person is wrong about what that person said about the red part. Also you have a total of 6 posts. I know you post more than that and you're simultaneously calling out other people for not posting.
I feel that majority of town got abilities that require activation and that them attempting to do it without mentioning it was very town like. I wasn't asking what there ability is.
Being scum and sitting back watching everyone bicker and destroy each other seems like a viable tactic. So yes, I was concerned with little posts and just little activity in general.
LOL
I've never been more sure about another's alignment than I am of Seppel's. So, no, not assumptions.
No, I don't.
He's scumhunting, seems quite sincere when talking about not outing information to the scum, and is showing a lot of noob town tells. Add to that his 303, and he is just under Seppel in the "Manders is convinced these guys are town" list.
No. Seppel has a lot of EXPERIENCE with Iso in Mafia and Werewolf (RL Mafia for any who don't know).
He's not basing his opinions on how Iso is IRL, and neither am I.
Who was doing that? Or you just thought of that possibility?
Done by Seppel, no, that's not that scummy. You and I both know that's something he'd do as town just to gauge reactions, and not just from the one he voted, but from others as well.
Huh? I'm not understanding what you're asking me.
In that statement, we were talking about the 1 vote on Silent_Prophet.
Oh? And how do you see a scum player thinking that possibility?
Well, the list was more well thought out than I thought it would be, so I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt for now. I'm watching you, though.
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I think Loran is mad that he can't attack Iso anymore.
Like when you're playing a basic and you're scum and there's 8 players left alive and you've got all this evidence against someone and then he goes and says "Well I'm guessing there's 5 scum left in the game so I don't think we can win the game anyway."
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU--
Who, Pinkfloyd? I thought we were talking about Manders.
Re: Pinkfloyd:
His responses to pressure sounded legit.
Psst. Loran doesn't remember I'm a girl.
Mkay.
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Of course, after this game, I bet he will. Hopefully not for the same reason, though.
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You know who I"m talking about. Why did you vote someone if their actions WERE NOT SCUMMY?!
(Also PinkFloyd's responses to pressure don't seem legit at all).
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
Are you really asking that?
Really?
Is it 2008 again?
I voted to get more information because there were things that were bugging me.
Oh babby.
You didn't get ANY information.
Screw it, you're scum. Even you normally aren't this stupid/ignorant.
Flame Infraction.
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Please explain what doesn't seem legit in my response?
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For starters, Killjoy at the top. It seems more like you're trying to please your accuser (Seppel) than actually give a response.
And here's the ignoring again.
And here's the FREAKING MORONS ALLOWING THIS BALONEY* TO CONTINUE. Well just one moron atm, but there are two others who will chime in and waste the game's time.
*Insert Proper Swear Word here
Tanarin is town for the reasons previously described in post 332, which Seppel IGNORED (and so did Manders incidentally, but well, it's nice to see how people only complain about others not reading when it suits them).
Here it is for you again:
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And I am not a moron, nor do I appreciate being called as such, whether directly or indirectly.
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So because I think kill-joy is the most town it makes my response to pressure false?
Oh man
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No, this is false:
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Manders, mind explaining how it's wrong? Explain to me how those posts are consistent with a scum mindset.
And, I won't take back that remark. You're a freaking enabler of awful play. It needs to frakking stop.
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Where? Your only posts after that were to ignore me and vote me for unvoting Iso , only to unvote later, and never to address the point.
WHY IS IT BULLCRAP, SEPPEL?
EXPLANATIONS, FOR ONCE.
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Sure, when I'm feeling up to it. I'm just chilling now, in a little pain.
How am I enabling?
And, even if I am, that still =/= being a moron,
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EXPLANATIONS, FOR TWICE.
Ummm my post was explaining how your claims against Tanarin were totally wrong due to completely ignoring the context of the alleged fishing.
Your response is to....point again to your claims that I was responding to in the first place?
That's called IGNORING THE POST ENTIRELY, once again.
Seriously people, why are you condoning this type of action? It's anti-town for sure. Whether it's scummy or not could be debated (anti-town =//= scum) but the fact that certain people have just ignored Seppel doing this (while he accuses others of ignoring posts no less), is just ridiculous.
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Tanarin (2) - pinkfloyd, Seppel
Iso (1) - Dagger
loran16 (1) - Iso
MandersHex (1) - The_Doctor
Seppel (1) - loran16
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Why do you assume Reya's ability will help the town at night?
I answered all of your questions, feel free to review my posts and address that which you feel I did not sufficiently answer.
I never implied I felt that. My point was that when such a HUGE CASE is made against me when I know I am town (especially with a 180 flip like loran did), it reeks of scum to me.
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Oh welcome back.
Rolecop almost always helps scum more than town. Feel free to count the frequency of town rolecops in games on this site.
Rolecop is the first thing I think of, and because you're getting so concerned about it, I'm probably right that you're a rolecop.
And now it's time to drop a bomb.
DID I?
DID I REALLY?
OH WAIT, I SAID THAT TO SOMEONE ELSE:
But I can see how you would accidentally defend your scumbuddy and think it was yourself.
Lynch please.
How's 'bout another one?
You're the one that accused Seppel of saying only town had handicaps (as amnesia would be considered a handicap.)
You can't even keep your story straight anymore.
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I know you answered I just feel many of them weren't answered sufficiently. I'll go hunt for them.
I'm assuming that there is only 1 mafia player with a night ability, and that the way Reya has been posting he is town. That combined with the ability unlocked, I feel Reya's best interests are towards town.
Iso, don't freak, you are far away from my most scummy, I want Tanarin gone then Loran. After that amount of time I will look at your actions in game and judge if I think its scummy.
LOL
The rest of the game there was 'something off' about me.
I'm thinking I'm not quite on top of her Townie list. I'm thinking neutral at best, based on what I've read.
I still think there was something off about that whole triggering thing.
But a good point you're raising here. I haven't put much thought into what our abilities will be post-trigger.
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
Your comments made to him in 304. (When you are defending Iso.) Almost all have negative reasonings on Loran.
Now ya done it. Time to links and quotes ><
60 - "Oh, and also. I'm super mad at myself.
That is all."
66 - "You'll find out in due time. It's no big."
You totally draw attention to yourself in 60, then in 66 you say it's no big deal.. Yea ok sure, I TOTALLY believe you.
See Barning is where you agree with someone for what they said.
Seppel being Iso's brother isn't something you can barn. Unless you are their sister that is. And you are right I dont expect anyone to say "I beleive it too." But you didn't give ANY of us a real reason on why you think that way..
You could just go on a temper tantrum and NOT defend yourself. How hard is it to go back to what you wrote and say "Hey check out post ###?"
Huh? I see you wanting to "think before doing stuff" but you then go right ahead into guessing about what we should do. Which I take it as fishing for info. (To see how other people will react to your comments that is..)
Why is it such a problem that I wanted to know what other players are thinking if I'm unsure of what direction I should take next or if there's something I possibly missed?[/quote]
Well that you clearly have an ability you are scared to lose to your monkier.
But you cant go ahead and say EVERYONE STOP SAYING WHAT ROLE YOU HAVE. The post after you just gave away something about your role.
I never had to resort to setting up arguments in advance to win the game as a townie. I see this type of thinking as extremely scummy. Can you not agree with me there? That someone who is self aware of cases against them is setting up defenses incase they are attacked.
241- Your answer to after calling The_Doctor TOWNIE with his all of two posts. Your reasoning here for doing so I don't understand. So your "attack" on Loran I don't see valid.
250- "tl;dr: Anyone who makes so much of an effort against me when I know I'm town and presented the facts already is scum in my eyes."
Your statement here is why I think you are scum.
"The case I just presented, congratulations, you just showed that you're not actually reading my posts all the way through and clearly just want to lynch me. Which is really scummy."
Your "attack" on Loran here I do not see. Loran is about one of the only people I see here who has been keeping up with everything. And guess what if you are scum why exactly does he need to listen to you?
OH HEY now there ya go you started *****ing at the beginning but if ONLY took you about 5 min. See that wasen't so hard.
254- More on how Loran isn't reading your OBV town. Which like I said, I dont see it either.
Iso is scum. I cant vote so you people need to get your act together and realize this.
I think it's kinda funny but I think PF is scumy for different reasonings.
Any real reason why not link what you were asking? I find it funny thats all. I mean if you can find your posts and he can't..
This is actually a great question from Iso. I cannot wait to see the answer.
Ok so I'm 48 hours in posting.. sorry I am trying to get here. I am doing what I can.
Go back to voting for Iso. Or Reya or even Manders. I think right there is a great place to start.
Aight.
Again, why would you assume that? We don't know what anyone else's abilities are, and being that each of us has an amnesia trigger that activates some kind of ability, it would seem logical to me that the scum would have some kind of compensation for that. It's not safe at all to assume that the scum only have one ability, given the premise of this entire game. I really don't like this answer.
Why would I go on a temper tantrum and not defend myself? That seems like a good way to get lynched to me. As for referencing posts, when I am asked to constantly do it and the person accusing me isn't even bothering going through the process of finding what it is that they're referring to (which will also help me clarify what I mean so I don't misunderstand what parts of what I said they are talking about), it becomes a hassle, and is just a major inconvenience and annoyance for me.
Wait, so you're accusing me of fishing because I wanted more experienced players' opinions on what direction we should possibly take next in the game?
Uhh, my reasoning for not wanting everyone to state their monikers was because Tanarin's amnesia trigger is dependent on it. And frankly, Tanarin is looking very scummy to me. Pay attention to the game. FOS Roja
"Your style of debate is different from mine. That's scummy."
^ I'm not quite seeing how you're getting this from the way I play the game. I've always been taught that to create an effective argument that you shut down your opposition before they have a chance to launch an offensive. If I include details of what I feel you're going to attempt to refute what I have to say with, then that makes it more difficult for you to paint me as scum through a misinterpretation of what I mean when I say something. Being thorough =/= being scummy. It saves me the time and effort of having to quote yet another post and offer another clarification of what I meant when I simply could have addressed it to begin with. If you don't agree with my playstyle, fine. But to call me scummy because I prefer apples to oranges is ridiculous.
You don't have to see it as valid, you don't have a vote, so I don't exactly feel the need to convince you as strongly of what I believe in this game as much as I would need to convince someone with one. Not to say you aren't going to be useful in scumhunting. You're just not going to be able to aid in lynching. So instead of focusing on the way I've always addressed accusations (being prior to them occurring), why don't you focus on finding scum and convincing me and the other townies of their scumminess?
That's pretty weak reasoning.
Uhh, so what you're saying is, "You're scum, he doesn't need to read what you're saying,"? There are so many things wrong with this statement that I don't even know where to begin. The first and foremost being that I'm not scum. loran was selectively reading what he wanted to read and not addressing ALL of the issues that needed to be addressed, attempting to paint me as scum with the little snippets he opted to acknowledge, which strikes me as rather scummy. WHICH, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, YOU ARE DOING AS WELL. SEE ABOVE WHERE I ADDRESSED WHAT I SAID ABOUT MONIKERS. And you're doing an awfully good job of buddying up with him, very strongly noted.
If it was so easy to do, why couldn't you have done it yourself? Don't patronize me.
He already answered. And personally, I don't like his answer.
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"1) Yes, that is what I'm suggesting. You call the wagon opportunistic. It is logical to extrapolate that statement to mean the people that have voted on the wagon were being opportunistic.
2) You aren't going to discredit someone through the use of verbiage. That must be done through proof."
"Sufficiently answered? More or less. I don't completely trust your answer, but there's no further road down this line of questioning."
"Isn't that fascinating. Why do you feel pinkfloyd is a better lynch target than Tanarin?"
"Here's a tip for the future: if you feel I've not been clear with the context of my quotes or you don't know where they're coming from, start from my last post and work your way forward. That is how I'm reading/analyzing/posting."
"Everyone please note that Manders has explicitly stated that she will only be voting for a player when she is sure that they are scum."
"Explain to me how scum being on a wagon is equal to a detriment to the town."
"You'll have to forgive me when I don't take your word on that."
"So you were preemptively defending against it, is that it?"
"Please define wanting more stuff from me. I'm giving you all I've got(, cap'n)."
"Still looking forward to that list."
"No need to concern yourself with the question. It's more a note to myself for later."
"What part did I put in red? Red text is not in my repertoire."
"No, that's not what he said means. Are you purposefully misconstruing what Seppel is trying to say?"
"Since when does being lazy mean a player is scum? If that's what you really think, I've got at least one other player you should be convinced is scum."
"So you need a lot of posts to judge a read on a player? What's the difference between needing a lot of content and needing a lot of posts? I am a high-content, low post-count player."
"I could say the same about myself except switch out weekends for weekdays."
"Again, I would like to play this game:
Being scum and going after the easy targets (lurker hunting) seems like a viable tactic."
"I have no doubts about that."
"Why are you making that assumption?"
"Do you think she's rating your near the top of town or at the best neutral? Those two thoughts don't seem to flow together."
"A bit more of information - Roja is now looking town more now than ever before."
This is a bit pre-emptive, don't you think? Roja, Dagger, and Tanarin had all posted within 24 hours of you making that statement.
You need to have some patience, man.
And how does that equal an attack?
Oh. I figured those posts were listed in order, so that's why I didn't realize what you were talking about.
You wanna know what that was about? My trigger is I have to include one question in every post in one game day in order to get my memory back. I ****ed up in post #40, and was mad at myself. The only reason I didn't say it earlier was I was waiting for confirmation from Alpha whether I would still qualify since I caught it and double-posted a question.
Hah, that'd be pretty sweet, but no, I'm not their sister. Just a good friend, right, guys?
I'm barning Seppel saying Iso is town because Seppel is town. No, I'm not going to try to convince others to do the same. Especially since it's irrelevant since Iso has confirmed himself as town already.
Why is it funny and what are your reasons?
I didn't literally do that at that time. I just told him how.
And because I want him to take the initiative to find them. It would go a long way to making me feel better about him.
They are actually about equal in that aspect. I voted for pinkfloyd there because I was tired of him ignoring my questions.
Yeah, sure, whatever.
Remember it, write it down, take a picture of it, I DON'T GIVE A ****.
I didn't make myself clear. Scum is a detriment to the town.
Of course, scum being on a wagon on a townie isn't really good for the town, either, so I'm not sure I understand the purpose of this question.
You'll have to forgive me not giving a damn.
So, now that you've got the answer you were waiting for (even though you got it the first time) how was me saying it's because we're town avoiding the question?
Yup.
When he posts, he regurgitates stuff that others have already said as if it's his own original thought. He's not providing anything new to the game. In other words, he's plain sight lurking.
And, let me guess. You're convinced I know his alignment because I am scum?
Has it ever crossed your mind that we could have NEUTRALS in the game? At least one?
No, I'm so sure he's town because I'm seeing town tell after town tell from Seppel. We've been in 8 games together. Masons in one. I've learned a few tricks that I have NOT divulged to him, nor do I intend to. (This is why I haven't explained it better than I have because, if I do, it's lost forever. I'd rather be able to read Seppel, tyvm.)
It's cool, though. If a majority wants to lynch me, go for it. When I come up town, maybe you'll believe some of what I've said.
Doubtful, though.
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The fact that you seem to be attempting to subtly implying that me and manders are somehow connected is totally my concern. Why would you connect us if you didn't have some reason?
Do you think Manders is scum?
If so, is that the reason you seem to be trying to connect us?
No. I was saying that double negatives are confusing.
The next sentence is what I thought it meant.
No they don't.
Here I say that I'm confused as to why Loran thinks putting me on top of PF's Town list is going to please Seppel. This is because I didn't get the impression he thought I was Town. "Being proactive" doesn't mean that I'm obvtown to him, so I wanted to know where he got that impression from.
Aside from the proactive thing, this is really all he said about me, IIRC. That DEF doesn't mean town.
And here's my conclusion. I could understand if Loran thought I was neutral to Seppel. But that wouldn't mean that PF putting me on the top of his town list would appease him at all.
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He seems to be implying it quite a bit though.
What's your take on that whole "Sitting in a tree" thing?
Which, now that I think about it, is totally breadcrumbing. He's setting up for something.
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To start off, I am interested in who Manders is reading as town or scum. Because apparently I noticed she asked that of other people herself by requesting a list.
I was remembering this sequence of back-to-back posts.
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Indeed. The thing I was troubled on was the way you dismissed it as something Seppel did, but then still used a point in factor to show how in fact Iso's wagon suspiciously reached L-2.
Unlikely. But thinking and posting it out are two different things. And basing things on a single post is dangerous. I am much more comfortable with judging a player over a series of posts. And I still consider Iso's series of prior posts to be valid in considering the whole picture.
Say "Why?" at the beginning of every post.
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Seppel and Iso are town.
You and loran are leaning town
pinkfloyd and Tanarin are scum.
The rest are neutral.
Well, you see, (at least in my case) agreeing with Seppel is not giving him my vote. Plus, I had my own reason, as I stated at the time.
Because it was still a factor in him getting to L-2, regardless of the purpose for the vote.
So what do you have to say about loran clearing him solely on that?
I have a much funnier plan for D2.
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I am thinking the following players are town:
1. loran
2. Doctor (I keep thinking Ced, so I am wary of him~)
3. killjoy
4. Seppel
So, what I need is a less clashing of egos and more objective less emotion-fueled arguments from two specific people.
I am thinking the following players are scums, but due to certain posts and behavioral hints, I am reluctant to pursue them at Day 1 since I might very well be wrong in that:
1. Iso
2. Manders
I am thinking the following players are around only to fulfill their triggers and not much else. Much poking and prodding are in line for the future.
1. SP
2. Reya :cookie:bringer
I am thinking Tanarin is not a scum, pending judgment on his claim.
I am thinking I am drawing blank on Roja as of now.
I am thinking PinkFloyd is scummy after reading through this thread. Will try to triangulate on the reasons later.
Unvote for now.
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More like PinkFloyd then. Though, the point stands that when Seppel requested it, he immediately got 2 extra votes, thus giving that impression.
I could see where he was coming from though I did not give the same weightage to that post as he did.
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But Roja can't vote, The_Doctor didn't vote, and Dagger unvoted. Great going, guys.
@Roja: You say Iso is scum, but you also note that he's afraid to lose his ability, and he thinks (thought?) Manders had a crazy broken ability that made her know Iso's alignment.
@Dagger: I don't like your list. (1) You're unwilling to vote Iso or Manders, and you're not voting Pinkfloyd. (2) You think they're all scum. (3) I think they're all town.
@The_Doctor: Well it might not have been you but someone put something in red and that person is wrong about what that person said about the red part. Also you have a total of 6 posts. I know you post more than that and you're simultaneously calling out other people for not posting.
Wanna see what I think?
Okay.
lol
You've never said anything about killjoy, I don't think. Why is he there?
Okay.
Why not now?
Pending judgment on what claim? The ones he's already made, or his actual claim?
Okay.
I look forward to this.
For now? Hmm.
More like pinkfloyd then what?
Except that I had expressed some kind of negative feeling about him before Seppel's vote, (maybe just some questions to him, I can't recall atm) so it wasn't a complete giving Seppel my vote.
Okaaaaayyyyyy, but do you think it's telling in either direction? Why or why not?
You're being weird, Dagger. IGMEOY.
/barn and funny, lol
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I find this funny too. I would love to know why?
LOL
I need to think.
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